If you think NCAA hiring is racist...
by An Actual AU Student on Dec 18, 2008 5:52 AM CST
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PrintFor those calling the hiring situation in the NCAA racist may need to take some remedial mathematics. The statistics they keep shoving in everyone's face is that less than 4% of college coaches are African-American. This is a less than the estimated 12% of African-Americans in the United States. However, Auburn's football players are over 70% African-American. Why is this? Because those players were better at footbal than players of other race, it was thier skills as a player on the field, not their race, that decided they should be apart of the program. So whatever you think about this particular hire consider that maybe those coaches that are not African-American in the NCAA were put there because of their skills as a coach, not becuase of their race. Charles is obviously smoking something good to say absurd things like that but maybe he should put those statistics in his pipe and smoke it. He is as much of an Auburn basketball legend to me now as Eddie Johnson is (if you don't know what happened there Google: Eddie Johnson Jr.)
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I agree totally...
Barkley is just another Jesse Jackson to me. All he wants to do is stir up crap that has no validity to it whatsoever, just like Jesse. The only time you hear anything out of the either of them is when color is involved. Charles needs to focus his efforts on paying off gambling debt. Charles…the Auburn family does not even claim you, so why are you still hanging around? But on the other hand “madam charles”, keep bumping your gums about Auburn on national t.v.. All it is doing is making Coach Chizik and the players try that much harder to prove to the nation how much of a dumba$$ you really are! By the way…how much did Satan pay you to get on t.v. and say those things about the school that supported your no good, lazy, sorry a$$?
Well I think Merrium-Webster would beg to differ..
Keep in mind (especially when you are throwing out huge accusations such as me or others being a racist) that racism is not necessarily a majority oppressing a minority, it is simply taking race into account.. which is exactly what people such as Charles are trying to do to the NCAA when they propose regulations such as quotas for interviewing minority coaches.
by An Actual AU Student on Dec 18, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
actually i was talking about Au Nova...
…and his “no good, lazy, sorry ass” comments regarding Barkley.
i’m not calling anyone a racist. i’m saying some of the stuff you are saying sounds like the sort of coded words that racist assholes use to justify unfair hiring practices and the lack of oppurtunity for anyone.
by suicidewatch on Dec 18, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Which is it....?
i hope you guys realize…
…that you sound like racists dumbasses.
or
i’m not calling anyone a racist.
Is this how you react everytime someone disagrees with you?
all that being said, Do i really think the Auburn hire was racist? No i don’t. i think it was f*cking retarded, but i don’t think it was racist at all. the problem is that they wanted someone they were more comfortable with, aka someone they knew. i mean they didn’t even talk to Mike Leach who went 11-1 this year? these people aren’t racist…they are morons.
but hey, it’s AlaF’IngBama. it ain’t like there is a whole lot of history in the realm of progress in the state.
What?
So disagreeing with Charles and defending Auburn make you a racist dumbass? This is so ridiculous. Unless Charles has evidence that the powers that be at Auburn are racist, it is completely unfair to say that this decision was based on race. Once someone is labeled a racist, how do you defend that you are not? There isn’t much you can do to get rid of that image. Charles said these words out of anger that Auburn did not chose the guy he wanted, and instead of handling it like a grown man, he cried the race card. The man is entitled to his opinion, but we are also entitled to argue against it and defend Auburn.
I don't think it was a racist hire, I think it was a disrimanatory hire...
Against good, proven, competent coaches, white or black…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
I am not and will not argue that it was a racist hire.....
anymore than I will defend that it isnt a racist hire. And Actual AU student your argument holds no water and your math is no good with out logic. The reason NCAA hiring practices are viewed as racist are because of the statistics you state not the other way around. I think we can all agree that the population of collegiate football players is more equivalent when divided by race. Blacks are not a minority in regards to number of players on the field. So if approximately 50% of players are black why are there so few “qualified” to be head coaches? The numbers of black coordinators and position coaches would not suggest that there are so few……so what is it? I am white, born and raised in the south, but that doesn’t make me obligated to defend the NCAA’s record on hiring black head coaches, thats just retarded. Like I said I have no proof one way or the other that Lowder or his puppet had any racial motivation in this hire…..I will say it doesn’t look overly favorable but thats not proof either way. So if I don’t have proof either way I’m not gonna scream racism and I’m not gonna defend it as not being racism……to do so is absolute stupidity either way. And if you were to take a step back and look at “who” is being scrutinized you would see that the media as a whole is putting it on those few that misuse their money and power to control Auburn and not Auburn itself……because as I have said many times Auburn is not Bobby Lowder and the BOT it is the fans, students, and alumni. Wake up quit fueling the flames with indignant justification of crap you or I have no clue or proof of either way.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Well if you want to talk logic..
If you would read carefully you would see that I never said anything about this hire being, or not being, race related. I am not Gogue, Jacobs, or Lowder (though I wish people would stop throwing his name around seeing as no one can really prove that he had any more sway than anyone else in the BOT), but if you are any of these persons please let me know and I will shut up immediately. The LOGIC that I am trying to convey to people here is the logical fallacy of presumption (sweeping generalization) that 1) Auburn didn’t hire a black head coach (for whatever reason, those making the logical mistake assume racism) 2) Auburn is an NCAA program. Therefore, the NCAA is racist by not hiring African-American coaches
by An Actual AU Student on Dec 18, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
You are young and should acquaint yourself with the total history.....
of Bobby Lowder and his control over not only the Board of Trustees but also the University. And you still didnt address the reason there are so many blacks at all positions in college football untill you get to the Head Coaching position……that is where your lack of logic shines like a zit on a pasty face.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I wish I had as little pride as Charles..
Because then I would pull cards as well such as.. unless you are kin to Mr. Lowder I guarantee I know more of his affairs through my contact with him despite my apparent youthful ignorance towards everything else.
Also, statistics show that there are much lower levels of African-American players in preparatory athletics than in the NCAA.. Is this proof that the NCAA is racist against W.A.S.P.s?
You obviously missed the point of my original post and if you missed the glaring sarcasm directly above what I am trying to convey is that throwing statistics (such as less than 4% of head coaches are black) is misleading and assumes a racist correlation when none can be proven. When Jay Jacobs swears his allegiance to the Aryan Brotherhood then we will talk.
THAT BEING SAID… this is the last post I will write disparaging the opinion of another Auburn fan on this issue because.. I feel now is a time that Auburn fans need to come together (as cliche as that is), THIS MEANS SUPPORTING OUR HEAD COACH EVEN IF YOU DON’T LIKE HIM OR THE PROCESS THAT GOT HIM HIS JOB. As if skunking us in the Iron Bowl was not enough, Bama fans are to the point of becoming sexually aroused by the thought of this season as Auburn fans are tearing each other apart.
by An Actual AU Student on Dec 19, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly what contact
with Lowder do you have? I am just curious.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Dec 19, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
So you were at his side when SACS put our University on probation....
for his micomanaging and meddling in the Atheletic Department? No? I didn’t think so. I also know some of what has gone on in the past…….particularly during the Bowden era…..from having had conversations during that time with a current Board member. But you are so full of personal knowledge of the little mans reasoning I will bow to your superiority. I once again will state my stance for you……..I have no knowledge either way whether the hiring of our coach was racially motivated. Therefore I will neither accuse them of racism or defend them as I can’t make a case either way. As far as the current atmosphere in college football one has only the data available to ascertain whether there is or is not a racial barrier that would be “African American” coaching candidates must deal with…..and if one examines the number of Coordinators out there that are black one would assume that some of them are Head Coach material……then one looks at the number of actual African American Head Coaches and there is a certain disparity……therefore the appearance of racism exists.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Todd92
Your opinions are truly interesting. Also, it will truly be worth the $10 a month to get my Rivals.com account back so I never have to read them again. I will think of you and smile every time I pay it.
by An Actual AU Student on Dec 21, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I will look for you there......lol.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Here's the deal
When you are looking for a new head coach, you go after the best coach. Period. You don’t go after the best black coach, you don’t go after the best white coach. You go after the best coach. When Auburn hired the coach whose resume on the surface looked worse than any other candidate we looked at, including Turner Gill, who seemed to be a finalist, it raises those questions. If the finalists for the job had been Bill Belichick and Turner Gill, and we chose Belichick, then nobody would be complaining about race right now, unless they were complete idiots. Instead, it’s the Auburn administration that not only looks like it’s full of complete idiots, but it also opens the race can of worms, regardless of the validity of it.
War Damn Eagle!
by PowerOfDixieland on Dec 18, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions
That was an abortion of grammar
Sorry Mrs. Stevens!
War Damn Eagle!
by PowerOfDixieland on Dec 18, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
this i agree with 100%. and Charles himself said that if Auburn had hired Gary Patterson or Brady Hoke then he wouldn’t have made such a big deal about this.
what’s done is done, i wish Auburn was getting some props for actually interviewing 2 minority candidates.
by suicidewatch on Dec 18, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Suicide...
Sorry for upsetting you…I didn’t know you were the “Track Em Tigers” police. I will try to watch what I say on here so as not to offend you. When Barkley said what he said about my school on national t.v., he jumped the gun and since then coach Gill has set the record straight. That…was the whole objective of the post…not to offend you. But with a name like “suicidewatch” I can see where someone might be easily offended. Don’t go get a gun…just stick your head in a bucket of water, that way you can pull it out if you change your mind. You must be a bammer. All my love. AU Nova
I love how on this site anytime someone brings up a point counter to that of some posters
They retort with “you must be a bammer”
War Damn Eagle!
by PowerOfDixieland on Dec 19, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
i'm sorry what i meant to say was...
you didn’t offend me. i just think a lot of the comments people are making are sounding a little too damn racist and they should maybe think about what they are saying before they write it.
i’m gonna go drown myself in a bucket now.
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