An interesting national championship scenario
With Oklahoma slamming Texas Tech last night, the Big 12 South is now in a 3-way tie. Everyone seems to be in agreement that the BCS championship game will come down to the SEC championship game winner vs. the Big 12 South winner, and it's only natural, considering that the top four teams are all in either the SEC or the Big 12 South. However, it got me to thinking about an interesting scenario.
For argument's sake, let's say that the Alabama-Florida winner is in the BCS championship game no matter what. Then, let's say that Texas and Oklahoma both win next week, and the BCS stays as it is this week, with Texas above OU. That sets up a Big 12 championship game of Texas vs. Missouri. Now, imagine that Missouri wins that game. What would the other team in the BCS championship game be?
Would it be Oklahoma, which did not win its own conference? How about USC, which won't win the Pac-10 outright unless it beats UCLA next week and Oregon State loses to Oregon? Utah is the MWC champion, sitting undefeated at #6, should they get a shot? Should Texas Tech get back into the conversation? Basically, what I'm saying is that if Missouri beats the Big 12 South winner, we are almost guaranteed to see a team that didn't win its conference playing Florida or Alabama.
Is that okay with you? What if the team that didn't win its conference beats Florida or Alabama and is deemed the national champion? How would you feel about a team without a conference championship ring wearing a national championship ring? Does this make a playoff even more needed/wanted?
I've been a playoff proponent for years, even before the 2004 fiasco. I also had the basic Barack Obama college football playoff plan a year ago, before he stole it and made it his. Eight teams, the 6 major conference champions, and 2 at-larges, either mid-major conference winners or a very good team that didn't win its conference. Now you may be saying, "but POD, isn't that counter-intuitive to what you said earlier about conference champions should win national championships?" And yes, it is. But the difference here is that the champion is determined on the field, not by some arbitrary computer system. It's like the NCAA basketball tournaments. Nobody disputes those winners because they were the best in the tournament. As everything stands this year, this is how I would set up the playoffs:
1. Alabama/Florida vs. 8. Oklahoma
2. Texas vs. 7. Utah
3. Penn State vs. 6. ACC Champion
4. Cincinnati vs. 5. Oregon State
Use the BCS for seeding, and switch Oklahoma and Utah to keep Texas from playing Oklahoma in the first round. What do you guys think?
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I like it!
Ive been dying for a tournament since the early 90’s. All this he said/ she said BS has got to go. Lets face it. In the current system, Analysis have way to much say so over who gets what. I say this because the voters aren’t watching all these games. Just the ones that interest them. Then they listen to what the analysis has to say about the other games and teams and then makes his/her vote accordingly. The problem is that the analysis probably didnt see the game either and is simply going on what other people have said about the game. That being through the grape vine or from someone that got to see the game(at times not even all the game). Also its all about STYLE points. Come on… STYLE points? How bad did they run up trhe score on the other team. This is a measuring stick? The other night after oklahoma scored to go up 28-0, they choose to do an on-side kick in-order to get more scores and get more STYLE points. Does anyone else see this as a crazy notion?
If you are going to award a NC then you need to do it in a fashion to where it is won on the field of play. Not in the minds of the voters. If you don’t want to do that then we need to get rid of the MNC all together.
What is everyone's problem with a team not winning their conference going to or winning a national championship?
In a playoff, eventually (and depending on how many teams get in), a non-conference champion team would win it all. So why are all the “pro-playoff” guys poo-pooing the thought of a non-conference winning team going to the NC? In the scenario above, there are 2 Big 12 teams in the playoffs, what if the one that didn’t win their conference won the whole thing? Are we then going to talk crap about the playoff the way we do about the BCS? Settling it on the field? What did you call the last 12 weeks?
FACT: Some teams that don’t win their own conference are better than teams that win other conferences. Example, who is better, LSU 2006 or Wake Forest 2006.
Opinion: When comparing two teams from the same conference with a similar record, the team that has won that conference should get an invitation to any top bowl (NC, BCS, etc.) before any other team in that conference.
Opinion: When comparing two teams from different conferences, who cares which one won their conference? Why is that relevant since conference power and schedule strengths aren’t regulated and balanced?
I’m anti-playoff. I’m not going to get in an argument as to why, because television money hungry executives have brainwashed everyone into thinking we need 2 or 4 or 10 extra weeks of our sports seasons to crown a champion, when in reality everyone just likes the money. I like the +1 model because it will clear up things like Auburn 2004, but we don’t NEED an 8 or 16 team playoff.
Bottom line, who was the best team in the NFL last year? If you say the Giants, you are a moron.
I disagree.....
A 16 team playoff is the most feasible that would leave the fewest unanswered questions. And I have no problem with a playoff that would have included UGA last year or Oklahoma and Texas Tech this year. And plain and simple about the NFL last year…..the Giants were the best team when it mattered. The Patriots did something special for sure but they didn’t do it when it counted. We need a playoff!
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
It's a matter of the number of teams involved
If it’s only the top two, then yes, both teams should be conference champions. 2006 LSU was better than 2006 Wake Forest, but neither was good enough to be in the top 2 in the country. If you expand to an 8-team playoff, then if a team slipped up in the regular season and didn’t win its conference, it has the chance to come back and avenge it by winning it all on the field. As it stands right now, you can lose it on the field and still get a chance for a title over a more deserving team.
War Damn Eagle!
by PowerOfDixieland on Nov 26, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
This weekend
begins the FCS Division 1-AA playoffs….if it works for them, then why not us??
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 26, 2008 10:08 AM CST reply actions
As it stands right now...
the BCS committee has stated that they will NEVER AGAIN put a team into the BCS championship who did not win their conference. With the scenario that you stated above, POD, I don’t see how Oklahoma (or Texas if OU jumps them this week) is not the #2 BCS team in that scenario. I really hope that Oregon St doesn’t bail them (the BCS) out if this scenario plays out, by losing this week to Oregon, and thus letting USC sneak into the MNC game. If Oregon St wins this weekend, and everything you mentioned above happens, the BCS has a major cluster on their hands…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
So does that mean
That if a team that didn’t win its conference is #2 in the BCS, it will be kicked out? I know they tweaked the system after the Nebraska thing in 2001(?) but I’m pretty sure that if a non-conference-winning team finishes in the top 2 in the BCS it would still get the invite.
War Damn Eagle!
by PowerOfDixieland on Nov 26, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I don't understand...
If the scenario plays out just like you stated, then Oklahoma WILL be #2 for having not played and lost in the Big 12 game as Texas did (per your example). The coaches will put them as #2, and I’ll bet the computers will do the same. So how the BCS powers that be can come out and say that there absolutely WILL NOT be a team in the title game that is not a conference champion is rediculous. For one, it’s out of their control, and two, it’s entirely possible. They are just praying right now that Missouri does not win the Big 12 Championship, because no matter what happens between now and then, that game, single handedly, could (and hopefully will) be the beginning of the end of the BCS. Because NO ONE wants to see a UTAH v. SECC title game, but that’s what it’s gonna have to be if Mizzou wins the Big 12 and Oregon St wins the PAC 10 and they hold to their promise concerning the title game.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

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