Spread's Dead, Baby. Spread's Dead...

It's a chopper, baby, not a chop-block...
You don't know how pleased I was to see us line up with two backs and two tight ends to start the game Thursday night. I thought for just a second that we were really going to make an attempt to revert back to the basics of power football. I jumped for joy when Kodi lined up under center in that first drive and we then proceeded to not only run the ball, but throw in a few passes--to the tight end of all people. Brilliant! Granted, that first drive stalled after three straight running plays up the middle. Why not try and run at least one to the outside? Okay, fine. We took the three points. An impressive drive for us, all things considered.
But there was more to come, after Pat White threw his 2nd pick. Another impressive drive, this time capped off with a TD--from a screen pass, no less. I thought we forgot how to throw those. Did we even manage one against Arkansas? And more rushes to the outside--with pulling linemen, too. Couple that with another blocker from the backfield and the runner has time to wait for his blocks to develop, then cut back. Yards are gained. It definitely made more sense than running one lone back up the middle out of the shotgun like we've been doing to no avail. And QB bootlegs and roll outs are twice as effective when you have two backs going the opposite direction--not to mention that all of this ate clock--a lot of clock.
Cut to our next drive, another solid effort, culminating in a touchdown. Then cap it off with a bit of trickery, the onside kick, one of our Thursday night traditions. We got these guys on the ropes! But no, we get a little conservative and go three and out. We could have had a knock-out blow with another TD. We end the half with blown coverage giving them a 42 yard TD pass, one of roughly six plays they had over 30 yards, eerily reminiscent of the Arkansas game again. But overall, a very solid offensive performance to start things out.
So what do we do in the second half? Perhaps a second helping of what we did in the first? Uh, no... Seemingly, we try to re-implement our version of the spread again, also known as the spackle. Sure, defenses are going to make adjustments, the offense can make them, too. But don't throw out the entire playbook you just used and go back to what you know is going to fail.
Why are we trying to do this? Like someone mentioned, what are we trying to prove by going back to it? Are we worried about recruiting? Do we have to show all these top-notch spread athletes that we're still giving it a try? Are we trying to show the next spread tactician we're going to hire that we're still committed? Power football got us leads in the Vandy and Arkansas games AND this one. Then we just squandered it by reverting back to that crap.
We're desperate for some offense. We have to keep it simple. Our personnel is not suited for the spread, especially since no one is around to coach it to them any longer. They've had a tough year, but all of these guys know power offense. We can do it. We just have to stick with it. Run our stable full of backs. Let Kodi run. Throw in some passes. Tight ends and screen passes are good weapons to choose. Chuck it long every so often--it opens things up. We attempted virtually no long balls against WVU. Why?
But here's what I'm advocating: I'm sooo tired of this. Let's scrap this spread once and for all. We don't need it, it's NOT us, and it's not Tuberville. It's a failed social experiment, like giving mortgages to poor people. We've had to write-off our season now, like a portfolio of mortgage-backed securities hawked by Wall Street. Face it folks, we're in foreclosure. Can't we file it under lessons learned and move on with our lives? Why did Tubs feel pressured to try it out in the first place? Sure our offense had waned in recent years, but you change OCs, not your whole way of life. Why is everybody so pass happy anyway?
What's wrong with the run being your primary mode of attack? Anybody notice what Paul Johnson is very quietly doing at Georgia Tech this year? Granted, it's still early, but he didn't decide to change up his entire offensive philosophy just because he moved to a team with considerably more talent than he had at Navy. Who says it has to be pass, pass, pass? I'm considering going to watch them play Virginia tomorrow. They still have plenty of tickets available--at the box office. It might be fun to watch a team again that knows how to run the ball--a team with less talent than we have, BTW.
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It was galling...
…..to see the fullback/tight end plays lifted from the book, in the second half. We can talk about halftime adjustments, but West Virginia made almost none. They ran the same D, the same offense. WE adjusted, back in to the crappy Spread Eagle. I always HATED that name. To me, it conjured visions of an S&M porn actress, all tied up. As it turns out, that vision was not far off the mark. We look pretty helpless, running it.
…..Junk the spread. It’s useless.
I was...
…ecstatic to see the I formation so many times in the first half. We may not have reeled off any long gains on the ground, but we did do what we do best (at least what we’ve done best in the past) — continually pound it out on the ground, wearing down the clock and the defense, and then open it up with some passes. My God, it was beautiful! And then we saw the Tubs reclaim his Riverboat Gambler title with the onside kick, but, alas, to no avail. I can’t help but think that had we scored after the onside kick, the game would have gone a different direction for us.
Until this team adapts to the spread, and the spread is adapted to this team, i have to agree with the title of this post: the spread is dead.
WDE
Make it a Chapter
Here is my philosophy on the spread…… We have it as a package available for games we will not be able to overpower the defense. We will have O-line/ RB advantages in 9-10 games we play in a year. There will be a few games where we may need to “spread” out Alabama( good run D) to open up the run in the second half. Basically it can be a choice of running a 5 wide pro style O or Spread formation when needed. We run it 10-20 % normally and have it available when needed.
Note. I believe Kodi is a good QB…He showed nice touch and accuracy when not trying to aim the ball outside. He also has gained countless 1st downs where a Todd/ Cox would have had a 5 yd loss with a sack. I saw this in the A day game and could not figure out where the QB controversy was all year. AS of today Kodi is easily our best choice at QB. We shall see where our recruiting comes in for the future.
Last statement…. What the heck is wrong with our D. I am far more dissapointed in their play over the 3 loss streak than anything else. I can honestly say that the O loos as if it has improved but the D is on a downword spiral. Injuries or not why did we stay in a 4-3 and kept allowing devine to kill us. It was like banging our head against the wall and expecting a different result. Make a freaking adjustment Rhodes!
Our defense is beat to hell and back.....
injuries have decimated the depth chart. We have a big depth problem at the moment at DE and we were not deep to begin with at the safety positions. Trey Blackmon is hurt and is sorely missed although Josh Bynes is a good player. Our defense has played an enormous amount of minutes due to our offensive woes.
The spread...
… is ugly when it’s not fully implemented yet. It’s funny, I remember having very similar feelings in ’05 when Urban Meyer tried to install it with Chris Leak under center. It looked so bad, like an awful experimental idea gone awry. We, too, clamored for the pro-style offense.
We forgot about that in ‘07, and in ’08 we’re still pretty happy about the spread. It takes time. It takes the right athletes. When everyone on the offense is clicking, it is practically unstoppable. Good things will come to those who wait. Question is, how much time does Tubs have…
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But you guys...
still don’t have much of a rushing attack other than Tebow, Ryan. Perhaps a little more of one this year, but the Gators have been centered around the QB since 1990. We’re still a rushing team at heart, and it’s foreign to us to try and run out of the shotgun. Tubs said early on that we were still going to run the ball. Perhaps that was his first meddling with Franklin’s spread. Who knows. I do know this, though: we need to decide on one or the other and stick with it through the end of the season. The hybridization is not working…
by War Eagle Atlanta on Oct 25, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
We haven't seen a hybrid yet....
it was Ace and “I” in the first half and spread in the second half. A hybrid in my mind would be what LSU does which is mingle the formations in a series of downs. I think the spread can work at AU it was just a pipe dream to have it this quick.
But
Have we really seen the spread to be jumping to this conclusion?!
I once asked the question why are there so many Alabama fans that never graduated from the university? I was told its because their parents were fans and it was passed down.........(my response after a pause).....similar to racism.....?
What we are running will NEVER work.
Whether you like the spread offense or not…..I frankly believe that it will not work against top caliber SEC defenses……you have to commit to it if you are going to run it. I don’t know if Tuberville is stupid, suffering from hubris or both, but if he thinks that running a portion of the spread is going to be successful he is just fooling himself. Why any sane person would continue to run the same choatic and inept version of the spread that we employ must want to get fired. Folks, this offense struggled against ULM and Southern Miss and has looked downright pathetic against SEC competition. I don’t want Tuberville fired but he needs to seriously extricate his head from his rectum and quit worrying about recruiting or whatever it is that is making him go back to using the spread. Tubs you need to have a team to recruit for and I honestly think that if you get blown out by Ole Miss, UGA and Bama, you will be fired. Not because you lost those games and we didn’t go to a bowl but because you blatantly refused to accept reality and try and win games that we had a chance to win. At the end of the Miss State game is was abundantly clear that the spread was NOT going to work and yet you continued to go back to it time and again, sacrificing wins for gods sake!!! You SACRIFICED WINS for a system that was proven was not working and worse yet was proven not to be getting any better. My freinds that are fans of other teams ask me how I can’t stand watching Auburn go back to the same failed system again and again. It literally is the definition of insanity. We have the talent to win and we have been in the position to win every game and yet we are 4-4, thats on you coach. Ruminate on this, when we are running the spread we are the WORST offense in college football, not just the SEC. THE WORST!!!! If you are fool enough to think that is acceptable I regrettably must say I think you should be fired. We can lose the rest of the games this year and I can live with that, but lets lose trying our best and giving ourselves the best chance to win. Running the spread only tells me you don’t care if we win and get embarrassed and that to me is unacceptable as it should be to any Auburn man.
On what day did the Lord create Bear Bryant and couldn't he have rested on that day too?
UF won a NC with the spread....
and last time I checked that year included 7 SEC wins. Your argument doesn’t hold water now, tomorrow, or ever for that matter. I remember people saying the same thing about the wishbone. We have stunk it up for sure and we would have been better served to have not been married to the spread in the second half of the last 3 games. But to say the spread will never work in the SEC is total BS. The spread can work at AU if the right pieces are put in place and if Tuberville is confident that he can right the ship with the spread then he should be given the chance (you have been calling for someones head since the first time you ever posted on this site get a clue).
UF's DEFENSE won a NC while they incorporatded the spread with a traditional offense
Look …TODD… UF won that NC based on their defense not their offense. Leak struggled mightily and was not the QB to run that system and it showed. When they really wanted to run the spread they brought in Tebow, but they were more successful running a traditional offense with Leak, so don’t give me this BS about how UF won the NC with the spread, they didn’t. What every team that runs the spread SUCCESSFULLY does is incorporae all the elements of the spread AND have a very effective QB at the helm. In cased you missed it brainiac, we have neither in our offense. I said I personally don’t believe in the spread, I think it is a gimmick that gets shut down by a good fast defense, but more importatntly I said if you are going to run the spread, don’t go into it beleiving some aspects and not others. The spread more than any other offense I have seen is a religion, either you have faith in it or you don’t. We don’t, so I think it is incredibly stupid to continue to try and make it work. Tubs obviously feels we can’t run it successfully in all its incarnations, and everyone knows that you have to be confident in anything you do in life to be successful. I’m not calling for anyone’s head that is using their head, Franklin and Tubs have shown they neglect what works and have tried to make a square peg fit a round hole, again and again and again. It hasn’t gotten any better since day one, in fact I believe its gotten worse. If you or anyone else thinks that is how you run a major college football program you are deluded. In any other line of work this type of performance would not be tolerated. You don’t sacrifice today for tomorrow unless you are showing progress towards making tomorrow a reality. We show no signs of progress at all and that is why I can’t sit idlly by and watch Tuberville flush this season down the toilet. If you are ok with UGA and Bama humiliating us, well I don’t know what that says about you, but you aren’t a competitor and thats not the Auburn way.
On what day did the Lord create Bear Bryant and couldn't he have rested on that day too?
Yo' Mama's wrong again Bobby Boucher.......
LSU runs an effective mix of the spread and power football. I dissagree with your gimmick moniker being applied to the spread offense. It’s easy to criticise it when your team is show an ineptitude for it, but to truly judge it you should look at the offense run correctly (Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10, Big East, UF & LSU in the SEC. As far as acceptting losses no I never accept losses but I’m not some fairweather fan that only supports my team in good times. You don’t know anyone as competitive as I am in fact you don’t know squat about me or what I am like. But I have watched enough and played enough football and other sports to know that its going to take time as well as changes to make the spread work and I believe …..no, I know that we have the coach that can get it done. Yes this year is dismal and unless we improve we are staring down the barrell of 5-7 and no bowl game as well as losses to both UGA and Bama but thats why we need to be supportive of our team rather than point the fingers and boo. We are decimated by injury and the morale is low enough already. Get behind your team thats the Auburn way or maybe you should acquaint yourself with the creed. (by the way in what way are you helping since you can’t “sit idly by and watch Tuberville flush this season……” ? You need to get over yourself.
Tuberville's Idea of a Spread Offense
I gained a little insight into Tuberville’s thinking about offense by watching a video of the 2002 Auburn-Alabama and Auburn-Penn State games. I think Tommy’s still pining away for Bobby Petrino’s offense. What I viewed looked very much like a spread, and we were effective running the ball. Remember Trey Smith’s 100+ yds against the #1 defense in the nation? Jason Campbell was in the shotgun for much of both games.
Unfortunately, Tuberville tried to run the Petrino offense without Petrino, and we know what happened. Post-Borges, he made the mistake of hiring a consultant, not a coordinator. Franklin seemed to have no idea how to manage position coaches and develop players. Plus, Tuberville let Franklin bring in his own QB, a damaged one.
I don’t care whether Auburn runs the spread or not. We need a proven offensive coordinator. Let’s pay him the big bucks and see if we can get him to stay for more than a year.

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