The Case For Alabama?
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 8, 2009 12:16 AM CST
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Hey, who snuck young Nancy Pelosi into the game?
I knew it. Most of you knew it. I think even Tebow knew it--that his Florida Gators weren't hungry enough to beat Alabama two years in a row and play yet again in the BCS CG. Those tears on his face were all the proof that I needed. What a monumental game though. Numbers one and two--basically for a de facto national championship, being that all the other teams paled in the rankings. It didn't seem fair making them play so early--it should have been in Pasadena. Such is life in the SEC these days. The rest of the stable should relish this, but should better get busy living or get busy dying.
My hat's off to both schools. They represent the conference spectacularly. Never before in CFB have we had any conference play it's CG with the two top teams in all the land. Yet each team showed chinks in their armor throughout the year. Florida struggled with Tennessee and LSU. Alabama escaped the Vols and a quick-out-of-the-gate Auburn squad. But great teams find a way to win and these are both great teams. The rest of us in the pack were merely bystanders this year, a fact only partly revealed in our records.
So, the unnoticed 362 pound defensive lineman in the room for Auburn fans today is the fact that Alabama is now playing for a national title--three years into The Process. Is this a glass half full or glass shattered against the brick wall scenario? Seriously, Auburn folk. We always compare ourselves to Alabama, right? Should we mock their newfound success because we look at football in the Yellowhammer state as a zero-sum game, or do we congratulate our cross-state cousins on their success? What a delima.
After wallowing in the coaching doldrums for a decade, Alabama threw the keys to the Capstone kingdom at Saban in Hail Mary fashion. We mocked their desperation, but the pass was completed. But it wasn't the last play of the game, but it was the first. Alabama fans started to believe from that point and they started to build momentum. Even those of us not as partisan curiously wondered why they thought they had hit a home run. What are you Bammers thinking? He's just a coach. Yea, he won a MNC in Baton Rouge, but this is Tuscaloosa--one of the most glamorous but THE most dysfunctional coaching stop in all of America--run by 8000 trustees. We scoffed as they backed up the Brinks truck even in front of Wayne Huizenga's. But it wasn't the money that lured Saban, it was the control. The Tide surrendered their Byzantine powerstructure to the sole hand of Saban. It was a risky move, but remember the old adage about what absolute power does. Okay, that AND it rocks absolutely as well.
The part I hated the most about Saban was the belief of many Bammers that he would eventually run off Tuberville. Little did they know that that appointment with the hangman was made long ago. The fact that they claim his scalp from that blowout of last year really bothers me. The cause and effect was totally wrong. Or was it? Did the Auburn powers just panic, and self-fulfill the Bammer prophecy? There might be some truth to that theory because I do believe that sometimes there appears to be some degree of an inferiority complex with Auburn as it compares to Alabama.
Alabama does have a vaunted program and we will be in their shadow for quite some time. That doesn't void our accomplishments and diminish the love and loyalty we have for our school. In the last 25 years, we have come close three times to claiming another MNC, but it didn't happen. We will get our success in time. But how should we treat the success of our most bitter rival? I honestly think that many fans from both teams don't begrudge the others' glory, but it's so hard to find when one will own up to being so magnanimous--especially on the internet.
There is a lot of value in having the SEC win their 6th crown of the12 BCS CGs played, including the last four in a row. Other conferences are being vastly overshadowed. The SEC champion is virtually a lock now for the national title game and it's all because of the dominance we have had since it's inception. Even Auburn played no small part by being the sacrifice in 2004. But does conference pride dictate that we should root for Alabama? Could it perhaps be a family thing? Their success this year and our conference's continued success will ensure that all future SEC champions will be a part of any national title scenario. Can Auburn fans bite their lips and look at the common good, see the big picture? Or will we wallow in misery, green with envy? Each of us has to decide.
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I sure hope
all the votes for rooting for alabama are FROM bammers. If any of you who claim to be Auburn fans actually root for alabama in this game, you should turn in your badge and proceed to the nearest exit. WDE
"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik
Oh please
I voted for Texas too, but this statement is just ridiculous. Not all Auburn fans are carbon copies of each other. If somebody wants to root for Alabama, so be it. No skin off my back.
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Dec 8, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Just so you know...
A lot of Bammers, myself included, will be rooting for Auburn against Northwestern. I am a Bama grad and a die-hard Bama fan, and sure, I hate Auburn…but not the kind of hate that wants me to see Auburn wallowing in misery. I root for Auburn any time the other team isn’t wearing Crimson, because I believe that the Iron Bowl is the best rivalry in the nation and that when both teams are great, it makes the rivalry better. The kind of hate I have for Auburn is a kind of begrudging respect- I want to beat them every year, but I also consider them a worthy opponent.
You can hate me all you want. You can hate my school, and hate the fact that most of us are big enough people to want to see Auburn be successful as long as it isn’t against Alabama.
That won’t stop me from rooting for Auburn to take Northwestern apart.
"You have to create six seconds of hell, every time the ball is snapped..."
-Nick Saban
by KongAtTheGates on Dec 8, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you in reverse.
At NU we have to put up with the arrogance of fans from OSU (justified) and Iowa (an unjustified joke). But during bowl season, I’m a B10 fan across the board. While I think the B10 is underrated vs. the Pac10, Big East and ACC, the SEC is undoubtedly the best conference in the country. So you should all stand up for yourselves.
Too bad it won’t work out for you at the Outback ;)
I'm on the same page...
I hope every SEC team wins its bowl game… I pulled for Alabama against Florida and I’m certainly going to pull for Bama against Texas – even though I know what type of posts will have to be endured if Bama wins the NC – so be it… I’m an Auburn grad and Auburn fan all the way – but that doesn’t stop me from pulling for SEC teams who happen to be foes and rivals. When Auburn plays the type of championship football played by championship teams then we can be the ones hoping to talk smack… (And, yes, for the record, I think we are headed in that direction…)
And it will too work out for us in the Outback!! :p
DWWD -- WDE!
UT
Note that I didn’t say that the B10 was better than the B12. I hope that the Longhorns beat the heck out of Bama. And I can’t stand Sabin.
You guys may have your day at some point, and likely before we do, but it won’t be on 1/1/10.
As you can see by my sig, I’d like to retire in the not too distant future. Can you make a case that Auburn is a better place than Austin?
Two words:
Golf courses…
Actually, one of the major magazines recently ranked Auburn as the #1 city in the country to retire to. Somebody get me that reference!
Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 8, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
First of all...
I don’t hate you personally. I hate your school. Secondly, Auburn and Northwestern are in the Outback Bowl. Would you honestly want to see Auburn win a national championship if we were in your position right now? Most bammers were thrilled we didn’t get into the title game in 2004. Not only that, but I saw several “Go Hokies” comments for our match-up in the Sugar Bowl that year. I’ve also seen posts (on another site) by bammers saying they will be rooting for Northwestern. You can say I’m “not big enough of a person” or whatever you want to call it. It’s a rivalry. I’m not going to sugarcoat it. The bottom line is that I’m going to root for who I’m going to root for, and I will NEVER in a million years root for alabama. It will not happen.
"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik
I reserve my hate for Osama bin Laden.
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Anyway, Saban didn’t cause Tuberville to “run oft.” Tommy was too loyal to his less-than-productive assistants and wouldn’t cut them loose. So, the wise decision was to clean house, if need be, so we could get some decent offensive coordinators.
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I’m not going to mock Tebow for crying. That’s why I love college football and don’t bother with the NFL. The pros get paid whether they win or lose. But for the college kids, it’s all about the W’s. Pride. Their hearts are in it. Those tears tell me Timmy was “all in,” as they say in Vegas.
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Granted, Florida looked stunned from the openning bell, and never recovered. Even the coaches had that deer in the headlights look. Now we learn that Urban had to be hospitalized after the game for dehydration. Wow. Stress.
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I also agree that this should have been the National Championship Game, and it pi$$es me off that it can’t be. Our conference shoots itself in the foot when the SEC Championship eliminates one of our teams from the big stage. BCS should require all conferences to have a play off to level the field. Even so, competition in the conferences is not equal.
- I’m gonna pull for all of the SEC teams in their bowl games. But I admit, it won’t break my heart of Bama loses their game. I hope for the players that they win. I bear them no ill will. But there is a percentage of Bama fans who will be insuffereable if they win. They are the reason I won’t cry if they lose.
agree with aushore
aint no way I am EVER pulling for Alabama. The only thing I agree with Coach Dye is that “I have no allengiance to the SEC, just to Auburn.” I will admit, I find myself pulling for SEC (because I hate the smack talk from other conferences as much as the next person) in other bowls games as long as it is NOT Alabama. I already have my Texas garb ready. Because, as much as I hate the smack talk from other conferences, I hate the conversation about the mysterious 12 NT even more. It is great to be an Auburn Tiger – I will enjoy my trip to Tampa and then come back to the ATL and pull as hard as I can for Texas.
Hook Em Horns!!
I live in Texas,
and there’s nothing I would love more than for an SEC team to beat the Longhorns and wipe the smug smile off the faces of all these Texas fans I’m surrounded by. The fact that the SEC team in question also happens to be from my home state would, theoretically, make it that much sweeter. Then I get on basically any AU website, and there in the comment section it is; “Got 12?”, “Barn”, “Cow College”, “S the Coach”… So, yeah, buck fama. Hook em horns!
lol exactly
"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik
Well
Having gone to school and graduating from alabama i can tell you honestly that i don’t mind the school or the players winning the MNC. In my time on campus i knew several of the players and i truly admired alot of my professors. Its the 90% of fans and students that make me want to watch the tide go down in flames. Its one thing to pull for your team and even be happy when they win. But tide fans see winning as a chance to put down other’s accomplishments as trival compared to the mighty tide’s. That arrogance in itself makes me hate alabama more and more everyday. Its rare that you find a tide fan that isn’t wrapped in this type of arrogance. “One uppers”! “Your team did this well the tide did it better and more often”. To believe that football wouldn’t exsist in the south if it weren’t for the tide and its accomplishments is the kind of arrogance that is bred into every tide fan. I hate that type of person and their fan base is riddled with them.
In the MNC i will not be pulling for anything other than a good game. While secretly hoping the tide loses……BIG! If the roles were reversed and Auburn was playing for the MNC then i can assure you that the 90% of fans i’ve been discussing would be pulling for the other team. And not secretly either.
All I can say is...
Hook ’em Horns!!! I will pull for all SEC teams except for thUGA and UAT. I am probably alone in pulling against Georgia, but if any of you live in or around Columbus, GA then you understand! I have never and will never pull for UAT! As the old t-shirt says, “My two favorite teams are Auburn and whoever is playing Alabama.”
Warining* Bama fan perspective
From reading the comments thus far, I guess I’m in the minority. I was pissed in 2004 when Auburn got the shaft, if only because I knew it meant the SEC wasn’t getting respect nationally. With conference prestige comes individual prestige for each school in it. Let’s face it, a 7-5 record in the SEC looks much better than 7-5 from the Big East, Big Ten, etc. That said, I can understand why you want Bama to lose big in the national title game. But, last year, I pulled hard for Florida to kill Oklahoma, because I knew it would mean we had lost to the eventual national champ, not the runner up.
by HarveyBirdmanAAL on Dec 8, 2009 10:47 AM CST reply actions
I truly believe
that our shafting in 2004 has helped pave the way for massive consideration for the conference hence. Having some pretty good teams in the conference has also helped, in addition to some key losses by other teams, especially in 2007. Florida got the benefit of the doubt in 2006 and LSU was the first 2-loss team ever to play for the title. We don’t really need any extra consideration this year. Alabama and Florida were simply dominant.
A lot of Bama fans like to rub our noses in the 2004 snub, saying that we ‘claim’ that as a MNC because of some rings ordered up for the players. I’m glad to hear one fan say otherwise. In spite of me jumping on Alabama for title embellishment, I’m the first one to claim that they were totally hosed in 1966, after coming off two straight titles in ’64 and ’65 and going undefeated in ’66, only to lose out to the split champions Michigan State and Notre Dame, who tied on the last regular season game.
Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 8, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Most Bama fans...
Will agree that Auburn getting the snub in ’04 was complete bullshit. You guys had the best team in the country that year, bar none.
Bama fans who say otherwise are in that vocal minority of Bama fans who give the rest of us a bad name.
It occurs to me that a lot of the reason Auburn fans (and, realistically, a lot of the rest of the nation) hate Alabama fans is that you always hear about the super arrogant, entitled, insufferable Bama fans who like to call attention to themselves.
The thing is, that group of people is less than 10% of Bama fans. They just happen to make a lot more noise than the other 90% of us.
Trust me, nobody hates obnoxious, arrogant Bama fans as much as normal, sane Bama fans. Most of us (the sane ones) recognize that Bama was great once, but has been nothing special for the better part of the last 17 years, and we’re just happy to see the team we love having some success.
"You have to create six seconds of hell, every time the ball is snapped..."
-Nick Saban
by KongAtTheGates on Dec 8, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
they deserved a shot at the NC no doubt
That Oklahoma performance was pitiful, Auburn could’ve gone toe to toe with Leinart and Bush and lendale that year
but then again, if barners had taken down troy in 04 it wouldn’t have been as satisfying to watch Vince Young dismantle the california dynasty in the rose bowl in 05 – still the best game I’ve ever watched (non – bama related of course)
Terrence Cody drinks Suh's milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Dec 8, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Best non-Auburn game I've ever watched?
January 1, 2007
Boise State vs. Oklahoma
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
okay
that games is great but it would only come in 3rd for me with number 2 being Miami v Ohio State 2003 fiesta (watching the U go down is always satisfying)
Terrence Cody drinks your milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Dec 8, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Miami should have won
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
wow
elitist much? But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by elitist douchbaggery from someone who is from Atlanta and had to move New York to feel good about themselves. Yea, because that is so original. You should really feel unique.
I’m fine with my Bama degree, thanks, and have no problem working and living in my “cornball hick” state with pride.
And I’m not going to attack Auburn University over it’s academics, because two universities bitching about which degree is “better” should be filed under “stupidity”, but honestly if everyone from your boarding school thinks like you do and likes to go on the internet and rant like you do, then I hope every single one of you stays out of the capstone.
Terrence Cody drinks your milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Dec 8, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
YIKES
sorry wrong spot
Terrence Cody drinks your milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Dec 8, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
No worries
SBNation can be jumpy
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
I agree but...
I truly believe that our shafting in 2004 has helped pave the way for massive consideration for the conference hence
I think LSU’s performance in the title game in 2003 combined with Auburn’s run in 2004 equally helped.
LSU really backdoored it in to the 2003 game as well. Remember LSU was not expected to compete with Oklahoma and we absolutely dominated that game more than the score showed. That game probably did as much to give credit to the SEC as anything that happened in 2004.
God I hate Oklahoma
Remember in 2003, they LOST their conference championship game (big time) to Kansas State, and still got to play in the BCSNC game, where they were once again dominated. Then, the following year, they were put right back up there at #2 preseason. What a load of shit.
On that note, over/under on USC’s preseason ranking next season? I’ll set it at 7.
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
they LOST their conference championship game (big time) to Kansas State, and still got to play in the BCSNC game
As they should have…It was USC that wasn’t deserving if you look at who each team beat that year.
On that note, over/under on USC’s preseason ranking next season? I’ll set it at 7.
LOL, that is too easy, I’ll take the under.
It's also good that we didn't choke in the Sugar Bowl
That may have done as much harm as going 13-0 and getting left out did good for the conference
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Dec 8, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
This reaction really surprises me...
for a couple of reasons.
1) For most of you: You would rather have a team from outside your conference win it all simply because you cannot handle the banter of a few obnoxious fans?
2) Coupled with #1: You would have the team (forget the fact that it’s Alabama) that your pride and joy played the game of their life against, left everything on the field against, and led for all but 90 seconds of; just so you don’t have to hear about it?
3) If the SEC continues to stay strong in the national spotlight, then good SEC teams with 1 or 2 slip ups still have a shot at the title (e.g. LSU) because even the computers believe that the SEC is a head above the rest, and a one loss SEC Champ is dominant all day against any opponent; but again, you’d rather not have to hear about it.
What it sounds like is that most of you are simply too worried about not having to hear talk from your bammer family, friends, and co-workers to even think outside the box for two seconds and think about what this could do for Auburn’s future. Obviously, AU is (conservatively) a few years away from a potentially undefeated squad, but not so far from a potential SECC. Wouldn’t it be nice to know that the SEC has kicked so much ass in the past few years, that a 1 or 2 loss SECC (your team here) still demands to be in the BCS CG from the powers that be?
Now don’t get me wrong, I could give a shite less about who roots for Bama and who hates Bama; but some of the senseless “not no way, not no how” talk on here makes me realize that some of you need a little nudging respective to seeing the world from a perspective beyond the tip of your nose.
And one more question for all you “all bammers are arrogant and always bring up NC’s and SECC’s”: What if the numbers were reversed and AU had all the stats that Bama has. Most of you who stated that you’re rooting for Texas would be that obnoxious, stat-spittin’, unbearable AU fan that makes you hate the true Tide faithful so much. So think about that before you A) point your finger, and B) affiliate me with that same group that your mullet sportin’ neighbor, who couldn’t name a coach prior to The Bear, is a member of.
Here’s to the SEC, may our teams leave each of our respective bowl games demanding respect simply by our teams’ dominance over our opponents. I don’t want them to have to admit it out loud, I just want each and every player that goes against an SEC team to know… just to know… Cheers!
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
by TopDaddy on Dec 8, 2009 3:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You forget a few facts...
For as long as I can remember, Auburn has been called “cow college,” “school down the road,” and many other names by so called bammers. Bammers have looked down on Auburn and Auburn fans for years. Most are arrogant and have a sense of entitlement. In no way am I saying you are like this, and in no way am I saying that all bama fans are like this. Also, I understand that all teams have obnoxious fans, but UAT has waaaaay more than any other team. It is a well known fact, and the reason that fans of many different teams hate bama (UGA, Tenn, FL, LSU, and many more). I will always pull against UAT and nothing you say will change that. I will pull against UAT because of the way most bammers act and the way they have always “looked beyond the tip of their nose” to look down their nose at Auburn and Auburn fans.
Not all Bama fans fall into the "majority"
My better half and I took a couple of Bama friends to the AU-UA game with us; and we had another Bama couple take us to the SECCG. I’ll be the first to admit that good, decent fans exist on both sides of the ball – no matter the teams; no matter the sport. As I posted above, I’ll pull for Bama against Texas even though I am well aware of forthcoming comments when they win their NC.
DWWD -- WDE!
Not being from Alabama
I have never understood Bammers. It isn’t like there is a real town in the state. I know Birmingham calls its airport “international,” but try taking a nonstop commercial flight from there to any point outside the nation – there isn’t one. Not even to Nassau or Cancun. I know Birmingham has those four squat, pathetic little “highrises” that Bammers find so urbane. But it doesn’t even have a major league baseball team. Just a minor league team for a minor league town. No one in my hometown of Atlanta even seems aware that Birmingham exists. At least the state does have one real University in Auburn. I think it is because the state is so maligned that UAT is so hyper obsessed with football and with Auburn. That is why Bammers take pride in movies which exploit them as intellectually bankrupt inbreds whose “University of Alabama” accepts and graduates people with mental retardation a la ‘Forest Gump’. And why Bammer needs to call Auburn “cow college”. Yet nearly all of the jacked up to the heavens truck driving double digit IQ dolts in the state are rabid Bammer fans (or have you never driven to Destin, Florida and observed as much) – much like in my home state that element is invariably comprised of “dawg” fans from the Chattahoochee to the Atlantic and from the ‘Deliverance’ hills to the Okefenokee.
It is as if any state’s marginalized stupid inherently worship "The University of (fill in the blank)". It is an intriguing phenomenon. Like some grease covered BammerCletus in Opelika who rotated my tires once told me, "Alabama is the university of the whole state. Auburn is the university of one town". Bammer logic, I suppose. Alabama (the state) gets no credit for being anything besides a backwoods cornball dump. Not in Georgia, not in Florida, not in Tennessee, not anywhere. Bammer football is the one source of pride for the state’s much maligned hicks. Auburn, to them, must be like some inexplicable, traitorous monster. Not only challenging, but dominating them academically. Higher average SAT, ACT and much higher average GRE scores. Average home prices in Auburn are light years higher than in Tuscaloosa. About eight of us from my boarding school (Webb) went to Auburn. Not one went to Bammer. Probably about eight who graduated from the day school in Atlanta I attended through the sixth grade (Westminster) went to Auburn. I don’t know of one who went to Bammer. I seriously doubt anyone did. Hicks don’t bother me all that much, with the exception of Bammers. There is something pathetic about a stupid cornball hick who doesn’t even get that he/she is a stupid cornball hick. Such a person is Bammer.
by Auburn '07 in Manhattan on Dec 8, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
wow
elitist much? But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by elitist douchbaggery from someone who is from Atlanta and had to move New York to feel good about themselves. Yea, because that is so original. You should really feel unique.
I’m fine with my Bama degree, thanks, and have no problem working and living in my “cornball hick” state with pride.
And I’m not going to attack Auburn University over it’s academics, because two universities bitching about which degree is “better” should be filed under “stupidity”, but honestly if everyone from your boarding school thinks like you do and likes to go on the internet and rant like you do, then I hope every single one of you stays out of the capstone.
Terrence Cody drinks your milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Dec 8, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Congrats dude...
On possibly the single douchiest thing I’ve ever read.
It’s cute how you are attempting to prop yourself up as being more educated and intelligent than Bama fans, but at the same time making blanket generalizations about an entire fanbase.
Allow me to refute your little “stupid cornball hick” theory. I’m finishing up a Master’s degree at the moment, and rank in the top 5% of MBA students in the nation. Not my school. The nation. My fiance’ is finishing her doctorate in neuro-pathology. She’s also one of the top students in her field. At the moment, she’s a few protein bonds away from a huge breakthrough in curing Parkinson’s disease. Have you ever done anything that meaningful in your life? We both possess IQs above 140, we both score in the 99th percentile on every standardized test we’ve ever taken (up to and including the LSAT for me, and the MCAT for her). Oh, and imagine this: We’re both huge, diehard Alabama fans.
Of course, neither one of us went to an expensive boarding school or Westminster day school, so I suppose we’re just not up to par with the likes of you.
Bottom line is this: Alabama has some idiot fans. So does Auburn. So does Harvard. Find me a school without at least a few fans who are vocal idiots, and I’ll show you a school without an athletics program. The minority does not represent the whole.
"You have to create six seconds of hell, every time the ball is snapped..."
-Nick Saban
by KongAtTheGates on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
ZOMG HARVARD RULZ YALE DRULZ
YALE IS A BUNCH OF INBRED HICKS
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
dude
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale’s_%22We_Suck%22_prank
Terrence Cody drinks your milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Dec 8, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I’m not a die-hard Auburn fan. When they win – great, when the lose, c’est la vie. I don’t believe anything in my post was inaccurate. I have never heard a university called “the barn,” “cow college,” or “redneck” as much as I heard Auburn called that (during my four years living in Alabama as an Auburn student and by Bammer). It was incessant and unending. I remember some infinitely stupid (to anyone other than a Bammer) Bromberg’s ad which delighted Bammers endlessly a couple of years ago. And I just don’t get it. Most of the Bammers I have encountered (and “most” is not a generalization) are hicks. Most of them talk they are the products of 800 years of inbreeding (and look like it too). And yet Auburn, which does have far more students from Webb and Westminster, from abroad, from New York and California, from Buckhead and Vinings and Dunwoody than Bammer ever will, is the “cow college”? And Bammer is urbane by some stretch of the imagination? And you think that isn’t pathetic and vaguely intriguing? I am unaware of any other university anywhere as obsessed with trashing another as Bammer is with Auburn. And based on some sense of being urban? When nothing could be further from the truth? My theory that Bammer’s obsession with Auburn and with football is based upon the state being considered an inbred redneck dump by every other state in the nation is valid, or at least a contributing factor to Bammer’s neurosis, I believe. What explanation would you offer?
by Auburn '07 in Manhattan on Dec 8, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
hah
have fun living up north buddy
you belong there
Terrence Cody drinks your milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Dec 8, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Hey,
I live up north (Chicago) and don’t want to have anything to do with AU’07. I find it difficult to believe that he survived four years at Auburn.
Chicago is amazing
got to see a cubs game this year
Terrence Cody drinks your milkshake!
by Wallacewade04 on Dec 9, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I love the bulls...
but I hate the Cubs and the White Sox. Damn, I really hate the Cubs. I mean REALLY.
Unless you are a Cardinals or White Sox fan,
why would anyone hate the Cubs?
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Dec 9, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
GO CARDINALS
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
How can you hate
a team like the Cubs who are so inept that they will never even go to the WS in your lifetime? I am a Cubs fan b/c I’ve lived here for so long and it is a good time to go to Wrigley, but the Cubs will always be a joke.
However, one of my other teams is not a joke at all and will take you down on 1/1.
One of the best times ever --
Was a chance I had years ago to attend a Cubs game while in Chicago on business. I wasn’t a Cubs fan, per se, and I’m still not but it was simply very cool to be sitting in Wrigley Field while Harry led the crowd singing during the 7th inning stretch… I had seen that on TV numerous times but it was great seeing it in person. I still have a pic I took that day of him “hanging” over the press box with mic in hand…
DWWD -- WDE!
Ok, so let me see if I understand you correctly...
*Alabama doesn’t have a “real” city based on the fact that none of them have a MLB team, an International Airport, and because no one in Atlanta seems to think that Birmingham exists.
*Bammers are retarded because Forrest Gump graduated from Alabama.
*Something about truck driving Bama fans in Destin.
*No one from Webb and Westminister went to “Bammer”.
My first comment to this is: Are you f-ing serious? Get your head out of your hoity toity ass and complete a damn thought! Obviously, Webb and Westminister didn’t teach you how to do that.
I can’t wait to read your senseless regurgitation below, and see how even more delusional you are.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Perhaps I should have attended (but not managed to graduate, mind you) Moro(n) Bottom High School. You know, just like “The Bar”. Then I could have attended Bammer and learned Bammerspeak.
Oh, what could have been! LOL! Ciao…
by Auburn '07 in Manhattan on Dec 8, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, this isn't about Bammerspeak...
This is about the fact that it is impossible to ascertain any semblance of a point or arguement out of what you wrote above. That’s fine on a normal basis, but it’s the “birthright” attitude with which you write that makes this unacceptable. When you come in here and think you’re making fun of Alabama (the state, not the university) by comparing it to the Suburbs of ATL and boarding schools you attended, and airports that can take you to Cancun; your point gets lost very quickly. No one here gives a shite about your boyhood schools, your yearning to mimic the “Cruel Intentions” lifestyle as closely as non-fictionly possible, and whether any of your “chaps” thought it “proper” to attend Bama.
If you don’t like Alabama, then stay the hell out; that’s sure as hell why I stay out of Georgia. And I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t find the warmest of hospitality here with your fairweather fandom. Tschuss!
So
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
It's a well known FACT that Bama has more obnoxious fans?
Who funded the poll that made this become a fact? You mean that it’s a well know THEORY… And you say all of this name calling takes place from “bammers” to AU as you, yourself, sit there and call us obnoxious; so how the hell are you any different than the bammers you despise?
Again, I don’t give a damn who y’all root for, but it’s just unbelievable to me that your loathing of a fanbase (which likely comes from a 10-15 person group of bammers that you associate yourself with from time to time) would make you forget what’s best for your team. Forget about yourself for a minute: How would it benefit AUBURN if Texas wins? I t wouldn’t, but you’d have those damn bammers off your back, wouldn’t you? How would if benefit AUBURN if Alabama wins? Increase of the strength of the conference which your team plays in.
But hey, it’s all about you. Screw the greater good of the university…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Look,
Based on my experience and that of many other Auburn fans, not to mention fans of other teams, there is a higher percentage of obnoxious UAT fans. You know it, and that’s why my post hit a nerve with you. Just so you know, I am on an Auburn website with Auburn fans having a discussion. I am not on a UAT site running my mouth about how great Auburn is and how much I hate UAT. So yes, that makes me different than most bammers. Actually, I don’t voluntarily associate with any bammers, much less 10-15 of them. The UAT fans that I choose to associate myself with are not that bad, which is why I stated in my original post that I was not “saying that all bama fans are like this.” Why don’t you go to a bammer blog and discuss the “greater good” of UAT, bammer!
Yes, you are on an Auburn website...
but, you responded to my general post addressed to the AU faithful (and no one in particular), so now you’re talking to me. And in addressing ME, you posted in such a way that seemingly made you no better than the “bammers” you described. That was my observation. If you disagree, I’m always up for discussion, but leave the “bammer” names at the door.
Second, the only thing that struck a nerve with me is your bIanket statistic of “there’s a higher percentage of obnoxious UAT fans”. Yes there’s a higher number, but I’d GUESS the percentages are about the same. That’s like saying that New York City has a higher crime rate than Montgomery. Yes there is more crime overall, but per capita, they are about the same.
Third, I never once came in here “running my mouth on how great Alabama is”. I’m sure you’d love to believe that was my intention, but go re-read my post. Never once did I mention Bama and National Championship together; I simply mentioned that an SEC team winning the NC would do nothing else but help all other SEC schools. I also paid AU a couple of compliments in there, but your blind hatred probably filtered that out for you. It was simply a lemons to lemonade post, but spin it however you wish.
Ask around, I don’t come in here talking crap. I feel that I have a different perspective than many on here, so I come to offer that in the least bias way possible, while also taking in a different perspective for myself. Then occasionally I’ll run into someone like you who sees a Bama fan and pounces with off the wall “facts”, statistics, and insults. But it’s all good, I’m starting to get used to it. Good luck to your team. Cheers.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
As I stated before...
My experience is that there IS a higher percentage of obnoxious bama fans. As I said above, I was not speaking of you in particular. Your “guess” in my opinion is wrong! I also never accused you of “running your mouth.” I just simply gave my reasoning for pulling against UAT. I was only talking to YOU because you seemed to have a problem with posts like my original post which stated that I was pulling against UAT. So, no I was not talking to you originally. Again, I was just backing up my reasons for pulling against UAT. Sorry if you don’t like it or don’t agree. You are entitled to your opinion. One more thing, I never once “pounced” on you “off the wall statistics or insults.” Please show me once in the above posts that I ever insulted you. I actually think you have some pretty good points and have been a pleasant bama fan on the blog. I wouldn’t insult you just because we disagree.
Understandable. My post was definitely not to you, specifically, but I see your point after reading your original post.
As far as insulting me, it takes a lot to do that, but anytime an AU fan uses the term “bammer”, it’s definitely not meant as a term of endearment, so that’s what I was referring to.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Just an observation...
You are offended by the term ‘cow college’ and ‘school down the road’ , but you don’t seem to mind using the terms ‘bammer’ or ‘UAT’.
How is UAT demeaning? The University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa.
by KungFuPanda9 on Dec 10, 2009 5:21 AM CST up reply actions
As I said above...
UAT is not meant as a term of endearment. No, it’s not demeaning to most Bama fans, but that’s definitely it’s intention. Maybe it’s become so commonplace that people like 3rd use it without knowing the origin of its use, but it was conceived as an insult.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
I do know its origin...
I was at the game in 1989 when the students posted a sign that said, “Welcome to Auburn, UAT.” As I stated, it was started by FANS, and not a COACH of the university to demean and degrade.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Dec 10, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong...
I wasn’t trying to say you were ignorant to its origin (although that’s the way I worded it for some reason), I just meant to say that the demeaning nature behind it may have been lost over the years, and that now it’s just a common term (used with no ill intentions) for some AU fans in reference to U of A.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Bammer is a term...
used to describe the uneducated and obnoxious members of the bama nation that seem to be only out when UAT has a good football team. UAT is a reference to where the school is located, and to remind the bammers that the university is located in Tuscaloosa and not Birmingham. Neither term degrades the actual university or a degree from the university, and are done in response to years of ridicule as stated in my other posts. “Cow college” and “the school down the road” are both used to demean and degrade both Auburn fans, Auburn University, Auburn football, and a degree from Auburn. Also, both were started by COACHES of UAT. I have never heard an AU coach refer to bama fans as bammers or to the university as UAT. Two different things in my opinion.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Dec 10, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I definitely don't think I deserve that term...
based on your definition, but to each his own.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
I wasn't using it to describe you...
But you have to understand that the majority of bama fans that post on Auburn forums will fall into that category so I apologize if made you feel as if I was lumping you in with that group. Also, I understand that there is a group of Auburn fans that post on bama forums (al.com crowd) that do it just to be obnoxious. I am not one of those.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Dec 10, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
I do agree with your first sentence...
The litmus test for that is to go into their profile and see if they have more posts here than at RBR. If that’s the case, I’d just ignore them and move on. They likely will move on as well when they don’t get a reaction.
And no apology necessary. I’m understandably misunderstood here by those I’ve never had discussions with, so it’s all good. I just like to try to build a report with those who will know my intentions when I come here so that we can talk football in a civilized manner. I don’t talk NC’s (save for the post a while back trying to prove them all wrong, which led to interesting discussion), and I don’t use the term “barner” unless it’s with my good AU friends or my wife (who is one).
Good luck to your team. Cheers.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Don't worry...
That dude is in a league of his own. No confusion will take place on that front.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Little Brother Syndrome ...
… may just fit this new brand of “Auburn Family Auburn Men” that I have learned exists in the 21st century.
There’s not an Auburn person I’ve known — and I’ve known hundreds — who measures him/herself in any way using the University of Alabama as a factor.
They would never sit around and commiserate how much they ‘did’ or ‘did not’ — pull for alabama
The bammers must be laughing this collective asses off
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!
WEA Sez:
“There might be some truth to that theory because I do believe that sometimes there appears to be some degree of an inferiority complex with Auburn as it compares to Alabama.”
Memo to WEA: PHYSICIAN, HEAL THYSELF
Trust me
I’m a doctor.
Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 8, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'm curious WEA ...
… in this instance were you channeling a “Bammer’s-Take-on-Barners” … and, writing the flow of ideology as if it were your own — as you claimed you were doing in your recent “Meltdown” essay?
Or, in this instance were you actually writing your own intellectually produced ideas and are willing to own your own words?
If it’s the latter, won’t you please share with your readers the following?
1. The Top Five ways you and/or other Auburn people that you know think that Auburn University is inferior to the University of Alabama.
2. The Top Five ways you and/or other Auburn people that you know think that an Auburn education and/or the Auburn experience is inferior to that available at the University of Alabama.
No nonsensical rhetorical head-fakes please. Try a little intellectual honesty this time. The truth shall set you free.
Head Fake Coming
I dunno, Xotus. How much more non-emphatical can I be than to use words like sometimes, appears and some? For the record I do not believe that Auburn is inferior to Alabama in the two above-referenced scenarios. What I was merely attempting to say was that I have witnessed examples of the former case. It’s not often, but I do see it—even on here.
If football fans were purely objective, we would realize that the most beneficial path is to see our conference mate win it all. It helps us down the road. What I wanted to find out is if most people can look beyond the initial torrent of razzing they’re going to receive from their friends to try and try to see the big picture. As it turns out, it seems that more folks than I thought are able to do that. Each is free to make their own call. I neither praise nor condemn anyone’s biases. For me, I desire Alabama to win the game, but don’t think it won’t go down like castor oil…
Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 9, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
uhhh...
I’m sorry but i fail to see the logic behind, “If football fans were purely objective, we would realize that the most beneficial path is to see our conference mate win it all.”
By “them winning it all” gives them a leg up in recruiting. And correct me if i’m wrong but recruiting is the life-blood of any program. saban is tough enough to recruit against without him saying that he has won 2 MNC’s. One at LSU and one at UAT.Sure it gives more street cred to the conference, but its impossible to argue that the SEC isn’t the toughest, most respected conference there is NOW. So having alabama lose the MNC won’t take away from that already established fact. The only way for us to lose that credit is to have several years of mediocrity, and thats just not going to happen. If anything its going to get tougher.
By having bama get blown out gives recruits the want to look at other conference schools. Namely the other in-state school. As Auburn is the one school in the SEC that stands to loss the most if alabama does win. This idea that its a win-win situation for both alabama and Auburn if bama wins the MNC is ubsurd. Especially considering that the state recruits are the ones that need to be won over, and having bama’s credibility increase because of a National Championship does nothing but hurt our chances to get those state recruits at Auburn.
Far be it for me to tell anyone who they should or shouldn’t pull for but to use the excuse that it helps Auburn if alabama wins is a lil crazy. Even for you WEA.
Very good
points. I guess I was thinking strategically instead of tactically. Tactically we’re going to have some problems, for sure.
Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 10, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a bit surprised
about the poll results. In my head, I figured about 1/3 for, 2/3 against. Still a tough call.
Auburn Tigers: The leap-frogging'ist bowl team in 2009.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Dec 8, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Should have guessed
this thread would fan the flames. Personally, I no longer live in the state of Alabama nor was I born there so maybe I’m a little detached. Bama’s success against other teams makes us look good (at least when we win or play well)
My Auburn degree did not require me to pledge my unending hate for Bama and so this year I am reserving it for Texas, who, in the recent past, hired away a couple of the best defensive coordinators in college football from AUBURN. I was so excited that Nebraska, who nobody took seriously as a threat to Texas, almost won. If they keep that up and get an offense, they are going to be in the mix again very soon.
Finally, as far as Auburn being in Bama’s shadow, I don’t buy it. I wasn’t a fan when the Bear was around and I don’t give a rip about him or his teams. Any Auburn fan who is holding on this antiquated vision of AU as little brother or second class needs psychiatric help. I went to Auburn and love it and I love many of my old Bama neighbors and friends too and I got no friends in Texas , so GO GET EM TIDE!
by mgizmo2005 on Dec 8, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure there are nice Bama fans somewhere....seems mgizmo knows some...
I just, unfortunately, have never met any in person. (Although there are some that come on here, but then they could just be posting and then bashing us on their home site..as I wouldnt know, I don’t bother visiting them over there) Therefore, I hold to my view that they are made up of a majority of crazy hate filled nut cases… This is my impression of the real majority of Bama fans I have met and conversed with. (and yes I do know some horrible AU fans as well) If AL wins the NC, I will get to hear some more about how we are second rate, never going to compete, cow college, etc etc and despite this, I will root for all SEC teams during the bowel games as I do every year. If AL claims the NC title, I will congratulate them and just let the AL fans be the crazy obnoxious, arrogant Bama fans I have come to know and love :-).
by rn4au on Dec 8, 2009 9:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, there are some "good" Bama fans--
Trouble is, none of the ones I personally know do any postings on message boards…
DWWD -- WDE!
My opinion, RN...
If any fan (Bama or otherwise) cannot be happy enough in victory alone (i.e. they have to find an opposing fan to degrade to really drive the happiness home), they A) don’t have a lot going for them other than college football, or B) they are paying back for prior transgression against them (e.g. six in a row).
Neither is acceptable in my opinion, but the former is a sad individual and likely a fairweather fan, at best; who is more than likely shunned from the true faithful.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Can't really say I care
how Auburn does in their bowl game, other than the fact that my gf graduated auburn and now goes to grad school at bama.
Also it seems like UA 07 douchebag seems to judge UA by fans that probably never went to UA or even college for that matter. Furthermore going to a fancy boarding school doesn’t mean you’re smart, it means you’re rich; as much as bama fans will call au a cow college, really most know that the schools are pretty equal overall. Also being from NYC doesn’t make you smart, there are plenty of people across the spectrum of intelligence in every state.
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