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Saban Honeymoon Over. Tide Fans Have Tasted It


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 Growing Up Fast...

 

I was cleaning out the nightstand last week of old magazines to recycle when I came across one I'd purchased last summer, Yea, Alabama 2008: An Annual Guide to Crimson Tide Football. I remember running across it in the book section at Sam's Club and was drawn to it because it had been compiled by Todd Jones and the guys over at Roll Bama Roll. I thumbed through and despite Todd not including any celebrity hottie centerfold pics, I decided to buy it anyway, probably for the same reason I used to read my girlfriends' Cosmo magazines--because I believed there might be some classified intel the enemy was carelessly leaving unguarded, ready for me to decipher. Yea, that and I thought I was sticking it to them for only paying $7.00--a little over half of the asking cover price! Sticking it to the Man.  I haven't found a bigger bargain on Tide reference material since I bought that VHS of The Bear for one dollar at a garage sale a few years ago.

Overall, I thought they did a real good job on it. They even included some articles by some rival bloggers, although no one from Auburn was represented. That would have been a good gig for Jerry over at the Car Wash.  He's probably more diplomatic than the rest of us, and he doesn't bitch about national championships quite as incessantly as I do. It was fun to go back and reread some of their predictions and hopes for the 2008 season after the fact. Most of it bordered on a lovefest for Saban, but what else could you pin your hopes on after the end-of-season collapse in 2007? Most rational fans, including Barners, knew that Saban was going to turn around Alabama football, but what no one knew was how long it was going to take, or even better, how long the Tide faithful were willing to give. These guys were optimistic, but definitely not to be confused with Nostradamus on their predictions for a time table on turnaround.

Few fans are as fickle as post-Bear Bammers are, and their coaching dysfunction has fed upon itself the last two and a half decades. Once they cut the lineage to Bryant requirement, they should have been fine, but passing flirtations with outsiders Franchione and Price surrounded by costly alumnus hires DeBose and Shula the last decade decimated the Tide. Hey, don't try and blame Tuberville for your woes, you did all that on your own. Most of us have forgotten how desperate Alabama was to get Saban after two painful rebuffs from Spurrier and Rich Rodriguez, mainly because Tide fans haven't quit trying to rub it in everyone's faces, but the 4th and 10 Hail Mary thrown into the end zone in Miami two years ago was caught. Now we're all patiently waiting for the signal from the ref for the call.

Saban's arrival in Tuscaloosa represented a quantum leap in the dynamics of college coaching. Not only was the threshold in salary totally eclipsed, but so was any measure of how much control a head coach should be given. The ramifications to college football with this new coaching arms race still aren't known, even though most fans not wearing Crimson and not named Jimmy Sexton probably believe that it will eventually have a negative effect, even if Saban is madly successful at the Capstone. I wish they had some better cliche's for me to use, but Saban at Alabama appears to be a 'perfect storm'--one that might blow itself out, or blow right through college football.

To be perfectly blunt about it, Saban peaked way too early in his rebuilding efforts with the Tide. By any rational estimate, including most Alabama fans', he was about a year or two ahead of schedule in 2008. Good for him. Most Bammers were understanding in their disappointment in not winning the SEC and losing in the Sugar Bowl. "We didn't expect to get that far"  was the line from a lot of them, but you can't help but wonder if they weren't really starting to accept results like that as a given and be secretly coveting even more. Their joy in knocking Auburn off it's pedestal in the state cannot be underestimated and the Gumps are now looking to start their own collection of fingers.

But let's get back to the original time frame that Saban tacitly received when given his mandate in Tuscaloosa. If he would have told them 10 years, most of them would have bought it, given the state of despair at the time. Most probably thought four years for the Tide's own version of Change You Can Believe In. That's the customary interval for disaster rebuilding as it gives a chance for new recruits to start paying dividends in the system. Some even bemoaned the thought of Saban leaving himself within four years for greener pastures, even though fewer realized that same time frame was basically the average tenure for an Alabama coach the past two decades. And considering the power that Saban was given to run the program, even some believed that he might establish a dynasty in his own right for years to come.

Of all the adjectives you can use to describe Alabama fans, one of the most accurate (and polite) is deserving. Tide fans feel like they deserve gridiron glory. Can't really blame them. They are the most successful team ever in the SEC. They feel like they deserve success as their birth right. Few realize how hard it was to achieve all that. No current undergrad student at UAT was drawing breath in this world when Bear Bryant was alive. To them, he's just a name on a stadium, or a hat style. But most of them fully relish an inherited regal claim on southern dominance they believe is rightfully theirs, and in the end, it may be their downfall. Little is forsaken quicker than that which isn't earned by one's own merit.

So what are the expectations of the fans for this fall? Even better, what about before that? After the Alabama-dominated site Rivals.com hoisted up a recruiting national championship banner for the Tide last year, you better believe the expectations for uber-recruiter Saban were higher this recruiting season--so high that maybe a little scoring controversy was evident. Luckily for the Tide faithful, Saban came through again, further elevating Crimson Tide Pride. But what had that not happened? What if they had only managed a top 20 class? You may laugh, but crimson pride is a very tender thing.

The crowd of 92,000 at the 2007 spring game was unheard of, and served to trumpet the return of dominance in Tuscaloosa. Although last year's spring game had some problems with a concert going off, nobody thought anything of the slight drop-off in attendance. But what about the game in two months? These are the 2008 western division champions. It should be an all-week affair. Will it not be considered abject failure in the minds of naysayers if 100,000 don't show? This is what happens when the bar is set so high, even for something previously thought as mundane as A-Day. Could it not have a ripple effect in the fall, this perceived let-down?

Few Alabama fans think that 2009's team will do anything less than repeat with a December visit to the Georgia Dome and challenge Florida again for the SEC. But what if that doesn't happen? If the Tide fails to win the west, how bad will that be? All the other variables in the equation are known--recruiting, coaching and pride. Just ask them.  But what if the = winning doesn't balance out the other side of the equation? What if the regular season ends 8-4? Who could have seen that coming? That's what 2008 was supposed to be. I think that most Tide fans could stomach it, but it would begin to sow the seeds of doubt in some of the fair weather fans' minds. Slowly but surely...

So where will Alabama fans draw a line? What are the goals for the next three years? Precedent has been established. Saban was in the backwater of Baton Rouge (to Tide Fans) for five years. He won 2 SEC and 1 national crowns. What if he can't win the SEC at the Capstone in five? Or win more than one, much less a MNC? There's not a Gump alive that would want to play second fiddle on a Louisiana Saturday night. No way. Saban's supposed to improve with all the resources at Alabama! Never mind that the SEC is the toughest conference in the land with rapidly improving parity that will make it extremely difficult for repeat champions for the foreseeable future. We haven't had one this decade.

Continued success at Alabama will have to come in spite of the toughest competition the conference has ever seen and in spite of the most critical fans in the business. The expectations are so high for Saban that if he doesn't elevate the program to a point where they contend virtually every year for a MNC, the fans will start to lose faith. They will resent his faltering ,especially considering the vast amount of control he was given. The fans are caught up somewhere in between realistic goals and the yearning of deserved prominence.

Saban has but one option with the Crimson Tide: continue winning at a level unseen in our conference since the days of the Bear, lest he become a victim of his own success and his own hype. There's no letting him off the hook now. The program has been perceived to have been brought so far, so fast. Two more seasons without winning the SEC championship and Saban is done. Many haters would remark flippantly that he would leave for greener pastures before they ran him off, but I think that it will ultimately be by the hand of the Alabama faithful and their boulevard of broken football dreams.

 

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Excellent write up WEA. I couldn’t agree with you more. The Gumps have been given too much too soon…..now the expectations are over the moon. Add to that the RMNC two years running (just ask Rivals)….and the moon just may not be high enough to guage their expectations.

Geaux LSU
Geaux SEC

4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions...

by GeauxTigers0107 on Feb 10, 2009 12:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

In before all the Bammers come yelling.

I will go ahead and quote any Bammer coming here:
“Dude you can’t go a day without mentioning Bama, blah blah blah. You are soooo hung up on Saban and you are soooo scared of Saban, blah blah blah. Auburn fans are the ones hung up on the Bear, not us blah blah blah”

Wait for it….

by Mattco on Feb 10, 2009 5:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If the shoe fits

WEA … your adjective — deserving — is spot on, at least according to my grandfather.

He used to describe the Alabama fans’ defining attribute this way …

“Those band-wagon-fans of that school next to Bryce’s Insane Asylum are the only people I know who can walk around with an intense sense of superiority and an overwhelming sense of entitlement — all at the same time.”

My ol’ granddad knew his Bammers. :-)

by xotus on Feb 10, 2009 7:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

MY Old Grandad...

…I kept in a bottle hidden under my bed…

My favorite expression that seems to fit: Born on third and thought they hit a triple…

I’m not hating on Saban. what I was trying to say was that eventually, the Saban experiment will end in tears. Of course, most coaching stints do…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 10, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The funny thing is bammer is copying post......

here and pasting them over there for there amusement. Those post typically have to do with our predictions for AU and Bama for next season…..this is the funny part. They apparently really do think that they are in reload mode already with satan and that they are the odds on favorite to win the west next year……..thats pretty damned funny, I don’t care who your are. They have completely written us as having any chance of being good………after all we did go 5-7 last season right? we couldn’t possibly be any good this season. Typical bammers looking through crimson colored glasses without a hint of reasoning in their pointy little heads.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 9:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Trollin, trollin , trollin

KEEP THEM BAMMERS TROLLIN, ROLL TARD!!

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 10, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I've said on TET several times before...

That’s when AU is at its best — when no one expects anything out of us. WDE!

What do an Auburn fan and a bammer have in common? (Neither of them ever attended u.a.t.).

by AUshorecm on Feb 10, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They apparently really do think that they are in reload mode already with satan

No offense, but how could Bama NOT reload after two #1 recruiting classes? Please tell. Don’t spin the argument with a generalized statement about me or Bama fans. Just simply argue why you think Bama has not reloaded.

by brandonh on Feb 10, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And just to make sure you know...

You just proved the entire point of War Eagle Atlanta’s article. He wasn’t laughing at me saying you forgot the blah blah blah part. I must admit, that was rather lame. However, thanks for doing War Eagle Atlanta’s work for him.

by Sparkey on Feb 10, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your o line is

made up of monsters that is for sure. I think the roster is pretty strong with one exception. How do you feel y’all will be at QB next year? Who is starting?
 I know there was a love hate thing going on with bammers and JPW, but with him gone change can be very scary.
I’ve tried to get a sense of y’alls feelings on the QB deal at RBR, but with all the other stuff that s been going on I am having trouble finding anything. Would you consider yourselves reloaded at that position or hoping you are reloaded?

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 10, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Our QB situation depends on who steps up in the spring. I have heard everything from McElroy is sure to start to Star is worthless because he can’t grasp the offense. McElroy showed last season he has what it takes to at least manage the game (JPW), but hopefully we have the talent to go beyond that.

My biggest worry is the OL. No matter how big the players coming in are they will not be close to what last year’s line was. And if we don’t have a functioning line, we will be depending on our defense to win games.

So to answer your question, we are hoping to be reloaded.

by brandonh on Feb 10, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So in one post you seem to think....

you are in reload mode and in a subsequent post you admit that there are thin areas. So either you are schizophrenic or you don’t understand what it means to be in reload. Look at USC for the past 6 years and you will understand what reload means. LSU was in reload mode and will likely continue after the bump in the road last year at QB. AU had been in reload mode until Tuberville tried to change offensive philosphies which resulted in a complete team meltdown and coaching change. The thing about all of these programs is that it took more than two recruiting classes to get there. You should know if you are reloading or not…..who is your backup left tackle, center, guard, QB, etc… the ones that you know are the replacement that will fill the gap left behind. When you can answer that and not feel unsure or foolish about your answer……you are in reload mode.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When did I say reload mode?

I didn’t. To deny that we are in the process of becoming a team with depth shows that you are looking through “orange and blue colored glasses”.

by brandonh on Feb 10, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

uhhhh.......

No offense, but how could Bama NOT reload after two #1 recruiting classes?

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ohh

Burned by your own words

Gotta Love those "classy" Tide Detergent Box Hats

by auskip07 on Feb 10, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boom, roasted...

Am I the only fan of The Office on this damn site? Help a corndog out!

by LSU Jonno on Feb 10, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Too busy grilling my foot

or looking for my fun jeans. Or drinking Kamakazis (one part eggnog, three parts sake! Most places wont make it for you cause..it’s seasonal)

What Would Don Draper Do?

by BamaReturns07 on Feb 11, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FFS

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RELOADING IN TWO DIFFERENT SENSES. DELUDE YOURSELF ALL YOU WANT, BUT THAT DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACT THAT AUBURN CAN’T SPELL DEPTH RIGHT NOW AND BAMA JUST FINISHED IT’S SECOND #1 RECRUITING CLASS.

by brandonh on Feb 10, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do I get the sense...

that brandonh’s profile picture is actually him…currently.

by LSU Jonno on Feb 10, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he needs changing and his pacifier....

seems to be a little cholicky as well.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Did we just get off of probation that I didn’t realize we were on? I wish I could buy you for what you know about college football and sell you for what you think you know.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish you could...

post on one topic without reverting back to me or Bama fans. You can’t. And I don’t know why I ever expected you to.

by brandonh on Feb 10, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't like the topics

,,,,,then leave and don’t come back.

by James4au on Feb 11, 2009 7:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

I asked him a question. He couldn’t answer it, but he could run his mouth about fans or me. Reading comp helps.

by brandonh on Feb 11, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh intelligent one (brandonh)

,,,,the topics are for Auburn people because this is an Auburn blog. They are not designed for bammers yet bammers continuosly come to our site.

If you cannot follow multiple conversations (topics) then leave and don’t come back. If you don’t like the topics, then leave and don’t come back.

Better yet, we don’t care what you like. Just leave and don’t come back.

by James4au on Feb 11, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I answered your question and then some...

what question did I leave unanswered for you maybe I can type slower for you next time.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither do I....

but hell I can’t be expected to extrapolate further on every issue just because he doesn’t understand.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For you brandonh.....

this is what popped up when I googled the subject. While this is a recent article the terms have been used to describe college football teams long before your pointy little head graced this world. Read and learn.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/49575-do-college-football-teams-rebuild-or-reload

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This article has nothing to do with what you were arguing.

I don’t have time to lay it all out because I don’t care anymore. But don’t try to pull this article in like it supports your BS theory of “reload mode”.

And I’ll give you one example from the article:

the players formerly behind the stars stepped up and became stars themselves. If a team is able to consistently do this every year, they will be successful.

You stated that Bama is not in this position, yet we have talent that will step up in all positions. Much better talent than AU. You are operating under some wild assumptions that you can’t back up.

Now go ahead and respond with a derogatory argument that you wouldn’t dare say to anyone’s face in public. Or state I don’t know anything of football. Or tell me to got back RBR. Whatever your reply, you are wrong and your BS is amusing.

by brandonh on Feb 11, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh My God.....

I just thought it might help you understand the vernacular. And no Bama is not in that position yet….not when you are forced to play freshman at key positions because of a lack of depth….you are impossible.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this

is all a matter of opinion. brandonh is of the opinion that bama has the talent to fill the vacancies in the lineup and still have depth on the bench.

Shockingly (note the sarcasm), most Auburn folks here do not believe that. This is either because they actually just don’t believe it or because they refuse to because it is bama and the idea of them being as good as last year makes us all want to vomit on their houndstooth hats.

Personally, I think bama will be reloaded in their starting positions, but i believe the jury is out on depth. Bama was lucky that they didn’t have to go to their bench too much last season or they would have been in trouble (i think even brandonh will concede that). The queston now is, is there still a lack of depth on the sidelines or not?

if bama gets through another season almost injury free i will be shocked. they will need some depth to have the season many bammers are predicting they will have.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And you elicit derogatory responses....

simply by coming over here and being yourself. And as far as your knowledge of CFB goes you have constantly demonstrated a lack of it. I do wish you would go away and be a turd somewhere else.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude you came here....

and got into the middle of our thread not the other way around if you don’t like it then tough shyte little man.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Because it takes more than 2 classes to get there......

thats why.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Todd so how many classes does it officially take …go get your b.s. binder and look up the details before you start generalizing and debating over whether alabama is “reloading” or rebuilding" cant we be doing both simultaneously. Is not reloading your team with talent every year part of the never ending cycle that a program must follow to be successful. When and I do mean When we get our next championship I will welcome you all to the bandwagon.

by IRONBOWL on Feb 11, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How many licks

does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop? No one can answer these kinds of questions

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't have to tell me about your "bandwagon"....

it can be witnessed in trailor parks across the state. I am old enough to have seen Bama win most of their legitimate NC’s and have never felt the need to join then, so what makes you think I would “dumb” myself down were it to happen again? If Satan keeps recruiting and developing players at his current rate I would say that you are still at least a year away if not 2 years away from not having to deal with depth issues. Last season he did a nice job of recruiting and building experience at LB this season he appears to be focusing on O-line which is the most glaring depth problem. Get through this season without injuries like you did last season and it won’t be an issue…..but that was a fluke and you know it.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude you can’t go a day without mentioning Bama. You are soooo hung up on Saban and you are soooo scared of Saban. Auburn fans are the ones hung up on the Bear, not us

by brandonh on Feb 10, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice

The artist formerly known as...
Mr Redbird @ Viva El Birdos
PowerOfDixieland @ Track Em Tigers, other SEC blogs

by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

You really ARE a broken record. Nice.

by Rene4AU on Feb 10, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Awwwww

Someone sounds cranky. You must’ve missed your nap today.

by Rene4AU on Feb 11, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He can't help it.

He has been up all day bragging.

by James4au on Feb 11, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Brandonh...

We already beat you to the punch. After one good year, you can’t be in reload mode just yet. If you have another great season, then it will be reload mode. One good year does not constitute established dominance yet. Furthermore, your question at quarterback could make next year be worse than what you expect. In recruiting, yes it seems as though you’ve had another great year. With that said, no one knows how good recruits are going to be until they actually step on the field. You could say you’re in reload mode as far the recuiting battle goes, I will give you that. Unfortunately, recruiting doesn’t always constitute a great season. If you’re talking about in reload mode as a seasonal thing with 10-2 type seasons every year, then it takes time before you can claim that. Both LSU and Florida have established that much of a right with Georgia not far off. In a couple of years if you’re atop the whole SEC or close to it, then you can claim reload mode.

by Sparkey on Feb 10, 2009 12:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I believe that was the joke

notice the use of “Dude” at the beginning. Well played brandonh.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 10, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Article by the way War Eagle Atlanta

I now have pensman envy. I rarely say that, but I couldn’t have written a better article on this topic no matter how much time I put into it. You hit the nail on the head my man.

by Sparkey on Feb 10, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I guess...

the real point I was trying to make was that Saban will eventually be a victim of his own success, even more so than Tuberville was. If there’s another thing that Bammers are better at than Barners, it’s running off coaches…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 10, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Their expectations are very high.....

that is for sure. And the SEC west is getting tougher everyday.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this blog makes me sad.

by suicidewatch on Feb 10, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

No football for months makes me sad......

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me about it.....

my business is consulting and planning for land development……..my phone has quit ringing.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 10, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Job market sucks, too

I’m finishing my Master’s in May, just in time for no available jobs. Lucky me.

by Rene4AU on Feb 11, 2009 1:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope...

…you’re not thinking about killing yourself over it, right?

If you get depressed, just look at that pic above with the baby in the elephant suit. That right there will make everything alright again.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 10, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i live in a college town with zero job market

football season needs to hurry up and come back before Athens falls into a hole in the Earth.

by suicidewatch on Feb 10, 2009 3:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

join a band

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 10, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that this is a well wrtten article, even if I don’t entirely agree. True, there are some Bammers out there that will be pissed if we don’t have an SEC title in three years, but we also realize how freakin’ awesome LSU and Ole Miss could be. Miles had a great recruiting class, and Ole Miss could end up being very good. I don’t believe the average Bama fan will will be starting a firenicksaban website anytime soon. We like to win, period. Losing sucks, but when it’s to an undefeated Utah, or SEC champ Florida, the hurt is less because we lost to quality opponents. The shit that will get you fired in T Town is repeated losses to teams that we should beat,like La tech, La Monroe, etc. I agree that if Saban loses to North Texas and whateverhighschoolteam on the schedule, there will be some ticked off Tide fans. But a season with losses to LSU, maybe Ole Miss and Vag Tech, considering we’re trying out a new QB and how young our team is, would be totally acceptable. We don’t win the SEC West, but we win 8 or 9 games. That’s huge considering what we’ve been through the past decade or so. For the Who will be QB question, none of us know. I am excited about AJ McCarron, though. He’s kinda scrawny, and looks 14 years old, but his highlights are sick. Star or GMac will start, but AJ might see some time. Avoiding the reloading debate, Bammers are totaly psyched about our recruits. DJ Fluker gives small children nightmares (6’7" 350 and runs a 4.9 forty). Trent Richardson looks like Lil Wayne on Steroids,and can flat out scoot. You guys nabbed some good recruits considering, all the coaching changes. Looking forward to the 2009 season.

by rolltidefromaz on Feb 10, 2009 9:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well said and reasonable.....

which is kind of amazing considering what we’re used to from brandonh and his type that usually troll over here.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Reload Issue"

Correct me if I am wrong, but when I think about “reload” I think about being in the process of obtaining more ammunition. You guys can argue all day about whether alabama has completed the process of reloading but at the end of the day we are in reload mode ( 2 #1 classes should suffice ) It is not as if my bama buddy said we were in LOAD mode which to me would significantly articulate that we have already achieved the depth level that means we need to stop reloading. So auburn fans unite, Jealousy is the common thread holding this thread together.

by IRONBOWL on Feb 11, 2009 9:26 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

No you ass clown.....

I even spell it out for you above and you still don’t get it. This would typically be called a rebuild year for bama since they are replacing so many integral positions…..I know thats hard for you to understand. Reload is when you plug and place players and never miss a beat. Now do you think you will be as good a team this season with the new QB and 3/5’s new O-line? If so then you are in reload mode…if not then you are in a rebuild year. Keep having successful recruiting classes and you should be in reload mode in a year or so…but not yet. Consider yourself corrected.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you spell pretentious
AU had been in reload mode until Tuberville tried to change offensive philosphies which resulted in a complete team meltdown and coaching change. The thing about all of these programs is that it took more than two recruiting classes to get there
So let me get this straight Auburn was in reload mode because they had more than 2 good classes. Alabama’s last 4 classes all were within the top 11 I believe, definately the past three were in the top ten. So we are reloading empty spots with talented recruits, you can call it rebuild or whatever makes you feel better todd, but I would rather be an ass clown UA fan any day rather than you. Consider yourself served. tool

by IRONBOWL on Feb 11, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

last time I checked only your last 2 classes were in the top 10

although I believe Shula may have had 1 class in the top 10 during his tenure. And Bama whether you like it or not just has gotten over the probation problems…..problems that caused a lack of depth at several key positions last season which made it necessary to play freshman. Depth problems that were never exposed because of unusually good fortune with injuries. Served? You immature little douche you wouldn’t know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to objectively looking at college football because you are one of the dumb asses that thinks your team is gonna be the undefeated every year regardles of the circumstances. You Ass Clown.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice way to show your class

by using that language, but that’s what happens when you have no argument.

by brandonh on Feb 11, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe I made my point quite effectively....

the ass clown moniker fits him so I use it at my discretion.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Audacity of hope

Ok Saban has had 3 recruiting classes with us thus far #1 #1 #10 two before that were #2lsu #1lsu… so we can argue over the definition of reload, or rebuild, or retodd ( i mean retard sorry there goes another typo by the bama grad…..but the truth is that it is a bunch of schematics to distract the reality that is the dismal state of your program….Lets recap ….on UA’s front everything is going great no critic can argue are ascent to the top has begun…on AU’s front everything sucks….horrible hire …horrible athletic director….horrible history….grim outlook….ugly wives….poor economic state amongst your fans as a whole and Todd has even more limitations that we get into bc this is a family site =) So if I was a pathetic auburn fan I too would write articles about how I hope that Alabama gets rid of the coach of the year because i just got through writing the article on how the coach of the year is going to leave alabama….keep hoping in one hand and Sh#$ing in the other and see which fills up 1st…..I cant believe todd had the audacity to downplay our expectations of greatness….we strive to be the best we have higher standards that beating up little brother……maybe if you guys raised the programs targets a little higher you too would have more success. And thanks for that 92 on the name todd your making me nostalgic

by IRONBOWL on Feb 11, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And you spell pretentious.....

BAMA.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're so full of it

You pull out some “reload mode” BS like you write the dictionary on college football. Bama will “plug and place players” just like every team in the nation. No team in the nation ever replaces a player and fails to miss a beat. But because we haven’t dominated like LSU and USC (which are horrible examples to support your theory) has the in the last decade we aren’t in some fictitious “reload mode”. Go spit your fabricated football theories at your mom, I’m sure she would be proud. but the rest of us can see through it.

Maybe you should also write another signature referencing Bama, so cute.

by brandonh on Feb 11, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Reload and rebuild....

have been used in football discussions since before you were born so get over it……or better yet get out of here.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Todd92, why do you feed the trolls?

They are like rats. As soon as the food is gone they move on.

by Jumpn_JackFlash on Feb 11, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know.....

but the little turd is so freaking ignorant I can’t help but point it out.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As a Georgia fan, I'm neutral...

….but the truth of the matter guys is that Alabama IS getting back to full strength. Heck, Ole Miss is going to be a tough game. The SEC is just too full of talent and great coaches.

I always pulled for Auburn against Alabama (mostly) because it seemed they looked down their noses at you (plus I was proud of Pat Dye). But I think it will be a long time before you see a 6 game win streak again……..I sense (wince) that Alabama may return the favor the next 4 or 5 years.

Suicide Watch,

You could always contract a hit on that idiot president of ours Michael Adams. I know several thousand UGA Alums who would pay you well to get rid of that arrogant fill in the blank. What a disgrace!! I would like to punch him in the face just for how he treated Coach Dooley.

by JEFFCODAWG on Feb 11, 2009 10:03 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

You would figure...

that Bernie Machen might contribute to that cause since Adams stole his playoff idea one year later…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 11, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This was ag ood article

and it started out as a good thread. It is a shame it has degenerated into this usual bammer/barner bs. I think both sides are to blame, btu it doesn’t really matter.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As soon as you saw the content of the article....

you had to know that they would come. I never intended to get caught up in a discussion of Reload vs. Rebuild. When I made the statement I assumed the statement stood without the need for clarity….clarity which was ignored in the usual “bama can’t be anything but superior” attitude. So much for trying.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bama can not be anything superior compared to Auburn (statistically speaking) If you look at accomplishments across the board, unless UA falls into a black hole and pops back up in bizarro world where AU actually runs a good program and gets Tubs back then it is not the attitude you should grow weary of Todd but instead it is the REALITY that you should acknowledge. I understand that you retreat to this site as a way to ESCAPE the reality that is your pathetic life. I Also understand you band together and hope and analyze anything amongst a group of your fellow loser buds to take the attention off the current situation that is not changing anytime soon. TODD11 or possibly TODD10 will need to be the updated screen name

by IRONBOWL on Feb 11, 2009 2:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well you

covered why Todd retreats to this site. What is your damn excuse? Is your life going so awesome that despite having a good team, a number one recruiting class, and apparently having already won the sec west next year that you still feel the need to go to ANOTHER TEAMS SITE to talk trash.

FYI, I bring up the coming to our site thing because this dip shit brought it up firsy so save your comments on that.

Oh and IRON BOWL, did I say YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE?

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAH

Bama can not be anything superior compared to Auburn (statistically speaking) If you look at accomplishments …You still aren’t helping your case man. In this case, you left out an essential “But” that made the rest of your post meaningless. Come on man, if you’re going to bring it, make sure you make some sense next time.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I forgot your quotations on
Bama can not be anything superior compared to Auburn
but Todd the auburn fan with the ugly wife knows who I am sending it to…and yes that would be a low blow and uncalled for it I did not actually know what is wife looked like a pic is coming soon

by IRONBOWL on Feb 11, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I regret ever marrying that whore of a sister of yours.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

bringing the guys wife into it. YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. I’ve been staying out of this, but YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE, I just have to say it.

BTW, can you tell me what the hell this statement is supposed to mean, “Bama can not be anything superior compared to Auburn (statistically speaking) If you look at accomplishments”?

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...

How about we end this thread please? It has degenerated into nothing. When wives and sisters are getting thrown in the mix you’ve gone too far.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 2:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Todd dont let him get to you physical looks are fleeting I am sure for whatever your wife is lacking that Ironbowl calls her out on she probably is making up for it with a great personality and she is probably super nice but I will have to hold out to see this picture before I make my final judgement

by The Voice of Reason on Feb 11, 2009 2:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I know how the managers of the site will end this thread...

Ironbowl why don’t you prove you’re man and stop running your mouth about other stuff. You’re nothing but a little bitch boy who works as a fluffer for Nick “The Dick” Saban. Open wide and import cock into your mouth IronBowl. I don’t know what you look like, but grow some balls on you and be a man. Name the time and place and I’ll meet you there. I’m coming you piece of utter dog shit and I’m bringing hell with me.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 3:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be so sure of that

getting this thread shut down. the managers prefer you to vent online rather than go out and shoot someone, or in IRONBOWL’s case, beat up your own wife.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DAMNIT

I tried. Oh well it was worth a shot.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 3:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How about a corny joke to ease the tension?

A mushroom walks into a bar and asks the bartender for a beer. The bartender says, “Sorry, we don’t serve mushrooms.” The mushroom looks back at the bartender and says “Why not? I’m a fun guy!”

Read it aloud and consult a biology book if you don’t get it at first.

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by jd is legend on Feb 11, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ba dum ch

A horse walks into a bar and the bartender says hey why the long face

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why can lesbians wear make up and diet at the same time?

Because it is hard to eat Jenny Craig with Mary K on your face.

by Jumpn_JackFlash on Feb 11, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Husband and wife are waiting at the bus stop with their nine children. A blind man joins them after a few minutes. When the bus arrives, they find it overloaded and only the wife and the nine kids are able to fit onto the bus. So the husband and the blind man decide to walk. After a while, the husband gets irritated by the ticking of the stick of the blind man as he taps it
on the sidewalk, and says to him, ‘Why don’t you put a piece of rubber at the end of your stick? That ticking sound is driving me crazy.’

The blind man replies, ‘If you had put a rubber at The end of YOUR stick, we’d be riding the bus,
so shut the hell up.’

by Jumpn_JackFlash on Feb 11, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll keep that up...

“Doctor, my arm hurts really bad when I do this.” The doctor replies, “Well stop doing that then.”

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Observation

I usually read RBR all the time this is the first time visiting your site and looking back on threads and members who are very active in attemping to put up informative and classy posts I must say that Sparkey and Todd92 you guys are both really kinda pathetic I mean from the jump IRONBOWL was a dousche and never swayed but you guys flip flop from participating in a nice blog to being part of the problem. I would not be surprised if you were both very sad individuals who are going to have to look in the mirror when you walk away from the computer in a moment and really reflect on the sadness that is your life …AU affiliations aside

by The Voice of Reason on Feb 11, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You truly are...

a voice of reason. It’s sad that someone (no matter what type of fan) can’t come here and have discussion.

by brandonh on Feb 11, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dude I was in the middle of thanking you for the.....

moral prop about my spouse of which that turdbowl guy neither knows nor has pictures of but I guess you figured that out you seeming to be halfway intelligent and all. As far as the rationale conversation part I love nothing more but some days its hard to accomplish with the likes of the trolling bammers that come here just to spread the hate. I will be the first to admit I sink to a lower level by engaging them but then again this is our site and they invite it. As far as your admonishing Sparkey and I, don’t really care either way, you are mistaken in your assessment of me and I would be willing to bet you are mistaken about Sparkey. If you would like to come here and have a civil conversation without the crap you are welcome as far as I am concerned. If you wish to come over here and troll like Ironbowl and brandonh…then don’t expect the warmest of greetings from me.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ha

I was trying to get this degeneration of what we call a thread stopped. I guess nobody took notice of that. Sad…no I’m not really sad my friend. I didn’t get fumed UNTIL the guy brought Todd’s wife into it. I am an American by fate and Southern by the grace of God. I felt inclined to turn the focus on me and away from Todd’s wife which has no place in this whole thing. Go ahead, attack me. I’m a man. I’m not even 40 or 30 for that matter.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I understood what you were doing

and i will say that Sparkey, until that post which apparently went over everyone’s heads, he has never said anything inappropriate. If anything HE has been ‘the voice of reason" when things have gotten out of hand. VOR you are wrong about Sparkey, but you prob don’t care either way.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Civil conversation? You gotta be kidding me.
but some days its hard to accomplish with the likes of the trolling bammers that come here just to spread the hate.
If you would like to come here and have a civil conversation without the crap you are welcome as far as I am concerned.
you are schizophrenic or you don’t understand what it means to be in reload.
I wish I could buy you for what you know about college football and sell you for what you think you know.
No you ass clown…..
You immature little douche you wouldn’t know your ass from a hole in the ground
the ass clown moniker fits him so I use it at my discretion.

by brandonh on Feb 11, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

voice of treason

so you are a bama fan and you have the backs of these tigers huh you my friend are weak..and Sparkey you are one of those fans that did not even attend AU why you tell us? but you are a pathetic loser with bama envy WE RUN THE STATE GET USED TO IT MOST CHAMPIONSHIPS MOST BOWL APPEARANCES MOST BOWL WINS MOST 10 WIN SEASONS BACK 2 BACK #1 CLASSES UNDEFEATED 08 REGULAR SEASON SOUNDS GOOD DONT IT

by IRONBOWL on Feb 11, 2009 3:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Another well worded post thanks

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Learn some punctuation...

then we might know what you’re trying to say. I am a Bama fan too, but that simple fact doesn’t put me on your side. Get your head right, then post. Otherwise this kind of crap doesn’t fly.

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Feb 11, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IRONBOWL....

Despite the truth embedded in your incoherant attack babble, you should try to communicate with a purpose. If you want to watch yourself type go to Microsoft Word. If you want to get someone to listen to your point, dont attack them. Dont use big words when you talk to little kids. Common sense on a lot of this. At least i can respect the fact that you never changed who you truly are which is a passionate alabama fan with the micro fuse ready to blow at the first sign of orange and the common sense (lack of) that leads you here of all places to rant try www.makebamafanslooksbadbybeingadousche.com and no Todd and Sparkey you cant make a spin off site for AU nor change TRT’s URL

by The Voice of Reason on Feb 11, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I have no intent and you misspelled "douche".....

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

I did attend AU.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This may sound crazy

but I can do all the analysis for my own team myself or with a group of dear friends at a bar…..I usually check tide sites just to confirm new stories or keep up with news….but I really do enjoy hearing what the “enemy” if you will has to say about us….It is interesting ….I cannot deny it …..maybe its right maybe its wrong maybe its trolling but I have an interest not only in why UA is so great but also what barners think about us being so great or just their inability to reason with reason…..So I applaud you Todd for staying calm as long as you could…who knows more than likely IRONBOWL probably mistakenly hit a touchy subject talking about your wifes physical credentials…..but I lost a lot of (not 2 much b/c you hadnt earned much) respect for your opinion and thoughfulness when you took the cant beat them join them mentality clown ass

by The Voice of Reason on Feb 11, 2009 3:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This may sound crazy

but I can do all the analysis for my own team myself or with a group of dear friends at a bar…..I usually check tide sites just to confirm new stories or keep up with news….but I really do enjoy hearing what the “enemy” if you will has to say about us….It is interesting ….I cannot deny it …..maybe its right maybe its wrong maybe its trolling but I have an interest not only in why UA is so great but also what barners think about us being so great or just their inability to reason with reason…..So I applaud you Todd for staying calm as long as you could…who knows more than likely IRONBOWL probably mistakenly hit a touchy subject talking about your wifes physical credentials…..but I lost a lot of (not 2 much b/c you hadnt earned much) respect for your opinion and thoughfulness when you took the cant beat them join them mentality clown ass

by The Voice of Reason on Feb 11, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I neither desire not live for your respect.....

I hope that doesn’t burst your bubble too much. But like I said if you would like to come here and have a civil conversation I will enjoy it…….and refrain from calling you an ass clown (although that moniker is now and for ever taken by one of your peers. If you wish to come here just to stir the pot then you will not be taken seriously at least by me. If you continue to visit I guess we will get to see what kind of bammer you are and after a while maybe your opinion and your respect might actually count for something.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"desire nor live"

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sparkey

Sorry I just got a mental picture of you being a loyal puppy dog attacking someone who has offended your owner…..not joking …..just being honest maybe its the screen name sparkey dunno just had this vision of you being like a mini clifford anywaz good luck every game except the IRONBOWL…and no that is not a shout out dousche

by The Voice of Reason on Feb 11, 2009 3:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I got the nicknamme from being loyal...

However, I wouldn’t call me a puppy dog, then again that doesn’t hurt with the ladies either. Hahah, take care of yourself and I always react in a ferocious manner when someone who is really helpless and unknowing is brought into the whole thing.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 3:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

My wife is anything but helpless....

she is small but she’s dangerous, lol.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I meant helpless in the sense that she’s not around.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was making light of the incident...

thanks for stepping in.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I got the drift

Hahaha, I’m short myself.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Voice of Reason

while we are on the subject of screen names, could you have possibly come up with anything more narcissistic or self righteous? Do you truly believe you are the voice of reason or is this something that comes from your sense of entitlement as a bama fan?

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

I normally like to chime in on these type discussions, but it appears this one went south quickly, so I’ll just wait for the next thread to come around…

"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

by TopDaddy on Feb 11, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

sorry bout that.....

maybe next time.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 11, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha,

That usually happens, though this time I think Ironbowl really brought the spiral downard all too soon.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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