Despite Championships, Meyer Still Hasn't Gotten Over Auburn
Good Monday morning to all of you. There's no word yet on what Gene Chizik is planning this week for his coaching staff - but it's early. Tiger Prowl continues to get a lot of national attention with ESPN and CBS Sportsline picking up the story over the weekend. It also got the attention of Florida Coach Urban Meyer who suddenly decided to get pious on us.
He was asked about Auburn's recent road trip by Gainsville Sun writer Pat Dooley and from his answer it's apparent he still hasn't gotten over those two whipping by Auburn in recent years. Here's an excerpt from the article:
STRETCHING RULES: You may have read where Auburn used stretch limos to parade recruits around the state of Alabama. The idea was that the limos would not only appeal to the kids but get Auburn plenty of attention because of the decals on the limos.
The real question here is whether other schools will follow suit or will the NCAA enact a new rule banning their use. We've seen the NCAA react to excessive meals and plane trips as well as text messaging. Can this be far behind?
"I think it should," Urban Meyer told Dooley Noted when asked if the NCAA will get involved. "We're trying to sell graduation rates and academics and trying the sing and dance routine.
"The Florida coaching staff will not be riding around in limos or ripping off our shirts."
That's an obvious reference to reports that some Tennessee assistants ripped off their shirts in front of recruits.
There's no question that Meyer is one of the top coaches in America. There's little doubt his program is among the top five nationally. But to say, "We're trying to sell graduation rates and academics" is like Nick Saban saying he can't find Gadsden on a map. It just doesn't fly.
I talked to a recruit who attended the Florida-South Carolina game last year and he said he actually put his wallet in his front pocket because of the recruits who were there visiting. He said they were cast straight from the streets of Miami. The only thing Urban Meyer is trying to do is win football games. Don't give us this crap about graduation rates and academics.
A reader noted last week that number 60 in the picture is Pat Dye.
We made mention last week of Ed Dyas being elected to the College Football Hall of Fame. Looking at that black and white photo, it's real easy to dismiss him as an old codger who played a brand of football many of us can't relate to these days. That would be a mistake. Simply put, Dyas was a bad dude on the football field. Looking at his stats, you wonder what took the Hall so long to induct him.
An All-American fullback in 1960, Dyas set an NCAA record for most field goals in a season with 13. Four of those were game winners. Let that sink in for a minute. In addition to playing in the backfield, he also played linebacker for Shug Jordan.
He finished fourth in the Heisman balloting in 1960 and also was selected captain of the 1960 Scholastic All-America team. When his career ended, he was the sixth all-time leading rusher in Auburn history.
"I was quite shocked when I got the news," Dyas said. "This is just a wonderful day, and I'm so proud to be inducted. I'm very humbled and thankful that this prestigious honor would happen to me. There have been so many great Auburn players that deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, and I'm excited to be joining those individuals that are already members of the Hall of Fame."
The highlights didn't stop in 1960 for Dyas. A gifted student, he went on to medical school and is a highly respected orthopedic surgeon in Mobile, Alabama. Congrats to you Dr. Dyas from all of us here at Track'em Tigers.
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Academics...
Wasn’t academics the reason Urban isn’t coaching under Touchdown Jesus at Notre Dame right now? Urban wanted ND to relax their admission standards for a handful of recruits, because he said that if ND didn’t, it would put him at a recruiting disadvantage.
Notre Dame refused… Urban went to Florida… the rest is history. And now he makes this comment? Funny how memories become so short-term if it benefits the person in the mirror.
No
Notre Dame basically offered him whatever he wanted, but he decided to go to Florida for his family. He didn’t want to have to go recruiting from coast to coast every year, and Florida offered him the opportunity to recruit close to home.
According to his biography, he actually decided to take the Notre Dame job but his wife talked him out of it on that basis. And for what it’s worth, the team GPA has either gone up or remained steady every year he’s been at Florida.
He should however.....
take note of AU’s place among top Atheletic Programs that actually graduate their atheletes before spewing out his diarhea of the mouth. He might actually see that AU is far ahead of Jorts U.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Really?
Florida was second in the conference in the NCAA’s 2008 Graduation Success Rate report behind only Vandy. Auburn was sixth. That doesn’t sound like “far ahead” to me.
Interesting....
and I am glad that UF is doing well in the GSR. It should be noted however that the GSR is 6 years behind and it is 4 year average of those years it also is mislabeled as the Graduation Success Rate as it includes all atheletes who are academically eligable when they depart school and not just the ones who recieve a degree. I also referred to the Atheletic Department in whole and not just the football program. In light of all of this I was referring to AU’s consistant showing in the NCAA’s Academic Productivity Rating (APR) which is a reference to the current condition of the atheletes eligibility and standings…..of which AU was one of only 3 BCS schools to make the best of list in 2006…..and was one of the top 3 division IA schools in football in 2006. Urban Meyers contention was that AU was not promoting academics which is an absurd and childish response…..my intent was and is purely to show how wrong and idiotic his statement was (not a hard thing to do).
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
The most recent numbers have Florida with a 962 and Auburn with a 953 in football. It covers the 2003-04 through 2006-07 academic years. Again, this is not “far behind.”
I have stated my intent....
and while I didn’t single out football until the previous post…..I regret not looking up UF’s most recent APR before the first post. Once again my intent was only to show how idiotic Meyers statement was and I believe that was achieved. Kudos to Jorts U for doing so well…..but the fact remains that AU is among the best “Atheletic Departments” in terms of APR in the nation which is why Meyer’s statement sounds like sour grapes.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
You can express whatever opinion of the man you want to, and I won’t care. Think it sounds like sour grapes? Okay, you’re entitled to your opinion and I’m not going to argue about it.
When you go into the realm of facts, please make sure you get them correct.
Really?
the fact remains that AU is among the best "Atheletic Departments" in terms of APR in the nation
Isn’t Auburn one of only 3 SEC schools that is losing scholarships this year because of bad APR marks?
Since the APR was just released yesterday.....
I could not have foreseen that Mens Track lost .03 scholarships (how do you lose .03 scholarships?), Mens Basketball lost 1 scholarship, and Mens Swimming lost .99 scholarships (again .99?). The mens basketball and track programs were halfway expected snce they were noted as being slightly substandard in the 2008 APR, yet AU was listed as being in good shape everywhere else so the basketball program was given another year to correct things. I have one question for the Swim team though, and it is simply, WTF?
I made my statements based on the APR’s that were available when I made the statements and I also know that what problems are there are minor and will be corrected promptly. I am confused as to why the swim team had a penalty assessed…….seems to be some sort of adjustable scale based partially on the sport in question and all sports in some sort of weighted average with a historical penalty history factoring in. And since there is no historical penalty for the Swim Team their penalty is confusing.
Based on what I can tell there are 4 SEC teams with penalties and 3 with scholarship reductions and only 1 (Ole Miss) will lose any for football (3 scholarships). Gonna be hard for Nutt to sign 30+ next year. I still say Meyer would do well to keep his mouth shut……….I noticed that crow was eaten by the gator writer who wrote the article that started Meyers diarhea of the mouth.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Well, I don't disagree with anything you just said...
and I haven’t looked at last year’s APR ratings and I haven’t added up this years scores of the big 3 sports to rank all of the SEC teams, but AU doesn’t appear to be among the best in the SEC, much less the nation. I think the point goes to the Florida fans here…
As far as losing 0.03 and 0.99 scholarships, some NCAA sports (e.g. Baseball) give out partial scholarships to players. Scholarship management in those sports is essential, and much more difficult than say football. So while it doesn’t make sense to lose partial scholarships in sports like basketball or football, it does matter in the partial scholarship sports.
I understand the partial scholarships.....
but one has to wonder how they came up with .03 scholarships……I mean really does losing 3% of one scholarship seem logical? Seems like the NCAA has come up with some formula that may surpass the BCS in the confusing section. And once again I made my statements based on past APR ratings and what was reported about them…..the ‘09 APR was released sometime yesterday. I never intended to start any argument over APR’s but rather show the stupidity of Meyer’s statement……which it was. Wasn’t intending on getting their Jorts in a wad over the APR…….and I will admit that I should have researched their APR before saying that they were behind but for gods sake the point is Meyer sounded like an idiot with his statement.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Sorry, but you've been misinformed...
This is the best I could find after five years, but it was a hot topic at the time:
Why do you think Urban Meyer took the Florida job in December 2004 when he could have taken his “dream job” — his words — at Notre Dame? Meyer knew he could win more easily at Florida. Winning consistently in college football is tough enough without having to fight the admissions office at every turn. Quarterback Tony Rice led Notre dame to a national title in 1988. Rice, who was admitted under Proposition 48, wouldn’t be considered by Notre Dame today.
If I were you (a Gator fan), I would be saying the same things and defending my coach, too. Actually, I wouldn’t care what an Auburn fan had to say, I’d just show them my championship rings. :)
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081120/COLUMNISTS0306/811200343/1065/SPORTS
“So why didn’t Meyer take the Fighting Irish job in 2004? Because the timing wasn’t right. His authorized biography explains, “Florida’s biggest advantage would turn out to be Urban’s and Shelley’s desire for a strong family life, because he could recruit closer to home.”
At Notre Dame, you recruit nationally, which means flying around the country, away from home a lot more. At a state school like Florida, you can recruit a kid, or several kids, during the day, and still be home for dinner, or at one of your kid’s practices, that night. With a young family, that mattered a lot. But even with that in play, turning down Notre Dame was very difficult, as Meyer notes in this passage in his biography:
“I wanted to go to Notre Dame,” Meyer admitted, “but my family wanted to talk about going to Florida.”
Shelley knew how tough the decision was for her husband because “he left his heart at Notre Dame when we left there last time — he really, really, really loved Notre Dame.”
That’s “really” loved three times, if you’re scoring at home.
So, again, the main reason Meyer chose Florida over Notre Dame in 2004 was because he had a young family."
Thats what I want at my University.....
a coach that deems it as a stopping point en route to his dream job. Just sayin’.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Exactly
Don’t want a coach using a team as a steppingstone to get to the job he has admitted he really wanted in the first place.
Thats Good For Another Jacksonville... First Down.
Pete Kerasotis?
Did you really just rebut my argument with an article from the biggest Florida Homer Journalist in the state?
Believe what you want to believe if it helps you sleep at night. As I said before, if I had the rings you guys have obtained over the last few years, I wouldn’t even waste my time rebutting this at all.
missing something
what about that article indicates Meyer is still upset about his encounters with the tigers? I’m thrilled you think so, and as competitive as he is, I know he has to turn red every time he thinks about those two field goals or those two obnoxious guys on the second row behind his bench the next year yelling at him (yeah, he gave us a glare), but I was hoping for something more obvious. was there more to it that you left out?
I don't get it
How is 7 coaches (the number allowed on the road at the same time) parading around in a limo to a few select high schools something akin to wining and dining recruits, or in the case of Urb, Kiffikins, & Giggity, text messaging them 8000 times per day?
The coaches can’t even talk to recruits right now. The limo was just a way of generating a little pub to show the state (not just recruits) that Auburn values the state of Alabama when it comes to recruiting. Having all 7 coaches show up together sends that message, limo or not. The limo just added more pub, plus it’s sort of practical. Ever try squeezing seven ex-football players into an Explorer? I haven’t, but I imagine it would take the jaws of life to extract Tracy Rocker from that 3rd row seat :)
well now....
Why does Urban gotta act like that? He isn’t in any danger of losing recruits to us so why talk like that? The limo was just a publicity stunt. Nothing more. The limo isn’t gonna change a recruits mind. This isn’t the 80’s. The 7 coaches traveling together is the real story. And sorry to say but there isn’t alot that you can do about it. The NCAA set that rule up and we are following it. To the “T”. He needs to stick with Lame Kiffen. Thats his real nemesis.
“Do you know what “nemesis” means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an ’orrible cunt… me." – BrickTop
God i love that movie……
Meyer definitely has his panties in a wad about nothing but his graduation rates are actually better than Auburn’s. And as far as their recruits being straight off the streets of Miami if anyone’s actually been following recruiting in the southeast, the Gators’ recent commit from Ajagbe is their first from Miami-Dade County since 2005. The University of Miami walled in their city.
You are correct....
otherwise he might be gradulating someone.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Why does he have to get all rightous on us
http://forum.sbrforum.com/college-football-handicapping/55158-urbans-shady-recruiting-tactics.html
And why was he texting the recruits so much 2 years ago. To the point that the NCAA said no more. He couldn’t have been talking to them about anything but graduation rates and the academic program at Florida. You know cause apparently thats his only tool for recruiting…. Yeah right!

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