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Big Ten Thinking About Expansion Again?

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Big 10 commissioner Jim Delaney has consistently said that conference expansion was a "back-burner issue". Now it appears that the conference will get more aggressive about finding a 12th member in order to qualify for a conference championship game. A conference official said this week that there is quite a "growing groundswell" of support for the idea now, an idea that has grown since the Big 10 meetings back in May.

Why the sudden push? Naturally, money comes into play, as a Big 10(12) CG could be worthas much a $5 million or more to the conference in additional revenues. Plus, some conference members are starting to feel a little left out, what with all three major conference CGs having been played December 5th. "We're irrelevant for the last three weeks of the football season because we're not playing," said Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez. Back during the meetings in May, Joe Paterno said of a championship game, "Everybody else is playing playoffs on television. You never see a Big Ten team mentioned. So I think that's a handicap." But not everyone is for an immediate switch. Northwestern's coach, Pat Fitzgerald, appears to be a traditionalist and is dead set against it.

So where does Delaney stand? Although he was not interviewed for the above-referenced article, he was on the record in May withthis: "I'm agnostic. I could live with two divisions and a championship game, but I think that has a tendency to devalue the season-ending game and have a negative impact (in terms of at-large BCS selection) on your losing team in season-ending games.I don't want us to tear ourselves apart over the structure of football for the sake of expansion." Delaney also wants to add an "institution", not a team. That could mean a school which has a substantial athletic tradition and not a johnny-come-lately.

So who do they grab? That's not entirely easy to decipher. The logical choice is Notre Dame, but after being rebuffed by the Irish in 1999, the polictics of the matter seem too strong to warrant a revisitation of that scenario. JoPa summed it up quite nicely earlier this year: "There's some pressure, I would suppose, to maybe go back to NotreDame and ask again, which I would not be happy with," Paterno said in May. "I think they've had their chance."

So who else? Other than adding a service academy (which might be the best shot for the Big East) it's going to involve a poaching from another BCS conference, with the Big East being the most likley target. But not any conference is above being looted. Indiana blog The Crimson Quarry gives a breakdown of teams in the geographic area that may fit the bill.

Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Louisville
Syracuse
West Virginia
Maryland
Kentucky
Iowa State
Nebraska

Although it's hard to imagine Kentucky walking away from SEC gold and Maryland leaving the frying pan for the fire, Iowa State and Nebraska provide interesting choices. Lest you forgot, the Big 12 is sewn together from remnants of the old Southwestern and Big 8 conferences, with the Huskers and the Cyclones being from the latter. With the exception of Nebraska--Oklahoma, there's not a lot of history there that wouldn't be worth losing. Either team could merge easily into a Big 10(12) schedule, but there's no doubt that Nebraska would be quite the coup d' etat.

As far as the usual suspects from the Big East, Pitt seems to be the favorite and we could finally see them and Penn State pick up their recently hibernated series again. But with yet another possible poaching in the works, the Big East would be wise to strongly consider expansion and attempt to lock in their existing members in an attempt to stave off a pick-pocketing attempt from their western neighbor.

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Other than Notre Dame, which team seems like a more NATURAL fit in the Big 10(11)(12)?
A) Rutgers
34 votes
B) Syracuse
39 votes
C) Pittsburgh
258 votes
D) West Virginia
41 votes
E) Nebraska
85 votes

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Northwestern fan here...

…and I’d vote “None of the Above” in your poll, since I think you’re missing the most likely team in a “No That Team from South Bend” scenario:

Missouri.

I break down the reasons why here at Rivalry, Esq. (a great SB Nation Big Ten Blog, by the way), but basically Mizzou fits academically, athletically, and geographically, and could be fit in seamlessly to allow for divisions while maintaining ALL current Big Ten annual rivalries.

The plan? North-South divisions. You play every team from your division (5 games), one cross-divisional protected rival (1 game), and 2 of the other division’s 5 teams on a rotating basis (2 games).

North: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State
South: Mizzou, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State

Cross-division protected rivalries:
Michigan-OSU
MSU-PSU
Northwestern-Illinois
Iowa-Mizzou
Wisconsin-Indiana
Minnesota-Purdue (these last two could be flipped around).

You’d keep every major trophy game, plus make the Illibuck (Illini-OSU), the Little Brown Jug (Minny-Michigan), and the Purdue Cannon (Purdue-Illinois) all become annual games (they currently rotate off the schedule). Mizzou would allow the Big Ten to expand into St. Louis and Kansas City (pretty decent TV markets), and would get access to the Big Ten’s unmatched academic cooperative, all while Mizzou would get two pretty attractive rivalries (with border states Iowa and Illinois) and could keep another (Kansas) as a non-conference game (which is what they currently do with Illinois).

Plus, competitively, North-South works because it separates/splits up the “traditional” Big Ten powers (Michigan, OSU, and PSU) in a pretty equitable manner (I imagine many would say Michigan got a sweetheart deal, but Wisconsin/Iowa/MSU/Northwestern/Minnesota is harder as the 3-4 team in the North, however you rank them, then the 3-4 out of Purdue/Indiana/Illinois/Mizzou)

by Chadnudj on Dec 15, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

That being said...

…in your poll, I voted for Nebraska, which fits the Big Ten’s image better than any other team on the poll — solid academics, rich football tradition, huge fanbase, etc.

by Chadnudj on Dec 15, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea

Mizzo was in the Crimson Quarry piece, but I forgot it on my list. Ooops! Good catch.

Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 15, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Iowa st would make a logical choice. They would already have a rival in Iowa and it would be no big loss to the big 12 who could bring in TCU.
If it was up to me I make every conference have a championship game.
Notre Dame to the Big10
TCU to the Big 12
Colorado, BYU and Utah to the Pac 10
Louisiana tech to the Sun Belt
 Navy, Army and Temple to the Big East
merge the remaining MWC and WAC together

1990 National Champions- Colorado Buffalo's
1913,1957,2004 National Champs- Auburn Tigers

by trayrenfro on Dec 15, 2009 5:57 PM CST reply actions  

You would have a hard time getting La Tech to take the demotion....

just saying.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Dec 17, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Let Kentucky go

and while we’re fantasizing let the SEC poach Florida State.

by Bozeman on Dec 15, 2009 6:10 PM CST reply actions  

We downgrade...

…..if we release Kentucky, and pick up FSU. Kentucky beat ‘em in the Music City a couple of years ago, didn’t they?

by Acid Reign on Dec 16, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Kentucky beat both FSU and Clemson in the Music City Bowl in 2007 and 2006 respectively.

by KentuckyTiger on Dec 16, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Remember though,

When UK beat FSU they were heavy favorites do to half the FSU team being suspended for their Academic scandal. FSU almost won and UK should have rolled.

FSU is not a downgrade.

by LSU Jonno on Dec 16, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't ever see

us ‘releasing’ any team from the SEC, nor would I condone it, unless under egregious circumstances. Nor can I see any team wanting to leave us.

Acid, tell us the story again about FSU alledgedly getting their chance to join us 20-25 years ago. At first they lobbied to join us, but were rebuffed. Then we showed interest, but we were rebuffed. Something like that.

Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 16, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Rumor wuz...

……That when Roy Kramer dreamed up the 12-team league and championship idea, the FIRST two schools he sounded out were Florida State and Miami. To hear some folks tell it, Bobby Bowden was STILL miffed a couple of years after Bob Bockrath didn’t offer him the Alabama job, instead giving it to Bill Curry.

by Acid Reign on Dec 17, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Swap UK & Vandy ...

… to ACC for GaTech & Clempson

by xotus on Dec 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Georgia Tech

is not welcome…they bolted.

Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"

by SandMountainTiger on Dec 17, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

They can come out now...

The Bear is dead.

Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 17, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Clemson, Miami, Louisville, WVU, or Va Tech......

would most likely be selected before FSU. For much the same reason ND would be less likely approached by the Big 10 again……..we only ask once. Also losing Kentucky would diminish the SEC basketball season greatly and I don’t think that the SEC would do that. And why would UK want to take a revenue cut to go to the Big 10? To win more conference games would be the only benefit.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Dec 17, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's Kick Bammer Out of the SEC Already

Perhaps the Big Ten will take them. I doubt it though. We can try to bribe them, but I’m not sure they will agree even then. And no FSU in the SEC as this person suggested “poaching”! Only the preeminent state university in each state should be allowed, plus Vanderbilt. I’m not sure what to do about Mississippi, but in Alabama that is Auburn and in Florida that is Florida, obviously. Not FS freaking U.

by Auburn '07 in Manhattan on Dec 15, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

I was enjoying reading this

until I read your post.

You never stop.

Lee Corso: How would you describe tailgating at Alabama?
Kirk Herbstreit: Barbecue and Ralph Lauren

by animalcracker on Dec 15, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow...

I was just thinking it would be cool to play FSU a couple of times a decade, something AU fans would probably think is cool as well, and as far as the ‘Preeminent state university’ comment, at this point a degree from either UA or AU is pretty much equal (specific fields like Engineering/Agriculture/Architecture at AU and Business/Law/Art at UA aside).

You know, it must suck being a troll at your own blog, I would think you would have better things to do, being in Manhattan and all.

by 1st and 15 on Dec 15, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, that was me.

I used to use 1st and 15, but didn’t figure it would be a good name to use on non-football blogs so I got a new account.

Sorry about any confusion lol.

by Bozeman on Dec 15, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's leave

the Bammers out of this one and stay on topic, please. And it’s such a good topic. The Big Ten is a great conference and I relish it everytime we get to play them. Except for Wisconsin. That’s getting a little old. But maybe we could schedule them for a home and home.

Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 15, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Neutral site Wisconsin game

You could always go neutral in Nashville/St. Louis. I loved going to Atlanta and Jacksonville (losing to FSU not so much, lol) and Nashville and St. Louis are awesome towns.

by Bozeman on Dec 15, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

We can wait

Love to have Pitt or Mizzou. But both, and especially Pitt, aren’t going to leave their conferences. Pitt has the b-ball advantage being in the Big East, and it’s going to be in the mix for a BCS football spot in the Big East. almost every year. No reason for it to move. And having grown up in St. Louis (a long time ago) I just don’t see it leaving its long time conference partners, or its four newer and mostly impressive partners from the B12. As to the rest on your list, they have nothing to offer the B10 as far as I’m concerned. Someday, ND will stop being delusional and come begging. We’ll accept, but only if they beg.

by NU'69 on Dec 15, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

In the meantime

The B10 has to rearrange its schedule to put as many rivalry games as possible into the weekend following the Turkey Day weekend (after playing no games on that weekend). The kids deserve their Thanksgiving weekend.

by NU'69 on Dec 15, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

In spite of

your coach Pat Fitzgerald being one of the younger coaches, he’s one of the more traditional ones, and doesn’t seem particularly excited about expansion. Do you think he speaks for most of the fans? And which benefits NW the most, having a weaker school like Iowa State or a stronger school come in? With due respect, NW is the Vanderbilt of the Big Ten and it would seem to help matters to have not so heavy a hitter come in.

Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 15, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to diss Vandy

which is an outstanding institution and located in one of the finest cities in the country (and I will be there for Northwestern’s opending game next year). BUT since Northwestern finally got serious about football 15 years ago, we are not Vandy. In win-loss, we are smack dab in the middle, 6th place out of 11. Like to be better, of course, and think we will be. Will never be a perennial power. Still, we have no desire to improve our standing on lesser teams. So, no we don’t want anything less than a ND, Pitt or Mizzou.

I’m a traditionalist like Fitz. Probably worse since I’d personally like to scrap the BCS altogether and just compete for the Rose Bowl. But modern facts are what they are. Expanding to 12 with a championship game is inevitable. I see no reason, however, to take any team just to get to 12. The B10 may not be the SEC in football, but we have high standards with no desire to lower them.

I’ve limited my views here to the athletic side. I could go on and on about issues such as academic standards and the proper place of athletics in college to support my feelings. But I think that virtually every Northwestern football fan would basically endorse what I am saying on the athletic side ( though they may have different opinions as to what other teams may qualify for the B10).

We actually think we can beat Auburn. We win as the underdog more often than not.

by NU'69 on Dec 15, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

that the Big Ten is finally seeing the light as far as the CCG is concerned. Some have argued that football skills grow rusty if not used in 4-5 weeks, as evidenced by OSU’s two BCS CGs against LSU and Florida. JoPa nails it when he says that the Big Ten is irrelevant and is missing out.

You may call yourself a traditionalist, but I fear it’s more like an isolationist. The winner of the SEC CCG is virtually a lock for the BCS game these days. The Big 10 and the PAC10 may take their marbles and go home to Pasadena, but do they really want to wager that last slot in the big game against the Big 12, ACC and Big East?

The PAC10 has a round robin, 9-game conference schedule (even though they still will post a split championship) The Big Ten still has a mythical conference championship. You sit eye to eye with the Big East. The writing is on the wall. Everyone down south here respects your conference and we love the bowl tie-ins, but for the love of puppies, you have to get on board with the rest of CFB. $$$ and glory await!

Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 15, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you

on the realities of the situation, especially the dollars. Except for one point. The B10 regularly gets two teams into BCS games. In that regard there is a theory that a championship game would hurt us. I don’t know that’s true, but I do know that taking a lesser team into our conference as the 12th sure wouldn’t help. So with all due respect to the Cyclones, forget about the comment below which talks about the B10 taking Iowa State. We only improve our conference by adding equals. You may think we anly equal the Big East, but we think we are the equals or superiors to evey other conference but the SEC.

But I still think NU will beat Auburn in the Outback.

by NU'69 on Dec 15, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that NU will give Auburn trouble...

they might even beat us, who knows. We will find out in 2 weeks. I would like to comment on a couple of thoughts of yours though. A CG could not hurt you in my opinion. It seems like OSU wins the B10 most years lately anyways. It is obvious that they cannot win against other conferences (see bowl record). If you had a CG that team would be a lock for a BCS Bowl. If OSU was undefeated but lost the B10CG they could still get a BCS at large bid. That would get you two teams in. Look at Alabama and Florida in the SEC this season. It could happen…

Other thoughts, I have a sister that attends a B10 school and she wants nothing more than a good school to join. She, like you, is not interested in a lowly school just to make 12. She also informed me that the school that is added needs to have a rich Basketball tradition, so that would point to Cincy and Pitt again.

True SEC fans can respect the B10 programs, but the B10 has to get 12 teams. And to agree with WEA, most SEC folks do view NU as the Vandy of the B10. You guys have come up a good bit in the last 10 years, but that is still the view. Vandy has gotten better too. If you beat Auburn in the Outback, your team will change the minds of us Auburn fans, but more than likely not the other SEC fans. Just sayin’

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by WarDamnZach on Dec 16, 2009 6:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't put words in my mouth....

WEA…..I have only slightly more respect for the Big 10 than I do the Big Least….and the Big 10 is even worse than it usually is because of the troubles at Meeechigan.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Dec 17, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

With all due respect....

Vandy would do as well in the Big 10 as NU does….and conversely NU would fare about the same as Vandy in the SEC. You may win the bowl game but you couldn’t survive the season but about once every 25 years to make a bowl game.

Also, I fail to see where expansion would “lower” the academic standards at NU. But if I were Fitzgerald, NU’s AD, or an alumni I would want to avoid expansion as well especially considering that would force NU to play a Conference championship game in order to win the conference and that would diminish NU’s chances of ever winning another Big 10 championship.

And yes on any given Saturday you could win against AU but I like our chances.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Dec 17, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

The Big 10 could always take Iowa St.

That would round out the state of Iowa and that would give the Big12 a chance to pick up a non AQ team like BYU or TCU.

by 1st and 15 on Dec 15, 2009 9:50 PM CST reply actions  

A big negative...

…whoever joins that conference faces the prospect of having their 11am games called by Pam Ward.

by atlWDE on Dec 15, 2009 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

I will take Pam Ward...

…..over Bob Davie, ANY day! Wow. I don’t think I’ve ever listened to an SEC color man who had done his homework so poorly! Same for Andre Ware. Ware used to care.

by Acid Reign on Dec 16, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I specifically like

 how when a replay proves him wrong, he still continues making the same point. You’re both right, theyre both terrible.

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by SandMountainTiger on Dec 17, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the Big Ten wants Notre Dame...

……and I think a significant chunk of the Irish alumni would like that, too. It’s a window that is closing, though. Pride goeth and all that…

by Acid Reign on Dec 16, 2009 12:38 AM CST reply actions  

I think that ND had their shot

If I was the B10 I would not even invite them. Their money and fanbase would be great, but you will have to deal with them always thinking they are better than the B10 as a whole. Pitt or Cincy is more than likely the answer

If you are a War Damn Eagle, you can War Damn anything.

by WarDamnZach on Dec 16, 2009 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

ND

Replying late, but I believe it’ll be six more years before ND’s tv contract is up. In other words, it’s not happening. Even if that weren’t the case, they’ve rebuffed every effort to recruit them into the conference. Too bad, too – it would be a natural fit.

Brian Cook at MGoBlog has the definitive breakdown of candidates here:

http://mgoblog.com/content/big-ten-expansion-grid-judgment

by RotoJeff on Dec 19, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting

that there are so many comments from Auburn people interested in this topic. Why should you guys care at all?

Cincy is not a good fit for the B10 because of academics and a small stadium (not that an NU fan has any reason to criticize the latter). Several NI blog commenters like Rutgers, but academics and geography make it a poor fit. I may have been wrong about Pitt not being willing to join b/c there are some stats out there saying that it has less sports income than NU, which is last in the B10. That would change if Pitt came on board b/c Pitt would benefit from all the B10 revenue streams. Still, why would Pitt want to jeopardize being in the BCS bowl mix every year as it is in the Big East?

There is no chance the B10 will take any team that is not an equal both athletically and academically, and who also does not detract from the revenue stream. Pitt, Mizzou, ND, or possibly Syracuse. That’s it.

by NU'69 on Dec 16, 2009 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

You'd have to know our history.

……We have a chip on our shoulder regarding the national championship picture. The 2004 snub for Chokelahoma was only the latest chapter. There’s a very real feeling among Tiger fans that no matter HOW well the team does, quirks in the system will deny the team any chance to win a national title. There is a HUGE interest in seeing all of the major conferences agree to operate the same way in terms of titles and such.

……It really started with Auburn’s 1957 team that went undefeated. Worried that national bias against the South would hurt Auburn’s national championship chances, the Auburn administration secretly lobbied the AP voters in a massive phone campaign. It worked, and Auburn was awarded the AP title. Ohio State’s Woody Hayes immediately piped up with “Whom have they played?”

…..In 1983, Auburn was ranked 3rd, had beaten 8 bowl teams in the regular season, and defeated Big Ten runner up Michigan in the Sugar Bowl to finish 11-1. 11-0 Nebraska and Texas were ranked 1-2. Texas lost, and Nebraska lost by a point to 5th ranked Miami, who had a loss and a tie in their only regular season matchups against bowl teams. AP voters vaulted Miami from 5th to 1st, over the Tigers. Nebraska finished second. Auburn won the "New York Times Computer Poll, " but it was little consolation. We STILL feel robbed on that one!

…..In 1993, Auburn finished 11-0, as the nation’s ONLY unbeaten, untied team in Division I-a. AP voters placed us 4th.

…..Again in 2004, 12-0 Auburn beat more ranked teams and bowl teams than either Southern Cal or Oklahoma did, and were left out of the BCS title game.

……Auburn fans want a level playing field, and a Big 10 title game is definitely a step in that direction.

by Acid Reign on Dec 17, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Nebraska

still finished 2nd in the AP poll that year and we were third. Auburn did win 18 minor selector NCs that year, more than any other team, but that was only a moral victory. Miami took the only two that counted—the AP and the UPI.

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by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 17, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

that there are so many comments from Auburn people interested in this topic. Why should you guys care at all?

Precisely what I was wondering. It seems rather off topic, to say the least. I would think this forum would concentrate on Auburn or at least on the SEC since that is Auburn’s conference. I couldn’t tell you who is in the Big Ten if my life depended on it, nor do I give a flying rat’s ass who they add or dump. But then perhaps it has some effect on Auburn which eludes me..

by Auburn '07 in Manhattan on Dec 16, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

You can't really be an Auburn grad...

This is the SEC…even Vanderbilt students know what’s going on in sports. Hell, they probably set up some statistical equation for who is relatively better to join to Big 10..11..12 years ago

by auburn tigers on Dec 16, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Kentucky is SEC Basketball

The SEC needs UK more than UK needs the SEC. No way they leave.

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Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Dec 16, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

No one

wants Kentucky to leave. The name just got floated for geographical reasons. Besides, football is looking up. Rich Brooks is poised to do what no Wildcat coach has ever done—win four bowl games in a row.

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by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 16, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Calipari = Pete Carroll of basketball

Kentucky is about to be a perennial favorite for the final four on a North Carolina/Duke level

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by Wallacewade04 on Dec 16, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree entirely....

(ugh I just threw up a little in my mouth)

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Dec 17, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

A couple thoughts from a Wildcat

1) There are a few schools that are absolutely NEVER going to be on the list. They include: Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Iowa State. They just do not compare academically, and while this may seem strange, in the Big Ten, the academics direct these actions FAR more than the athletics. Well, maybe not exactly, but let’s put it this way — the athletics side will not look at any school that DOESN’T meet academic requirements, because they know the University presidents will shoot the idea down (as they should). I mean, the University of Chicago will have a vote in this process (they are an original Big Ten member, and part of the CIC, the academic arm of the Big Ten)….do you think they’d agree to add Cincinnati? It will never happen. I would stake all my money on it.

2) Timing indicates this could be a push for That School in South Bend (TSiSB) — the Big Ten plans to take 12-18 months to explore the process…another 12-18 to negotiate/invite a school…and then it’d take 3 years (based on the Penn State model) to fold the team in (Penn State was added in 1989-90, but didn’t start Big Ten play until 1993). Who’s football contract ends in 2015? You guessed it — TSiSB. Not so coincidentally, I think the Big Ten’s TV contract with ABC/ESPN will be up for renegotiation around then too…..which means the Big Ten could A) lure TSiSB into the fold and then B) use TSiSB plus the Big Ten to set up a bidding war between Fox (which has a minority interest in Big Ten Network), ABC/ESPN (which is basically cornering the market on NCAA football), CBS (has a Big Ten basketball contract that would also be up for renegotiation around the same time) and NBC (ties to TSiSB) for broadcast rights. You’d also expect that TSiSB would increase dramatically the number of cable outlets carrying Big Ten Network (almost surely it would move the network into being carried in places like New York and Boston), meaning even MORE money for all the conference members. We’re talking HUGE money here. PLUS — Big Ten basketball would be pretty amazing as well, and there’s even talk of a Big Ten hockey conference…all of which would make Big Ten Network a more valuable commodity (it also shows wrestling, women’s basketball, soccer, volleyball, softball, baseball, tennis — giving non-revenue sports a chance at national exposure).

3) That being said (thank you, Larry David), I have no confidence whatsoever that TSiSB (and it’s pretentious, moronic boosters) will do the right thing and jump to the Big Ten. Even though it would make everyone more money (TSiSB actually makes LESS than the Big Ten through TV revenues at present), even though they could do it without sacrificing key rivalries (USC, Navy, Boston College and/or Stanford could remain on TSiSB’s non-conference slate), and even though it would drastically cut travel expenses for all of its non-revenue sports (Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State, Columbus, and Illinois are all within a couple hours drive of South Bend)….if you think Alabama fans are bad, or Florida fans have a ridiculous sense of entitlement, they pale in comparison to the undeserved hubris of the fans of TSiSB.

4) So who does that leave? Of teams that I’ve heard mentioned, there are:

The Likely (as in they’d maybe accept if we’d offer and might actually get offered by us): Pitt, Mizzou, Rutgers, Syracuse. All pretty good academically, each with their pluses and minuses as athletic partners.

The Unlikely (as in I doubt we’d offer, or I’d doubt they’d ever consider accepting): Texas (why would they leave the Big 12? And, hello — geography?), Kentucky (although maybe not as unlikely as I’d imagine), Nebraska (some grumblings they’d be interested and intriguing, but I’m not seeing it).

The Bizarrely Fascinating: Navy. Seriously, think about it — huge fanbase (Americans, but Naval veterans in particular), contiguous to a Big Ten state (Pennsylvania and Maryland share a border), great academics (if you were to seed bowl teams based on graduation rates, Northwestern and Navy would be in the national championship this year), pretty decent football team/athletics traditionally (recent bowl run, as well as a storied tradition), and no current conference affiliation to have to navigate/disrupt. I seriously doubt this would happen, but — intriguing, nonetheless.

by Chadnudj on Dec 16, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd.

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by Mikeno on Dec 16, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that I give a rats ass but Iowa States academics compare favorbly to most of the Big 10...

and I think you bestow a little too much piety upon yourself.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Dec 17, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep in mind other sports as well

Looking at that list, I don’t see certain schools leaving their conferences, especially due to sports that are not football. This is primarily for basketball schools, and includes Maryland, Louisville, and Syracuse (well the Big East schools with either a basketball tradition or a primary focus on basketball over football.) Maryland is not going to leave the competitiveness of the ACC in hoops for the Big 10. The Big East focused on basketball when they expanded the last time to 16 teams (remember, they have various members which either have FCS football programs such as Georgetown and Villanova, non-football members such as St. Johns, and Notre Dame). Their television contracts are up in a couple of years—if they hold the basketball conference together, they will get a large boost in revenue.

Of course, the Big 10 network could be a draw. But I still don’t see these schools leaving.

by tiger4125 on Dec 18, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

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