UPDATED: Is the SEC Corrupt?
Visit an LSU message board today and you can feel the anger engulf you the second you enter. Leave it to SEC Commissioner Mike Slive and his staff to cast a cloud over what's arguably the best season for the conference in 30 years. Instead of celebrating a massive new television contract and two conference members at the top of the polls, officials are having to fight off allegations of corruption.
In what's been a string of bad calls by SEC officiating crews this season, Slive finds himself again fighting back accusations that league officials are trying to protect Florida and Alabama as they march ever closer to a showdown in the SEC Championship Game.
The latest controversy came in the fourth quarter of Saturday's marquee matchup between Alabama and LSU. With 5:54 to play in the game, an LSU defender stepped in front of Alabama wideout Julio Jones and made what appeared to be an interception. It would have given the Tigers the ball at their 37 with a chance to win the game, trailing by only six points.
Instead, despite numerous replay angles that clearly show the interception was in-bounds, officials upstairs ruled the defender did not have one foot inbounds. The call changed the complexion of the game and denied LSU a chance to win.
Today, the fallout has already started. College football writer Matt Hayes of The Sporting News had this to say in his column this morning:
Mike Slive may fine me for this, but here goes. How can it come to this? How can college football's best conference -- the best players, the best coaches, the best of everything -- continue to be subjected to brutally poor officiating?
Alabama beat LSU 24-15 in the best game of the season to date, and all we'll remember is a blown call from a replay official late in the fourth quarter that changed everything. Instead of celebrating a big win for No. 3 Alabama and looking forward to the SEC championship game against No.1 Florida next month, we're left with this:
"Speculation," said LSU coach Les Miles, "is rampant."
Hayes didn't stop there. He went on to say:
Since Miles won't say anything, I will. This is beyond bad officiating. It's so undeniably awful, I'm beginning to believe conspiracy nuts who claim the SEC is protecting its heavyweight teams (Florida and Alabama) since, you know, every poor call in the last month has involved, uh, Florida and Alabama.
The fact I write for Track'em Tigers will immediately discount me in the eyes of the Alabama nation. But this is not about Alabama. It's about a perception among fans - now nationally - that league officials are less than honest. That's a problem for everyone.
I believe it's a mistake to take anything away from Alabama. Had the interception stood, LSU would still have had to march more than 60 yards for the win. Against that Alabama defense, the odds would have been long. If I were a betting man, my money would have remained on Alabama.
LSU fans are wrong to say it cost them the game. It cost them a chance at the win. Nothing more. Unfortunately, that's enough to cast a cloud over the two best teams in the conference this season, Alabama and Florida. And because of that, these two schools are as much victims as the ones who were wronged by bad calls.
It's time for Slive to make a major overhaul of the conference's officiating process. It's a group of officials that unfortunately is not near as talented and disciplined as the teams they are trying to help.
All eyes are on you Mr. Slive.
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well said.
We watched it and as soon as the announcers began trying to justify a poor call by questioning when he tucked the ball to imply possession, I knew what the call was going to come back as. I honestly believe that there is a conspiracy for the two teams and until either Florida or Alabama beats a team without question, they will not get the respect.
Both teams are talented but lack any form or resemblance of their offenses of last year. Both teams are terrific on defense but you have to score points to win.
As for LSU who say that the call cost them the game, it very well could have. That pick, at that moment, would have sent the crowd into a frenzy and changed the entire atmosphere of the game. Instead of a frenzied crowd rocking a stadium, you get a team that now believes that no matter what they do, they will lose or be cheated out of the win. That call absolutely demoralized the LSU fans, teams and the coaches. If you don’t believe me, look at the desperation that Miles showed on the punt, he sent everyone at it and didn’t care that a flag was thrown.
The SEC has to make an example of these officials. In years past, they have been the top of the officiating world, but now it really gives the appearance that they are in the pockets of two teams. But I honestly don’t think it starts or stops with the officials, I think that the SEC in general is to blame at this point. Florida had a guy digging in a facemask and he got suspended for one game and the SEC was fine with that. You can tell me that it happens all the time, and that is fine, but Spikes doing it on an open pile of players on national tv and with the video basically going viral at this point, the SEC should have put their foot down and taken care of the problem, and I believe that if it were another player on another team, they would have flexed their muscles.
I would be an Alabama fan too but I didn't go to Troy. Instead, I am an Auburn man because I went to Auburn.
Meyer
actually only suspended spikes for 1/2 game. I think Spikes sat himself for the other half.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 9, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well if thats the case
than they’re really f’ing stupid over at Florida.
How is having the player do the right thing on his own after the coach screws the pooch on punishment making them look good?
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 10, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
WAY TO GO JAY
The post that received the most attention on an Auburn blog was about Alabama. My screen name says it all. Its pretty pathetic that Auburns biggest rival is Alabama. Alabamas biggest rival is now LSU. The barns fans are annoying, kind of like that turd that won’t flush. Start worrying about your own team. But if it makes your life more meaningful to try rationalize the Aufarm is good only because the bammers pay the ref’s, then go ahead I guess. Just don’t do anything to jepordize your health. Go ahead call me a troll, bammer, or cheater, it want hurt my feelings because that sh*t is weak. Just like all the barnie comments on here. But don’t worry it’s all in good fun.
by littlebrothersyndrome on Nov 10, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
No, it's about officiating.
The game in question just happened to involve Alabama. By your logic, maybe we are obsessing over LSU. I’m sure football fans all over the SEC are having this conversation.
I think the NCAA needs to establish a corps of officials all across the nation. While I read Slive’s argument that "SEC officials are very proud of their conference. When they go to church on Sunday they can hold their head up., etc. etc.
But that kind of familiarity with the conference, it’s hopes and aspirations may, perhaps only sub-consiously, affect a man’s impartiality. We can’t escape our subjective biases entirely. Deep down, nobody wants to be the guy who kept a front-runner favorite from going to the big game.
But a corps of national refs should not have the same interests in how a conference game plays out. Although again, they still have an interest in games, live in a region, and may have feelings about some other team in the NCAA which might influence them in some way.
But a national pool of refs would negate those variables by having a game day team made up of guys from all over the place. I might not even make them a team who travels around together, although that might impede their interactions somewhat.
I have seen various pay levels for these guys ranging from $500 to $1200 per game plus expenses. Really? For all the money that’s generated by this institution, that’s the best they can do is hire part-time refs. The NCAA should do better than that. Then they can have more immediate impact on the quality as well as integrity of officiating across the board.
by KungFuPanda9 on Nov 11, 2009 6:21 AM CST up reply actions
You're pathetic
You talk about AU’s obsession with Bama…
Here are your comments and memberships on SBN:
TET: July 14 2009 40 comments
RBR: July 18 2009 5comments
RTT: OCtober 25 2009 1comment
ATVS: November 8 2009
You joined here 4 days BEFORE joining RBR and have posted 8 times as many comments here than there.
The other sites you joined the Sunday after Bama wins to post 1 comment talking shit:
RTT: October 25th
Bama is not the one that pulled off the miracle. I guess kiffie planned on recovering a fumble with 3 mins to go, then score on a defense that has not given up a touchdown in 11 quarters, then recover on sides kick. That’s the miracle. He ran off the field before he could experience rammer jammer at its finest. Also did anybody catch the Lane Kiffin show? What a whinny Puss. This dude makes a lot of excuses. The man is a bi@ch. I hope he reads this. Roll Tide
of 2 comments on RBR in ur recent activity only one doesnt mention AU or TET.
At first I thought you were a child, then I saw the comment that said you were 9 in ’92.
You’re 26 years old? How sad is your life?
Do you even watch football or do you just pick up the paper Sunday mormning to figure out what kind of shit to talk. You my friend are a

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 11, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Do you even read the articles before you comment?
By your “comment” I would say you don’t. All you ever do is come here and “try” to be an asshole. But you come off more as some pathetic ignorant POS with nothing better to do than to try and start shit. You have never once brought anything constructive to any conversation here.
I have no idea why Jay has not banned you yet.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
I watched the call
Looked like the side of his foot was on the white from the angles they showed over and over.
Big whoop, LSU had 17 total yards in the 4th.
Fumbles. It was always Fumbles
at least one foot was in
but you’re right about one thing and thats LSU had very little working on offense by that point
If you take all the questionable calls in all the games that affect Alabama and Florida this season, then a pattern does emerge. I could go further, but to do so would make me look like I was claiming to have seen a UFO.
But the Bama player clearly rammed Jordan Jefferson with his helmet lowered, an illegal blow which sent the kid out of the game for a few plays. No penalty on that one.
Both Les Miles and Nick Saban were calling for a timeout in the fourth quarter, when LSU only had one timeout left and Bama had three. The refs charged LSU with the timeout, thus leaving Miles with no more timeouts.
I could go on, but whatever credibility I might have would be lost.
I will say this, however. My joy for the game has been lost this season. A possible loss of credible officiating taints the victories of a few teams, and thus the achievements of the players. It’s not just the unfairness of the BCS polling process. We can’t even escape the bias within our own conference anymore.
And for those who think it is not possible that refs would cheat: remember the NBA refs who were convicted of making calls to affect the outcomes of games. They admitted in court that they were subtle about it, but that the cumulative effect of those “close calls” were enough to affect eventual outcomes.
Except for the possible interception in the LSU game,
name one other call that affected a Bama game in their favor.
The helmet lowering thing was a miscall, but that happens. You can't say
the refs intentionally didn’t throw it there. That would have probably been very hard to see live.
As far as the timeout goes, it’s whoever they see first. How do you know they saw both calling timeouts and decided to charge it to LSU?
dude talking trash on alabama and florida will not make your team un-suck
What do you not understand about the helmet call. Even if they did through a flag, it’s a dead ball foul. Meaning that since Alabama recovered they would be penalized however many yards from the spot they recovered. What is so hard about that. It is better to have people persume you are an idiot, rather than opening your mouth an remove all doubt.
by littlebrothersyndrome on Nov 10, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
That Troy education is definitely lacking.....
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
"Persume" Awesome
You said it buddy:
It is better to have people persume you are an idiot, rather than opening your mouth an remove all doubt.
Oh the irony.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 11, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Here's a good one for you...
You’re an idiot. And, Auburn will be good again soon enough. However my friend, you’ll still be an idiot.
And also, I didn't mean to phrase it like that.
Name one call that could have potentially won a game for Bama. And the interception still wasn’t even close to a guarantee that Bama would win.
You guys...
you can’t stop seeing things through your crimson colored glasses. Get over yourselves and realize what is going on, damn it’s all over the place.
The helmet hit
had nothing to do with Jefferson’s injury-He left the game with an ankle injury.
The timeout by lsu prevented a delay of game penalty against lsu.
Is the fix in????
I really think it is. I was going to write a post on this so thanks for saving me the trouble Jay. The simple fact of the matter is that $17 million dollars are on the line here for the SEC. Regardless of who goes to the national championship, the SEC WANTS two teams in the BCS, and the only way to guarantee that is if two undefeaed teams go to the SEC championship game. When LSU was #4, I believe they got the phantom celebration call on AJ Green against UGA to help give them a chance at staying undefeated. Throw on top all of the other very questionable calls that have been blatantly missed or more importantly DISMISSED and its very hard to believe that there are not ulterior motives at work here. As far as the interception was concerned, not only did he get a foot in HE GOT TWO IN!! That was a blatant. While it in no way guaranteed LSU a win, it did deny them the chance, and thats the while point. If Alabama or Florida loses it will have to be without a doubt because its obvious that if the score is close, a call will be made in their favor to give them the upper hand. Now let me be clear about this, I don’t think this is an Alabama or Florida bias, just for them, I think it would be the same if it was LSU and Tennessee or whoever happened to be at the top of the rankings. The point is the SEC IS corrupt and wants that money, it doesn’t matter who delivers the gold as long as they get it. College football and the SEC in particular are not about amatuer athletics anymore, it is a huge corporate goliath making billions of dollars and there is more emphasis than ever on branding, marketing and high stakes TV deals. There is so much money involved now that it would be more of a surprise if there wasn’t any corruption. The fact that they appear to be letting it impact the outcomes of games now is criminal and action needs to be taken to clean things up. Right now, it makes me want to vomit.
On what day did the Lord create Bear Bryant and couldn't he have rested on that day too?
technology has caught up with the cheating
this kind of stuff has been going on for years in all sports. the difference now is that everyone is able to see through the new technology just what is really going on. bama has always gotten favorable calls, go back through the games. i can remember one of the first SEC Chompionsip games when UF threw a TD in the fourth qtr vs bama to go up by 14 and the side judge threw a flag for illegal substitution against UF “after” the play was over. (of course that call should have been made before the play started) UF QB threw an interception after that play and bama won the game by 1 point. I guess that is ok since UF has beaten bama 4 out of the 6 games that we have played them in the SECCG. But 5-1 sure sounds better than 4-2 for some reason.
believe me, Alabama has gotten it’s fair share of screw jobs throughout the years. And Florida fans just need to shut their mouths because the Arkansas/Florida game was one of the all time screw jobs. The LSU game doesn’t even compare.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
To all of you who really, truly believe that the Southeastern Conference is fixing games..
you are all insane.
I don't think that the SEC is fixing games....
and I was wanting Bama to win the game (rooting is too strong a word as I would have also derived pleasure from them losing) but that was a bad call of the worst kind and it’s a shame that it has tainted an otherwise good game. The replay ref should be removed from replay duty much like the PAC 10 official a year or two ago. Slive should be less worried about fining coaches (or in Meyer’s case Coarches) and more concerned with the officials getting it right especially with the replay.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Sorry Guys
I’m not trying to stir the pot, but I really can’t believe that we are experiencing anything more than bad officiating. Keep in mind that Auburn has gotten it’s share of crap calls lately as well. Like Jay said, I hope that Slive will take some action at year’s end and clean house / fire some guys / do whatever you do with bad officials, but a conspiracy?….I have a hard time swallowing it.
Nah
Just bad calls by officials not at the top of the game. Auburn had some bad calls against LSU and I still believe it’s just bad officiating. The large contract that the SEC has makes them easy targets for the conspiracy angle. These are the same officials from years past making the same number of bad calls. Nothing more.
I've seen good TEAMS beat teams with great individuals.
The only thing I see.....
Is the unwillingness of the field judges to make the calls on the field. Thus leaving the judgment calls to the replay booth. I would wager that the public outcry of late has as much to do with this debacle as anything.
Ask yourself. How much do theses ref’s get paid per game? How about per Bowl game?
Now consider that the chance that you blow a call so badly that you could lose your Bowl game income. Would you make the snap call on the field, or let the booth do it so you don’t look foolish?
In the LSU game two different ref’s came to the sideline and conferred before one made a sluggish incomplete pass call. From the angles we were shown, watching on High Def, at slow motion, and stop frame by frame technology it looked to me an easy call to overturn and award LSU with the interception. That’s my opinion anyway.
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject"-Thomas Jefferson
I unstood Jay's post
to be about officiating in the SEC,,,,,,NOT about the Alabama-LSU game. However, it brought out all of the mulltet heads thinking it was all about bama gettting the uppper hand in the game due to officiating.
Bammers,,,read the post again. Learn how to comprehend what a sentence says.
WAR EAGLE
How is it that
Slive says any coach who makes comments regarding officiating will be suspended thn the very next week Meyer does it and gets slapped with a fine? WTF?
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
There have ALWAYS...
…..been blown calls on the field. What’s DISTURBING, is that the replay officials are getting it wrong! That call in question was CLEARLY an interception! How did the ref not SEE that? You only need one foot down in college!
…..It’s an absolute mess, right now. Slive can try to gag coaches all he wants, but this situation is rotten, any way you slice it. I still don’t think the league is actively trying to protect Bama and Florida. But, these horrible calls stink of reeking incompetence, plain and simple. This league deserves better!
There is a long history
of crap officiating in the SEC. No one noticed in the past because if it happened to your team and you brought it up you were just a homer. Now we have a situation where the SEC has the two top teams in the country and there is a giant spotlight being shown on the shitty job the officials do. I dont think it is corruption or conspiracy, just plain old fashioned ineptitude.
LSU AU 2006

and
Shit happens.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
and that was only one of many bad calls
i remember seeing apick of 5 men in the backfield but couldnt find it
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 10, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
my other link wont post. try again later
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
That Was an Interception
Just was, I watched it a dozen times even after the game stopped showing it. I really am starting to see a conspiracy to protect Bama and Florida. It may lighten up now that they have both clinched spots in the championship, but it has been painfully obvious numerous times this season.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I think he means.
Take for instance the Terrance Cody thing with him removing his helmet before the play was blown dead. In my opinion that could be argued against Bama but I really don’t care either, he blocked it and a stupid celebration shouldn’t give them another shot at kicking it.
Florida had the Arkansas game that was an utter joke, they also had the LSU game that they should have lost if not for a phantom personal foul.
Both Alabama and Florida have both been on the receiving end of generous, if not overly gracious, calls that helped them seal away a close game. All of them have been on television for all to see and they went viral on the internet. The SEC needs to do something to right the ship before they really look bad.
I would be an Alabama fan too but I didn't go to Troy. Instead, I am an Auburn man because I went to Auburn.
he blocked it and a stupid celebration shouldn’t give them another shot at kicking it.
right, they shouldn’t have had another shot… not because of any sentiment but because that’s what the rules say. It’s like how if a receiver struts into the endzone and gets flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct, they don’t take the points away, penalize the yardage, and make them replay the down. The penalty is, as the SEC stated, a live ball foul which is enforced as a dead ball foul.
But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way of our conspiracy theories and Bama bashing.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
my understanding
is that a game can not end on a defensive foul, even if it is a dead ball foul. Technically, with my understanding, they should have gotten another kick.
I would be an Alabama fan too but I didn't go to Troy. Instead, I am an Auburn man because I went to Auburn.
Two things wrong with that. First off, Tennessee would not have possession of the ball to try another kick even if the game was extended another play. As I pointed out, celebration penalties are “live ball fouls which are enforced as dead ball fouls”. That’s strait from the SEC. Since it was a dead ball foul (in terms of enforcement), Alabama would retain possession since we recovered the blocked kick.
Secondly, since the possession changed, the stipulation that the game cannot end on a defensive penalty is not applicable. This is because on a dead ball foul it doesn’t matter who started on offense/defense. It’s who ends up on defense that counts. That’s at least what the SEC said about the play, and it all goes back to celebration penalties counting as dead ball fouls even if the offense occurred during the play.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
I think.
To my knowledge of the rules, Tenn would keep possession. It was still a live ball because it hadn’t been downed by an Alabama player. In which case means Tenn would get closer and get another attempt. That is my understanding, which could obviously be wrong. But they probably would have gotten that kicked blocked also,
Well, you can keep blathering with your ignorant "knowledge of the rules" all you want. I already explained what the rule IS, but here is the exact rule, verbatim
RULE 9 Conduct of Players and Others Subject to the Rules
SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
Unsportsmanlike Acts
ARTICLE 1. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct or any act
that interferes with orderly game administration on the part of players,
substitutes, coaches, authorized attendants or any other persons subject to
the rules, before the game, during the game or between periods.
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall
use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage
in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to
game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited
to:
(f) Removal of a player’s helmet before he is in the team area
(Exceptions: Team, media or injury timeouts; equipment
adjustment; through play; between periods; and during a
measurement for a first down).
If committed while the ball is alive, these fouls are treated as dead-ball
fouls.
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul or live-ball foul treated as dead-ball foul.
15 yards [S7 and S27] from the succeeding spot.
RULE 3 Periods, Time Factors and Substitutions
SECTION 2. Playing Time and Intermissions
Extension of Periods
ARTICLE 3. a. A period shall be extended for an untimed down (other than
a try) if during a down in which time expires one or more of the following
occurs (A.R. 3-2-3-I-VIII):
1. A penalty is accepted for a live-ball foul(s) not treated as a dead-ball
foul (Exception: Rule 10-2-5-a). The period is not extended if the
statement of the penalty includes loss of down (A.R. 3-2-3-IX).
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Just because he stated his opinion does not mean you should stoop to insults.
He was wrong about the rule and even said he may be wrong. But since he is not a NCAA rulebook geek like yourself, you really should cut him some slack.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Nov 9, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
I just said his knowledge of the rules was ignorant. Sorry if I bit his head off, but it’s frustrating when people keep repeating this myth that Tennessee was cheated out of a chance to win the game when that is far from the case.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Regardless of who is right....
you are a total douche bag and prove it at every opportunity. If you don’t like what people have to say here then go the fuck away asshole.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
look, I already apologized for going off on auburn1125. He was polite, and I was wrong to get so testy. I’m not going to apologize for insulting Sparky, though. I stand by that. He started the douchebaggery with his (admitted) flame baiting and that crap about his imaginary Alabama fan that says this or that.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Spell my name right sir...
If you’re going to insult me, get my name right. And, don’t you have better things to do than get on here so much? How much are we on your blog site sir?
One more thing...
Todd could care less if you apologized to me or not. I consider him one of my blog buddies, but I’m not so sure he’d claim the same about me lol. All that’s to say, he is just saying you’re not welcome because all you do is argue about things with Alabama. This is an AUBURN blog site. You never talk about anything else other than Alabama, so GO AWAY.
If we make a post that brings up Auburn, feel free to comment on it. Have a nice day.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
p.s. the reason I came over here was that the author of this post linked it in a discussion that I was participating in on the LSU blog site. If you guys are going to get upset when people “come on out here and run their mouths” then maybe you shouldn’t be going to other sites and linking your articles. Just a though.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Dude you spend way too much time over here....
and the day you see me on a bammer blog is the day I quit blog sights altogther.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Bama
Has had some nice ones thrown their way, but so has Florida. How about that Dustin Doe play where he clearly had not closed the plane when you use two pieces of video evidence and put them together, which you are absolutely allowed to do. It should have been Miss St ball on the 20.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
The only conspiracy worthy game was Arkansas/Florida.
The only real assistance Alabama has gotten were on very close calls in this LSU game, and that’s well within what you’d expect in a season as far as favorable calls.
The overturned Indiana TD against Iowa was much worse than the non-interception in the Bama/LSU game. There they actually overturned a call that appeared to be confirmed by the video, negating an Indian TD. Where are all the sports columnists writing about Big 10 conspiracies?
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Again
Crimson colored glasses you see love to see things with. You are too biased to ever be objective. I actually like the Gators a lot, but they’ve been getting calls all year. Furthermore, so has your beloved Crimson Tide. It reminds me of the Bulls back in the 90s with Jordan, Pippen, and the rest of the crew. They nearly always were given the benefit of the doubt. I saw it time and time again, and a couple of times I truly believe it was the difference in a hard fought game. Though, I was a huge Jordan fan during that time, I hated to see that. How can you stand for such a taint to come out like that.
well, yea
there are going to be biases but I think saying that there is a “taint” on the season is a bit sensationalist, I mean yea it was a bad call but it wasn’ t the reason Alabama won the game – Alabama won the game because we scored 14 points in the fourth qtr and LSU lost a lot of starters to injuries – the players had a lot more to do with the win than the referees and if that’s me being biased than I color me “don’t give a damn”
there isn’t a “taint” in the win, bad calls happen every single game thats just football
Terrence Cody eats your field goal!
by Wallacewade04 on Nov 9, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
bama has certainly not been “getting calls all year”.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Bull Shit...
I have some really close Alabama friends who have said they would never admit it in public, but Bama has been benefiting from bad calls all year.
such as?
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
codys helmet has been well documented as a no call
Terrence Cody eats your field goal!
by Wallacewade04 on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
even if they threw a flag on cody, we still get the ball with the clock expired. i.e. game over. I’d hardly call that “benefiting from a bad call”. Try again sir.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Umm...
it is one of many bad calls, and that’s not true-it was still during the play, consequently it would’ve given them the ball with an automatic first down.
bama lsu game
i watched the game and was pulling for lsu,im going to say that bama and florida are getting games give to them.bama is because of saban florida is because of tebow first saban to bama when he was at lsu was a cheat,crook ,whatever now that hes there hes god he didnt just stop being a cheat cause he went there. saban is not as good as he gets credit for the only thing hes done is get ingram take ingram from last year and this year and even with their claimed #1 defence they would have lost 2 games last year besides the sec and bowl game so at least 4 loses last year and this year they would more likely lose 4 games .since when did 4 loses make you a god the game saturday was bull the safty should have been a touchdown,it hit a bama player the helmet hit should have been called and the call where they said lsu had 5 guys in the backfeild only when they had like a 50 yard pass was bullshit lsu had 5 in the backfeild on a lot of plays thats the only one they called bama cheats and always will they just have to have a big name to get away with it (bryant) (saban) they didnt do it with shula so case closed . just my opinion, and yes it was a interception on that play . and also why does that ritter ref always do bama games i dont see him for any other team what gives. and as always war dam eagle
I love it
Bama wins with Bear Bryant and Nick Saban because of cheating, but not with Shula because he wasn’t a big name? That’s some ironclad logic. Guess we should give back all the national/SEC championship trophies…
Or not.
by 12NationalChampionships on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Cont pay attention to
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 10, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I still don't buy into the conspiracy theories.
I will say that that was a horrible call and it is inexcusible, but it’s not the first time and it won’t be the last. If memory serves me correctly a replay official got suspended for making a horrible call in the PAC 10 a year or two ago….and I would have to say that this replay official should be treated likewise. I like others don’t believe that LSU was robbed of victory but they were robbed of the opportunity and that is the shame. I wanted Bammer to win because I always want to beat a good Bammer team in the Ironbowl and it doesn’t help our Tigers in anyway for Bama to lose. But c’mon people stop with the conspiracy talk its pretty weak.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Agreed
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 9, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Come on Todd...
can’t you ever let me have fun with the Trolls? I’ll put it like this, the higher ranked teams have and always will receive benefit of the doubt. I don’t like it when my team gets the bad ones to go their way either. However, saying a few things just to fan these guys fires that troll us because they have nothing better to do, I cannot resist man. They just come on out here and run their mouths. I’ll tell you a secret, I DON’T ACTUALLY THINK there is a conspiracy, but I do think that Florida and Alabama get benefit of the doubt more often than not. Still, I cannot resist pissing these guys off, it’s soooo easy.
He may be weird....
but you’re a troll.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Want to know who I really feel bad for?
The SEC crew that calls the championship game between Bama and Florida. They aren’t going to know who to screw. I’m thinking like 10-15 off setting penalties? Anyone? Anyone?
War Eagle
nah
Dude, Saban’s already buttering up the SEC ref’s who think warm buttery sunshine rainbows float out of Tebow’s butt
this whole “give these guys a break” bit he’s playing is just a ploy to hopefully tip their favor away from “Golden Supreme Highly Religious Super Boy”
Terrence Cody eats your field goal!
by Wallacewade04 on Nov 9, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm late
for this here blogfest, I know, but it won’t matter who wins that game. Both teams, if still undefeated, will go to big money BCS bowls. Watch and see. That money is distributed to the SEC. That is why people consider the possibility of conspiracy. Because there is an obvious financial reward for having 2 undefeated teams get that far. The SEC will benefit if they both get chosen for BCS games.
Not saying that I think that its a conspiracy, I don’t know or really care, but watch and see if it happens and make your own call.
Check this out
Let the teeth gnashing begin
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
Oops, wrong link
I forgot to copy the actual link, which is here
I’m an idiot
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
Some of those are not bad calls. Being pictures, they don’t show you what the video does. In the first one, Jefferson jukes backwards on his own to avoid the incoming hit. That’s why he wasn’t given forward progress. On the supposed block in the back on the Julio TD, when you watch the video it’s clear that they Alabama guy barely touched the LSU player. What looks like the effects of a block is really the guy trying to cut back to make a tackle.
The supposed pass interference on the LSU 2 point conversion attempt was not a foul. Just touching the receiver does not give cause for a PI call. When you watch it live, it’s clear it should have been a no call. The spot before and after the running into the kicker foul wasn’t actually all that off if you look at the yard marker on the sideline instead of where the ball was on the field.

I’ll admit the ball is a little ahead of where it should be, but not enough to make a big deal about IMO.
That link did have a nice definitive pic of both of Peterson’s feet being down in bounds. I’ve always though the call on the field was wrong, but that pic probably wasn’t available to the replay official which is the main source of controversy.
Sure, we got a few nice calls, but I’ve seen at least 2 games this year that were officiated worse than this game. And only 1 was in the SEC.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
I don't know if I buy into a conspiracy, as much as I think the officiating crew of the SEC needs an overhaul.
It is also a shame for Alabama, that this win is shadowed by a horrible call. In the end, we have no idea how an LSU interception would have impacted the game. And that is the frustrating part.
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 9, 2009 8:49 PM CST reply actions
A real question
What would you recommend to overhaul the officiating? The process that they use to find officials typically requires officials who have high school AND college experience. They have to meet physical athletic requirements They cannot call games for their alma maters. They get paid a pretty small amount that probably doesn’t offset the amount of time they put in to learning the rulebook, training, and traveling to games. Most of them do it because they want to.
All of that being said, even if the SEC hired full-time professional officials (keep in mind that the NFL doesn’t even do this), if there were a conspiracy at the league office level (and I do not believe that there is), wouldn’t it stand to reason that full-time employees of the conference would be more likely to conspire to reach a certain goal?
I have certainly seen plenty of bad calls this year (and others), but my opinion is that barring evidence of an actual fix, bad officiating is the product of human fallibility, and is just as much a part of the game as helmets and cleats. Should the league attempt to improve training and (possibly) camera coverage? Probably. But bad calls are still going to happen. If you don’t believe that, watch the NFL for a few weekends.
by 12NationalChampionships on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Actually....
the refs should be compensated to a point that they can depend on it as an income…..they should also be held accountable for their mistakes. And while the NFL does not contend that the refs are “full time” they do compensate them generously for the responsibility. The SEC being the wealthiest league should set the bar higher not lower it…..my only contention throughout this whole process is that the shame is that LSU was robbed of an opportunity by the poor officiating, no conspiracy….nothing but incompetence. Referees should be an after thought when thinking back on the game…not the focus of the outcome. You will have a hard time convincing me that my HD set up at home has a better view of the replay than the replay booth….and if a guy in the replay booth couldnt see the dirt and sod flying from his foot dragging across the green grass then he is not qualified to sit in that booth and he should be removed. Again I was wanting Bama to win…..but win fairly without help be it intentional or not (and I truly believe it was just a shitty call)….I don’t want to see anyone win or lose because of a bad job of officiating no matter who it is, even my Tigers. The integrity of the game is more important than wins and losses and if you don’t believe that then you are merely a homer and not a fan of the game.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Actually
I heard on Finebaum yesterday that the SEC replay booths do not have high definition monitors. So your setup at home is undoubtedly better than what is in the replay booth. That is just inexcusable for a conference with the resources the SEC has.
by 12NationalChampionships on Nov 11, 2009 8:01 AM CST up reply actions
That is ridiculous
where the hell does all the $$$$ go?
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 11, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
My comments are still valid....
and you are correct it is inexcusable.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Jay, I don't discount you for stating a factual opinion.
And I understand the point entirely that you’re trying to get across.
If the play had had been confirmed that the LSU defender was in fact in bounds (which he did appear in bounds), and LSU went on to ultimately win the game, the roles would have been reversed as Alabama fans would be crying foul because a similar play didn’t go our way in the first quarter. Smelley caught a pass right on the border of the playing field, which he appeared in bounds, but they ruled it incomplete. The play was not reviewed because the officials stated the review booth was malfunctioning.
Later in the game, after a fairly impressive punt by LSU’s punter, LSU’s coverage team appeared to have kicked the ball at the 4 yard line. However, the officials spotted it an inch away from the goal line, which ultimately resulted in a safety. Now I’m not saying starting at the four would’ve prevented a safety, but we had been backed up like that a few times throughout the game and we managed to move the ball well, gaining more and more breathing room.
As far as the penalty which led to a safety is concerned, I don’t personally know this for a fact or not, but several people claimed it technically was not intentional grounding because Mark Ingram, the intended target was in the direct path of the ball.
The main differentia, which makes everyone question whether it’s a conspiracy or not, is this could’ve been a game changer because it happened in the waning minutes of the fourth, and Alabama’s blown calls would’ve been irrelevant by that time.
The point is, I am torn between all of this. I personally don’t believe in these “theories” and the main reason being is because I’ve seen a lot of blown calls that could’ve benefited Alabama, but were simply missed. And vise versa.
If Alabama had lost the game because the call was reversed, then Alabama fans would’ve cried foul for the questionable ball spot which resulted in a safety and what might have happened if Smelley was ruled in bounds when he made his catch while straddling the edge of the playing field.
Whether it’s a conspiracy or not, there is in fact a ton of bad officiating going on because I’ve seen it first hand even against us.
PS: ROLL TIDE!!
It must be the shoes...
This is a prime example of why I think that football players should always wear black cleats – because they stand out from the sidelines.
Good point
Gotta be the shoes

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
It's Official
If you have to expend so much energy defending a win; it’s official, the officiating is not up to the level of play in the SEC. Even you BAMERS should see that…
by Ghost of Tubberville on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 PM CST reply actions
I have a question
Someone may have already asked, and someone may have already answered. I was watching this replay over and over and trying to find a possible reason that the upstairs official wouldn’t overturn this. Since Julio had his hand on the ball and he was out of bounds, does that make it a deadball? Thats a possibility right? I am just honestly puzzled.
by AlltheGreatQBs on Nov 10, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions
Last time I checked
Auburn was not playing in this game, so I could give a damn…
Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"
by SandMountainTiger on Nov 10, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions
Penalties go both ways for everyone....
The LSU int was close maybe even a bad call but thing is it was ruled incomplete on the field.Out of all the replays you’ve ever seen how many made the wrong call?The thing is there has to be INDISPUTABLE evidence to overturn and this call was very disputable as you can see from prior post.
Bama being the more physical team won this game period
I think you know what I mean...
I don't disagree that Bama had the game in control.....
but to deny LSU the opportunity because of a bad call sucks. Again I wanted Bama to win the game but I also want to watch a fair game without the stigma of poor officiating. As far as indesputable evidence goes if the ref couldn’t see it then he’s not qualified to sit in the booth and make the judgement…..he needs to be removed from that position so he can’t make the same error again. Hell even Eli Gold was saying the damned thing was an interception before the ruling in the booth.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
if the ref couldn’t see it then he’s not qualified to sit in the booth and make the judgement…..he needs to be removed from that position so he can’t make the same error again.
this is the kind of statement that I think is going overboard. I don’t think the vast majority of people are qualified enough to say anything more than it looked like an interception and that it was too bad for LSU. That fact is that you have no clue exactly what these referees are trained to look for when making that kind of call, specifically with regards to what constitutes indisputable video evidence of possession and other factors such as possible touching of the ball by an out of bounds player (i.e. Julio). We saw exactly how much of an expert the general public is on the finer points of the rules with the helmet issue in the UT game. But hey, lets forget about our ignorance of the rules and call for this ref to be run out of town.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Bullshit....
Did he have control of the ball….check, did he get a single foot down in bounds….check. Indesputably an interception….blown call in the replay booth. You can sit there and try and down me all you want but the fact remains that it was an interception and consequentially a blown call. As far as a clue you need to get one and quit being such a pathetic homer. No precedent would be set by removing a replay ref from the booth for a blatantly bad call… it’s been done before and if you put yourself in the position to make the call you put yourself in the position for the scrutiny of that call….especially in the replay booth.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
you can be glib about it if you want, but it’s not that simple. There’s no shortage of dumbass fans that think they know it all and mouth off. Join the crowd if you want.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Why would I want to be part of your crowd?
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Apparently Slive has now commented about the replay ruling.
I’m waiting for Finebaum to come back with the info. We’ll see what he has to say on this subject.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill

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