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Which States Have the Best One-Two Punch of Teams in CFB History?

 


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(Editor's Note: This thread is an update of one I did  about a year and a half ago, back in my early days of contributing to this blog. I've updated and simplified it somewhat.)

Exactly which state has the best tandem of teams in the college football historically? Could it be the larger states, or maybe the states with the old guard of teams, or possibly a combination of the two? This is the question that many have pondered, just as I have asked the question ever since I became a CFB fan.  It sounds like a question that just reeks of opinion and no fact, but it's not.  It can entirely be based on fact, and little did we know that the data needed was right under our fingertips the whole time.

Unfortunately, for states large and small, only the best two teams from a state are given consideration. The two school standard is the most common among state universities in the country. That obviously hurts large states like Florida, who could easily be represented by FSU, Miami, or Florida, or California, who could have USC, UCLA, and Cal.  Also not represented well are one-horse states, those that primarily have only one dominant program, states like Arkansas, Illinois, Ohio, and Louisiana. I guess that’s the price you pay for cornering the market on football glory in your backyard.

Furthermore, only Bowl Subdivision teams are considered. Although we owe the Ivies a debt for bringing us into this pigskin world, they are no longer relevant in the modern age of college football, so we’ve eliminated them from our calculations. (Yes, you CAN argue that they play ‘real’ football, and I’d probably agree with you, but we’ll have to take that up in another thread)

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So where do we get the data to support these conclusions? Perhaps the most concise and easy-to-follow site is  the rankings index at CFBdatawarehouse.com, where they rank the top programs historically by using four main categories. Glancing over the site, they tell you that the most popular stat accessed from their data, behind all-time coaching records, is their rankings index. It is a comprehensive analysis of all teams in college football history, and ranks them from top to bottom either ‘all-time’, last ‘quarter century’, or by the ‘decade’.

The categories that they use to rank teams are: Winning percentage, Strength of Schedule percentage, National Championship points, and Big Four Bowl points (having played in the Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Fiesta bowls) Points are tallied from all four categories and the rankings are derived from the totals.

Does CFBDWHown the patent on winning college football indexing? No, they don’t, but I really like their format. You could take data from a hundred different categories, but still not have the jest of it as they do in their four-item format.  Three of the four are simple enough: All-Time Winning percentage, expressed as the percentage times 1000 for the point total, National championship points, expressed as a total of 50 points per NC, and Big Four bowl points, expressed as 15 or 20 points per bowl game. The only mystery is the Strength of Schedule points. I’ve sent them emails asking how they determine it, but I guess they don’t want to give it up. These things tend to be proprietary in nature.  Maybe I should have told them I was from Track ‘Em Tigers.

Also keep in mind that their index weights very heavy for MNCs, and in my opinion, CFBDW is way too generous in accepting some schools'results, but for the sake of complexity, we'll accept the values given. Once you do that, it's just a simple addition problem with the total points of the two best teams of a given state.

1) Alabama: Alabama and Auburn, 3854. The small state with the fiercest rivalry anywhere gets it done. Little Brotherproves to be an able wing man for the stalwart Tide, proving what we all knew in our hearts long ago about football in the Yellowhammer state.

2) California: USC and UCLA, 3686. No surprise that this big state has two heavy hitters.

3) Indiana: Notre Dame and Purdue, 3616. Notre Dame and virtually anyone else could have placed in the top 10. The only state on our list that doesn't include the flagship university.

4) Michigan: Michigan and Michigan State, 3594. Two solid programs that would probably top the list if UM had won a proportionate number of MNCs to the rest of their gridiron glory.

5) Texas: Texas and Texas A&M, 3485. The sentimental home of football in this country, would probably be ranked higher if paranoid ATM would concentrate on something else besides t.u...

6) Georgia: Georgia and Georgia Tech, 3452. Luckily for them, the only FBS teams in the entire state ain't half bad, even if GT is one of the worst MNC embellishers out there.

7) Florida: Miami and Florida, 3304. Would probably top the list if you only went back 30 years. The sunshine state also has FSU as an also-ran.

8) Pennsylvania: Penn State and Pittsburgh, 3280. Two solid teams from a football-crazy state. Probably only cracks the top 10 because Pitt is the worst MNC embellisher out there.

9) Oklahoma: Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, 3117. The Pokes give just enough covering-fire to propel the duo into the top 10.

10) Tennessee: Tennessee and Vanderbilt, 3027. What's that? Forgot about Vandy, huh? Best team in the south for the first quarter of the 20th century. Don't forget, the Volunteer state is SEC country!

 

 

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No doubt the state of Alabama comes in first. Auburn has always been a competitive program even though you guys lived in Alabama’s shadow. You certainly played the spoiler for us on more than one occasion.

Having the state of Indiana on there is a little lame because let’s face it, Purdue……well enough said. Having the state of Tennessee is a little ridiculous as well……Vandy, C’mon, I always pull for them, but give me a break.

Everything else looks good. I enjoyed your little stab at GT……but they did have some great old teams until they wussed out and left the SEC.

by JEFFCODAWG on Jun 16, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I too think Indiana is a bit of a stretch, simply because Notre Dame is only an Indiana school by location, in every other aspect they are a regional or national school. They pride themselves on being a national university, as such they recruit nationally and have a fanbase that extends nationally. Hence, I wouldn’t consider them Indiana born and bred.

I can tie my shoes!

by chowder on Jun 16, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hmmmm...

And which of the two Georgia teams was the last to win a NC?

by SandMountainTiger on Jun 16, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

GA Tech

Every time I drive by Grant Field on the downtown connector and see their sign with the four MNCs, I just get a chuckle. One day, I might load up with double aught buck shot and give it a blast or two as I drive by…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Jun 17, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

An even more interesting angle to this is if you compare the head-to-head records of the two big schools in a state. I haven’t done that, but I did spot check a few rivalries a while back using CFBDW and the results are interesting:

Texas/TA&M: 74-36-5

UGA/GT: 59-39-5

OU/OSU: 79-17-7

Clem/USC: 65-37-4

Texas/OU: 58-40-5

Mich/OSU: 57-42-6

UF/FSU: 32-19-2

I’d be willing to bet that the head-to-head records of the two in-state schools in your top 10 aren’t even as close as some of the ones I looked up. Now, compare those to the Ironbowl record. 33-39-1. I know the Tide like to think that we’re “little brother” and they just straight-up dominate us year after year, but the record says it all. We’re pretty much even, and no other big rivalry across the nation is even close. That could explain the intensity of the Ironbowl rivalry and why it’s the best around.

Disclaimer: Who would have thunk it, the Army/Navy record is even tighter at 49-53-7. Great rivalry, but call us when either team has a shot an MNC.

by TexasAUtiger on Jun 16, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

SandMountainTiger

If I follow your non-sequitur logic:

OK I’ll play…..GT won the NC in 1990. What has that got to do with the main idea of this discussion?

But that is not the gist of my response to War Eagle Atlanta’s excellent post. If I wanted to take a stab at you (Not Auburn, so all my Tiger brothers & sisters please note this is not a jab and your lovely school)……I could ask you some ridiculous question like “Were you even alive the last time your school won a NC?” or “What school in your state has won 7 NC’s since your school won it’s last one?”

by JEFFCODAWG on Jun 17, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Growing up in Georgia

I always enjoy how Georgia fans dismiss Tech’s success. Even when they beat UGA, they are treated like second class citizens. Just like in my current state.

BTW: My comment was not “non sequitor,” as it was directed to your post, not the overall discussion.

by SandMountainTiger on Jun 19, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha!

As a native Georgian and current Atlanner (like Bammer), I can tell you that Georgia Tech is treated like a 2nd class citizen even in it’s own home town!

Poor Techies! But they shouldn’t get too much sympathy from Auburn fans, considering they made us travel to Atlanta to play them for sixty-something years!

by War Eagle Atlanta on Jun 19, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to be chauvanistic or anything but.....

Tech’s co-eds are not and were never SEC caliber and that alone makes them second class citizens in their own town. And this is from an Atlanta born boy who lived there for close to 10 years as a young adult.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Jun 19, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give you that...

I went to the GT game in 2003, and all the tekkies were lined up along the streets, watching the AU girls strut into Bobby Dodd. I heard the expression “Wow! Another one!” more than once.

by SandMountainTiger on Jun 19, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Tekkies...

have to look at Emory, Agnes Scott, or Bauder Fashion College for dates. Makes it hard if you don’t have a car!

by War Eagle Atlanta on Jun 20, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

A few more...

For obvious reasons, I was wondering how New York fared (2650 points, about evenly split between Syracuse and Army), and so figured the next five

Louisiana 2990 (LSU/Tulane)
Illinois 2748 (Illinois/Northwestern)
Ohio 2717 (Ohio State/Cinci) (Cinci is just barely above Miami (OH))
New York 2650 (Syracuse/Army)
Washington 2608 (UW/WSU)

by drothgery on Jun 17, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

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