CSI Auburn: Examining the Evidence

After the whole Auburn canoe was capsized last week from the big hippo in the water that is our administration, it's been a pretty severe five days hence. To the shock and utter dismay of most in the Auburn nation, our world was turned upside down suddenly and abruptly, and what is now readily apparent is that last week involved a bluff, calling it, and someone leaving with all the chips. There may have been some sort of contest involving urination, too. The one thing we do know for certain is that neither side had a contingency plan for what to do next.
Look, I'm not an insider. I don't profess to know exactly what happened last week, but I don't have my head in the sand, either. I'm just a detective sorting through the evidence trying to solve this crime. What I've heard is that Tubs had been given non-official assurances that he could stay. He might have been given the green light officially in his meeting with Gogue on Monday. Where the problem came was with his first meeting with Jacobs on Tuesday. Again, rumor has it that Tubs knew going in that he was going to have to make some unspecified number of coaching changes. I'm guessing he was told that number on Tuesday and didn't like it one bit, hence the return trip on Wednesday, after getting to sleep on it.
Maybe that when Tubs met again with Jacobs, he told them he wasn't going to fire all the staff that he was instructed to. As to whether or not this was within his power as HC is uncertain, but regardless, the administration had a big problem with it, resulting in a stand-off. Tuberville may have just told them, "fire me", and they may have called his bluff. Maybe Tubs said that he was done with all this, and that he would 'resign' with his buyout in place. I'm guessing the former scenario, but with some consideration given to appearances; i.e. each side covering their asses.
That the administration couldn't work things out with an extremely popular coach who had the second best record on the Plains in the last 30 years is deplorable. That they would do so in a manner where they constructed some sham story about his resignation AND fail to have a backup plan, (read: another coach) is strictly amateurish, and as a result, the fallout shouldn't just end with the head coach. I want the whole chain of command.
That Jacobs presser on Thursday was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. Who's idea was it for him to go in there and lie like that? Jacobs did a worse acting job than you'd see this side of an 80's porno. I think they should have brought the old Iraqi Information Minister, Baghdad Bob, out of retirement to front for Gogue and Lowder instead:
Tommy Tuberville has requested his retirement from the university and will be spending his days in a hunting lodge in Arkansas with 72 virgins...
There is no Tommy Tuberville inside the city limits of Auburn. We crushed his intrusion onto Tiger soil at the Auburn/Opelika airport, praise be to Allah....
Allah willing, we will find a replacement coach soon, by either poaching one from an infidel school or hiring an unqualified one...
If you're Auburn officials, what's so terribly wrong with telling the truth? We reached an impasse with coach Tuberville and have decided to make a change. Are they afraid that it might give them a bad reputation or something? I think that Dick Nixon was a little sensitive about his reputation five years after Watergate, too. OF COURSE it's not going to be a popular decision, but you don't compound it by telling some hokey story THAT NO ONE BELIEVES!
And don't think that I believe Tuberville is an angel in all this. Maybe he could have done something to stave off this divorce, I dunno, maybe sleep on the couch a few nights, maybe bring home some flowers. I thought we had converted him into a true believer. All I do know is that he's not talking and he had six million reasons why he didn't have to do anything. Only his mama knows for sure at this point.
But how do we know that the administration had no plan in place IF they had to fire Tuberville? Because it's Monday and we still don't have a coach, that's why. You don't play a few hands of Arkansas Hold 'Em with a six million dollar pot and not have some other plan when someone scrapes your cash off the table and decides he's going home. It's the only game in town!! What are you going to do now, Auburn?
There's not exactly a bumper crop of coaches out there. You quickly send word to the hottest name out there, Leach, but you quickly rebuff him after 2 days. You send word to the worst possible choice, Petrino, out of spite for Tuberville, and in your haste you quickly get some coaches some new contracts--Nutt and soon-to-be Paul Johnson. Cool. You can throw a little weight around, but at the end of the week, we still don't have a coach.
Now you're back to square one, with new interviews this week, including some political cover by interviewing some alumni, Rodney Garner and Pat Nix. Although both are fine coaches, it's doubtful that either one is ready for stewardship of a program like ours. If you're going for the alumnus angle, you might as well hire Pat Sullivan out of Samford. At least he's got HC experience, but you can't shake the feeling that any of them would feel like Mike Shula hires...
We've got some serious soul-searching to do as a school. We're turning an otherwise respectable program into something that makes potential coaches a little squeamish about coming here. Auburn shouldn't be any person's or small group's little fiefdom to govern as they see fit, it should be under much broader control. We've all seen what happens when you have a small band of individuals with power micro-manage the football program. All you had to do was look west to Tuscaloosa at the coaching debacles the last 25 years. Now they've consolidated that power into ONE person, the coach, and look at the dividends it thus far seems to be paying. If we don't pull our act together, we face finally stepping outside of Alabama's shadow and rising to the top in one category: coaching quagmire.
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…..Pat Sullivan! He’s been successful everywhere he’s been. Turned Jeff Burger and Reggie Slack into All-SECs. Went to TCU, and built a program that Dennis Franchione and Gary Patterson got the benefits of. Sullivan recruited LaDanian Tomlinson, didn’t he?
…..Pat produced the dynamite Darryl Hackney, at UAB. Most recently, he’s turned a moribund Samford Bulldog program around, and had a winning season.
…..Cons: Health. Sullivan had a serious mouth cancer issue a few years back. Age. Sullivan is nearer to 60 than 50.
…..On the “Who done it” poll, you KNOW Lowder doesn’t get his hands dirty. Button-man Jacobs…
Exactly...
the point. Bringing back a former player to coach, I have always felt, is not the best bet. Ex: Mike Shula, as stated above. HONESTLY, every AU fan with remote common sense knows that something is up with the story Fatty Arbuckle (Jacobs) told us. It’s hard not to hate on him, but really, can you send a program down much more? John Pawlowski last year, ?? football this year, and soon to be Lebo’s successor next year. Good job, Fatty keep up the good work.
I think
It would be best if we all moved on…. no use in lingering on the past, that’s what Bama people do
Gotta Love those "classy" Tide Detergent Box Hats
I'm pretty sure...
…we can keep beating it up until we get a new coach, and then for a time after…
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 9, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Its
not a matter of whether we “can” its whether we “should”. if you keep picking at a scab it will never heal.
Gotta Love those "classy" Tide Detergent Box Hats
My friend...
…it ain’t scabbed, it’s still bleeding.
I think they really stepped in it this time. Whether or not you agree with the decision, the handling of it was pretty lame. How do you think it went down?
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 9, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
You saved me a some typing......
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
It
Doesn’t matter what i think because i wasn’t there and don’t know for sure. I have my doubts about the truth of it but i couldn’t confirm any…. I think all i have to go by is their word and it wouldnt change anything if it wasnt true… Fact is that Tubberville isnt our coach any more… and i doubt the truth will come out soon with the 5.1 million in limbo
Gotta Love those "classy" Tide Detergent Box Hats
Skip...
There’s fence-riders deep in the heart of Texas not as skilled as you…
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 9, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Aren't you forgetting something?
It may be that all this was not handled perfectly, I’m not even going to dispute that now, but why is everyone acting like Tubs was blameless in all this? He made a questionable OC hire then never EVER get his OWN coaching staff behind that hire. Instead they fought like a dysfunctional family until the OC was gone along with the season.
I love Tubs, but he looked completely worn out and impotent this season. If the man wouldn’t fire those worthless assistants (Knox and Nall most notably but really all of ’em on the offensive side) than he deserved to go. I think Gouge and Jacobs were being pretty darn gracious to him considering that those assistants have sucked for the better part of a decade and Tubs has done nothing about that.
Thank you
for bringing up a point that no one has been willing to address, including myself. You can argue that Tubbs was a great coach. But you can also argue just as well that his teams’ offenses year in and year and have struggled despite the ’04 team and one or two others. He was also extremely rigid on his assitants ability to bring in their own assistants. Those are two things that I did not like about Tubbs.
War Eagle
Sure...
…he looked a little tired and ragged this season, but in your world we take him behind the barn and shoot him? Is that what you earn after a decade at Auburn?
Luckily, professors have an easier path to tenure…
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 9, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
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I’m not agreeing with the Universities decision. I’m just agreeing with el757’s point on his assistants and sketchy OC hire. Tubbs shouldnt have been shoved out like that. He was far too successful otherwise to be done that way.
War Eagle
What easy path to tenure?
Not now..not at least in the departments that I will be looking…..
by Tiger on the mountain on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Not at all
Wait, they gave him a chance to at least save face publicly by calling it a resignation and paid the man $5.1 mil. I’d say that’s exactly what you deserve for a decade of good service capped by completely ineffectual and impotent coaching in the final season.
Bear in mind that I love Tubs and I think there’s not a better coach in the country when he’s at his peak, but I think that the peak has come and gone for whatever reason. He was out-coached in at least half the games this season. That’s not the Tubs we all know and love.
You are.....
incredibly naive to think that they are allowing Tuberville to “save face” by resigning…….the only ones trying to save face by calling it something its not are the BOT and the Jay’s. AU’s powers that be would be ridiculed as assenine for firing Tuberville….nationwide. Oh wait a minute they are……wake up el757 and look around you. FIRE JAY JACOBS.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
And you are wrong
It might be true that the University is trying to save face, but you have to be a total idiot to look at this situation and think “wow, 5-7 with a coach who appears not to care any more, let’s keep him.”
Don't be a....
retard all of your life…..there is no doubt the season blew up in his face and 5-7 is a miserable record. But to go from “I am committed to turning it around” to “f-it” after 3 days of negotiating stinks to high heaven and if your satisfied with the way it was handled then there is no hope for you…….go to the group home and drool. Douchetard.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Haha wait a minute
Don’t be so naive! You’re taking Tubs word at face value. Pretty darn easy to say those words but his actions all season (and for the last five years by keeping those assistants when EVERYONE knew they needed to go) speaks much louder.
I suppose your mother never taught you anything like “actions speak louder than words” or name calling is for the simple minded.
I never said I was satisfied with the way it was handled. What I am most definitely not satisfied with is people like you canonizing Tubs and forgetting that just last season he took a “duck hunting trip” to Arkansas while at the very least his agent worked the field to get a better offer and at the worst TUBERVILLE HIMSELF shopped around for another opportunity. I’m not saying that happened, but Tubs certainly did NOTHING to quell the rumors. Hmm, that’s not a very Auburn-like way to handle things. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute, another PR disaster involving him and we’re supposed to believe he has NO fault? (Emphasis on “no,” I’m by no means saying that this is exclusively or even mostly his problem.)
Apparently you’ve already started the drooling.
You dance with the Devil....
Bobby Lowder for ten years and tell me how you fair. We have not been in Tubs shoes in any respect. I am not trying to make a saint out of Tuberville but regardless of what you say you don’t go through 3 days of negotiations to say that you resign or quit or whatever……and I am not taking Tubs word for anything the only “words” that have been uttered have been Jacobs (with Lowders hand so far up his ass he’s grabbing vocal chords). Now if you think Jacobs is telling the truth and has not made a total SNAFU out of the whole thing you are a bigger ass than you appear to be by your post.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
What do you do for a living?
Because it obviously doesn’t involve negotiations. They break down all the time. They go from a “sure thing” (does anyone remember CIA Director George Tenet saying that WMD intelligence was a “slam dunk”?) to a loss in a matter of seconds.
You are most definitely taking Tubs words at face value. You’re assuming that he meant it when he said he was committed to staying. Something of which you have ZERO proof.
So far you haven’t addressed a single point I’ve made. You just keep spouting off that Jacobs is a liar (possible) and a stool for Lowder (also possible) but neither of those claims even begin to negate the claims I’m making.
You have chosen a side and you’re blindly following it. I’m done arguing with you.
The only way that Auburn got to save face...
…was to purchase that coverage for $5M. Glad to see they got their money’s worth. Five mil and they still look like a bunch of ingratious dolts!
Let’s see, Gogue’s been in there less than 2 years, right? If he stays in there for 20 more, none of his achievements in academia will ever supplant the fumble he committed with the football coach. It’s ultimately on his head. Granted, he didn’t commit rules infractions like his predecessor Walker, but he was still carrying the Tuberville football up the middle with one hand.
What do they teach you in president practice? Hold on to that ball!!!!
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 10, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
When a Bammer is right, they're right...
I’m not sure Jacobs was lying completely. Though, you try quitting and getting a raise to not work. Whatever else is going on, $5.1 to quit really just doesn’t sit well with me at all. Not to be forgotten, Lowder has never liked Tubberville from what I understand. On top of that, no one really knows how close Tommy was to going to Texas A&M last year either.
All that’s to say, Jacobs did a poor job in preperation for Tubberville quitting. He made a mistake in not having a backup plan. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, is a sure thing in life. You prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Putting that aside, I’m still willing to give Jacobs enough of a chance to not be completely against him. More importantly, we need to stop screaming our hatred of our Athletic Director during recruiting season. We can let those talks heat back up in late February and March.
Moving, we need to bite our tongues of seething hatred and anger and voice our support for the Tigers. I realize we all do and we’re angry. I can’t think of anybody who’s angrier about this whole Colombian crap hole than myself. But, we’re part of something bigger; Auburn University and by God that means something to me. What kind of player would want to come when not only the coaching situation is in disaray but so is the administration’s current lack of popularity with the supporters of Auburn.
From what I’ve gathered, most people on here aren’t happy with too many of the names that may come to the Plains. The most support I’ve seen so far is for Turner Gill and there’s no mistaking a great coach in the making when you see one. Notice, I did say in the making-he’s not there yet. I am not sure if he’d work out at Auburn or not, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him have the oppurtunity. One thing I know for sure about this coaching conundrum, I don’t have a clue what’s really going on or who Auburn will end up getting. War Eagle and good luck Alabama against Utah. They’re much better than what they’ve been given credit for I can tell you that for sure.
I agree with you but...
I think you’re right about preparing for the worst but Jacobs was in a tough spot there because after Jet-Gate any whiff of that preparation leaking would have been disastrous. Not saying that you can’t gather a few close and trusted staffers and plan, maybe even involve Tubs in the process some how, but it’s not as easy as just saying that you should prepare for it.
Tuberville's resignation was forced......
and the reason we should not let up on the “Jays” is the entire thing was mishandled and poorly veiled. I will be shocked if Turner Gill is named the coach because he is an honest coach with the integrity to do it the right way and thats counter productive to the Lowder way…..Lowder wants a coach that can be manipulated and will turn his head to the under handed goings on that Lowder facilitates. You can say what you want about how Tuberville handled his duck hunting trip last season but until any of us have had to two step with the Lowder minority we are hardly in a place to show scorn. At this point I more and more think that this has been planned better than any of us know. I heard today that Petrino’s buyout decreases by 2 million after Jan. 1 2009. If that is true and we have not had a coach named before Christmas a truly dark and dispicable plot has likely unfolded beneath our noses. Turner Gill would be my choice of all those interviewed to this point…. but I would still like to see the Saban dollars thrown at Butch Davis…..UNC couldn’t and wouldn’t try and match it and after all Jay Jacobs (dorkus maximus) said Money was not an issue. Regardless of what happens the Auburn nation needs to call for Jacobs head until he is gone.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

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