Was Timing of Franklin Interview Just Coincidence or More?
by Jay Coulter on Jun 8, 2009 3:00 AM CDT
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Why did Franklin decide to rehash old news?
Media bias is nothing new in America. Ask any Republican and they will tell you the media has been slanted against them for more than 100 years. Democrats will tell you that all Fox News reporters are Ronald Reagan worshippers. It's a fact of life. And don't think for one minute things are any different in the state of Alabama when it comes to college football.
Let's quickly look at last week's events around the state and you can judge for yourself whether the state media is manufacturing stories to help a particular program to the north.
It started last weekend when Auburn got tons of publicity from Big Cat Weekend. Stories were everywhere around the South lauding Gene Chizik for the attention he was bringing to the Auburn program and for hosting some of the top prep players in the country.
Alabama quickly countered by gaining a public commitment from the state's top cornerback, Demarcus Milliner. Did Nick Saban plan this announcement? He almost certainly did - nothing wrong with a chess match between two rivals.
The following day, Auburn countered by getting a commitment from the top wide receiver in Alabama, Jeremy Richardson. Did Chizik plan this announcement? A logical person would guess yes. Again, nothing wrong with competition between two schools.
Then something odd happened on Friday and again on Saturday morning. Out of the blue, former Auburn offensive coordinator Tony Franklin appears (again) on The Paul Finebaum Show to rehash his problems with former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville. If you didn't know better, you'd thought this was the first time the story had been told.
But things didn't stop there. On Saturday morning, The Montgomery Advertiser runs a long, in-depth interview with Franklin, again retelling the story of his struggles with the coaching staff and problems within the Auburn Athletic Department. For the record, there was no substantive new information revealed by Franklin.
When did this story become news again?
Why not do a reunion with Mike Price and the girls from Arty's or maybe do a best of with Gene Jelks and Antonio Langham? For that matter, let's invite author James Kirby in and have a discussion on whether Bear Bryant and Georgia's Wally Butts really fixed the 1962 season opener between the two schools.
Is it just me or is it ironic that just days before the NCAA is expected to come down hard on the Alabama program for player violations, Franklin is brought in for an encore? Since when does retelling a year old story with no new information warrant front page headlines and a prime time spot on the state's most listened to radio show?
Is it possible that Chizik and his staff are having an effect on recruiting - enough so that some believed Auburn's dirty laundry needed to be rehashed? Is it possible the NCAA might be dropping the hammer harder than some in Alabama circles originally thought? In light of the ramped up attacks on Auburn this past week, what are the chances the NCAA goes public this week?
Maybe this is all just a big coincidence. Maybe people around the state enjoy catching up with Franklin and really are interested in what his Middle Tennessee State offense is going to do this season. And I believe that both, Bill O'Reilly and Keith Olbermann are fair and balanced. Call me hypersensitive, but the events of the past few days just don't pass the smell test.
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I believe both fan bases scream bias all the time. With that said however I do think the media splits it about 50/50 in most cases just to make sure sales continue. I will say from my view I thought Birmingham was leaning toward Bama and Montgomery leaned toward Auburn.
If you really think media manipulation is true and the NCAA does come down on Bama hard (which could happen) what do you think the media wil counter with on Auburn?
No,
50-50 was the split in the crowd in the old Legion Field Iron Bowls.
Not.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Jun 8, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you just say not
What year is this? Wayne Campbell is that you? Schwing!
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Jun 8, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess
thats why Auburn lost to Bear Bryant so many times, huh? It was the crowd.
ANYWAY – take all this conspiracy crap out, and yes it is a crap theory generated from a crap train of thought that is influenced by crap in the brains of auburn fans, and just consider Franklin.
I was looking at that picture of him walking out of the Auburn building and I remembered how I felt sorry for him at the time, how Auburn had really stuck it to this guy. He would always be remembered as someone who never had a fair shot at Auburn and had been shamed by them.
Now This. Hes an ass. No wonder the coaches didn’t like him, hes an obvious outsider and he broke the code of college coaches where you don’t talk about these kind of things to the media. Hell hes actually insulting a current ALABAMA coach in this article. He lost all sympathy when he opened his mouth, even Alabama fans realize that this guys is a jerk now.
by Wallacewade04 on Jun 8, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
This is nothing new
he did the same thing when he left Kentucky. I think he even wrote a damn book about it. The dude only looks out for number one and the AU Athlet dept (Tubs included) should have seen that from the beginning.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Jun 8, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it was the coach.
Few Auburn fans won’t give Bryant his due for dominating the series when he was at the helm, but you did have a losing record against us before Bryant, and you have one since.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Jun 8, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
So, yes...
if you ignore every year between 1958 and 1982, then Auburn leads the series. I’ve never looked at it that way…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
if you ignore USC's 2003 and 2004 records
not only did they never beat barn, but barn was also the only undefeated team and therefor the MNC in 04’…
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
I don't ignore it...
but stats can be chopped up in a myriad of ways. That’s just one of them.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Jun 11, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I wondered if anyone else smelled this
I’m guessing that the stories we get this week, or whenever the Bammer penalties are handed down, will all be the mean ol’ NCAA picking on Bama variety. They’ll smack of moral outrage and indignation. Bet on it.
Indignation...
Let’s talk about indignation, but first, you have to put your unbias hats on and make sure they’re on real tight, because they might try to sneak off in the course of this comparision….
Team A has a professor come forward and prove that 18 football players, including star running backs and linemen, received grades for classes they didn’t even attend. University’s Reaction: Said professor is accused by the university of being jealous of the “grade-giving” professor in question for being passed up during promotion time. “Grade-giving” professor is suspended WITH pay.
Team B has some student athletes received university issued textbooks as a part of their scholarship. These athletes in question (5 from the football team) gave these textbooks away at no cost to the recipient and no permission was obtained for this transaction to take place. University’s Reaction: All 5 players were suspended for a total of 4 consecutive games. NCAA is notified that potential violations have taken place and subsiquent punishments were handed down.
So, which one deserves punishment? Both! Team B’s student athletes were punished for the violation they committed. Team A’s student athletes were allowed to continue playing, even though the proper authorities were notified during the season as to what had taken place.
So lets talk about indignation…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Nice theory, but the facts are this...
‘Team A’ and ‘Team B’ situations were both investigated and turned over to the NCAA. Which team is found guilty of wrong doing and receives penalties? Which team has the most journalists moaning and gnashing their teeth over?
Also,
The players from team B received text books for classes that they did not take, and “gave” them away to friends. If this had taken place at any place other than university property it would be considered theft. Said players from team B were lucky to only receive a 4 game suspension and not the alternative.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Jun 8, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
And if what happened in the classroom at Auburn...
didn’t involve athletes, the professor would have been fired, and the students expelled…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
And another thing...
If you want to look at these infractions side by side, tell me which one benefited their team on the field. Giving textbooks to friends sure as hell didn’t get the Bama players any added benefit when it came to playing the sport. But… taking bogus-ass classes in order to boost your GPA and become eligible sure as hell would, right? I mean, if a player can’t get eligible on their own without the assistance of some bogus, easy grade class, then that’s cheating on the field, if I’m not correct.
Example: AU’s Defensive End, Doug Langenfield was in danger of being ineligible for AU’s bowl game if he didn’t pass one of his classes. So what does he do? Hit the books hard and study his ass off to ensure good grades? NO! He drops that class, and gets Petee to create a 9 week “Direct Reading Criminology” course for him. Well, guess who made an ‘A’, and was able to play in the Peach Bowl? For a 9 week course! By this time, president Ed Richardson was well aware of what was going on, and he chose to let it keep happening. That is cheating on the ballfield!
Now what Bama’s student athletes did wasn’t right by any means, but to even lose one scholly over this crap while AU slides while performing blatant academic injustice is unfathomable, “repeat offender or not”. I cannot imagine a lesser offense that would even show up on the “violation scale”.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Let's not forget...
that Auburn was found, in fact, to be guilty of secondary violations, per the NCAA, stemming from this incident, so let’s not throw up the innocent flag.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
you forgot that....
….the NCAA investigated and found that Team A student athletes were in fact not given grades and they did actually complete the courses.
Oh, I didn't forget anything...
But I know for a fact that the NCAA did a piss poor job of investigating this, coupled with the fact that the accusing professor, James Gundlach, quit being cooperative after the New York Times interview for whatever reason (you can draw your own conclusions). Here’s some facts about these classes, and imagine this happened at Bama…
These one on one “intensive writing” classes were designed in the event that a last semester senior could not take/find the necessary classes to graduate, he/she could enroll in one of these with the associated professor, and earn credit in order to graduate. These classes were to be very intense, and only approved on an “as needed”, rare basis. But somehow 18 football players got into this one class in one year.
And speaking of intense: it was found that the 18 football players who took this course received an average GPA of 3.31, or basically a B+/A-. You can’t even get 18 D-1 football players to average a B+ in arithmetic, much less a writing and reading intensive class (that was legit). Also, these 18 players’ average GPA in their other classes was 2.18.
And how did Gundlach find out about all this? He was watching an Auburn football game, when who else pops up on the screen as the scholar athlete of the week? None other than Carnell Williams; in none other than Sociology. Gundlach had never seen him in class before; so this was a senior majoring in Sociology, and the head Sociology professor never had him in one of his classes before. So he calls the other two Sociology professors. Nope, they had never had Caddy as a student. So how was he a Sociology major without taking a single sociology class? That’s because Dr. Petee (the accused/guilty), a professor in CRIMINOLOGY, had been giving Caddy credit for sociology courses through multiple “intensive writing and reading” courses. How could Petee give credit like that? Because he was the director of that department, so he could have signed off on Caddy being a Pre-Law in Criminology Major if he had wanted to.
So there, you be the judge. Were players being given grades? Sounds like it to me.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
I Think You Give The Media Too Much Credit For Being Clever
most journalists are too stupid to conspire. This is not to say they’re unbiased. They are. They are just too stupid to put the biases aside or even try to be intellectually honest.
Case in point: I attended a seminar for two days last week on Chinese Drywall. Google the words “Chinese Drywall” and “conference” and Orlando through google news.
The stories while often accurate, are not precise, and leave out very important things that occurred at the conference. (Notably the session on how to combat media bias)
Probably true re:journalist.
The owners of the media however, are quite capable of conspiring to keep old news in the public mind.
I think you're reading too much into it, Jay
I hadn’t heard that Franklin went on the Finebaum show, but I have read the article. It’s a really good read, IMO. I don’t think any of the Franklin stuff swirling around right now will damage Auburn moving forward any more than it has in the past; this is a new coaching staff and a new way forward. All this does to me is pour salt in the wound of the Tommy Tuberville coaching regime.
The stuff he says about the administration and the athletic director is, as most Auburn people believe, factual. So he’s not exactly slandering anyone any more than they’ve already been slandered with that stuff either. Anyone who doesn’t know the administration and trustees are far too involved in the football program hasn’t been paying a lick of attention.
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
I'm with you
I dont see anything too bad in the interview.
My only problem is the timing of the interview and why exactly this was even done in the first place. I mean the dude has been gone since the last 1/4 of last season and now he is at Mid Tenn St. Who the hell in the Montgomery area cares about this?
p.s. who the hell is Josh Moon? I thought Tate covered all things plains related. Moosn is the same sports intellectual giant who brought us this :
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090524/SPORTS04/905240342/1055/columnists
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Jun 8, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
What a joke on that list
Houston Nutt #2? OMGLOLZ
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 8, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
ha ha
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you think this
when from 2000-2007 every article about Alabama some how related to our probation, coaching changes, strippers…blah blah blah…and everything about Auburn was “Tubberville is the bestest!” ???
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
Because
It was true and current. :)
Bammer i think the reason it was brought to attention was to explain their poor play on the field. Most Auburn people could have cared less. It was the alabama people bring it up as an excuse.
I dont blame them it was pretty bad. Especially when a team is used to winning with consistiency. Very similar to how Auburn fell apart this year although it wasnt because of NCAA problems.
ALABAMA leading the NCAA with infractions since 2001
Finebaum plays to his audience
and during the Dubose/Shula/Price years he played to the Aubies much more than Bama. If you really think Finebaum has a conspiracy against Auburn you are more naive than I imagined. He is trying to drive ratings, and Franklin – especially given his outspokenness with what happened at Auburn – is a lightning rod of sorts. I don’t see how you could build an entire conspiracy around this fact while ignoring the obvious nature of what the Finebaum show – or media in general – is all about. Any sports fan in the state could explain this to you, Jay. Even Charles from Realtown ;)
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
Let me also add that Franklin comes off as an arrogant asshole
and you guys are better off without him. There is no doubt why he isn’t a big time coach.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 8, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty good, actually
If our O-line is anything near what it should be, our offense should be pretty solid (although the O-line will be nothing like last year).
Who is your QB gonna be this year?
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 8, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell ya when we know
prob be another disastrous case of rotating QB’s
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Jun 8, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I have heard a lot of people
say that Burns may be done altogether, and Caudle is kinda in the lead right now.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 8, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
what a waste of talent concerning burns. I would be surprised if caudle can make it through the whole season without getting hurt. Im glad he will be getting a shot. We have “some” Wide recievers now. Either way im looking forward to what we put on the field.
ALABAMA leading the NCAA with infractions since 2001
last year was so convaluted for you guys
looking back and seeing a bit behind the scenes its no wonder you struggled. This year, at least you will have consistency on the coaching staff, and even with the jury still out on Chizik I think this will lend itself to a better organization and product on the field.
And yeah, I agree about Kodi. I think if he was groomed correctly from the outset he would have been a good one.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 8, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats it
You guys have been saying the same crap all week. “the kid is signing as a conspiracy because what Auburn is doing.” “Alabama is doing this because the NCAA is coming” “This coach who has absolutely no connection to the Crimson Tide is obviously making this comments at this exact time because of NCAA and Auburn’s major recruiting weekend that landed a four star .”
Seriously guys? You do realize that one of the coaches he is currently talking trash about IS ON THE ALABAMA COACHING STAFF! You guys really need the football season to start. Before we know it yall are going to be throwing out big foot theories and JFK assasination facts and HOW THE FREAKIN MOON LANDING WAS FAKE.
Its getting redonkulous which is much worse than ridiculous.
also
Orson is making fun of you
in news that will shock absolutely no one whatsoever, Tony Franklin does an interview that ran in the Montgomery Advertiser this past weekend where he suggests the overall vibe at Auburn is somewhere between that of Elsinore-in-regal-crisis and the KGB-era Lubyanka prison in full blossom. If this surprises you, congratulations: you are a deeply deluded Auburn fan, and probably already subscribe to the conspiracy theory of this having something to do with an impending ruling on Alabama. SPIES EVERYWHERE WE TELL YOU.
by Wallacewade04 on Jun 8, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Brandon Cox!!!!
Damn you to hell!!!!
by War Eagle Atlanta on Jun 8, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
"redonkulous"
Somebody is a Stuart Scott wannabe. That is really sad.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Jun 8, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Stuart Scott's eyes
are always sad.
"What happened yesterday is history. What happens tomorrow is a mystery. What we do today makes a difference - the precious present moment." -Nick Saban
by HarveyBirdmanAAL on Jun 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Eye
the other one is just going through the motions
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Jun 8, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
YOUCH!
man yall are cold as ICE on Stuart Scott. His NBA commentary never seemed all that off and quirky highlight calling is what makes SC, well, SC. Otherwise he would just be saying, “And brady throws it to Moss for a touchdown. Again..”
But out of all of them he is the most…ugh… testing?
by Wallacewade04 on Jun 8, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I have always found Stuart Scott to be the most annoying anchor on SC.
He reminds me of the really nerdy kid that shows up and says random crap at parties because he thinks it sounds cool, while everyone else just rolls their eyes and looks the other way.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Jun 9, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
More
annoying than this tool-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Berman
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
Did you see the you tube clips of Chris Berman before they were taken down?
He was cussing out people behind the seens, talking about bringing drugs across the boarder from Canada, and all kinds of other stuff. It was hilarious.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Jun 9, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Franklin's comments are an embarrassment only to himself
This guy is still getting a paycheck from Auburn, and he airs this stuff out? It’s no surprise now that he was ‘blacklisted’ after his separation from Kentucky.
great point
Great piece Jay. I was saying the same thing on the “au lands 4star” story.
of course the coaches play a chess match. Well you got to have the other coach(au) to play along. Finally au has the coaches who know how to play the game. All you got to do is google “trooper super recruiter” and you will see first hand that this guy knows the “unwritten” recruiting laws. How much you wanna bet that knee high sends jarrick williams down to be the next contestant on the “you go, i go” show. Then who’s au going to send? Im betting ladarious owens. I know, he loved the lsu visit. Play the game Ladarious. Play the game. WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know guys....
I’m really lazy and don’t want to write this again so i’m gonna just copy and paste something that i wrote on Al.com
I know alot of Auburn people didn’t like the article and several others are questioning the timing of this interview. And i’ll admit that it is funny how it’s being printed now a year later and for the second time. However, I think that what Tony had to say about the religion being a problem was spot on. I know that it would be uncomfortable for me if thats all my co-workers talked about. Or even if they talked about it more than just in passing. It disgusts me any time people look at you as though you aren’t “Godly” if you don’t join them in prayer or a conversation about Jesus. Its no ones business what religion i am or if i’m a religious person at all. I can see where he felt shut-out and/or unwelcomed. He’s right, Religion has absolutely NO business in a work place. It leads to division and makes some people uncomfortable. They would have hated me from the beginning. I would have been the guy that got up and walked, or rolled, out during the afternoon prayer.
You couple that with the tension around the Dept between the Administration and the coaching staff. The staff wondering if todays the day they’ll be cut. Now I’m glad that Tubs made it through the coup in 2003 however it made life difficult for him and his staff. So difficult that it lead to a paranoid metality that affected Tubs and his staff. Once that happened it was evident that Tubs and the staff both lost their fire. Which was evident with Franklin, and once the going wasn’t going as well as hoped, Instead of playing a wait and see game the staff, Already job nervous, pulled the plug and jumped ship on Franklin. Hoping to revert back to the Auburn style of power football. Not Gonna Work!
Can anyone say huge cluster….
I don’t blame Franklin. He’s a huge idiot but this wasn’t his fault. All this started back in 2003, and Tony just got caught up in the worst of it at the end. And i’m afraid in order to save face alot of Auburn fans through Tony under the bus. Which in my view wasn’t warranted.
It would be tough to do a job when the support around you is unwilling to help. Which is why you saw Tony doing everthing himself during the final few practices. Its a shame that everything went down like it did. Tub’s is a good man and really deserved better than Auburn gave him. Then again it was his responsibility to make sure that everyone was on the same page. He failed in that aspect… No Doubt.
I disagree with this
Religion has absolutely NO business in a work place
I work for a religous non-profit organization, and think it brings people together. It isn’t forced on anyone, and while it is obvious upfront, I believe no one feels left out.
I highly doubt Tuberville and his staff were Bible thumping throughout the athletic complex, but TF saying he felt uncomfortable because they had voluntary NON MANDATORY prayer sessions and Bible study is a copout; I guarantee you had he not been fired this would have been a non-issue.
I will agree that those same coaches have been together forever and I could see how someone could feel left out. But man up and don’t use religion as an excuse; seperation of Church & State doesn’t exist, it’s not a reason to show your ass. As was pointed out by TET members above, Franklin is out for himself only and no one else.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 8, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
But that's the thing
You can’t compare working for a religious NPO to working for a major public university, it’s apples and oranges
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
I'm not
giving an opinion. Spent 10 years with Marriott before that, so I have seen both sides. Just giving my opinion.
If you guys don’t want to pray, thats on you. But don’t dictate to me when and where I/we can worship.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 8, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree...
I’ve been around religious types that were pushy. They are the ones that talk about you behind your back because you don’t see what they see. Religion causes more wars than any other reason in history. So to say that it isn’t a factor could be considered blinding yourself from the truth. Which a lot of religious people tend to do. To compare a place where everyone that works there knows religion drives the machine to a place like the Auburn Athletic Dept isnt a good comparison. And i’m sorry that you don’t agree with seperation of church and state but it is a necessity. Our fore-fathers were right about that and its what our great country was built on. Religion has no business in any work place. It has way to many variations to be common place. What one person believes most times isn’t what someone else believes in. If you wanna pray on your own time thats your business. And it does make people feels ostracized when they don’t believe in what you believe in. I know cause i’ve been in that situation. However i wasn’t scared to talk about it or roll(walk) out on the situation. I for one hate religion and think the world would be a better place without. Thats not to say that i would choose for someone else, but i do think that alot of the problems in the world are associated to religion. And if its that way in the world, why not in Auburn?
There is so much wrong with your statement, but lets start with
the seperation of church and state. No, you are clueless – it is never written in the constitution NOR was it at all what our forefathers intended. Think about it in the context of when it was written. We had just seperated from England via a bloody war, and the entire reason for founding the colonies was freedom, specifically from the English Government which, at the time, had greatly corrupted the Church.
Thus, the seperation of C&S was originally meant to protect the church from the government, but in recent years that has been greatly misrepresented to mean the opposite. This is fact; let me throw some opinion at you – the reason our country is so screwed is the absence of God in our government. You may not feel this way, just my opinion.
I’ve been around religious types that were pushy. They are the ones that talk about you behind your back because you don’t see what they see. Religion causes more wars than any other reason in history. So to say that it isn’t a factor could be considered blinding yourself from the truth. Which a lot of religious people tend to do.
I’m sorry that you lump billions of people based on your experience with a handful. Seems naive and ignorant. Most Christians aren’t pushy and obnoxious; but your jump to conclusions/naivety seems to suggest you may be the one blinded to the Truth my friend.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 8, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
BamaReturns,
Please stop thumping our heads with your bible. Please put it away and agree to disagree so we can get back to the point at hand. COLLEGE FOOTBALL
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Jun 9, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
ummm
no one is thumping your head with a Bible JJF.
Again, reading comprehension is your friend.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 9, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a joke BamaReturns.
But seriously, lets please keep the religous talk out of this.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Jun 9, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
PLEASE and i mean PLEASE
dont link corrupt, narrow minded, religious idiots to my God..I know what you are saying about hypocrites and i wish they could all die..but their lives have nothing to do with God.
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
yes die is harsh
but if they are making people like Paratiger not want to go to church or seek God then they will certainly wish they had simply died..
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
Dear Lord
please help us to keep religion and politics out of this thread,
Amen
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Jun 8, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry for continuing it
but you can thank your boy Paratiger for starting it. I wont continue it though; you are right, not a place for this discussion.
"When people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears their people, there is liberty" - Thomas Jefferson
by BamaReturns07 on Jun 9, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow....
I sure would love to get into this with you but the others are right in the fact that this isn’t the place to do that. And I have a lil different take on Seperation of Church and State than you. I also don’t think that our problems are due to the absence of God in our government. While we are at it i don’t believe i ever said anything about Sep of C & S being apart of the constitution. It is a thought and nothing more. However it is a great idea and needs to be more apart of our everyday thinking. That includes our courts (Ten Commandments).
As i’ve said, i would love nothing more than to tell you how ignorant and naive i think that you and your religion are but this isn’t the place to do that.
Sounds like a great chance for an email debate
I keep openong this to look at new comments and am getting nothing on the actual subject
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by GumptownTiger on Jun 9, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
and by openong
i am referring to the ancient Aztec word for opening
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by GumptownTiger on Jun 9, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
awsome
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
I talked about it.....
In the beginning then i got called ignorant and naive. I made reference to how i thought that some of the things that Tony said were spot on. How i didn’t think it was all his fault and how alot of Auburn fans threw him under the bus when it wasn’t necessary.
I didn’t talk in length about the timing of the interview. Because that can be considered a point of view thing. However i will agree that the fact that the interview was done by a bammer(Josh Moon) for the Montg. paper does throw up a few red flags. Giving merit to the timing and release theory alluded to by Jay and this article.
Ahh, the in-state battles have always waged not only on the field but in the hearts and minds of every alabamian.
Back on point for a bit
Do you guys think that if Tubbs had truly gone back to the “Auburn Way” and ran the ball down peoples throats…would he had saved his job? I think the fact that he tried to keep the spread was his downfall. Its one thing to say that "Hey i made a bad hire and ill fix it " and “hey i made a bad hire but im going to keep this crap he called an offense”..
Seems to be Tubbs lost more than his fire…looked like he had completely just lost it.
‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban
with the way our o line played
last season i dont think running the ball was ever really an option. Whether it was lack of preparation or the changing of their role with the new offense, I don’t know. I only know they were consistently awful all year.
i also think tubs knew he was done after the vandy game
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by GumptownTiger on Jun 9, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
why wouldn't he decide to bring up old news?
after the way he was treated by the football and athletic department staff at auburn. i’m only suprised this interview didn’t come out before last seasons iron bowl, and i wouldn’t be shocked to see more like this down the road, especially when he starts having success again. and in 3 years when auburn is looking for anew HC and Franklin is also looking for another big move up, i’ll bet were about this little saga once more…
simply put, ya’ll fired the wrong man. but hey, you got gus high school mahlzan now, so everything should work out just fine shouldn’t it?
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
Franklin was the right fire.
the way he treated players was un acceptable. No kid deserves to be verbally handed his ass publicly for not getting a system down that the entire team is struggling with.
I will say Tubs should have fired about 1/3 of his assistants before last season even started.
I also dont think the article is with out merit, but why does the advertiser want to do it now, when Franklin is no longer in state? Why not right after Tubs left or the beginning of Spring Training?
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by GumptownTiger on Jun 9, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
timing
well i dont know what the back story is, but i imagine TF wasn’t willing to grant this type of interview immediately after he was fired. and apropos to the discussion here and on RBR about ya’ll constantly bringing up “gadsen”, right now is the doldrums of summer. football writers everywhere are scrounging for content. the TF article didn’t seem oddly timed to me, if anything it’s a little late, but what is the writer and editor to do? force TF to give a less forthright and candid interview by forcing the timing? or do you think they had this interview done and sat on it, knowing the whole time that auburns kitty kat skeepytime party would be a total bust, so they could publish the article and further pile on the EPIC FAIL of a week barn has had? or if they had it done and sat on it, was it because they wanted to have decent and interesting content to give to readers and thus draw advertising dollars in the summer off season?
as far as if he should have been fired or not, i dont know enough of the back story there either to make a decent call, i will however say that it’s odd that to replace tony franklin, you guys went out and hired diet tony franklin. gus mahlzan is a joke and he runs almost the exact same scheme. you think you just got rid of one classless program ruining jerk? guess what, you replaced him with another man cut from the same cloth. (though i’d argue the same actually shouldn’t be said of TF, but that it’s undeniable regarding the springfield spread guru)
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
I don't know about all of that
but I will say that in this pic he looks an awful lot like Randy Quaid.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Jun 9, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
!zomg!
wow. is that tony franklin? if so, we might just get another sequel after all. I heard Randy Quaid has called it quits after the not so successful Christmas Vacation 2: Cousin Eddies Island Adventure
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
did you actually believe this ?
bq.It started last weekend when Auburn got tons of publicity from Big Cat Weekend. Stories were everywhere around the South lauding Gene Chizik for the attention he was bringing to the Auburn program and for hosting some of the top prep players in the country.
orly? hahahahaha, yeah stories were EVERYWHERE, lauding coach cheez it for his brilliance, yessir, no one was mocking his lame publicity stunts, they were lauding his shrewdness and penchant for s’mores and ghost stories…
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I dont follow
what point were you making? I lost you when you got into the childish pokes.
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by GumptownTiger on Jun 9, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
my point was that
the original poster is seriously deluded or engaged in cognitive dissonace to the highest degree if he sincerely thinks
“Stories were everywhere around the South lauding Gene Chizik for the attention he was bringing to the Auburn program and for hosting some of the top prep players in the country.”
then i made a joke equating the big cat weekend to a slumber party for 8 year olds and mocked the notion that it could impress anybody, much less a sportswriter or decent football recruit.
welcome to the SEC kiffykins...
Hehe.... 8 year old slumber party?
I don’t know about that tempebamafan. Seems that only bama fans were the ones doing all that “slumber party” talk.
Its easy to find plenty of articles talking about the effect that Tiger Prowl and Big Cat Weekend had on recruits. Sure i understand bama fans talking trash about both. They do seem a lil lame to say the least. Perhaps its just the names that boast the most lameness. However, The articles that i read, and there were several, were ALL talking about how well the recruits reacted to both. And they DID talk about how well chizik and co. were doing thinking outside of the box and bringing attention to Auburn. And i don’t mean Lane Kiffen kinda attention either. Recruiting attention! I don’t remember any of them talking about how Stupid, Childish, Outlandish, Not worth it, or mocking it as a “lame publicity stunt”. Other than bama fans on blogs that is. Even Finebaum said that it worked to our advantage. And you know it took alot for Finebaum to say anything nice about Auburn.
So i’m not really sure what your problem is or where your getting your information from, But apparently its a lil bias towards alabama. So thanks for the attempt at flaming, but no thanks for the piss poor effort.
what the hell is going on?
most posts are replicating themselves. i swears i didn’t do it…..
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Hit preview and post from there
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by GumptownTiger on Jun 9, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
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