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Who Are the Most Prevalent Rivals in the SEC?

 

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Four weeks ago, we had a poll here at TET trying to determine who our 3rd biggest rival behind Alabama and Georgia was. I had seen a similar poll over at Dawgsports the week before, and it got me wondering who might be each SEC team's top conference rival, what overlap existed, and who was the most prevalent team that appeared. So like the Clinton Administration used to do, I put some polls in the field over at our SB sister blogs in order to get a general idea of who fans from the conference felt was their three biggest conference rivals. I then used that information to bolster what I already knew about southern rivalries to come up with the data for this thread.

Keep in mind that although I attempted to use an (admittingly weak) statistical sampling, the results are not exactly what any person would call scientific. With college football fans being the passionate folks that they are, you can ask ten of them from one team a question and get eleven different answers, so just remember that before you pepper me with double-aught buckshot. My thanks to the administrators of our sister blogs for allowing me and assisting me to post the polls as Fanposts on their sites. Believe it or not, the biggest response came from Roll Bama Roll, so mad props to their fans for their cooperation in the spirit of de'tente.

 

WEST RANKINGS:

AUBURN:  1) Alabama 2) Georgia 3) LSU   There's little doubt that the purple Tigers are now our third biggest rival, with historic series with Florida and Tennessee no longer on an annual basis. Although the Tiger cousins had shared the same conferences together for 97 years prior to the realignment of 1992, they had only played 26 times. Virtually every other game in this series gets branded with a nickname. Here's to making up for lost time!

ALABAMA: 1) Auburn 2) Tennessee 3) LSU  Bama's rivalries within the conference are legendary and virtually written in stone. None were affected by the realignment. The series with Auburn and Tennessee are statistically close, with the Tide winning 54% of the games against both, but Alabama has distanced LSU over the years, almost winning twice as many games as the Tigers, 44-23-5. Alabama is also the top rival for three other SEC teams, a record in this poll.

ARKANSAS: 1) LSU 2) Ole Miss 3) Alabama  One of the new kids on the block, Arkansas' old Southwest conference ties cause it to be on no other SEC team's top three rivals list, but look for that to change once Arkansas is granted statehood. The Razorbacks always seem to play Alabama and Auburn tough, so perhaps those rivalries will gain stature over time.

LSU:  1) Alabama 2) Auburn 3) Florida  The Cajuns seem to have an infatuation with both teams from the Yellowhammer state, but maybe that's just because they're so lonely down there on the Bayou, being the only big fish in the pond. Auburn just barely edged Florida in the rankings despite the Gator-Purple Tiger series being the most intense new inter-divisional rivalry in the conference. The Tiger-Tiger rivalry seems to be one born of respect so far, the occasional incidental chop-block notwithstanding...

OLE MISS: 1) Miss State 2) LSU 3) Tennessee  The Rebel's third slot with the Vols was a toss-up with Arkansas. Although UM had played the Razorbacks many times during their old SWC days, the series with Tennessee is longer and more intense for the Rebs. Ole Miss still isn't represented on the SB nation. We're looking forward to that, Colonel Reb.

MISSISSIPPI STATE: 1) Ole Miss 2) Alabama 3) LSU  State, too,  has a long relationship with teams from the state of Alabama, but LSU gets the nod for third place over Auburn probably because that series is roughly 20 games longer and the Bulldogs have a much better winning percentage against the purple Tigers. MSU's series duration with it's chief rivals has indeed outlasted the cows coming home.

 

EAST RANKINGS:

FLORIDA: 1) Georgia 2) Tennessee 3) LSU  The Game Where You Can't Mention Alcohol Anymore ranks among the top rivalries in CFB and is the second-oldest neutral-site game out there. Florida is distinct because it's two other biggest series are basically new rivalries since 1992. FL-TN was big in the 1990's and the annual FL-LSU matchup now serves as a perfect counter-weight for both BCS National Championship winners from this century.

GEORGIA: 1) Florida 2) Auburn 3) Tennessee  Although Dawg fans are enjoying a growing intensity with the Vols, that rivalry is merely in it's infancy compared to Georgia's Top Two historic series. The Aformentioned Game Where You Can't Mention Alcohol and The Deep South's Oldest Rivalry take a back seat to none for the Bulldogs. Georgia's most intense rivalry, arguably Georgia Tech, warrants footnote status as the two did share conferences for roughly 70 years. But like most divorces, one ends up with the house and the other a trailer  the ACC.

KENTUCKY: 1) Tennessee 2) S.Carolina 3) Vanderbilt  The series with the Gamecocks occupies 2nd place in spite of these two teams having only met thrice before the conference expansion. South Carolina and Vandy are virtually interchangeable with the Wildcats and might not be very far ahead of Georgia. The Cats and the Gators can't be under-stated either, with Kentucky gathering strength under Rich Brooks the last few years.

SOUTH CAROLINA: 1) Georgia 2) Tennessee 3) Florida  USC is the second of the New Kids on the Block, being Donnie Wahlberg to Arkansas' Marky Mark.  However, unlike the Hogs, the Cocks are second cousins with most of their conference stablemates, having some history there, especially with Georgia. Tennessee is probably a solid #2, with Florida and Arkansas probably neck and neck. The Hogs and the Cocks were alien species in the barnyard, having never played prior to joining the SEC in 1992.

TENNESSEE: 1) Alabama 2) Florida 3) Georgia  The Third Saturday in October trumps all others for the Vols, but like Florida, Tennessee shares the fact that it's second and third rivalries are relatively new, as they didn't have significant history with Florida or Georgia prior to the realignment. (lending further evidence to my theory that Tennessee should have been in the west division) Alas, Rocky Top winds up as two other schools' biggest rival and as Miss Congeniality on many more. Many Vols believe that Florida might eventually be supplanted by the nascent border war with Georgia.

VANDERBILT: 1) Tennessee 2) Kentucky 3) S.Carolina  What a difference a century makes. Vandy goes from being the entire (SIAA) conference's rival who no one can beat, to being the perpetual caboose of the modern day SEC. Glad they stuck with us. No one defends the much-maligned Commodores more than her sister schools, except for maybe Lionel Richie. Really, only Kentucky has a mutual rivalry with Vanderbilt at this time. Tennessee doesn't generally give them the time of day, (except in 2005).

 

So if you assign a simple point value of 3 for being someone's top rival, 2 for being second, and 1 for third, you come up with the Top Six:

1) Tennessee: 14 points

2) Alabama: 12 points

T-3rd) Georgia, LSU: 9 points

T-5th) Auburn, Florida: 7 points

It seems that the results closely mirror the all-time standings in conference winning percentage, which is historically Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia, respectively.  This group of three enjoy a comfortable lead over the next gang. Although I fully expected the Tide to be the most prevalent rival, Tennessee's dominance in it's own state and neighboring states, in addition to having new heated rivalries with division stablemates, pushes her above Alabama for the crown.

The tie for numbers 3-6 is especially fitting since those three schools are in a statistical dead-heat for the 3rd through 6th best all-time SEC winning percentages. After 2007, Auburn was barely ahead of LSU and Florida, respectively, but after the 2008 season, Florida has now edged LSU and Auburn. Welcome to the SEC!!

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Nice work, man.

Thanks for doing all of this.

by Hooper on Feb 17, 2009 6:15 AM CST reply actions  

Not that I am a tebow fan.....or want to be the most hated ( I mean #1 rival)

The scoring set up reminds me of the Heisman Trophy. You can add up 2nd and 3rd all you want but in the end whoever dominates the #1 spot in my eyes holds more weight than who has a million 3rds or seconds….but i digress…..Although being the #1 rival while having the #1 position on rivals is quite ironic….

Jealousy is the thread that holds TET threads together!

by The Voice of Reason on Feb 17, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually..

at least in LSU’s case, his methodology was to assume that Bama was #1 and then look for #s 2 and 3. I’m not so sure about that.

Richard Pittman

by Richard Pittman on Feb 17, 2009 7:30 AM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't even give LSU a first place vote in this pole.

I’d give Bama, AU, and UF all 2 pts a piece from LSU, because no two LSU fan’s wll give the same answer.

Even polls are deceiving because there is a huge generational bias towards LSU’s rivals which probably doesn’t get captured on And The Valley Shook.

by LSU Jonno on Feb 17, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

It's true...

I did. I really thought that Bama would be #1 for you guys. Perhaps it is a generational thing…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 17, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I counted 9 pts for LSU

Are you trying to jip us out of our hard earned hate?

by LSU Jonno on Feb 18, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Whoops!

Looks like I can’t count properly…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 18, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I would have expected Ole Miss

Maybe that’s a relic of years past

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by jd is legend on Feb 17, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Ole Miss

No way that Tennessee is Ole Miss’s third rival – the only play them on the rotating schedule, right? I’d guess Alabama or Arkansas.

by EllBama on Feb 17, 2009 7:39 AM CST reply actions  

For my money ...

… I’d put LSU ahead of State, but I won’t dispute that for most people the Egg Bowl is Ole Miss’ biggest rivalry. But there probably are a few choices that would land in third place ahead of Tennessee. Auburn was a big rivalry for several years after the Tuberville exchange but that will surely fade a little now that he’s gone. Arkansas, however, has moved up on our list since Nutt’s arrival. And Bama would be a bigger rivalry if it wasn’t for the lopsided nature of the record between the schools.

All that being said, I’m looking forward to the Tennessee game this year more than ever before since The Orgeron will be stalking the sidelines again. I’m glad he’s back in the SEC, and even more glad it’s not with my team.

by rebelcraig on Feb 17, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm surprised...

… that Georgia didn’t rank higher on the Ole Miss scale. Georgia and Ole Miss had an annual rivalry for decades. It wasn’t “hate-filled,” but it certainly was competitive and important to both sides.

  When divisional play first began in ‘92, each team actually had 2 permanent rivals from the other side, and Georgia’s 2 permanent rivals were Auburn and Ole Miss. I forget which year we went to only have 1 permanent rival from the other division, but I personally rued the loss of being able to visit the Grove every two years playing our longstanding rival every year.

by vineyarddawg on Feb 18, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

UGA's rivals

Good work, WEA. I’ll add a bit of what was discussed over at the DawgSports poll. Many of us rank Auburn ahead of Florida as conference rivals. Whether Georgia fans rank Auburn first (as I did) or Florida first probably would break pretty closely with the answer to the question “Were you born before or after, say, 1973?”

by NCT on Feb 17, 2009 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

I put Auburn first among Georgia’s rivals—-I have argued for years that we should go back to playing Auburn, our traditional season-ending rival, in the final game of the season, although that would never happen because it would interfere with the Iron Bowl—-and that has quite a lot to do with the fact that Georgia has gone roughly .500 against Florida for my lifetime, but I came of age as a fan while watching the balance of power in the S.E.C. shift from the Classic City to the Loveliest Village in 1983.

In any case, you’ve done some good work here. Thanks for taking the time.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 17, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

In a pinch...

I defer to classic rivals, but so many factors go into an individual’s choice. Back in 1983, GA was comfortably ahead in the series with FL, so perhaps fans at that time would have ranked AUB ahead of FL. But as you mentioned, with the Gators balancing things out the last two decades, most contemporary Dog fans would probably go with them.

But I’m like you. Whatever the opinion was during my formative years as a fan pretty much sticks with me forever…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 17, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Generational

I agree that rivalries are very much a generational thing, and sometimes even a regional thing.

Any Florida fan born in about 1980 or sooner would put Florida State as the Gators’ top rival, while fans older than that would probably say Georgia. No team makes me (born in ’85) angrier faster than FSU, while my father circles the UGA game every year based on his memories of the 1970s and ’80s. He also was upset about the end of the historic Florida-Auburn annual series too, whereas for me Auburn is that team that we play (and usually lose to) every couple of years.

Meanwhile, you have a few UF fans like EDSBS’s esteemed Messr. Swindle who hates Tennessee the most thanks to having grown up in Tennessee. Those are relatively few and far between; almost every Florida fan has FSU or UGA as their top target.

Can’t really say much about LSU though. Everyone knows Spurrier only lost to Georgia once, but he also lost to LSU only once. UF is 14-5 against the Bayou Bengals since 1990. There isn’t much to build a rivalry on there. They’re generally a good team we play every year, but the feel of the LSU game is closer to a big bowl than a rivalry game for me.

by Year2 on Feb 17, 2009 9:26 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed...

I Hate FSU something unholy. I went to my first Tallahassee UF-FSU game this past season and spent much of the game threatening to kill the FSU fans who cheered Harvin’s injury. I want to destroy Tennessee and Georgia (because of Kiffykins and Georgia’s “Stomp” routine) but FSU is the only school I want swallowed by a sinkhole. Hell, I almost attended UGA and Tennessee is a Gatorade school.
As for the West, when they are not playing Florida, I like watching LSU because I enjoy crazy coaches. Also, since I attended UF, LSU is 4-3 against the Gators.

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by mlmintampa on Feb 17, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

on the LSU bit. I’d have to say they’re my favorite west team, too. Disagreed on the FSU part. But I understand where you’re coming from.. They’re my favorite team outside the SEC. Growing up the chop and seminole war song really stuck out. Some things never change, I suppose.

by samhitch on Feb 18, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Spurrier

Spurrier lost to Georgia only once as head coach at Florida. Perhaps it was sufficiently implied. But hey, it’s a rivalry. UGA is 2-1 against Florida in years when a Gator wins the Heisman.

by NCT on Feb 17, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

49-10 still hurts, huh?

by Year2 on Feb 17, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

An entirely appropriate response

But not so much. It took a couple of weeks to get over, but it’s pretty much gone now. The three-point loss to Tech hurt much, much worse. Among annual games I care about most, Florida is third. It doesn’t even come close to breaking into the top two, although it’s well ahead of whatever games come further own the list.

by NCT on Feb 18, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

The intensity...

with both Florida and Auburn for LSU has increased this decade, with the purple Tigers returning to the national stage in a big way…

Wow. 14-5. You made me go look that one up…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 17, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to say this...

…just because it’s a major pet peeve of mine, and I saw it about 10 times in this post.

it’s = it is
its = possessive (no apostrophe)

Nice article though.

What do an Auburn fan and a bammer have in common? (Neither of them ever attended that school in tuscaloosa).

by AUshorecm on Feb 17, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

And

This was a poll, note a pole.

by rolltidefromaz on Feb 17, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

wtf is that supposed to mean? No comments needed from the ’neck nation.

What do an Auburn fan and a bammer have in common? (Neither of them ever attended that school in tuscaloosa).

by AUshorecm on Mar 10, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great work WEA

I followed your polls through the SEC SB Blogs and found the discussion very interesting. After reading your post I came to the conclusion that the SEC needs to change its format up a bit.

Even though i have little respect for the Pac-10 as a football conference, I like how their conference is made up. Every team plays every Pac-10 team. At the end the team with the best conference record is crowned champion. It’s a simple format, it insures the best team from that conference is crowned and it eliminates the need for ANOTHER game to be added to 2 teams schedule.

I can already feel the stones being tossed at me. good thing i wore my steel suite to work today.

Most SEC fans would be against this becuase…the SEC is hard enough, why make it tougher? Well, to be crowned the best team in your conference, dont you have to at least played EVERY team in your conference? Now UF played pretty much all the best teams in the SEC and won almost all of them (Ole Miss). The only teams they didn’t play were Auburn and MSU. Two game they easily would have won but thats not always the case.

I say we drop either Arkansas from the SEC (they never have really fit in to me) and go to an 11 team format. That gives each team a 10 game conference schedule and a two game OCS. You could still have a bye week and you don’t have to worry about a pesky CCG. This will also allow for great rival games like the Auburn/UF or Alabama/UF etc to be played on an annual basis, not every 4 years or so.

Just my thoughts. Im sure the SEC will never do this but here’s to wishful thinking.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 17, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

One small problem...

The PAC 10 still recognizes multiple champions, even in spite of H2H matches. Isn’t that so 1980s? Granted, the H2H winner goes to the Rose or BCS, but the record book still recognizes a split title. Everyone wins! Yay!!

I could live with your proposal, but I’m afraid there’s no stuffing that CCG genie back in the bottle. Not with the $$$ and exposure it brings to us. Besides, Bammer, we SEC homers almost have it worked out where our champion is a virtual lock in the BCS CG. Why mess with success?

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 17, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That just shows

why the Pac-10 is a joke but i still like thier “we play everyone” format. And yes i get that if we do away with the SEC CG it would mean a big time loss to the SEC as a whole. The SEC was a pioner in the early 90’s with the 12 team format and i seriously doubt we take a step back.

Perhpas we could make it so that each SEC team plays at least 10 SEC games a year with 1-2 OOC teams. IDK…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 18, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

If we do that we may as well......

secede from the NCAA. LOL. SEC schedules are tough enough with 8 SEC games a year….the PAC 10 is extremely top heavy and the top teams don’t suffer for playing all of the bottom teams. Which is why they are able to play more than one good OOC opponent every year. Lets be honest if your inconference schedule included 6 guaranteed wins (most years anyway) and 2 or 3 others that you should win unless your asleep at the wheel then why the hell not play them all….what do you have to lose? The SEC on the other hand is different……its very physical defensively strong football. Can you imagine a team going undefeated in the SEC with 10 in conference games? Its a rarity with 8 conference games and a Championship game…..add another game to that and It would become extremely rare. I for one like the Championship Game…it adds validity to being called a champion because its done on the field head to head and not by tallying up W-L records or by voting on it. Its a stepping stone and precursor to a true National Playoff…..I still believe it will happen in my lifetime (I figure barring an accident thats at least another 30 years or so). I know you have the same opinion of the PAC 10 that I do but it never gets old saying it. LOL. I like the fact that the SEC champion is almost a guarantee to play for the NC now……its respect that the SEC deserves and until someone can knock us off the top of this hill then tough titty for them all.

My rant is over. :-)

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

The Pac-10 isn't a joke

It’s the 2nd or 3rd best conference. The Big Ten, now there’s a joke.

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by jd is legend on Feb 18, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

The only thing elevating the PAC 10.....

above the Big Ten is USC. Past that whats the difference?

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Oregon, Oregon State, California

All have had very successful seasons recently

Arizona and Stanford are on the way up

The only sure wins in the Pac-10 last year were the Washington schools

Whereas, in the Big 10, Ohio State and Penn State were pretty much it last year. Iowa stomped an overmatched South Carolina squad in the Outback Bowl. Michigan State wasn’t that good, Illinois fell off. Michigan had its worst year in half a century.

Maybe the Big 10 didn’t have any teams as bad as the two Washington Schools in the Pac-10, but they also didn’t have any teams that could compete with USC, and Oregon and Oregon State would have finished no worse than 3rd in the Big Ten last year, probably 2nd.

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by jd is legend on Feb 18, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

You could also say that.....

Penn State, WIsconson, Illinois, OSU all had successful seasons “recently”. For that matter you could include Michigan and Michigan State in that recent success catagory if your are gonna include Stanford. And only Indiana, Northwestern, and Minnesota are sure wins (ok maybe purdue as well). You’re splitting hairs to seperate the two conferences after you get past USC.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, I'm not sure but didn't Oregon and Oregon State finish 2nd and 3rd....

in the PAC 10 last year? Not really earth shattering to think they would finish 3rd in a similarly weak conference.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Oregon would beat Ohio St.

Oregon St. probably wouldn’t, but would probably beat the Big Ten’s #3, Michigan St. That means the top 3 teams (IMO) of the Pac-10 are better than the top 3 teams of the Big 10. I also don’t think this is something we can quantify objectively, because there were so few head-to-head matchups between Big 10 and Pac-10 teams this year. I have my beliefs, you have yours. I also have an excessive hatred for everything Big 10, so that may be part of it :D

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by jd is legend on Feb 18, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

We share that in common....

I have a deep hate for all things Big 10, but I have a bigger hate for all things PAC 10. Maybe I’m biased. But I think the drop off between BCS conference rankings is drastic after the SEC and Big 12. I don’t think there is as much room between them and in any given year one they may change positions ever so slightly.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

And even the Big 12

Will have a big drop off next year…

Missouri won’t be good
Texas Tech will take a BIG step back
OSU showed their true colors late in the season
Kansas and K State will be their usual self

Texas and OU will be the only contenders for anything next year.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 18, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Nebraska could surprise.....

some folks and Colorado had better do something or Hawkins is a done tater.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Ture

But the Big12 will be no way near the same next year as they were in 08.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll say it again...

The Big 10(11) and the PAC10 both run the risk of being marginalized if they fail to get a CCG in the next few years. That one little extra game does so much more good for a team other than the $$$ and exposure.

It’s not fair that half of the BCS conferences have that added layer of competition and the others don’t. But I think we’re seeing the fallout now because their one-loss teams like USC and Penn State aren’t getting the same consideration that one-loss Florida and Oklahoma did. That one extra step ensures that the latter two teams are more worthy.

Besides, CCGs will serve as a de facto first round of any future playoff scenario, and those who fail to secure that are an obstruction to us all…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 18, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I love it that

even though we are hated rivals…we can still agree on our hatred for everything Big 11 and Big 10…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen.....

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

On a completely different note....

what are your predictions for tonight in Athens……I think we ring up 4 in a row.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm a little worried, to be honest

Auburn doesn’t play well on the road. However, I think that UGA beating Florida on Saturday helps, because they got the winless monkey off their back. We’ve been playing well lately, but it will come down to the thing that every Auburn men’s bball game comes down to: if we hit our 3s, we win comfortably; if we’re cold from outside, we’ll lose. I think we should win, but I’m not confident enough to predict it one way or the other. I’ll be there, so I’m hoping to leave the gym with a smile on my face.

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by jd is legend on Feb 18, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Give em hell in athens...

last time I was there one of my buddies got arrested for what I still think was being a drunken AU fan after an AU victory. Freakin bicycle cops.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

Ask any UGA fan and they’ll tell you the Athens Police are a little, ahem, overzealous. I think UGA’s football team may have the rest of the NCAA beaten in terms of number of DUI’s in the past five years.

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by jd is legend on Feb 18, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of hate ...

and the “winless monkey”, I’m grateful we got the win over Florida last weekend, so the last SEC team to go winless in conference is still the North Avenue Trade School.

by NCT on Feb 18, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I can tell you that one Todd

We’re gonna lose tonight. Why do I say that? We’ll be cold shooting the three’s tonight and we aren’t exactly the dangerous crew inside that can go in the paint when things aren’t dropping from beyond the arc.

by Sparkey on Feb 18, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

BINGO!!

Take USC out of the Pac 10 and you are left with a bunch of wishy washy only good about every 3-4 years teams.

Take UF out of the SEC and you are left with

Bama, LSU, Ole Miss etc

Take Penn State out of the Big 11 and you are least left with OSU and Michigan will be good again soon.

Take any team out of the ACC and you are left with…well nobody…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 18, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Wishy washy?

Oregon’s last 4 seasons’ records: 10-2, 7-6, 9-4, 10-3
Oregon State’s last 4 seasons’ records: 5-6, 10-4, 9-4, 9-4
California’s last 4 seasons’ records: 8-4, 10-3, 7-6, 9-4

If anything, those 3 teams are only BAD about every 4 years, recently speaking.

I think too many people feel that the whole Pac-10 is overrated because they feel that USC gets too much press. IMO, the conference shouldn’t suffer because you hold a grudge against USC. The Pac-10 is a solid conference, who is #2 behind the SEC, IMO.

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by jd is legend on Feb 18, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year without a doubt....

the second best conference was the Big 12, the year previous not so clear but I would give the edge to the PAC 10. 2006 again not so clear but I would perhaps even make a case for the Big 10 for that year. The only conference that I won’t consider is the Big Least…..pathetic that they still hold their BCS status. The PAC 10 is hard to take seriously especially when you start showing off records because 9 of those games took place against…..well, the PAC 10. I think about the same of the Big 10 these days……watered down. The ACC is rebuilding and should be improved in ‘09…….get FSU, Miami, Va Tech, back to prominence along with rising programs like Ga Tech and UNC and they very well could be considered for second place. Same thing goes for the Big 10…..get Meeeechigan, Iowa, Wisconson, Purdue, Michigan State back to the point where they can compete with Ohio State and Penn State and we don’t have to worry about whether there is another football team on the west coast other than USC. Furthermore get UCLA to the point where they can compete with USC and the trojans will lose some luster. The PAC 10 may be a solid conference when compared to the Big Least or the ACC at the moment but thats about as much love as I can give them. Pull USC out of the mix and its a bunch of “also rans”.

I feel better now. Rants over.

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by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't read Todd's respone yet but im sure i agree

JD im not understand your comment. You started my saying

Wishy Washy? then post the teams records that clearly support my statement that the supposed top teams in the Pac 10 are not consistent winners…but yet you continue to say the pac 10 shouldn’t suffer because of USC…

Maybe im the only one, but im confused by your stance.

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 18, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

and yes

After reading Todd92’s respone i agree. Take USC out of the Pac-10 and it isnt much better than the Big Least (love it)

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 18, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that people see how USC rules the conference and they take that to mean

the rest of the conference is weak. It’s not the case, IMO. But that’s all this is…opinions. I think the Pac-10 is the 2nd best conference year-in and year-out, but most people here don’t.

So what I was saying is that the Pac-10 suffers in others’ opinions because people see how USC dominates and they think that the rest of the conference must be crap.

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by jd is legend on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

What if....

Awesome work WEA. I noticed in a couple of posts that you mentioned you think Auburn should be in the East. Have you ever played around with that scenario any? Obviously the big question would be who to swap out, but if you look at swapping UT for Auburn, you end up with what I think would be a pretty workable situation. Of course, I guess UT wouldn’t want to give up those great, historical rivalries with Vandy and Kentucky, but other than that, it really opens up some scheduling flexibility.

Personally, I think the SEC should look into doing one of two things. The first is to make one of the floating West games alternate between two of the other big three on the other side (ie. in UGA’s case, AU would be locked every year, but LSU and UA would alternate every two years, while the other west game rotated with the other schools). This would force every team in the SEC to play at least 4 of the other big 5 every year. The other option would be to drop Arkansas and SCU and then make everyone play everyone else. At that point, it would only be one more conference game for everyone and then you could get rid of the SEC championship game. Just some thoughts.

by UgaMatt on Feb 17, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions  

If you put Auburn in the East

The most logical team to move to the West, IMO, is Vanderbilt, considering they are geographically further west than Auburn is. However, that would cause either the Iron Bowl or the Third Saturday in October to become a rotating game, and that would be just a shame.

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by jd is legend on Feb 17, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

If you recall...

Auburn is the reason why the SEC went initially with the two permanent and one rotator format from 1992 through 2002. Our top four rivals at that time were AL, GA, TN, and FL, the last three in the east. We didn’t want to give up two of those. We were forced to drop TN because we needed the recruiting exposure in the state of FL. After a while, some schools wanted more rotators, a la the Big 12, who has all three out of division games as rotators.

After the hammer fell, there was no way we could drop GA, so we had to discontinue the Gators. We hate that to this day. It hurt worse than getting dropped by GA Tech in 1987.

I would argue that Auburn was one of TN’s top 3 before 1992. They could have easily been a west school and we in the east. They could have even kept our series intact. I don’t know the specifics of how the divisions were gerrymandered out, but I guess Harvey Schiller or Roy Kramer looked at a map and saw that Knoxville was further east than Nashville…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 17, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

That Auburn-Tennessee game...

…..was critical, every year. It was the SEC opener for both teams. Whoever lost it was out of the SEC race, most of the time, and the winner a contender. I think that 1989 21-14 loss to Tennessee was the first time Auburn recovered to win the SEC in spite of it…

by Acid Reign on Feb 18, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Good article WEA.....

First I have to agree with your AU rivalry analysis. I would like to say though I still wish we would renew the yearly rivalry with Ga Tech. That would bring back to life a tradition that AU football (and Tech football for that matter) cherished for a very long time and at the same time strengthen our OOC schedule (provided we still scheduled at least one other good OOC opponent).

I agree with POD…… if AU was moved to the Eastern division losing the LSU game would be a shame, but, the UF game would be back and that was one hell of a rivalry when it was played yearly. I still prefer to stay in the West. For one thing if you moved Vandy to the West….then the West would become vastly weaker for it and the East would become uber tough…..the only way to do it fairly would be to sway AU for UT. UK or Vandy for AU would be an uneven trade and would likely never be allowed anyway.

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by Todd92 on Feb 17, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

Good point...

But there’s no way that Tech can handle Georgia AND Auburn as two OOC games every year. That’s too big a burden for any team to shoulder. I’m sure that in the late 80s there were some Techies who might have preferred to keep Auburn, but how can you let the lease run out on Good Old-Fashioned Hate?
The same reason is why Georgia can’t load with with Clemson every year again, although the Dawgs would have an easier time with that OOC schedule than Tech. The only way we could get GT back on our schedule regularly is if they came back home to the SEC.

And the reason why we can’t swap Auburn and Vandy is what you mentioned— the imbalance it would create. You’d have four of the top 6 teams on one side, only two on the other. It could end up looking like the Big 12 south did in 2008…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 17, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

So....

UA is three teams top rivals. That is quite flattering.

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by The Voice of Reason on Feb 17, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

feel the hate

living in Georgia has always given me a slighter larger level of hate for Georgia than Bama…also might have something to do with my mom being an Alabama grad that i never have truly hated the Tide nearly as much as i do the Dawgs. and as much as i truly hate LSU, there’s no team i enjoy more beating than Florida.

by suicidewatch on Feb 17, 2009 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

using the word hate that many times wins me a free taco at Barbaritos.

by suicidewatch on Feb 17, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel the same way about UT

Of course I hate Auburn but my hatred for UT goes deep…real deep!

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Feb 17, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Very good work

I agree, it is interesting that the the 3 top schools you slated as rivals for the others are also the 3 top historic SEC teams in terms of wins, championships and national prominence:
1.) Alabama
2.) Tennessee
3.) Georgia

I think these are the only 3 SEC teams to each win over 700 games and have double-digit SEC Championships. Not sure about the stats on LSU. They probably come in 4th I would think.

Good work!

by JEFFCODAWG on Feb 19, 2009 7:46 AM CST reply actions  

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