Gadsden Area Car Dealership Raided by Feds, State Agents
by War Eagle Atlanta on May 15, 2009 4:59 PM CDT
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Crown Motors, in Gadsden and Anniston, which sells Dodge, Chrysler and Kia vehicles, has been shut down temporarily after a morning raid by Federal and state agents who hauled away financial documents and left behind yellow crime scene tape. One additional dealership in Ft. Payne also was raided.
While the reason for the raid is unknown at this time, it can be mentioned that this is the same dealership that is rumored to have improperly provided vehicles at little or no cost to players of a certain school, all funneled through a certain booster club. Whether or not today's investigation is linked to this rumor is pure speculation. You'll have to draw your own conclusions in time.
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Oh my, Please don’t tell me that there is really something to that rumor. I hear rumors all the time about cheating but rarely do they come true. USC and then Bama. The only thing better would be if Notre Dame got their cherry popped after that.
I would bust a stitch laughing.
I wonder if that dealership...
…..is on the Chrysler “cut” list?
……If the Feds are involved, it’s probably not an NCAA-spearheaded thing, sorry to say. Sounds like the government is on a revenue hunt.
Sounds like that to me...
but the coincidence is interesting. Who’s to say that the NCAA couldn’t use any information gleaned from the investigation?
I think eventually we see the Feds getting involved in SOME NCAA infractions—mainly those involving agents, probably. Perhaps those involving boosters, too.
by War Eagle Atlanta on May 16, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
It sounds like that to me too. However, if in fact they were funneling cars to a few top recruits and trying not to leave a trail then prehaps they tried to do it without a paper trail. i.e. a sales slip. If thats the case then the government would have a problem with that as well as the NCAA. Plus doesn’t the State attorney’s office have to be notified now if any NCAA infractions are pending against one of the state schools? Thought that was apart of the resolution they had the last time the NCAA went after alabama.
No matter what, it is quite a coincidence.
As a car dealer myself...
I can tell you that the number one reason a dealership would get raided would be for failure to remit sales tax revenue, which for a large size francise store could be tens of thousands of dollars a month. That would certainly explain the state’s interest. As far as the Feds, the only reason they might be involved would be if there were suspected irregularities in tax returns OR failure to pay payroll taxes—the most likely scenario.
by War Eagle Atlanta on May 16, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The dealership was sold not too long ago.....
to the accountant that did the books for the former owner. Don’t know what it could be but it could be from dealings of the former owner or the current owner. Have’nt heard a peep of credible rumors.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
One can hope, right??? lol
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Waaaay too convenient!
To me, this is just way to convenient. It may not come to anything, but I’m sorry it looks really really suspicious. I imagine it’s tax evasion, but at the same time they might want some sort of accountability for those nice Chargers riding around in the area. I mean, we hear rumors, see Kirkpatrick with such a car that just happens to be Crimson red, and the dealership they say it came from just got raided? You want to try to tell me that neither have anything to do with each other…are you serious I don’t wish probation on anyone, but this just seems way too convenient to not be UA cheating. I’m sorry, it just seems like Alabama is flat out cheating. If it is, it should go on probation as should any school. Just don’t try to tell me this means nothing, I don’t buy it for one second. Do I think anything will happen to Bama on this one? No. I really think they’re going to let off Scott-Free and that’s totally BS.
I don't think it is anything NCAA related
although I could be wrong – I am, after all, a homer.
But look at it objectively. Bama suffered a great deal from the Means case; how stupid would it be for two of the top recruits nationally to be riding around in brand new crimson colored cars after signing with Bama being provided by boosters. I just don’t think that would happen given our recent history. That’s pretty blatant and, honestly, highly unlikely that any Bama fan or booster or official would be that obvious about passing around money.
But I could be wrong :p
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
The only likely scenario...
would be some rogue boosters, but even that seems far fetched. We’ve basically sat on these rumors for months. I don’t know if anything will come out of it, but this raid certainly raises more questions.
by War Eagle Atlanta on May 16, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Now watch the universe explode! lol
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 19, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't buy it.
It has nothing to do with me being an Auburn man. It just seems all way too convenient though. Don’t worry, nothing will come of it.
This thread is beneath you guys... I hoped
Tigers,
As I have said before, I appreciate you guys welcoming me on this thread as a Bama fan. I have promised that I will never talk smack, as all I want to do is talk football, and I will not break that promise now. However, I never said I would not criticize a thread that I believe to be beneath this group. This thread is very AL.com(ish) and is based on nothing more than innuendo.
Let me preface this by saying that I have lived in Gadsden for 15 years now. I’ll just leave that at that. I didn’t live and work here for 15 years and not get to know anyone.
This dealership has allegedly been under internal investigation by a bank, who I will not name, but is known REGIONally. This bank was informed two years ago, that they were financially backing dozens of cars that this dealership no longer had in it’s possession. No new car dealership owns any vehicle on the lot or showroom. These cars are all owned by the manufacturer and the bank that is backing the dealership, and sold by the dealership. That is the root cause of that investigation and it has nothing to do with the NCAA or any University.
It wasn’t Dre Kirkpatrick that was driving the crimson Dodge Charger this year. It is Jerrell Harris that has been driving the Charger since last year.
Let me give you a scenario, Jerrel Harris’ parents raised him with moderate means, yet they were able to set aside enough money for him to go to college… they started when he was ten years old or younger. By the time he was eighteen and graduating from college he had earned a full ride football scholarship to college. Do you guys honestly think his parents would not be able to buy him a nice car? I would buy him one. "Hey son, you have pulled off something that less than 3% of college students have been able to accomplish. Here is a nice car for you… I will retire on the rest.
Do you guys honestly think that Coach Saban needs to buy a recruit a nice car to get him to sign with The Crimson Tide? Do you guys honestly think that?
Jerrell Harris hasn’t even started one game nor is he listed as a starter… but Bama bought him a car?
This thread is beneath you. I am disappointed. You might want to sell this to the Enquirer.
I have to either stop drinking.... or drink more
bama
yeah they are crooks always have been and i cant find where they have 12 titles so they must be liers to
by tigersince84 on May 17, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
But inquiring minds want to know!
The money lent to car dealers to purchase inventory is known as a floorplan, and when you sell a car, you’re supposed to pay the bank off. If you don’t, you’re what they call out of trust and it can trigger severe penalties from the lender, including calling the line due and having your remaining inventory picked up. In no shape, form or fashion is it anything other than a civil case. It would not trigger a state or federal audit of any type unless you were compounding it in a most egregious way, so this IS NOT the reason for the raids.
Since you’re in Gadsden, you’ve obviously heard the rumors. Anything else you can add?
by War Eagle Atlanta on May 18, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I do
I am about to become one of those "I am going to claim to be in the know but I can’t reveal my source" people whom I detest. I know the whistle blower personally and cannot reveal anything about this person because that conversation was conducted in confidence. Now, keep in mind, I have no reason to know conclusively that was the reason for the raid. I am 99% sure however and have been surprised that it took so long.
As to the floor planning always being civil matters, you are right most of the time. I have been a police officer for over 20 years and worked more than 5 of those as a fraud investigator. I worked several floor planning cases during that period of time and, though what you said is true most of the time, the litmus test is what is the situation at the time the funds are fronted. In other words, do you actually have the car at the time the money is provided? Remember, we are talking about new cars here, shipped directly from the manufacturer to a reputable and established dealer. It is not unusual at all for these transactions to take place on paper and no one ever verifies that the vehicles even exist or are in the possession of the dealership that is being backed. You just keep robbing Peter to pay Paul and it could go on forever unless either the dealership folds and has to provide proof of inventory to a Federal bankruptcy court, and the lender, or an office manager gets scared, or pissed off, and blows the whistle on the way out the door. If a dealership is not on the up and up, then they have to put their office manager in the middle. Unless the office manager is your wife or mother, that is a ticking time bomb.
I am not saying that this dealership did this, I don’t know that first hand, but I am saying this… If you receive funding from a lender based upon collateral that you provide falsified documentation that you have possession of, then you have defrauded that lender. That is not a civil matter. That is a crime.
I have to either stop drinking.... or drink more
by LifelongBammer on May 18, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
When you go get duplicate
titles to floor, forgery is the normal charge. Fraud can be one, too. That’s what I meant above by compounding it in a most egregious way.
Still can’t figure out the Feds; involvement.
by War Eagle Atlanta on May 20, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
To summarize what I said above
The University of Alabama Crimson Tide does not have to buy cars or pay recruits.
I really would have thought that would have been beneath you guys on this thread. I really thought you guys were better than that.
I have to either stop drinking.... or drink more
Wishful thinking, much?
…..Yeah, probably so. Some folks like to see the Tide get every ounce of misery possible. I felt that way for many years, after a Bama uncle spray-painted “Roll Tide” on my mother’s green car. Why did he do it? The Connie Fredrick fake punt TD in 1969. I figured every Bama fan was like my relatives! These days, I’d rather see what happens when neither team is struggling. One of my favorite Iron Bowl set-ups was in 1994, when both teams came in undefeated. Heck, my tax dollars go to both schools. And I even have a few rational Bama grad friends. I tellya, it’s hard to keep the hate going, when folks are reasonable!
…..I think you’ll notice that even the author admits in the comments that the raid is likely tax-fraud based, as did several other regulars here. There are wild rumors off the chat rooms constantly. I don’t pay them much mind. Real recruiting violations? I’ll believe ’em when an NCAA “letter of inquiry” materializes.
Nice post
I usually enjoy your posts, AR. There are crap fans on both sides, and unfortunately we all have those relatives.
I am personally more concerned for the text book penalties than anything this would produce.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 19, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
bama
yes bama would pay for players they have been for years remember means yep every time bama has a good season they get caught if it was bull sht they would not get penelties from it saban has always been a crook remember nixon and watergate well he was a crook so saban and bookgate and saban will be found as a crook war dam eagle
Use a period, man!
I got lost in the lack of punctuation, but I think you just said that since Nixon was a crook, Saban is a crook. I like your logic there.
And Bama has been paying players for years? Name two (Means and …..). I love ignorant, blanket statements (especially without periods).
I can name 10+ recruits in the past three years that have been paid by AU boosters, because I WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED! No BCS college football program is 100% clean, and anyone who says differently is in serious denial. But if you love college football like I do, you have to take the good with the bad. Do I wish it was different? Hell Yes! But it is what it is, and the faster you can deal with that, the better you’ll be…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
At first I thought you said "That guy is on a roll"
Which would have been funnier
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 18, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait...
Are you saying you were physically present when AU players were paid?
Indeed I have been, but...
to be clear, we’re talking recruits here, not necessarily AU players. In fact, the company I used to work for “employed” a recruit’s father up until national signing day when he went with another school. Talk about a kick in the nuts to my boss. It’s amazing, you’d think that providing a recruit and his family with “goods and services” would make him a lock to sign with that given school. It does not, however. I’d say that of the one’s I’ve seen over the past 3 years, only half have signed with AU.
But this is what makes the college football world go ‘round, unfortunately. And please don’t get me wrong; I’m not criticizing AU, here, because I know that this is just as much a part of “recruiting” as official visits. But this is why I find it absolutely hilarious when “allegations” of Alabama cheating are made to be such a big deal by AU fans.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
the second would be Gene Jelks if you really need to find one.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
We can also file that one under...
“Players AU Has Paid”. But you didn’t know that, or you wouldn’t have brought that up…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
LOL...
My father in law helped buy him a car……ironically at Crown Dodge. My father in law didn’t get implicated but his buddies did. Just quit.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Sh*t happens, I guess...
I never have understood the process or method by which the NCAA rounds these guys up who are supposedly involved. Even in the Means case, if I recall correctly, they obviously knew they had the right guy, but without just cause, they start rounding up additional people at random. And in the process, some guilty parties got away, and some innocent parties were run through the mud. Guilty by association, I guess.
Which side was your father-in-law affiliated with during his display of generosity?
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
I shouldn't have to say this but.....
he is a Bammer through and through. His “guilty” buddies (bankers) here in Gadsden were disassociated from the University as a result of the Jelks fiasco. Jelks was compensated to commit to bama and he was paid while he was there.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Why shouldn't you have to say "this"...
Because Bama is the only school with crooked boosters? Why do you think Jelks came forward; because his concious was getting to him? It’s no coincidence that Jelks came forward exactly 7 days after AU received an official NCAA letter of inquiry about the Ramsey fiasco.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Because......
Gene Jelks (whom I consider to be a person of low character) was paid to play at UAT not AU…..if he recieved money after his playing days by AU boosters that is no infraction (although admittedly underhanded, like the Bammer lawyers that paid for Ramseys testimony). Ramsey though you may note never presented evidence of “pay for play” as Jelks did.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Ok, just misinterpreted that statement.
However, it was indicated in one of Ramsey’s tapes that Corky Frost had set up for Ramsey to receive $100 for every int and $500 for every TD. Sounds like “pay for play” to me.
And as far as the reason Ramsey came clean… Even Pat Dye said he attributes that completely to Ramsey’s wife, and the fact that her sister’s husband had just gotten drafted by the Falcons, and that this was their chance to get publicity and get rich. The guy had tapes from his sophomore year, so how could “Bammer lawyers” have gotten to him that early? So he was in informer for his entire AU playing career? Fact is that Bama had absolutely NOTHING to do with Ramsey and his tapes or allegations.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
You are correct on one account....
Ramsey taped his conversations of his own accord and was motivated by greed. But you are incorrect about the pay for play…..there was never any evidence of pay for play other than Ramsey’s unsubstantiated testimony….not a single shred. Every single tape was of Ramsey begging for money to pay his bills and feed his wife and kids. The bammer lawyers helped bring out the charges after he realized that he would not be going pro……admittedly he went to them first. AU had no more to do with Jelks than Bama did Ramsey….Jelks was a pretty much a mirror image…..seeking to gain from his own failure to go pro by turning on the ones who had nurtured him.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Pay for Play...
This backs up what I said about Ramsey’s payment schedule with Frost. (Last paragraph under “The Scandal Breaks”)
Regardless of the “reason” for the payment (i.e. on the field accomplishments, off the field needs, etc.) any player that gets paid, gets paid to play. Dye and company didn’t get him money out of the goodness of their heart, and I think you would agree. They began setting this stuff up because Ramsey admittedly threatened to quit playing football to get a job in order to make ends meet.
As far as their motives to come forward, you may be correct about the Bama lawyers. However, in Jelks case, he had no reason to come forward other than being “convinced” to do so by the opposition. And once again, it’s no coincidence that Jelks came forward a week after the LOI. On the other hand, it’s obvious that Ramsey felt that he was mistreated throughout his playing career, and had every intention of squeeling as soon as his playing career was over (assuming he didn’t get drafted). Again, you may be right, but I just don’t see how anyone (Bama boosters, family, friends, or Santa) could have played a role in convincing him to come forward when he did. He seemed convinced from his sophomore season as to what he was going to do.
The only thing I can figure (and maybe this is what you were saying) is that he wanted some money for coming forward, and the opposition were the only people who would fund it. I even think that’s a stretch, though, because that would indicate that he had been plotting this scenario since he was a sophomore, and that may be giving him way too much credit…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Widipedia?
Really? Thats your proof? Come on dude you need something better than that. First of all the Corky Frost allegations were never more than allegations from Ramsey and the NCAA didn’t put AU on probation because of Ramseys “say so”. AU was put on probation because of the taped conversations between Ramsey and Larry Blakeney every one of which was Ramsey begging for money. Ramsey was given money by Blakeney for groceries, bills, etc…..with Ramsey taping the begging sessions. As someone who read and re-read the transcripts of the tape that were released I personally think you need to do a little better than Wikipedia.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Ok, sorry...
using Wikipedia as a source was a little lazy on my part. Therefore, I’ve attached a Rome, GA paper from 1991 who published this column after an interview with Ramsey’s attorney. It makes reference to Ramsey having a payment schedule set up for interceptions a couple of times in the column.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Once again....
the NCAA found no evidence of pay for play other than Ramsey’s own testimony. Therefore it was never proven nor was it acted upon by the NCAA….no canceled checks, no corroboration from any source what so ever. The entire body of evidence acted upon by the NCAA were the tapes of Ramsey Begging for money…..and if you have never read any of the transcripts that were made available perhaps you should.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
There's just no pleasing you, Todd...
but this one should do the trick…
Section II, B, 5 of this document (the public report written by the NCAA based on the findings and subsiquent punishment of the AU football program) says, and I quote:
Following the 1990 Hall of Fame Bowl game, the representative provided $100 cash to the student-athlete for the young man’s performance in the game. Subsequent to the Hall of Fame Bowl game and prior to the 1990 football season, the representative and the student-athlete discussed a bonus payment system based upon the young man’s performance in football games (e.g., big hits, touchdowns and interceptions). As a result of this agreement, the representative provided cash totaling at least $700 to the student-athlete after 1990 home football contests.
Once again, Pay for Play did occur in Ramsey’s case as well…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
I had either...
forgotten or failed to read the transcripts of the tapes Ramsey made with Frost. I concede there were pay for play allegations made by the NCAA…….the tapes still consisted mostly of Ramsey begging for money and I maintain that you should read them if you get the opportunity (it has been years since I have seen any but surely they are still available). I was one of the unfortunates that had his presence sully my commencement ceremony……I however turned my back as did a number of people around me when he and his skanky ex-wife Twilitta crossed the stage…..most others booed and a few shouted obscenities. Either way AU was dragged through the mud by someone it had helped immensley much as Jelks did UA……neither will or should be forgiven. Donald Watkins is also a sleaze bag……must be an embarrassment to have to claim him as a bammer.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I agree...
as to what the majority of the tapes consisted of; there was never any doubt about that.
And that must have sucked to have one of the proudest days of your life be overshadowed by something like that. After noticing the 92 in your name, I wondered if you were there for his graduation (as well as yours, of course).
I honestly don’t know much about Watkins other than the fact that he graduated from Bama Law. And him representing Ramsey didn’t have any thing to do with where he graduated from as much as it did Ramsey’s allegations of racism and Watkin’s interest in those type of cases. His collegiate ties are to Alabama State.
Anyway, appreciate the discussion. Have a good one.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
tigersince84, you are one of two things
1) A fellow Bama fan trolling an Auburn blog with nothing intelligent to say in the middle of a legitimate conversation. In which case you are an embarrassment to me and my Bama brethren who are visiting here.
or
2) An Auburn fan with embarrassingly poor grammar spouting some lower end rhetoric. In which case you are an embarrassment to them.
Either way, you are an embarrassment to someone. I suspect curtain no. 1 is the case. Go home little brother. Mamma says dinner is ready.
I have to either stop drinking.... or drink more
by LifelongBammer on May 18, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me offer another perspective
War Eagle Atlanta,
I didn’t mean to belittle your thread. I hope you didn’t take it that way. I love chatting football with you. You do more to foster real football talk between here and RollBamaRoll , and who knows where else, than anyone I have seen on any blogs.
I appreciate that. I HATE all the smack talk that goes on in most blogs (unless it is Tennessee). Smack talk does nothing to stimulate my mind during the off season. It is nothing more than a schoolyard fight.
Anyway, on to the point. Let’s all pretend for just a moment that we don’t live in the great state of Alabama… we are not Auburn or Alabama fans…. Follow the watch.. we are now all hypnotized…. Ok, here is the question….
Does anyone on this thread really believe that The University of Alabama, or their boosters, would be so stupid as to purchase several $30,000.00 plus vehicles for high school recruits so that they would sign with Bama… and then expect them not to tell anyone. That would be the death of the Bama Football program for the foreseeable future.
Come on now… Hands up… who really thinks that Bama is paying recruits to play for The Crimson Tide?
I have to either stop drinking.... or drink more
Please dont give WEA a bigger head
than he already has :p
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on May 19, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering the boosters here in Gadsden that are accused?
My hand is up.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Raid was over Unpaid Taxes
The agents involved with the raid where Treasury Dept and IRS Agents. It wasn’t State or local. It was a Federal Tax Sting. The Fifth District Federal Judge signed the Warrant. So I have come to my conclusion it had nothing to do with a certain school crap. FOX 6 Birmingham. Dealerships around the country are scamming the tax laws in order to make end meet. 121 dealerships have been sieze by Uncle Sam. Google it.
(You’ll have to draw your own conclusions in time.) Well it did not take much time to get the info.
boosters will
i believe there are boosters all over the country that feel they know how to get away with it. i do not think that schools should be punished for such rediculous mis-representation from these boosters. text books, fake press conferences, eventually limo’s- those you hold the school accountable for. as for boosters, it seems like rogue sports agents have more penalties for making a (mind you a very nice) living. i believe bama boosters, and auburn boosters do things all the time. prove that a school official asked them to, then you you have a direct tie.
I totally agree with you on this one
How do you hold a college accountable for the actions of an independant booster? What a fool and his money does? If you can show that the college sollicited the booster in any way then it’s game on but if they acted on their own just for bragging rights in their sky box how is that a transgression on the part of the school? IMHO, the appropriate punishment for that would be that the school can no longer take money from that booster, including the booster sky box lease.
I feel the same way about the text book infractions. How is any university going to keep up with everything every student athlete does all of the time? It just isn’t possible. The textbook issue offers no athletic advantage to Bama. It had no impact on any game at any time. Wait, yes it did. It caused Bama to self report and suspend several key players on the morning of the Tennessee game. As you guys probably know, that is a big game for us outside the IB. You guys hate UGA…. we hate Tennessee. We still beat them 41-10 that day but I’m just saying. Bama self reported and paid the price and gave the athletic advantage to the opponent on an infraction that would not otherwise give an athletic advantage to anyone. Spanking recieved.
I have to either stop drinking.... or drink more
by LifelongBammer on May 20, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
But if you recall, LLBammer...
UT is the ONLY game we won with that group gone, including two embarrassing losses to the likes of Mississippi State and UL Monroe.
Also, I agree with you that it’s rediculous that the entire program has to suffer for the actions of a few boosters, players, and recruits. However, SOMEONE has to be punished. How rediculous was it that Bama was handed sanctions for Antonio Langham signing his name to a cocktail napkin? (I realize the was a bit more to it, but you see my point) Someone had to be punished. What are you going to do, punish the individual? That very rarely gets anything accomplished, but by punishing the virtually innocent “big picture”, the point is made to all who care about the greater good. IMO, it’s the only way to do it, however unfair and unfortunate it may be.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
You don't have to have a direct tie.....
from the booster to the school for the most serious offense (Lack of Institutional Control). You only have to fail to recognize or ignore the problem.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
That is just my point
How can a university be held accountable for failure to recognize or ignore a problem when the issue is one or two recruits, who are not even part of the team yet. Or one player, such as Langham, who is leaving the team for the NFL. Once again, no competetive advantage is to be gained.
Failure to catch a couple of potential recruit’s, or outgoing player’s, transgressions does not strike me as “Lack of Institutional Control” especially when the violation is inititated by an outside booster. It seems to me that successfully keeping the other 197 players in check is pretty good evidence of “Effective Institutional Control”
If a booster steps out of line, then his/her money is no longer welcome at that university. In any way, to include his/her skybox, TidePride membership or anything else.
Don’t punish the kid though. The University has already been punished and the booster is banished.
I have to either stop drinking.... or drink more
I don't disagree that the NCAA......
has an ineffective method of dealing with the transgressions. But, nonetheless, that is the method. A school, such as for instance USC, has to keep track of the situation with Bush and his family because the moment that something becomes obvious if they bury their head in the sand (as it appears they did) they are complicit. And to do nothing is a “Lack of Institutional Control”. It is the way it has always been and I don’t see it changing in the foreseeable future.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
bama paying?again
they did it they do it its not a big deal only bama fans can sit and be proud that a coach that cost way to much and puts the fans down and blames everything and everyone but himself for the failure for the last 2 games bama was so desperate that this is what its come to i mean come on guys shula could have been the best coach for bama if all these players that claim to love bama football (but no one wanted to be at bama)would have came for him maybe the tickets would not be as high if shula was still there do you really think a yankee coach that is known to lie cheat and steal really cares for alabama if hes as good as yawll think he is if notre dame pays him 5 million a year hes gone just to keep urban myer from getting there it would be worth it for dame to pay that much for him before he ruins sec football for everyone we already get laughed at on a daily basis just for the fact that we live in alabama we dont need this shit hes got bama loaded for the next 6 years we dont need him here anymore get him back up north where he needs to be
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well i understand that im not a great typest like you people are but i have a life other than impressing a bunch of excuse finding nerds langham was paid julio is being paid smith was already signed with an agent before the season even started and if every school cheats why does bama al ways cheat better auburn won 5 games if thats becuse of cheating they need to stop cause it dont help seems to me bama and florida was the only schools to have a good season but all of the schools were cheating they need to turn bama into what it has been destined to be a state pen the convicts are already there all they have to do is put bars over the windows and also if you dont like my typing i didnt tell you to read it so just skip over my replys
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