Time Is Running Out For Jeff Lebo
Auburn celebrates its 78-77 last second win over Tennessee.
The rumors are true. I saw it with my own eyes. Contrary to popular belief, they are still playing basketball at Auburn. On a day when the crowd was so small in Beard-Eaves Coliseum that fans were on a first name basis, Jeff Lebo's team gave the home crowd all the excitement they could handle. Saturday's 78-77 win over Tennessee gives Lebo hope that his fifth team may finally be showing some life.
With Alabama and Georgia already pulling the plug on its coaches, can Lebo be too far behind? On Saturday you had a sense that his players knew it. Despite appearing to be a foot shorter than the Volunteers at nearly every position, Auburn came out looking much different than the team that was so lethargic losing to Ole Miss last Wednesday.
When Korvotney Barber put the Tigers ahead for good with 4.3 seconds left on the clock, the crowd of little more than 6,000 erupted like they had just beaten LSU in Baton Rouge on a Saturday night. And you know what? It was a hell of a lot of fun. The win reminded Auburn fans of how much fun basketball can be in the dead of winter.
Being a part of the crowd and watching the celebration on the floor, you quickly realize what Auburn people have been missing for all these years. College basketball is a heck of a lot of fun - especially when you win. Sure the new arena, when finished, will be state-of-the art and will take viewing to a different level with all its amenities. But things couldn't have been more exciting Saturday afternoon in that old, run down barn.
Most people have already written Lebo's obituary. As he heads towards Wednesday's home game against Arkansas, he carries a 3-5 conference record and stands 14-9 overall. The NCAA Tournament is almost completely out of the question and an NIT bid is very much up in the air.
All of this begs the question, what chance of survival does Lebo really have this late in the season? Playing in his fifth season, he's yet to land a date in the big dance or even get an invite to the NIT. His best season was two years ago when he finished two games above .500 and finished third in the SEC West at 7-9.
On paper, this appears to be a no brainer. But watching Lebo's teams play you always get the feeling he's one or two recruits away from putting it all together. More times than not, he gives everyone in the SEC a hard fought game. Plus, it's hard not to like the guy. Spend five minutes talking to him and you can't help but pull for him.
Unfortunately, close just doesn't get it. And let's face it, if this was football, he'd have been gone two years ago - right Tommy? Lebo has had every opportunity to make it work and now time has run out.
When Auburn opens the door on its new $100 million arena in two seasons, they need to put a winning product on the floor. New seats and concessions alone will not fill up the stands. Earning back that investment will be the top priority of the Auburn Administration.
It's a good time now to strike while the iron's hot. With that financial commitment being made, the University should have all the tools necessary to bring in a top caliber, name coach this year. Then again, Jay Jacobs could just go out and hire Gene Chizik - but, I digress.
In the meantime, if you are looking for something to do, go check out Auburn basketball. They welcome the Razorbacks to town on Wednesday night and while they may not win, you can bet they'll play hard and compete. After all, Lebo is just a recruit away from making it happen - or not.
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I’ve watched some of Auburn Basketballs best play there. Barkley, Person, Ford, etc… Some good ones from other teams too…Sprewell..Shaq
I am glad we are getting better facilities, I would love to put a better product on the floor. Can Lebo do this?
If not who can that will come to Auburn…let’s start a list
I remember...
when basketball was a whole lot of fun. I was a freshman for the 98-99 season with Porter, Smith, Chilliest, Mamadou, Fishback, Robinson, Pohlman, Sharp. Those are some of my best memories from college. I was hooked and made it to every home basketball game my college career except one, and many away games. Hell, I even went to Nashville on a Wednesday night before a Thursday test. Of course, the football team was 3-8 my freshman year, so we had to find something to cling to.
Jay, you are absolutely right. When that old barn that my dad helped build gets hoppin’, it is a great place to be. I hope Lebo can pull things together for the final stretch and get some butts in the seats. Seeing those guys try so hard only to come up short time and time again makes me sad. I’m glad to see they finally won a close one.
For any of you who regularly attended basketball games from 98-02, I was the ring leader for “the beach.” There is no reason for the name. We just wanted to wear Hawaiian shirts in February. And yes, the sign, shirts, and crazy hats went with us to Starkville and Columbia. Damn, that was fun.
I have to admit.....
that if you look at his W-L record its not what we should expect and that he would or should be gone at the end of the season. But I keep watching what he does with his talent which in my mind is far less than the W-L record would indicate. I would like to see him make it for a couple of seasons with the new facility to see if he can recruit some top talent into AU. As far as I am concerned his coaching is outstanding but his recruiting is lacking…..would that change with the new facility? It would have to help but how much is the mystery. At the end of the day I am prone to say let him stay until he has at least one class recruited to the new facility to see if there is improvement.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I think it's time to move on
I wasn’t a big fan when they hired him, and zero postseason games in five seasons is just not cutting it. Every now and then, the team puts it all together and gets a huge win (think the 22-point win over Arky in Fayettenam). But most of the time, they just suck (think the 3-point escape at home against UT-Pan Am, a transitional D-1 school that we should have beaten by fifty). I’d say we should fire him, but I’m not sure the timing is right with us paying our old football coach $6 million, our new coaching staff at least $3 million (just guessed, to be honest), and our country in a crappy economy. If we do decide to let Lebo go, we probably won’t have the cash to go after a big name guy, so we’d have to hope to hit the jackpot with an up-and-coming superstar coach from a lesser league (a la Bruce Pearl).
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Yeah, I am pretty much in the same boat.....
never thought he was the right hire in the first place, and I didn’t want Cliff Ellis gone in the first place. But he is gone and I don’t think we could land a big dog coach right now even if the economy was better…too many teams with traditionally better programs are looking for coaches now and yes unfortnately Bama has a better reputation with their Basketball program than AU. The timing is horrible and Lebo has done better with less…..give him one season in the new facility and see if he improves, if not he’s got no more excuses.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I wonder...
…if Lebo was dismissed if Bobby Knight would profess interest like he’s done with the Georgia and Alabama jobs.
That would keep Jacobs on his toes, don’t you think?
by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 9, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions
Let him go on a dove shoot behind Jacobs house.....
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
No thanks on Knight
He’s a fantastic coach, for sure, but I think we need a young, up-and-comer if we’re getting a new coach. Watch the NCAA tournament this year, and if a mid-major team makes a deep run with a young coach, try and snatch him up.
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by jd is legend on Feb 9, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Get Rid of Lebo
What, we cannot ask for better than a no postseason win from our coach now? Hell, not even an NIT birth has come around with Lebo as far as I know. Look, there is a culture of losing with Lebo. If there wasn’t, we wouldn’t struggle on the men’s court like we do. I understand not being a beast every year in the SEC. Yet, am I being too much of an ass to ask for more than a three point victory over a team that ABC said was completely over matched and some Alabama highschool teams would have a legitimate shot of beating them?
We don’t need to go after another coach because Alabama and Georgia are doing the same thing? Should we not go after recruits when Alabama and Georgia are going after recruits? The truth is that we accept this kind of thing for our basketball team. I happen to love basketball, loved Cliff Ellis, and I have always wanted Lebo gone. Furthermore, he has done NOTHING to change my mind. Yes, I have an incredibly easy time not liking the guy. He makes excuse after excuse about not winning. Even if he changed his tune now, it wouldn’t change the culture of losing he has created at Auburn. He doesn’t think he’ll get the top recruits, so I have to wonder if he really tries that hard to go after them.
He tries really hard. Well, that’s great-he tries really hard. Results are results and he hasn’t produced. Lebo should be gone now and should have never been hired in the first place. Never, do I openly accept mediocrity. Lebo hasn’t even been as good as average either. From his numbers, he is below average. I find that unacceptable.
I don't disagree with you.....
but the cold truth of the matter is that AU is not a destination for coaches…..never has been. And AU has a history of making horrible hires out of otherwise successful coaches (think Tommy Joe Eagles RIP), this is because AU is not nor has ever been a power house in mens Basketball even by SEC standards. For what its worth I was a huge Sonny Smith fan and didn’t want to see him go even after the program got put on probation. Cliff Ellis should have never been let go. hell all he did was have the 3rd best winning percentage ever at AU and he was good for getting us in the NCAA every 3rd year or so. I don’t accept mediocrity……but you change coaches now and thats where we will stay unless Jacobs goes out and throws out an amazing amount of money on an established coach (never happen) or we get incredibly lucky with an up’n comer. Give Lebo the chance to recruit with the new arena and if he can’t then at least we have the facility that an incoming coach will see as incentive to come to AU. I personally don’t think that Lebo can do it either but we don’t lose anything by giving him the chance.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
A little harsh on Lebo, I guess. Haha I’m definitely a fence-rider on him — can’t decide. I was ready to write him off before the win over Tennessee. I would HOPE we can beat arkansas at home, considering we beat them by 22 on the road last month (the worst loss ever for arkansas at their bud walton arena). If he makes the NIT as a host team this year, then I’d say give him ONE more year. Then next season he would have to make the NCAA tourney. If not, then bring in a new coach for a new arena in 2010-11. War Eagle! BEAT the hogs (again).
What do an Auburn fan and a bammer have in common? (Neither of them ever attended u.a.t.).
When I was in school at Auburn...
……Basketball was BAD. REALLY bad. I’d be sitting up high in the pep band, watching dismal performance after dismal performance. We had this stringy haired coach who thought that every time a media mike was in his face, it was time to do his Hee-Haw audition. The guy told great folksy jokes, and could make you laugh, but he seemed to have no clue how to put a basketball team together.
…..In the days before the shot clock and the 3 point line, your front line guys were REALLY important. We had 3 that couldn’t run, couldn’t jump, couldn’t shoot. (Banks, Lockhart, Valavicious…) Our offense was basically a combination of the High Stack and the 4 Corners. You’d have games where the final score was in the 40s for both teams. In the dim, foggy light of the Beave, it was easy to go to sleep at the half…
……We had presidents as wacky/crazy as Gogue, in those days, too. They ran Shug off. Then they ran Barfield off, and botched his replacement hire (Dooley) so badly, that Lowder and Co. were seen as a serious management upgrade. Nobody gave a flip about basketball, though, so the skinny country comedian stayed on, year after year. Finally , when Pat Dye started whipping Bama’s butt, the Auburn nation looked at their basketball coach, and asked, “Why can’t you whip that clown in the plaid jacket?”
……Pretty soon, we were ready to run the basketball guy off, too. He put together another losing regular season, and announced his own resignation, effective at the end of the year. Somehow, after that, with a couple of talented young guys, he put together a 4-game win streak though the SEC Tournament, and went deep into the Big Dance.
……That coach was Sonny Smith, and had we dusted him off like we’re fixing to do to Lebo, we’d have never had the likes of Chuck Person and Charles Barkley. Think, people! Who are we going to replace Lebo with? I’m with Todd. Another year, at least. The guy knows his strategy. I’m eager to see how the rest of the year unfolds…
I might have a different opinion....
if we could actually go out and hire someone like Brad Stephens or another coach who is most likely going to be the next hot commodity…..you know like Billy Donovan before his UF days. Rick Petino before kentucky. But the reality is those coaches would look at AU and then look at some of the other jobs that are open and never look back at AU. The only way to change that is to show someone that you can be successful at AU or that AU will give them time to change the culture at AU. We ran off Cliff Ellis because he did what? Won damn near 60% of his games? And we hired a coach that was an up n comer that had never coached at a midmajor much less a major…..give him another year, show the patience that we need to show. The only other way would be to hire a Bobby Knight and throw a butt load of cash at him so he would come…..that would be rather shortsided and costly, bammeresque you might say.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
If we're...
…going to be Bammeresque and throw a lot of cash at someone, maybe it should be Chuck Barkley. That would shut him up about minority hires for a while, I’m guessing…
:-)
by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 10, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind having Chuckie.....
on the plains if he could do the job. It would be fun to watch him deal with the press and give Jay Jacobs nightmares.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
What if...
He was what we thought he was and we let him off the hook? There is nothing wrong for going after someone who is good. What about the guy out there at Fairfax. If we could win out there, couldn’t he win at Auburn? Is Beard Eves Collesium just that bad? I think Montevallo would have a good shot at beating Auburn this year.
Ask Tom Slater what having awesome facilities does to your crappy program
I don’t buy that Lebo will suddenly become a world-beating coach with a new gym
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by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
BIg difference....
between baseball and basketball as far as recruiting and facilities go. When I was at AU Baird was kicking butt and taking names with the old ballpark (been to nicer HS facilities than the old park). And to be honest I don’t think the new arena will have that much effect on Lebo’s success either. But it will have allure to a young hotshot coach looking for a major school job. And giving Lebo another year shows the next coach that he will have time to build the program….in the nice new facility. I think timing is everything with hiring a new coach at AU and now is not it, just my opinion. When we hire a coach I would like to have him around for a while due to his success….it sucks to have to go on a coach hunt every few years, ask the Bammers.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
And you never know Lebo may turn it around....
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Todd, I think we might as well just agree to disagree here
I truly believe we can get a winning coach and a winning program at Auburn. Jeff Lebo hasn’t shown me anything even resembling a winning program. In one or two games a year, we completely dominate an opponent because our threes are falling. When I watch Auburn basketball on TV, then switch to a Big East or ACC game (not even a top-tier game, maybe a middle-level conference game), I can feel the difference in ability and execution. I hate Lebo’s strategies and playcalling. Really, to me, the only thing Lebo does is motivate his players to give it their all. That’s not enough for me.
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by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
We don't even have to disagree....
I am not a Lebo supporter…I just don’t think the timing of it all will allow for a better coach to be brought in (and by saying that I mean one we know is better). If you hire another mediocre coach now which chances are very good thats what your gonna get you have to endure another 4 or five years of the same……if you wait even one more year our chances of bringing in that hot commodity up’n comer go up substantially.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
The answer is to stop hiring mediocre coaches
We could have had Mike Anderson when we hired Lebo. Lebo came from Tennessee Tech via UTC. His best season ended in the NIT quarterfinals. If you’re going to hire an up-and-comer from a lower league, at least make it a dominant one. Lebo had some good years at TT and UTC, but he was never a deep NCAA threat like Pearl before UT, Horn before South Carolina, Self before Illinois and Kansas, Weber before Illinois, etc. If we get rid of Lebo this year, we need to watch March Madness very closely, look at the lower-to-mid major teams who make a deep run, and hire the coach who was best at turning around his program. Preferably a young guy.
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by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Lebo has ever taken a team to the Tourney....
I could be wrong, correct me if I am. I don’t disagree with the logic……I just think that alot of other schools will be doing the same thing and among those schools AU is not the destination it could be even next year.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
He's had one postseason tournament experience
His 2001-2002 TT team that made the quarters of the NIT. And also, almost every year, there are schools who are at or past our prestige level looking for a head coach. I don’t think we’re gonna be able to wait our way into a year where the Auburn position is one of the tops available.
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by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Not tops available....
that is not my contention. I only state it will be easier to lure a good coach here if we are a bad program with good facilities rather than a bad program with bad facilities…..I just don’t see us in a position to get a decent tournament coach. We are considerably worse off now than we were when we hired Lebo as far as how the program is percieved….in my opinion
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Tom Slater made AU a crappy program....
the program he inherited was top 15 just about every year prior.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
it's stupid articles like this...
that keep Auburn basketball team down. Even if we win, or have a successful year, people like you act like it’s no big deal, because it’s a no lose situation. If we suck, then who cares, cause you didn’t care anyway, if we are good, then you’ll become a 1 year follower and and enjoy the fruits of the winning.
When have we had a successful year under Jeff Lebo?
Zero NCAA tournament appearances. Zero NIT appearances. Best record we’ve had in SEC play under him was the aberrant 7-9 season two years ago. This is his fifth season on the Plains. All the players are his.
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by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Not buying it Todd...
Usually, you have a point and you’re pretty on…this time, you’re totally off basis my friend. Okay, so who do we wait on? There will never be top coaches out there without other teams in contention for them. Until we’re willing to get in there and mix it up with everyone else, we’re not going to be any good. I do care about Auburn basketball very much by the way. That’s why I want someone else. Lebo is not the man to get it done. Legend has a point…this time I agree. I rarely agree with Legend so I have to hit myself and make sure I’m disagreeing with Todd and agreeing with Legend. Yep, I am!
When have we disagreed?
I don’t really remember who I disagree with on blogs, sorry. What did we disagree about?
Note: I’m serious here, not trying to be an ass. I’m really interested in hearing and remembering what we disagreed about.
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by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Saban mostly
You seem to disagree with me about Saban. I guess other than that not a whole lot when I think about it.
Ohhh I gotcha
Like the whole James Willis thing? Yeah, I’m not mad at Saban for taking him. I’m still angry at Willis, though!
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by jd is legend on Feb 11, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
That's cool....
either way I don’t think there is a wrong answer here. I have stated several times in this post that I don’t disagree that Lebo hasn’t done what he was hired to do and that it wouldn’t crush me if he were let go. That being said I still say we stand a better chance of getting a quality coach with the new facility than right now. AU has botched its hiring of new coaches for the basketball program on a regular basis and I would just like them to get it right one time. I also have very little faith that Jacobs can do this which really isn’t part of my point but rather just an observation. I don’t disagree that AU basketball could be ALOT better and should be. I do care about AU basketball and always have and I watch or listen to every game that I can…..always have. And to be honest I didn’t think Beard-Eaves was in that bad a shape until a couple of years ago when I had the opportunity to see it again. The “renovation” that took out the nose bleeds didn’t improve it and it looks pretty ratty. With that being said I just don’t see where its an advantage to go out and hire a coach that can’t get it done again….and I am afraid that barring luck thats what we will get.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
And if you think Lebo is bad.....
you should have seen Tommy Joe Eagles (RIP) AU teams. I know what AU basket ball could be but I also know what it is now.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
What if we have Jacobs and the new facility?
My only question about that is that are you saying to wait on until the new facility? As far as Jay Jacobs, no one disagrees with you on here. I personally thinks he’s out to ruin Auburn. Then again, I am ever the paranoid individual. I am just hopeful that we could get lucky with someone. If we don’t, I guess we’re better off with Lebo but he’s not a good coach for our team. I hate his excuses. I’d rather take a worse coach who says it’s his fault than someone who consistently whines and says he’s needs something else. Obviously, it’s never anything he did. Coudln’t we have gotten that guy out at UAB? Why the hell did we get Lebo instead????
Then at least we have the new facility.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
So you would take franklin back....
if malzahn turns out to be bad and blames everyone but himself? And it is a mystery to me why we didn’t hire Mike Anderson when we had the chance. But we didn’t and AU basketball is worse off for it……but if we are patient we can get a coach that can get it done and it might (I’m saying "might") even be the one you don’t expect in Lebo.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
He is black
Why should it matter? Is that the point you’re trying to make, that our administration isn’t ready to hire a black head coach in anything?
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by jd is legend on Feb 11, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
It should never matter...
and I hope that our administation and BOT prove themselves to be above that sort of ignorance.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
HE IS BLACK
I love it. well played sir
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Feb 11, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Hahaha
I didn’t mean to sound like he is no longer with us. I guess do the “was” thing so much because I teach history. Though, you would think teaching ethics this semester would get me out of that mode. Oh well.
Oh who are you fooling...
You attended Barn University but you never graduated from AU
by The Voice of Reason on Feb 12, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I said I attended it, and I happened to do quite while out there
However, I had to return home because my mother nearly died with some surgery complications so I had to take care of her. I would’ve been fine and gotten my Master’s Degree there, but I had to take care of my mother. Now, if you want to make some sort of jerky remark about it, then by all means, you go right ahead Mr. Voice of Reason.
For the record, I do have have it now and I do teach history in college. The statement I responded to was that it was said I never even went to Auburn, which is not true. Furthermore, I’ve lived there off and on for the last two years. This time, I had other family members with health issues that have made me travel back and forth over the years.
Oh and to make it clear
I got my MA while my mother was sick from a place closer to home. I needed to take care of her and get my degree and take care of my teenage little sister. If you ask me, that was a hell of an accomplishment. However, I don’t flaunt my intelligence on here. Soon, I’m going to get my doctorate from history in Auburn. First of all, though, I have to get everything in order so that I can put forth the work necessary for a doctorate.
Sorry about your mother
No joke seriosly never would make a remark about something…As much as I like to debate and defend myself and team right and wrong ….I am a decent man…..I was however pointing out the obvious that you did not graduate from the school for whatever reason…..I am glad you finished your degree and are now a teacher….It is also reassuring to know that all of our taxes are going to the school system to support the teachers who work so hard everyday to educate the future of our nation…………..that is when they are not blogging all day wasting tax dollars
Jealousy is the thread that holds TET threads together!
by The Voice of Reason on Feb 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Cool
Then your students can call you Dr. Sparkey who still teaches inbetween blog sessions but now has a new prefix in front of his name
Jealousy is the thread that holds TET threads together!
by The Voice of Reason on Feb 13, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
You just had to get that
last shot in on Sparkey. I thought you were going to surprise me and be decent but you just had to get that shot in.
nice pic
Maybe that is why Todd92 prefers to not actually put up his real picture..but seriously are you a alabama fan who found the ugliest red neck pick up an auburn fan and put it up as a joke to make the auburn faithful look well the picture says it all
by The Voice of Reason on Feb 12, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Translation?
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Feb 12, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
ok
I will see your racism and raise it ignorance
by The Voice of Reason on Feb 12, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
You should give up and change your name....
it doesn’t fit you.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I wasn't trying to point it out
I just remembered it honestly. I didn’t even remember much about it, and until the Turner Gill issue, race didn’t even come to mind. Now it looks more suspicious and I never thought about him being black until now. Honestly before, I was too nieve on the whole thing and never thought AU saw any difference in skin color. That, however, was before I knew about Lowder and his control and how he doesn’t seem to be so racially progressive to put it mildly. The whole thing just seems all too coincidental if you ask me.
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