Gather Round Children and Listen!

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 22, 2009 10:00 PM CST Comment 32 comments

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We interrupt this year's annual telling of the Alabama National Titles fairy taleto move to a more modern version for those Bammers out there who don't read at an 8th grade level and/or have a short attention span. I'm not sure who did this, but it stays mostly true to the telling that we've enjoyed in the Auburn family for so many years now. Like any good story or telling of the Aristocrats joke, the personal stamp of the deliverer is what makes it so special. And this person likes the Black Eyed Peas. Okay, I'm not really sure how that factors in, I might have selected some banjo instrumental, but enjoy it anyway!

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LOL

8 NC’s or 12, at least we got’em……

by AlltheGreatQBs on Nov 22, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

miss the point

If we used any criteria we wanted to determine a NC we’d have as many as we want. But that’s a little too cynical, even for a program run by Bobby Lowder.

by flemico on Nov 22, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If Alabama did "use any criteria" they wanted, they'd have 26 National titles..

….and that isnt considering the 1966 team. Notre Dame claims that one with a 9-1-1 record. Alabama was so good that year that when Vince Lombardi was asked after Green Bay won the NFL title what it felt like being the greatest team in the world, he replied…“I dont know, we haven’t played Alabama”.

BTW, I know this is an attempt to mock Alabama about the phantom championships, but I know I have seen a 2004 Auburn National title ring on the internet somewhere….hmmm….

by akbrown15 on Nov 23, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Show me where AU recognizes any National Championship other than 1957....

rings or no rings. Tuberville gave his team rings because he felt they deserved them….not because AU is claiming any titles. I’m old enough to remember when neither Bama nor Notre Dame claimed the fictitious titles….those didn’t pop up in Bama lore until the past couple of decades after ND started doing it Bama figured they would as well….pretty lame. I can actually remember Bama fans getting all hyped up because they had won their sixth title in the late 70’s then I almost died laughing when I saw them claiming 12 after ’92.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Nov 23, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Since we are on the subject

I have a great article for you regarding 1957 national title. You people are pathetic. You have one debatable title yourself back in the Eisenhower days. Not to mention the barn has 6 sec titles, tied with the one, the only, Ole Miss, hahahahaha. What the hell do any of you barnies care about what Alabama has or doesn’t have. Once again the barners are living up to there rep as the little brother. Check out www.aubarnie.blogspot.com for accurate info on the Aufarm program. I try not to say anything on this site, but your stupidity begs for it.

by littlebrothersyndrome on Nov 23, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You try not to say anything on this site? Dude, you are the king of all the trolls that frequent this site. And since when are A.P. titles debatable?

All you ever do is come to this site and make an ass of yourself. You claim that you are not an Alabama fan (which I seriously doubt), yet you sure seem to know a lot about what is going on at the crapstone. You have never even brought even one good topic of conversation to the table.

Jay, if there was ever an idiot troll that needed to be banned, it is this clown.

by Jumpn_JackFlash on Nov 23, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He better watch out

RBR has a new policy: get banned on another SB site, get a one-week furlough on theirs. They don’t want to be associated with trolls. Not a bad idea, since it reflects on their site just by association. I think we should follow suit.

Banned in Boston. Banned in Bama.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 23, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would match IQ's with you anyday.....

my little Troy State alumni. And speaking of which did I mention Troy State in a disparaging way? No? Then shut the fuck up and go away little man.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Nov 23, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Envy is a sin, Barnies...

The REAL truth behind Alabama’s 12 National Championships

After spending seven wondrous years in the state of Alabama, never in my life have I seen fans, who claim to be loyal to one team, spend more time AUbsessing over the other more so than they do their very own.

by SanFranDude12 on Nov 24, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't you have some sort of pride march or rally to attend?

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Nov 24, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

bammer

legends in their own minds

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Aubarn...

Legends in no one’s mind.

by String30 on Nov 24, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the dead horse has been thoroughly beaten

Terrence Cody eats your field goal!

by Wallacewade04 on Nov 23, 2009 1:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Okay, here goes:

1925

The video says that because the national title was awarded retrospectively by only one “system”, then the championship is bogus. Problem is, the video is wrong. Houlgate was only one of eight “systems” that awarded the national title to Bama that year. Only two awarded Dartmouth the title (Dickinson & Davis), neither of which was Houlgate. Maybe there should be some fact checking?

1926

Video — again — fact check. It says that Stanford was awarded the title after a tie by Dickson, which is, again, only partially accurate. Based on all of the selectors, Bama was awarded the national title by five, Stanford only by four. Why does the video leave these facts out???

1930

The video says we were only awarded the championship (or a share of it) by one selector. False. I know, you’re shocked. Notre Dame was awarded the title that year after going 10-0. Three selectors later gave Bama at least a share of the title. Bama was an undefeated 10-0 that year.

1934

Apparently the video is willing to concede that “this one’s debatable”, but still calls it bogus because a 10-0 Alabama finished sixth in one of the selectors polls. It’s funny that the video starts trashing systems like Dunkel’s here, because Dunkel gave Notre Dame the title in 1930, but apparently by 1934, things had changed.

1941

This is definitely the least credible of any title claims, but your problem is with Houlgate.

1961

No bitching at Ohio State for claiming a share of the title in 1961, despite going 8-0-1 ???

1964

Legitimate title, even by the video’s own admission. Again, your problem is with the selection process. Who is to say that awarding the national title before the bowl game didn’t cause a let down? No bogus title here.

1973

UPI awarded us a national title? Sounds good to me!

1978

Once again, the video plays fast and loose with the facts. The AP awarded us the title this year, after the bowl game. Clearly a legit title.

I also don’t want to hear that “by your logic we could claim ten” argument. If you award a national title, straight up, because any selector gave you one, Alabama would have sixteen (16), against Auburn’s four (4).

The bottom line is — I love Iron Bowl week. Play on, Bitches !!!

by HarveyBirdmanAAL on Nov 23, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

That's a cute video...

Y’all are funny, really.

Unfortunately though, you can’t call a title defunked simply because it doesn’t meet the standards of today (i.e. awarded title before bowl game, loses bowl game). After all, if we went by that standard, Auburn would have ZERO national titles; because I think we all would agree that teams today cannot win a MNC while on probation, right?

Well, guess who was on probation in 1957?

But seriously, it’s all in good fun. Y’all have a good week.

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That's

a good standard by today, but it wasn’t the standard back then. It was an AP title, which I respect, along with UP and UPI titles—even those awarded before the bowl games, of which Bama has two.

Seriously, TD. When did Alabama start claiming these back-dated and inferior titles? Late 70s, early 80s? Like Todd mentioned above, Bear Bryant won the first six and the next thing we know, it’s up to 12, including the legit one of 1992.

Banned in Boston. Banned in Bama.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 23, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It was at the very earliest in the late 80's......

and it may have even been in 92.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Nov 23, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

honestly, wea...

I have no idea. I’ve only been around since 81 and attended my first bama game in 87, so at least that long. Ill look into it…

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Nov 23, 2009 8:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

When I

moved to Ft. Rucker in 1977 as a wee lad of nine, I seem to recall 1978-79 being #5 and #6. That’s a question that no one will/can answer. Maybe someone pull micro fiche for the Crimson and White from January 1980 and see what they had to say?

Banned in Boston. Banned in Bama.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 23, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was actually trying to dig up...

the game program from my aforementioned first Bama game in 1987 with no success. Although I believe that Bama postdated some of their claims to NC’s, I don’t believe that it was as late as 92 as Todd stated, but I’ve been wrong before. I would be interested to find this factoid out.

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Nov 24, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whether it was '85, '88, 92, or anyother number in the 80's or 90's......

the point is the same. They didn’t claim them in the 70’s much less tout them. I am also one of the few AU fans that does not root for whoever is playing bama….and my only impetus for pointing out the ludicrousness of claiming 12 as opposed to 7 is the completely obnoxious fans who don’t realize how goofy it is to want to embelish an otherwise impeccable and storied history and tradition and who think that just because some entrepreneur prints up T-shirts and other commemorative items that doesn’t make it the gospel. And if I were a Bama fan it would further erk me that my University is claiming these backdated and otherwise suspect titles just to keep up with Notre Dame (yes they started claiming the bogus titles first). I hope to god that AU doesn’t someday wish to start claiming these titles in some effort to make AU seem more austere than it already is……I would rather take credit for what is accepted and has been accepted as credible since the first snap of the football way back in 1892 and not some revisionist history that was accepted some 70+ years after the events took place.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Nov 24, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll go you one further.....

I can remember my brother (a UA alumni) laughing and shaking his head about the ND retro titles that they started claiming prior to Bama doing the same. The funny thing is he is now one of the ignoramous Bammers that proudly display the 12 myth. Pathetic.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Nov 24, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny how that didn't apply in 1985.....

as Oklahoma won the AP NC for a season in which they were on probation…..then in 93 the AP suddenly has scruples and can’t vote for the only undefeated team in the nation because they are on probation.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Nov 23, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad

that they did change the standard, though. I think the dawn of divisional play was the impetus for it. A team on probation was ineligible for the SEC CG and consequently, any national title. Our run in 1993 was only 7 years removed from the Gators’ vacation of the crown in 1984, so it would have seemed a little disingenuous if we were to be crying foul for being left out.

But since that was the precedent (probation NC in ‘57 & ’85) at the time, I’m prone to go with it, just like the pre-bowl result NCs. You can’t fault a team 40 years later for adhering to the custom at the time.

It’s a good standard, although I guess it’s still possible for a team from the Big 10(11), Big Eas(y)t or PAC 10 to test the waters.

Banned in Boston. Banned in Bama.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 23, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I still think that there is a major bias with the AP against SEC schools.......

and I think that had as much to do with it as anything…..AU did get some 1st place votes presumably from southern writers…..or maybe they just didn’t get the memo.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Nov 23, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Based on water cooler/Sunday school

…..talk back in 1993 (which could be every bit as nasty as a modern-day al.com board!) was that Auburn’s schedule wasn’t really up to snuff. At least in terms of national championships. We were the nation’s only unbeaten/ untied team, but the critics pointed out that we had only played two teams with winning records, Alabama and Florida. We had both of those games at home, and at times, had been dominated in those two games.

……Florida was about to go up on us 17-0 in the first quarter when Calvin Jackson got that 95 yard pick six. Bama had us down 14-5 in the 3rd quarter and was threatening to blow the game open. We could hardly get a first down for much of the first 40 minutes of that Iron Bowl! I had gotten my hopes up for that game, and I was just FURIOUS. Then Bowden decided to go for it on 4th and 15 with a backup quarterback. I figured that he had just lost his mind! We made miracle comebacks in both of those games. We had to come from behind against LSU, Southern Miss, Vandy, MSU, Arkansas, and New Mexico State, in 1993. The media was in love with Florida State. Free Shoes U edged Nebraska in the Orange Bowl to win the AP title, as I recall.

by Acid Reign on Nov 24, 2009 6:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

All that recollection, and you weren’t able to watch a single snap on TV. Must’ve been present for quite a few games, or you just have insane hearing comprehension/retention from the radio broadcasts.

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Nov 24, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There was a book...

…..and video of the 1993 Auburn, season, as well as an Iron Bowl video. I still pull ’em out from time to time! No need to rely on gray-matter!

…..Bama’s D did have a great day in the 1993 Iron Bowl, except for two plays. Not sure why Brother Bill Oliver called an all-out blitz on 4th and 15. A max protect bomb exploited it perfectly. Then there was the 70-yard run late. That was more excusable, because Bama had injury woes that year, and Auburn had a big time of possession edge by that point. Auburn wasn’t getting the yards, but they’d eek out a first down or two each drive. Bama had short possessions, either scoring quickly, giving up a safety, or getting turned back 3 and out on penalties. Fatigue was a factor in the 4th quarter of that game.

by Acid Reign on Nov 24, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs