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Should Auburn Have Been in the East, Vols in the West?

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I've alluded to this subject many times over the years, most recently last week with the thread on the prevalent rivals in the SEC. There's never been any doubt in my mind that Auburn should have been placed in the eastern division of the SEC when the conference expansion came in 1992, but I never really thought about how that equation would balance out--i.e: who would play Red Rover and come over to the west. Not until last week while researching historic conference rivals did it dawn on me that Tennessee was the most-likely candidate to have switched to the west, despite Knoxville being east of Nashville and the Commodores. Geography be damned! And even better, this equation balanced, in terms of the division being top heavy or not. Too bad it's only 17 years too late.

Prior to 1992, SEC scheduling requirements were six games, with five of those with permanent, historic rivals and the last game as a rotator. Our permanent rivals ranked in order of importance were: Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida and Miss State. That meant that the rotators only got played two or three times a decade, hence our low number of games played against some teams we had shared conferences with (SIAA, Southern, SEC) for almost a hundred years, like Ole Miss and LSU. Witness: games played by Auburn against SEC teams through 1991:

  1. 95--Georgia
  2. 68--Florida
  3. 65--Miss State
  4. 56--Alabama
  5. 43--Tennessee
  6. 33--Vandy
  7. 26--Kentucky
  8. 26--LSU
  9. 16--Ole Miss

So three of our historic Top 5 rivals were soon to be in the opposite division. The new conference scheduling originally was to be one permanent team from the opposite division and two rotators. But Auburn protested so much over the potential loss of two of it's historic rivals that the SEC relented and made it two permanent teams. Auburn made the hard choice that Tennessee would be cut. The rivalry with Florida was considered more important because of the recruiting exposure in the Sunshine State that the game would bring. It still was tough for Tiger fans. For decades we had played the top 3 historic teams in the SEC, Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia, and had more than held our own. That scheduling there is one of the reasons we have earned to date the 4th toughest strength of schedule rating in CFB history. 

With the Vols, choices were tough, but not quite as difficult. Tennessee's historic gang-of-5 with games played through 1991 were:

  1. 87--Kentucky
  2. 85--Vanderbilt
  3. 74--Alabama
  4. 58--Ole Miss
  5. 43--Auburn

Granted, had you asked Vol fans at the time to rank those same SEC games in order of importance, it probably would have come out Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Vandy and Kentucky. Alabama was Alabama, but the rivalry with the Rebels, Dores and Cats had long ceased to be really competitive. Upstart Auburn was Rocky Top's second biggest rival, a team that the Vols had refused to play at Auburn until 1980, the second last SEC team to come to the Plains. 

Add to it the fact that Auburn had moved ahead in wins in the series and it was readily apparent that losing the Tigers would be a big blow to Tennessee. And never mind that the Vols' 2nd and 3rd biggest rivals today, Florida and Georgia, were mere footnotes on Tennessee scheduling prior to conference expansion, with only 21 games played prior to 1992 against each school in 97 years of shared conferences.

So what would have happened if the two teams would have been reassigned in the beginning? While it's possible that the SEC would have gone immediately to the one permanent, two rotator scheduling rather than waiting until the 2003 season, assume for a second that they didn't. Auburn would have had Alabama as one fixture, but maybe not Tennessee as the other. Tradition would have been hard for the Vols to ignore, with long-time series with Kentucky and Vanderbilt being cast aside. Maybe Rocky Top would have consented, but not both of those schools, who have Tennessee as their top rival. More than likely, Auburn would have been the 3rd wheel in that arrangement.

And what after the 2002 season when they went to only one permanent team? Definitely by then the annual series between Auburn and Tennessee would be over, and Tennessee would have to have chosen between the Commodores and Wildcats as their favorite red-headed step child. It boils down to this: Auburn would have maintained their series with Florida but would have punted State. Tennessee would have lost either Kentucky or Vandy but picked up Ole Miss.

Would it have been worth it for the Tigers and Vols to have switched, only picking up Florida and Ole Miss in the process? Seems that such trading would have been a far tougher proposition for Auburn, even know you never would have heard us complain. Balance of power was on the minds of conference officials who were putting together the expansion in the late 1980s, and having the #1 and #4 teams, Alabama and Auburn (according to historic conference winning %) in one division, balanced out with the #2 and #3, Tennessee and Georgia in the other. #5 LSU and #6 Florida were also on opposite sides and who could have predicted both of their meteoric rises a few years later?

So maybe it would have been a good deal for Auburn to do the switcheroo, but maybe not so good for Tennessee. Unfortunately, no other team from the east balances out the equation like the Vols do. Granted, switching now would NEVER happen, but just suppose. Knowing what we know now, that Tennessee-Florida, Tennessee-Georgia, and Auburn-LSU would turn into such great rivalries, could we be selfish to deny the conference and the CFB such great spectacle?

 

 

 

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Supposing you could go back in time and change the conference alignments in 1992, what would you do?
A) I'd put Auburn in the east and Tennessee in the west...
95 votes
B) I'd leave them just the way they are...
177 votes
C) Hard to say what I'd do...
28 votes
D) Me and Kenny Chesney both would do a lot of things different...
34 votes

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I think they got it about as right as they could have

Some basic traditional rivalries you’d have to have played every year:

Auburn-Alabama
Auburn-Georgia
Ole Miss-Miss St.
Tennessee-Alabama
Georgia-Florida
Tennessee-Vanderbilt
LSU-Ole Miss
Tennessee-Kentucky

These would have to be played every year under any scenario.

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by jd is legend on Feb 23, 2009 11:16 PM CST reply actions  

I’m not a big fan of divisions, as a college football fans; Auburn and Georgia, Oklahoma and Nebraska, and Colorado and Oklahoma should play every year. Plus it forces a team that may not be deserving to play in a conference championship ie; Texas Oklahoma rematch last year would have saved a lot of controversy.

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by trayrenfro on Feb 23, 2009 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

Can you imagine?

……Playing Alabama on Thanksgiving weekend, then playing them again a week later, in the SEC Championship game? Think of how great an extra week of hype would be!

by Acid Reign on Feb 24, 2009 12:39 AM CST reply actions  

i like this post a lot...

…but i just couldn’t imagine the SEC brass ever putting Bama and AU in different divisions. i think it would have slightly weakend the rivalry…or at least made the UGA game more important. still a good post.

i like to play a similar game to this called “who should the SEC added as the final two schools when they expanded”. now i have no idea what the specifics were that brought Arkansas and South Carolina into the fold(i’m sure one of you older dudes might be able to school me), but i like to think Clemson and Georgia Tech (not that UGA would have wanted either of those teams in the SEC) would have been a lot more interesting additions. and if that had happened the sec could have stuck Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, and Bama all in the west…think about how stacked that division would’ve been.

by suicidewatch on Feb 24, 2009 6:34 AM CST reply actions  

GA Tech left...

The conference in 1964, so I don’t think we would have let her come crawling back even if she was on her hands and knees.

Clemson was enjoying mega-conference success in the ACC, winning title after title. Little did they know they’d suffer a 17 year title drought—and counting. Besides, too many teams named Tigers in one conference (and too many oranges…).

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 24, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

As I recall the teams the SEC pursued were FSU and Texas A&M. The conference ‘settled’ for Arkansas and SC.

Interesting points about Tech. I’d love to see that rivalry reborn (despite the ’03 and ’05 outcomes). The Jackets are closer to Auburn than either the Dawgs or Tide, and AU has the 3rd largest general alumni population in Atlanta behind GT and UGA.

by atlWDE on Feb 24, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, Georgia Tech did come crawling back . . .

. . . around 1977, but, after Bobby Dodd haughtily took his ball and went home abruptly in the ‘60s, leaving the Yellow Jackets’ conference coevals high and dry (for a year or two in there, the league had to designate out-of-conference opponents like Clemson and North Carolina as de facto S.E.C. contests to make the schedules balance), we rightly refused their attempted re-entry, so they went and joined the A.C.C. instead. Good riddance.

Clemson is a natural fit for the S.E.C. Their fans and their institutional culture have a lot more in common with us rough-and-tumble S.E.C. types than with those tea-sipping basketball pansies in the A.C.C.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 26, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Shoulda got Clemson instead of Carolina

A bigger football tradition than USC. Also, we apparently were really close to getting FSU. But they declined because they’d rather be in the ACC for “basketball reasons.” I call bullshit, they just knew they could run shit in the ACC in football. They might not have a NC right now if they joined the SEC.

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by jd is legend on Feb 24, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right

F.S.U. was scared. There was no reason for the Seminoles to join the A.C.C.—-Miami wasn’t there yet, having just the year before joined the Big East—-and, since their other major rivalry was with Florida, it would have made perfect sense for Florida State to have joined the S.E.C. Fear is the only explanation that makes sense.

One other point in favor of Clemson is the strong tradition tying the school to the S.E.C. The early years of Clemson football are closely tied to Auburn: Clemson’s first three head coaches all were Auburn alumni, one of whom (Walter Riggs) brought football to Clemson. Riggs also hired John Heisman away from the Plains to coach at Fort Hill; hence, Clemson’s adoption of the nickname “Tigers” and a variation of the orange-and-blue color scheme that George Petrie brought to Auburn on account of Petrie’s having gotten his undergraduate degree at Virginia.

What is considered the renaissance of Clemson football began under Josh Cody, who as a player had been Vanderbilt’s first (and, I believe, still only) three-time all-American. Since then, they have had a whole host of coaches with connections to Alabama: Jess Neely coached there; Frank Howard and Hootie Ingram played there; Charley Pell, Danny Ford, and Dabo Swinney both played and coached in Tuscaloosa.

To top it all off, Tommy Bowden was an assistant coach at both Alabama and Auburn. Clemson has significant ties to the S.E.C. through the coaches it has hired . . . and that connection will filter down to the players if current Clemson scholarship athlete Jon Richt manages to make it onto the field for the Tigers. Clemson belongs in the S.E.C., far more so than South Carolina does.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 26, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

For a long time I thought on who else should’ve been added to the conference. I for one didn’t like the South Carolina addition. I felt Louisville, Memphis, or Florida State. But alas, the scheduling would have been a nightmare.

It sure would have made us a much stronger Basketball conference with Memphis or Louisville.

by KoolBell777 on Feb 24, 2009 8:28 AM CST reply actions  

Florida State...

would have been a good addition, but depending on who’s telling the story, FSU was either blackballed from joining or they weren’t man up enough to join. Acid Reign or Todd92 can probably add something to that…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 24, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Roy Kramer and Co.

…..Were after Florida State and Miami, HARD, to join. In those days, Miami was in the national title hunt every year, and FSU was dominating the ACC. Neither wanted to take on an SEC schedule every year.

…..Most of the SEC “hard feelings” about Georgia Tech are from the Alabama contingent. In the old days, teams like Alabama would have as many as a hundred and fifty scholarship football players, many signed just to keep ‘em out of the hands of any rival schools. Georgia Tech coach Bobby Dodd didn’t like it. He was trying to get players for an engineering school with high academic standards, and wanted a rule passed that if you signed a player, you had to play him. Bear Bryant was one of the most powerful figures in college football, and certainly in the SEC. Bryant blocked all of Dodd’s proposals. Dodd threatened to leave the SEC. Bryant called his bluff. Dodd and Georgia Tech DID leave. That’s why, 20-odd years later, there was such an uproar when the Bama Prez hired Bill Curry to be the head coach, without consulting any boosters or trustees. Bill Curry, a Georgia Tech grad, could not overcome that bad blood…

by Acid Reign on Feb 24, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

wow! that’s f-ing retarded. i love college football.

by suicidewatch on Feb 24, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep....

Bama and Tech refused to play each other in any sport for years. C.M. Newton started scheduling Basketball games with Tech at the B’ars request in the seventies as Bear Bryant tried to burry the axe with Bobby Dodd.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 24, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Good story, Acid

That’s what I was fishing for.

Most forget about the historic rivalry that used to exist between Bama and GT. That’s why one of the lines in Yea, Alabama is “send the Yellow Jackets to a watery grave…”

But wouldn’t you swat flying insects rather than trying to drown them?

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 24, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Not if you're a body of water...

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by jd is legend on Feb 24, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You're talking...

…about that Wonder twins Power thing, aren’t you? Shape of a crimson tide?

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 24, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The other thing Bill Curry couldn't overcome . . .

. . . was losing to Auburn all the time. That’ll pretty much get you canned at Alabama.

Also, it didn’t help that Curry was a sanctimonious condescending arrogant hypocritical snooty bedwetting prisspot dufus.

Honestly, he’s the dumbest head coach I’ve ever seen coach in person, and I have seen Ray Goff coach in person on numerous occasions.

You can’t really blame Alabama for feeling that way toward Georgia Tech, though. Bobby Dodd was all the time going on about teaching the “total person concept,” yet, whenever the Tide traveled to Atlanta, Bear Bryant had to wear a helmet onto the field to keep from being hit in the head with the bottles the Yellow Jacket fans were throwing. Georgia Tech is like an out-of-work teacher . . . no class.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 26, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

And...

Currie was the first coach not to have some sangreal back to Bryant, probably dooming him to failure in the eyes of Tide supporters.

And he walked away from the job to go to KENTUCKY. Wow. Talk about twisting the knife…

Yea, that Clemson pipeline back to the state of Alabama gives the Auburn-Georgia cultural/coaching exchange a run for their money, but it’s a one-way street as opposed to the interstate highway going between Athens and Auburn

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 27, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we can all agree.....

that Clemson would have been preferred over the gamecocks as an addition to the SEC. And lest everyone forget that Clemsons campus was modeled after AU from the get go. And you can hardly blame Curry for jumping ship to go to UK after the brick through the window (among other assenine fan behavior). Remind me again whose recruits those were that won the ‘92 national championship? All the man did was win 10 games a year, and there is nothing anyone can ever say that will convince me that had he stayed Bama would possibly have had another NC in addition to the ’92 season and probably would not have been put on probation given Curry’s insistance on doing it the right way (which from what I have been told by a couple of former Bama boosters had as much to do with his leaving as anything).

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 27, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

From my perspective...

… admittedly that of a Syracuse fan, and so someone who strangely believes basketball is at least as important as football… well, I think the SEC expanding to 12 was a bad move. It kicked off the rush to >10 team major conferences, which has had no positive side effects that I can see, and almost destroyed the Big East just for fun.

by drothgery on Feb 27, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah Florida State would have been on obvious/nightmare choice which would’ve also guarnteed nobody would’ve won a national title in the 90s.

by suicidewatch on Feb 24, 2009 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

Good article....

and some interesting possibilities. Suicide you can forget Georgia Tech ever re-entering the SEC….alot of hard feelings among the powers that be resulted from their defection and they are still not forgotten even today. And lest you forget the invitation went out to FSU and Bobby Bowden said he didn’t want to throw his team to the dogs every year. The Wussy.

WEA the only thing I think you should edit is calling AU an “upstart”…….what program in the SEC is old enough to call us an upstart?

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 24, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions  

I think that's probably what we were to Tennessee...

when the series became annual in the 1950s, played at Legion Field and Knoxville. They probably thought they might be able to run over the ‘little brother’ team from Alabama, yet we grabbed the series lead and never relinquished it.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 24, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I have heard many derogatory terms uttered by many foes....

but upstart is not one of them. We were playing football before everyone else in the south…..only UGA can go back as far as we can. I remember reading about General Neyland saying something to the effect that UT would never travel to Auburn to play making some aristocratic snobbish remark but I can’t remember the quote and don’t readily remember where to find it.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 24, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't Forget...

…that we lack that ‘flagship’ status since we don’t have a state in our name (anymore) or the phrase ‘university of’, not that it matters a bit, but others have always tried to use it as a slight. And we’re the only public school in the conference lacking that distinction.

As far as ‘upstart’, my point was that Tennessee probably thought they could dominate us at the onset of the annual series, but never could. We’ve always played every conference stablemate hard, grudgingly earning respect in the process.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 24, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to be overly technical . . .

. . . but Georgia goes back slightly farther, if only by a few weeks.

The Red and Black played the Deep South’s first college football game in Athens on January 30, 1892, defeating a Mercer team that had been assembled over the Christmas holidays (hence the January start date).

When Georgia and Auburn met for the first time on February 20, 1892, in Atlanta (for the game that legend holds began the “War Eagle!” battle cry for the Plainsmen), it was Georgia’s second game and Auburn’s first.

Incidentally, the father of Georgia football, chemistry professor Charles Herty, and the father of Auburn football, history professor George Petrie, were classmates at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. Both earned their doctoral degrees in the class of 1890, then both brought the affinity for football they had acquired in the East with them to the Deep South, where they introduced the sport at their respective institutions. The two professors served as the coaches when the Deep South’s oldest football rivalry began.

For what it’s worth, we fought the move the least when Auburn wanted to move the game from Columbus to a home-and-home series in the late ‘50s, so we’ve got that going for us. Heck, given our record at Jordan-Hare and y’all’s record between the hedges, I’m for playing it at your place every year!

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 26, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If it's all the same...

…I’d rather it be in Athens!

Interesting, Kyle. I didn’t know GA had played Mercer first. We used to play them quite a bit at the turn of the last century.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 26, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

They actually formed their first team at Charles Herty's request

Herty arrived in Athens in 1891, assembled a group of students, cleared the field, and began holding practices—-probably much like Petrie did at Auburn—-and they soon had everything they needed except an opponent. Enter Mercer, against whom Georgia was 22-0 before the series was discontinued after 1941.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 26, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

i read this interesting article a while ago talking about expanding the major leagues into Super conferences of 16 teams to help drive college football toward a playoff and the idea was to add Miami, FSU, Tech, & Clemson to the SEC which of course seems like the taking the toughest conference in college football and adding landmines to the field just for added drama

by suicidewatch on Feb 24, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Can you link to that article? I’d like to read it. Man do I get bored in the offseason.

by atlWDE on Feb 24, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

i can't find it anymore

it was written a few years ago and i can’t, for the life of me, remember what the blog was. i think i was doing random google searches for college football playoff formats and just stumbled upon it. sorry…it was a cool idea.

by suicidewatch on Feb 25, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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by KoolBell777 on Feb 24, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

For what it's worth . . .

. . . I’m with you 100 per cent, War Eagle Atlanta.

Here is my endorsement of your plan . . . with a twist at the end.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 26, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

Good arguments on your article....

but I do agree with JD….. Birmingham has never been and would never be a neutral site. Being a little older and having been to Iron bowls since the early 70’s (as soon as my father deemed I was old enough to go see a man about a dog by myself, allowing him to keep his seat warm), I have never been to an Iron Bowl at Legion field where the crowd was 50-50. I know that they supposedly split up the tickets but somehow the Bammers always managed to get more than their fair share…..significantly more. But I do agree that AU would be better suited in the East……although it will never happen.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 27, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right that it will never happen . . .

. . . and several Georgia fans feel the same way about Jacksonville (although I strongly support keeping the Cocktail Party there).

My point was not whether Birmingham was a neutral site; I don’t have a ’Dawg in that fight. My point was simply that the Iron Bowl was played there for many years, the same as Oklahoma-Texas was played in Dallas or Georgia-Florida was played in Jacksonville. Moving the game, for whatever reason, represented a break with longstanding practice. Maybe that was justified, but it still was a significant change.

Given that the Iron Bowl has moved from its historic home in Birmingham, and that Alabama-Tennessee frequently is not played on the Third Saturday in October, and that Alabama has ended the season against a team other than Auburn for over 47 per cent of the football seasons in Crimson Tide history, I don’t think it’s as much a heresy to suggest moving the Iron Bowl to earlier in the year as it appears at first. That’s my basic point.

Please understand that, in conjunction with this, I support moving the Georgia-Georgia Tech game to earlier in the year. We’ve played y’all at lot more times than we’ve played the Yellow Jackets; y’all have played us a lot more times than y’all have played the Crimson Tide; we have the oldest rivalry in the region, dating back literally to the inception of both programs; our founding father and y’all’s founding father were classmates who learned the game together; some of our greatest coaches (Vince Dooley, Erk Russell) had prior ties to Auburn; some of y’all’s greatest coaches (Shug Jordan, Pat Dye) had prior ties to Georgia; there usually are a couple of graduates from the other school on each school’s staff; whereas the Iron Bowl was interrupted for over four decades at one point, it has literally taken a world war (1917, 1918, 1943) or the death of a player from injuries sustained in a game (Georgia’s Von Gammon in 1897) to keep your team and my team from playing since 1894; despite last year’s aberrant outcomes, your team and my team have dominated our respective in-state rivals in recent years while maintaining a close series with one another. Georgia-Auburn deserves pride of place at the end of both teams’ schedules.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Feb 27, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed....

although the numbers on the Bama playing another team at the end of the season are a bit skewed percentage wise because the bulk of the years that the iron bowl was not the last game for either team were the years that the iron bowl was not played. And as far as the AU UGA rivalry…I couldn’t agree more. The AU UGA rivalry is one of the best in the country IMO….because of the longevity, the amazingly even record, the earned respect for each of the Universities by the other, and the gentleman like disdain that is demonstrated by the fans (we can usually sit at the same table and have a disagreement without it becoming necessary to take an anger management refresher course). I always enjoyed my visits to Athens and conversely always enjoyed the UGA fans tailgating in Auburn…..I can’t say that about Bama or the Gators. And I typically root for UGA against most other teams. It wouldn’t upset me greatly to play UGA last……..

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 27, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Can NOT end the season with East V West

Aub vs Georgia, being a old game and all is great, but the week prior to the SEC title game could end up in a immediate rematch the following week, a bad PR move to say the least. The way the divisons are, and as we all must know, will be for the near and likely long future, no inter-divsion games can be played the week prior to the first saturday in december. The SEC title game is the most important game in the national picture every august due to the strength of the participants which will be certain to appear. A back-to-back game would way to much de-value that game, especially if UGA and AU had already clinched there divisons, far to awkward, keeping the current set-up is the only reasonable awnser

by nodice on Feb 27, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Had you read the above you would read that.......

the AU vs UGA season finale was predicated upon AU moving to the east and UT to the west…(as in “if” not "when"). But thanks for the rules briefing.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 27, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

to many hypotheticals

I mean really breaking down percents as to how much one team has finished the season against team X vs team Y, its a interesting conversation, but the bottom line is the SEC has it right, this way, this schedule rotation. It is of note that while this format has been in place, the SEC has risen from in the conversation of best conferences, to THE conversation of best conference. I respect the history but the recent history is far more important than this conversation has given it credit for.

by nodice on Feb 27, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

So in simpler terms without nessecarily say so.....

you agree, with everyone on this board including WEA who authored the piece, that it would never happen but that the scenario is intriguing as well as has a logical merit even if the counter points are as appealing if not more. Although, I would say that the same balance would apply to the SEC if the scenario were possible, which is to say that most likely the SEC would still benefit from the format……..now if you will excuse me I am going to make a snow angel.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Mar 1, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

FSU wasn't Scared, it was greedy

If there is one thing to say about FSU football in the early 90’s it was any time any where. They went 8-5-1 against Spurriers gators who owned the SEC in the 90’s. In the ACC they kept tied to the Orange Bowl they visited so often, and gave them more flexability to schedule teams like Notre Dame or Auburn when the chance arrived. Why join a conference that has such established traditions like you all say, when you can keep on doing what your doing and join a new and less established football conference. It is hard not to respect FSU football during that 14 year span of AP top 5 finishes. I acknowledge they would not have done that in the SEC in reality, but they have two national titles since 1992, only Florida can beat that in the SEC, looks smart to me

by nodice on Feb 27, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

Well...

LSU can tie it, and Alabama and Tennessee add one each, which is more than the rest of the ACC’s supporting cast can manage. The question is how many MNCs would FSU have managed with a SEC schedule. That answer is far less clear.

I think FSU probably wanted into the SEC at some point, then figured out they could dominate the ACC and decided to stay in that smaller pond.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 28, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Zactly.......

which is why Bobby Bowden made a comparison to FSU joing the SEC with Custer’s Little Big Horn strategy and said off the cuff in another interview something to the effect of “I am not gonna throw my team to the dogs every year”.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Mar 1, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

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