Spooky Rebels in Auburn: Trick, or Treat?
War Eagle, everybody! Time now for another Auburn football preview. On Halloween night, 2009, Auburn will host the Ole Miss Rebels in Jordan Hare Stadium. Auburn will be trying to recuperate from a physical battle in Baton Rouge, and Ole Miss will arrive after taking on the Arkansas Razorbacks in Oxford. In his second year, Ole Miss coach Houston Nutt has a chance to win the West. It's a talented team, and there shouldn't be the learning curve of a year ago. The Ole Miss schedule is intriguing. Ole Miss opens with Memphis on the Sunday before Labor Day, then takes its bye week following that. After a home tuneup against Southeastern Louisiana, it's South Carolina and Vanderbilt on the road, and Alabama, UAB, and Arkansas at home. Every game on that schedule is winnable, and Ole Miss might be 7-0 on Halloween.
Much to everyone's surprise last season, Houston Nutt did not turn Kent Austin's offense into the power-I. Jevan Snead is the top returning passer in the SEC, this season. By all accounts, Snead has made major strides, and the inconsistent arm we saw early last season is a thing of the past. Ole Miss returns lots of talent at the receiver positions, including breakaway threat Dexter McCluster, who will start at flanker, this year. The Rebels return 3 talented tailbacks, including senior Cordera Eason, sophomore Brandon Bolden, and sophomore Enrique Davis. The hope is that the senior, McCluster, will carry the football less, and being less banged up, will flourish as a receiver. Where the Rebel offense may suffer is on the offensive line. Bulwark Michael Oher is gone, and the Rebels must rebuild the interior line as well.
The 2008 Ole Miss defense was fine against the run, but had trouble with passing teams. Auburn last year rang up 319 passing yards on the Rebs. This season, the Rebels lose their rock in the middle, Peria Jerry. All-World defensive end Greg Hardy might be a major player in the SEC this year, but he's had off-season woes. Hardy missed spring drills, and re-aggravated a foot injury in an automobile crash a few weeks ago. Three seniors return in the secondary, and the hope is that with experience, play will be more consistent. Auburn and Ole Miss essentially traded defensive line coaches during the off-season, and this will be Terry Price's opportunity to coach a whole line, after coaching the ends at Auburn. While Jerry will be missed, junior Ted Laurent is plenty tough in the middle, and by all accounts, uber-recruit Jerrell Powe is finally in football shape. Veteran ends return besides Hardy, and there appears to be some depth up front. The leading linebacker tackler, Ashlee Palmer, is gone, but the Rebels have options. Former Auburn Tiger Patrick Trahan is poised for a big senior season, and junior Jonathan Cornell is a player.
Ole Miss special teams took a hit when the speedy Mike Wallace headed to the NFL, but there should be plenty of burners to replace him, starting with Brandon Bolden. Rob Park departs as the punter, and the job appears to have gone to senior Justin Sparks. Senior Marshay Green will return punts again, and he is dangerous. Ole Miss had solid coverage a year ago, and figures to again.
Matchups
Auburn defensive line vs. Ole Miss offensive line: The Auburn D-line had some success against the Rebels early, last season, picking up 3 sacks. In the second half, they wore down against the big Ole Miss line. This season, Auburn may have a bit more depth than a year ago, if they stay healthy, and get some help from talented newcomers. Ole Miss is set to field a line that averages 315 pounds per man. Senior right tackle John Jerry is a 350-pound bell-cow. On the left side, sophomore Bradley Sowell was slated to start at tackle, but was replaced by senior guard Reid Neely, due to ankle trouble this spring. If Neely stays at tackle, the Rebels will be young inside. Advantage: Even.
Auburn linebackers vs. Ole Miss runners: Auburn's linebacking situation scares me to death, with only Craig Stevens and Josh Bynes returning with any significant experience. Ole Miss has a trio of runners, and sophomore late-2008 star Brandon Bolden has wrestled the starting job away from senior Cordera Eason. The Rebels will use a fullback a lot of the time, and 240-pound senior Andy Hartman is a knock-down blocker. Advantage: Ole Miss.
Auburn corners vs. Ole Miss receivers: Auburn's corners held Ole Miss to 140 receiving yards last season, but a lot of that was due to poor throws. Walter McFadden and Neiko Thorpe showed good ability to stay with the speedy Reb receivers, and did not allow a catch over 20 yards. The Rebels will go with seniors Shay Hodge at split end, and Dexter McCluster at flanker. There is depth behind the starters, including senior Jacarious Lucas, who missed all of last season with academic problems. Advantage: Even.
Auburn safeties vs. Ole Miss secondary receivers and quarterback: Zach Etheridge and Mike McNeil should be healthy by Halloween, and have plenty of experience and talent. Ole Miss will use a variety of wide receivers inside. Senior Jerald Harris returns at tight end, but there are two redshirt freshmen penciled in behind him. Harris only caught 7 balls, a year ago, but 4 of those were short, red-zone touchdowns. Ole Miss did not throw much to backs; none had more than 10 catches. Jevan Snead had one of his worst games last year, against Auburn, frequently sailing balls to the bench, or into the dirt. I expect that we won't see that, this year. Advantage: Even.
Punting: Clinton Durst averaged 42.1 yards per punt for Auburn last year, in his first season. Ole Miss will go with senior Justin Sparks, who averaged 39 yards per punt, several years ago. Another punting option is junior Bryan Powers, a junior college transfer. Powers averaged only 38.5 yards per punt in junior college, but had a knack for downing balls inside the 20. Marshay Green averaged a good 10.9 yards per return for the Rebels. Auburn is unsettled as to who will return punts, and does not have a player who has fielded a college punt. Auburn gave up 7.0 yards per return, Ole Miss gave up only 5.9. Advantage: Auburn, on Durst, last season's MVP. (or should have been!)
Kickoffs: Auburn's Wes Byrum averaged about 67 yards per kickoff during the spring, and appeared very consistent during the A-Day game. Ole Miss has senior Justin Sparks, who averaged 63.5 yards per kick, with 10 touchbacks, which is unusual in this era of kicking off from the 30! Ole Miss will line up Brandon Bolden and Marshay Green as return men. Bolden averaged only 15 yards on limited returns last year, but that number is likely to go up. Auburn junior Mario Fannin is the most experienced kick return man, averaging 22.5 yards per return. Auburn's coverage unit gave up 21.5 yards per return, Ole Miss gave up 20.2. Advantage: Even.
Placekicking: Wes Byrum returns for his third year for Auburn, having hit 27 of his 42 career attempts. Ole Miss goes with veteran senior Joshua Shene, who hit 17 of 21 last year. Shene has hit 42 of his 55 career attempts. Advantage: Ole Miss.
Auburn offensive line vs. Ole Miss defensive line: Auburn's offensive line handled the Ole Miss line pretty well, last fall. Unfortunately they were trying to block 8 or 9 guys, so the running game went nowhere. And it was a banged up Ole Miss line. Auburn has bulked up this year, but has little depth. Ole Miss returns veterans up front. Senior Ted Laurent anchors the middle, along with junior Lawron Scott., and the pair should get help from junior Jerald Powe. Senior Greg Hardy is an all-star at end, IF he plays. Senior Marcus Tillman and junior Kentrell Lockett are pretty good ends, too. Advantage: Even.
Auburn backs vs. Ole Miss linebackers: Auburn has some dangerous options, including senior Ben Tate, junior Mario Fannin, and sophomore Eric Smith. Lead blocking, with Fannin, and sophomore John Douglas, is a question mark. Misdirection and good ball fakes should help the Auburn backs. Junior middle linebacker Jonathan Cornell had 45 tackles a year ago, and takes over the middle of the defense. He'll have senior Patrick Trahan on the weak side. Trahan was once a starter for Auburn. The Ole Miss linebackers aren't big, but they can run, and swarm to the ball. Advantage: Auburn.
Auburn receivers vs. Ole Miss corners: Auburn will field mostly young players this fall, although Montez Billings brings experience, if he qualifies academically. Expect Auburn's route running and catching to be much improved, under the tutelage of Trooper Taylor, this year. Ole Miss corners got routinely picked on, last year, but improved all year. Seniors Cassius Vaughn and Marshay Green figure to be pretty respectable, this year. The Houston Nutt/Tyrone Nix style of defense leaves the corners on an island a lot, so it's important for Auburn receivers to be able to make plays on the outside. Advantage: Even.
Auburn secondary receivers and quarterback vs. Ole Miss safeties: Senior tight end Tommy Trott should be solid, and junior Mario Fannin showed flashes in the slot, but quarterback play for Auburn is still a question. Ole Miss loses strong safety Jamarca Sanford, who camped out in the Auburn backfield last year, and had several tackles for losses. Replacing him will be junior Johnny Brown. Senior Kendrick Lewis is the free safety. Houston Nutt has heaped praise on his safeties. Advantage: Ole Miss.
Despite all the preseason hype given to Ole Miss, and media disdain for Auburn, these are two fairly evenly matched teams in the trenches. Auburn matches up a lot better, size-wise, this year, and should not wear down as much as they did a year ago. The Rebel youth on the offensive line could turn out to be a huge liability, especially if the Auburn linebackers are up to stopping the talented Ole Miss backs. On offense, Auburn must make plays on the edges, whether it be passes, sprint options, or especially downfield throws. It's never been prudent to run right at a Houston Nutt team, and this year will be no exception. While Ole Miss appears on paper to have significant advantages, the game is at Auburn, and Auburn will be looking for a good showing after a tough trip to Baton Rouge.
Prediction: Ole Miss cannot solve the hobgoblin of Auburn's Malzhan offense. Both teams move the ball well, but mistakes on the road doom the Rebels. Auburn hangs on, 34-27.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I literally laughed out loud when I read your pick. That is an absurd pick with ludicrous reasoning. If Ole Miss (who has Houston Nutt, who has coached Malzhan’s offense) can’t solve Malzhan’s offense, how exactly is an Auburn quarterback(who are all pathetic) going to be able to run it? Exactly how is Auburn going to move the ball against anyone, much less against one of the best defensive fronts in the country, without a quarterback?
Keep dreaming
by ColRebsLastBreath on Jul 30, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions
Ole miss
although your better then your state rivals…. will never be a great team.
ALABAMA leading the NCAA with infractions since 1994
I think you mean
Ole Miss: although “YOU’RE” better then your state rivals…. will never be a great team
That is amazing logic from an illiterate. Great spelling and great facts to back up your argument.
by ColRebsLastBreath on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
It always amazes me
when people from Mississippi make fun of any other state’s educational system.
Also….chill. you’re Ole Miss, not some juggernaut. Talk trash when you’ve actually had some type of sustainable success.
Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"
by SandMountainTiger on Jul 30, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
illiterate?
Do you actually know what that means? Also Logic has nothing to do with bad grammar? YOU’RE the moron
As you say in Mississippi “let me learn you something” illiterate= unable to read and write
ALABAMA leading the NCAA with infractions since 1994
I have to say...
Once you’ve won an SEC title more recently than the 1960s, then you’ll be allowed to sit at the big boys’ table and put your 2 cents in. Until then, have fun at the kiddy table where you belong. Your school and your whole state are pathetic; I should know, I had to live there for several years. Ole Miss will never be better than the Cotton Bowl. Period.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
DONT DONT DONT DONT BE A TROLL
Yea but they have the same number of SEC titles that you do
DAMMIT!
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by Wallacewade04 on Jul 30, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Small parts says it all.......
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
by Todd92 on Jul 30, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
To Ole Miss and alabama --
Win an SEC title this decade, then we’ll talk.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
get a load of this dude
This dude is talking about SEC titles in this decade. How about a century of national titles. Dude you or any of the barn nation have any ground what so ever to run your dirty mouths. Who the freak is Auburn no one outside the SEC gives a rats ass about the barn. This college will always be a fart in the wind compared to Alabama.
by littlebrothersyndrome on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
get a load of this $#!t
This post by littlebrother is the prefect example of living in the past. He is just a poor Italian trying to beat his chest to the world about the glory of Rome, which is his birthright, and that, despite his dirty and torn T-shirt, and just ignore those ruins down there, he is better than the Americans who kicked his ass in WWII.
I guess six defeats in the Iron Bowl escape your selective memory. And the awful, awful play your guys demonstrated until just last year matter not.
We may not have a spectacular season, but we will be better than last year. Let’s see how it works out for you guys.
yea be real proud of that SEC title this decade
the first one you got since Dye left
the one that finally propelled you pass Georgia Tech a team that hasn’t been in the league since 66
your right, that one SEC title in your teams best decade most assuredly puts you in the top progams of the SEC and an SEC title from five years ago definetly reasserts your dominance over me and my team
and my parts may be small but i know how to use them effectively
and if we’re not “living in the past” and we’re “living in the now” then from where I’m sitting one team is considered a national contender and the other team is considered to be in the bottom half of their division
so who should sit at the kiddy in the here and now?
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 1, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
and how did you know I was I-Talian?
it was the passion in my comments right?
eh?
this guy knows what I’m talking about
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 1, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
AW dont tell me
you’re lilbrosyndrome. I thnik you just outed yourself.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Aug 3, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Lilbrosyndrome?
dude I get it, its our nick name for you so now you’re turning it around on me and blah blah blah
Come on stick to the script! I call you lil bro then you say “blah blah blah Bear Bryants dead! blah blah blah”
Then I insult your lack of titles and you say “blah blah living in the past blah blah blah!”
Then I remind you of 36-0 and you say “blah blah Malzhan next year blah blah blah!”
I mean come on. Its like you’ve never done this
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 3, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You already outted yourself chief. Don’t try and spin it another way.
Good luck to your team
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Aug 3, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you read the comments?
Kung Fu Panda: This post by littlebrother is the prefect example of living in the past. He is just a poor Italian trying to beat his chest to the world about the glory of Rome
WallaceWade: and how did you know I was I-Talian?
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Aug 4, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Ohh
now I see other dudes name, but this being the internet you’re going to say, “thats just what someone with two names would say!” then I say “no it was just a misunderstanding” And you say “HAH we got you BUSTED you ar Suxxor LOL ROFLMAO!” so…. guess no point to it.
But I AM ACTUALLY Italian. And Cuban. And Redneck.
Also whatever you do, do NOT go see Funny People
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 4, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
You really didn't have to mention the redneck part....
we already knew.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
elitism from an Auburn fan?
e gads! seriously?
nothing wrong if your family comes from the little unknown southern towns Todd. I came from Hoover, actually, but the redneck in me comes from Dad’s side. Mom’s Italian/Cuban from Huntsville. He’s done pretty good for himself and by me and enjoys referring to himself as “white trash with money” a liberals worst nightmare.
currently I’m becoming a democrats worse nightmare “southerner with an education”
also the Hurt Locker was a bit slow but it turned out to be a thinking movie rather than the thriller I was hoping for, but was actually pretty enjoyable (movie week for me… I actually want classes to start I’m so bored)
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 5, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah....
I was born in Atlanta you found me and my hick heritage out.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
okay now I understand
Atlanta
the city of “false sense of superiority”
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 6, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That and the fact....
that I don’t have a problem saying that I’m not a redneck.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I had the
same thing happen at RBR. They were convinced I was bamarulz. He turned out to be some gatorbangor.
Funny people no good huh?
I saw a making of thing last night on HBO and it looked funny, but all they showed was the stand up bits (the Indian dude from Human Giant is hilarious… Raaaaandy), but it didnt show all the sappy crap that i’m sure is in it (it is an Adam Sandler movie after all).
What happened to you Adam Sandler? You blew it.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Aug 4, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I
would Love to get Drunk and Punch him in the nuts for that one
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Aug 4, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Besides the fact that......
according to Acid’s post (which as usual is well thought out and well written) the teams are fairly even and AU has home field advantage, you can also attribute Ole Miss and the reverend Nutt losing to AU to another factor……..Ole Miss is a choke machine that hasn’t won any kind of championship in almost half a century and AU has always owned the Rebs just like we have always owned the gators.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Choke Machine?
Really? An Auburn fan is going to try and make the argument that someone else chokes more than them? I distinctly remember Ben Obamanu dropping a game winning touchdown in the endzone at Auburn and then failing to score again on the next play to lose to Ole Miss in 03. That is a choke. You are right in our history hasn’t been great the past half century (it is much better than Auburn’s before that), but it hasn’t been because of choking. It has been because we weren’t good and didn’t have the talent or coaching that other teams had. It isn’t a choke if you aren’t expected to win and you don’t. Auburn on the other hand has had many national title contenders, and probably the best talent on the field for some of those years. Yet the lost games they shouldn’t have and played down to their opponents in games that mattered in front of a national audience (see the 1980’s under Dye; GA the 5 pick game in 06; Tenn SEC champ game in 04). That is choking, which is what Auburn is known for.
by ColRebsLastBreath on Jul 30, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, anyone who brings on the grammar smack had better proofread his own work, i.e., “Yet the lost games they shouldn’t have…” I think you mean "Yet THEY lost…
But anyway, since you came on here with your mouth all out of joint, I don’t know why an Ole Miss fan would be so darn ignorant. I usually am sympathetic towards the Rebels because they are in Mississippi, which in itself is sad. But you had a good season last year. And you got Nutt, who has also had a rough ride at Arkansas. So I was gonna be kindly toward you with a little, “Bless his heart.” But now you’ve gone and removed all my good will.
Acid wrote a fine piece. Very even handed and fair to both teams. Then, just because he didn’t have you winning to your satisfaction, you gotta get all loud and $&!*
Reality check. You have always been a bottom dweller in the West, just eking ahead of your state rival, if I can use such a term with a straight face. Got milk? More cowbell, etc, etc.
by KungFuPanda9 on Jul 30, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You are correct, we have been bad in the past
I acknowledge that fact in my previous post. That means I’m not ignorant; that means I’m informed and educated on the facts. I guess you are agreeing with me that Auburn chokes more than Ole Miss, since you don’t dispute it. (I’m pretty sure you responded to the wrong post). I also think that the analysis of the individual components of the teams is somewhat fair considering it is an Auburn post, and I agree that Acid did a good job in writing it. I grew up an Auburn fan and was one for 18 years of my life, hence why I read the blog. I am more knowledgeable than most people when it comes to Auburn football. History doesn’t mean anything when the teams hit the field though. The post isn’t about what has happened, it is about this year’s team and what will.
That is why the logic of the pick is laughable. Plain and simple. Acid states that Ole Miss is possibly going to come in undefeated and then lose, based on the fact that Ole Miss won’t be able to solve Malzhan’s offense. Nutt has coached with Malzhan. He knows the offense. Auburn doesn’t have signal caller to run Malzhan’s offense. That’s why the reasoning of the pick is laughable.
by ColRebsLastBreath on Jul 30, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I was at the spring game.....
and I am one who says that we have multiple signal callers that are capable of running the offense and managing the game. I think this QB competition will provide a true leader at QB. And Nutt who is an offensive coach and a very good one probably does understand Malzahn’s offense or at least all that he saw at Ar-kansas. But that does not mean he knows how to defend it………as far as the pick Acid made its just a pick not the final word of the matter that will be decided on the field and if the Rebs can overcome 50 years of irrelevance more power to them. I personally doubt it.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
To quote Steve Spurrier...
“If you have two quarterbacks, you don’t have any.
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Blame the Baptists.
by Juco All-American on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering....
the Ole Ball Coach was referring to a 2 QB system I fail to see the relevance of your choice of quotes. We at AU have no reason to believe there won’t be a clear starter named before the season. I do agree the Baptists can be blamed for a great deal of idiocracy in this country however.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
You seriously think...
that this piece was “even handed?” Find me a person who is not an Auburn fan who predicts Auburn will beat Ole Miss.
Just one.
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Blame the Baptists.
by Juco All-American on Jul 31, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats why they play the games juco......
and nothing is ever won on paper.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Don't dodge his point.
You’re right that anything can happen on any given Saturday, but the fact remains that the only people who agree with this article or find it to be “even handed” are Auburn fans.
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Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't dodging his point....
but last time I checked the press and the coaches aren’t too swift on predicting the outcome of the seasons. Lets see last season both the coaches and the media had AU finishing 1st in the west and UGA 1st in the east…..remind me again how’d that turn out? I don’t give a rats ass for the media or their predictions and I don’t care if we have no one expecting AU to be worth a damn but the AU family. Because the games have to be played on the field and thats when Ole Miss will prove that they are still Ole Miss and AU will still be AU….which means order will be restored and Ole Miss will sink back into the irrelevancy of the egg bowl and AU will be competing for the west and the SEC every year once again.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Not to mention,
that this is an AU blog. I wouldn’t expect an Ole Miss blog to write an entry that favored AU in this game, so why would you expect an AU blog to favor Ole Miss? Especially when the teams appeared to be evenly matched last year, which was also a terrible year for AU. If AU is improved at all, then there is no reason they can’t beat Ole Miss. To quote the classic movie Wedding Crashers, “Grow up, Peter Pan… Count Chocula.”
by 3rdgenaugrad on Jul 31, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
As an Ole Miss blogger
I can say with certainty that we don’t favor the Rebs in every game preview.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
And neither has Acid
He is of the belief that Ole Miss is over-hyped heading into this year based on finishing high in the SEC in a down year and beating an over-rated Texas Tech team in the bowl game. I also believe that and many other people (not just Auburn fans) believe that as well. Ole Miss won’t be sneaking up on anybody this year.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a fair argument.
I honestly do… Still, Auburn ain’t scorin 34 on us.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 1, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
And Ole Miss ain't scoring 27 on us
I said 17-15. I stick by it. I said Auburn would come out on top, but 17-15 Ole Miss wouldn’t surprise me either.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
I could see that happen.
This one could be a real defensive nailbiter.
Really though, I think we’ll have a better idea of just how these teams score and keep people from scoring as the season progresses.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 1, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
You can check
on the bottom of this page somewhere. I do believe I remember reading an alabama fan’s opinion (not that I hold their opinion in high regard at all) that Auburn has a shot against ole miss. People are going to be surprised by AU.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
You provide one example of AU choking in a game against Ole Miss.....
and no Ole Miss record was not better than AU prior to 1960. Get a grip on reality and say it with me……no championships since 1963. Not with Archie not with Eli……and dude we won the SEC championship game against UT in ‘04 (very poor example). And the 1980’s under Dye we won quite a few SEC championships and contended for NC’s which is far from choking. Basically what you’re saying is the last time you were in contention for a championship of any kind that by that logic……YOU CHOKED, or perhaps you really won those championships with Archie and Eli. You poor deluded reb. And you can add to the conversation that even though I respect Nutt for his coaching ability he always loses one or two that he shouldn’t so I guess he should be included now in Ole Miss’ choking lore.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
That is a pretty impressive omission you have from 1960-63
considering that was Ole Miss’s most successful years (1959-63 3 National Titles and 3 SEC titles). How many National Championships does Auburn have again?
(I say that only b/c I know it annoys the hell out of you that you are 1/12 of Alabama’s total, 1/2 of Georgia’s total, 1/3 of Florida’s total, 1/3 of LSU’s total, 1/2 of Tennessee’s total and 1/3 of Ole Miss’s total. In fact you’re only even with Kentucky and Arkansas and only better than MS State, Vandy and South Carolina)
Also, The definition of choking is being good enough and failing to succeed. Auburn has been good enough far more times than Ole Miss, as history throughout the years shows. Still Auburn has 1/3 the National Championships of Ole Miss. That is why Auburn is known for choking, because continually Auburn has teams good enough to win and don’t. Which is why Ole Miss is known for being bad, not choking, because continually we have teams aren’t good and haven’t been well coached. Three times Ole Miss has succeeded in winning the national championship, while only being good enough to a handful of times. Far more times Auburn has been good enough to win, yet they somehow have only 1 National Championship.
by ColRebsLastBreath on Jul 30, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Hold the damn boat...
In what twisted reality do you live in where Ole freakin Miss has 3 national championships? And before you answer that remember this is an Auburn board and these guys know a thing or two about debunking meaningless championship claims.
WEA may need to do a piece on the Rebs…. Bama is just trying to double their total, these clowns are trying to triple theirs!!!!!
by LSU Jonno on Jul 30, 2009 2:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ole Miss has......
zero National Championships. You are surely kidding when you say 3? You just lost any semblance of credibility you may have had.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Holy batshit batman.....
he’s referring to national championships by Houlgate, Billingsley, and the like…..because as we all know Ole Miss has never won a Real Consensus AP or UPI or BCS championship. But if the Rebtard knew his football as well as he would like for us to think he does he would know that the Championships he is claiming are worthless and not recognized especially since the advent of the AP and Coaches polls. He would also feel foolish for his not knowing that AU has been awarded far more of these wannabe championships than Ole Miss both prior to and since the advent of the AP and Coaches (UPI) polls but that AU having more class and honor does not recognize these backdated and lesser titles as credible. What a tool.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I didn't know that...
schools recognized NCs awarded by wiki. You are right, Todd. By counting the Ole Sis way, we would have nearly double their so-called NCs.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Jul 30, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
More than double.......
but thats like arguing who has the better McDonald’s kids meal toy collection.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Thanks for
proving Todd92’s above argument… Where are those Damn Narwals when you need them?
Hating Lowder since 1993.
LOL
Litkenhous and Billingsley and the such? Win an AP title and we’ll talk.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
Speaking of chokes...
How about about that last play outta Eli in the 03 LSU game.
Ole Miss fans are jokes.
by LSU Jonno on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
I may be a Bama fan on an Auburn blog, but would everyone who’s been relevant since 1990 please raise your hand? Okay, Auburn (check), LSU (check), Bama (check) -- Not so fast, Ole Miss……
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by HarveyBirdmanAAL on Jul 30, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I can just see Ole Sis in the back...
with their hand up like Arnold Horshack saying, “Oh, Oh, Oh!”
by 3rdgenaugrad on Jul 30, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
We haven't been relevant
Never claimed we have. My only claim is that the reasoning that Auburn will win against Ole Miss THIS YEAR is laughable. No one has responded to that point yet.
by ColRebsLastBreath on Jul 30, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
How about the fact that
your dbs are soooo bad that even Kodi Burns threw for over 300 yds on them last year. If not for the 3 ints that he tossed on terrible passes, we would have beaten you last year. Along with the fact that Nutt has a history of disappointing when expectations are high.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Jul 30, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually you also claimed that AU....
had 1/3 the NC’s that Ole Miss had and you were sadly mistaken…..(no thats not descriptive enough)…..lets say as wrong as michael jackson in little boys pants wrong.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Agreed!
I’ve never really heard too much from Ole Miss fans because usually they’re such a joke that they don’t talk smack. But now I just realize that they’re by far the EASIEST fans to put back in their place. The facts speak for themselves.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
You're 9-24 vs. Auburn.
Enough said.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
"Yet the lost games they shouldn’t have "
Don’t you mean:
Yet THEY lost games they shouldn’t have…?
If your gonna be the dick who corrects other people’s typos you should prob prtoof read tour comments.
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by GumptownTiger on Jul 31, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
haaa another one
You had to throw Florida in there too. What the hell do they have to do with anything. The only reason the barn beat Florida the past two times, is because they had Muschamp. Who happens to be schooled by Nick Saban. That’s where the barn screwed up. Should have never let him go.
by littlebrothersyndrome on Aug 1, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Trivia question
What’s the only team not to represent the SEC West in the SEC Championship game?
Also, I’ll bet anybody $20 that Ole Miss will NOT win the West this year.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
Hangman
I’m guessing an E.
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weak
poor attempt at humor guys. Disregard the last 3 entries.
by littlebrothersyndrome on Aug 1, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow. Didn't mean to stir up...
…..the pot like that! Thanks for all the compliments, folks, and even the “laughable” comment! I do cobble these things together for fun, after all! I’ve said it before, but here it is again: any score prediction out of me is for kicks, only. Most of mine for last year were WAY out of the ballpark! Don’t bet your life savings on what Acid predicted… I sure don’t wager on football!
……As to this year’s Auburn-Ole Miss prediction, yeah. I’m out on a bit of a limb. Most folks would pick Ole Miss, this year. But, there’s some logic behind my pick, (and sentiment, of course!) not the least of which is Houston Nutt’s record when he’s highly picked. Who would have picked Kodi Burns to have 300 passing yards against the Rebs, last year? I think the Reb corners will be better, but Nutt’s teams have always camped out with 8 or 9 in the box. I don’t think that will change, and I think they’ll be vulnerable to what Auburn runs.
……
You all make me proud to be...
an Auburn fan. This may be the best thread of the year. Talk about a gang tackle. Here’s another question: How many games will Ole Miss sell out this year. They always talk about the Grove, yet their small ass stadium is never full. They still haven’t gotten over us taking Tuberville. I’ve always said we should boot the entire state out of the SEC. They never carry their weight in anything. Nothing suck worse than having two road games in that state in even number years. It’s always hard to get our players up for those games. They may be ok this year, but you can bet they’ll be right back at the bottom next year and its just a matter of time before Nutt bolts.
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I agree
This thread is awesome. Too bad I was swamped today at work, I would have loved to join in the fun.
If you are a War Damn Eagle, you can War Damn anything.
What other thread has...
Bammers, Barners, and Corndogs all arguing against a common foe?
Is this really happenning?
by LSU Jonno on Jul 30, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
twilight zone…
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
I'm laughing because you just called yourself.....
A CORNDOG!!!!! Thanks Jonno you made my day.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I agree with this dude
nothing like a jammed packed 92, soon to be 102 thousand BDS
by littlebrothersyndrome on Aug 1, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
the sound and the fury
i havent had that much exposure to ole miss fans. my boss at work was one, but he was cool, and i’m starting to think that he was an exception.
my other experience came at the bama-ole miss game at bryant-denny in 2008. some drunken redneck was talking smack the whole game at full volume (i was in the cheap seats), even when we beat them. i chalked this up to cheap bourbon and an inferiority complex stemming from bama’s 42-9-2 historical ownage of the rebs.
but then i come on this blog in my weekly visit to see how the other side lives (admit it aubies, you sneak a peak at rollbamaroll every now and then) and find these classless comments by an ole miss fan.
maybe this is too small a sample on which to base my opinions of an entire fanbase, but i’m starting to get the impression that rebel fans are big on talk and small on cojones. i figure this has to do with their team being frequently big on hype yet short on follow-through.
i also figure the same holds for this year’s rebel squad. alabama beat them last year with a team inferior to this year’s model, and it’s not like the rebels blew out auburn when they played. there is no way auburn will NOT be an improved team this year unless chizik turns out to be a dubose level HC. i feel tauburn has a legit chance to come out on top in this one.
while i unfortunately agree with johnny reb’s criticism of the reason acid provided on why the tigers will win, he could’ve done so with a little class and some sincere questions rather than badmouthing the program and in general coming off as a 14 year old moron. when you have bama, auburn, AND LSU fans on an auburn football site agreeing with each other about how much of a d-ck you are, it’s time to STFU and GTFO.
consider me an auburn fan when this game rolls around. war damn eagle.
this is getting me riled up
just one more month and we can stop making predictions and actually watch some games. I love the fact that everybody thinks Auburn is going to suck this year because that really is to our advantage. Also, I love the comment about the grammar and spelling from the Ole Miss feller. Classic.
Just to be fair.
Colonel Reb’s Last Breath IS correct in his observation that very little, if any, of the comments had much to do with the subject at hand, namely the 2009 Ole Miss at Auburn matchup.
I don’t see Auburn hanging 34 on the Rebs. A Texas Tech team which featured a 5,000 yard passer and the greatest receiver in college ball last season only managed 34 points against Ole Miss in the Cotton Bowl. I think our run defense will once again be one of the nation’s best and, until Kodi Burns or Neil Caudle can prove that they can effectively run a passing game, that gives me cause to believe that Auburn will struggle to move the ball against Ole Miss.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 31, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions
and they
still haven’t voiced a rebuttal…don’t hold your breath…all AU fans have right now is “I love how people think we will suck this year”…..um yeah….what has AU done since the end of a 5-7 season that would leave us to believe the barn has improved?
wait for it…..
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
Actually Bammer....
I have stated many times before why I believe last year was an anomoly and not indicative of our talent level. But you go ahead and believe that if you like. Also, Acids post pretty much covers why he believes it. But you go ahead poor yourself a tall glass of Saban flavored Kool Aid and yuck it up about us dumb ole AU fans.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Last year was certainly an anomoly, but that doesn't change the fact
that you think it’s perfectly reasonable to predict that Auburn, a team whose highest scoring conference game was a 25-22 loss to Arkansas, will score 34 points on what will be the 3rd best defense in the SEC.
Y’all must think very, very highly of Gus Malzahn or something.
I think Acid Reign’s article (aside from a few mistakes) was well put together and interesting. I just don’t at all agree with the prediction.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Now who's counting their chickens before they hatch?
The 3rd best defense in the SEC? Alrighty then…..now I know whats in that red cup, lol. Yes Bartender I’ll have what the Ghost of Jay Cutler is having.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
It's not just Gus Malzahn
It’s Gus Malzahn actually working with his offensive assistants, as opposed to the clusterfuck we saw in the Auburn offense last year. The offense cannot be any worse this year. The offense will all be on the same page, and we’ll stick to the run as opposed to Franklin’s version of the Air Raid.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Last year we had several games — LSU, Vanderbilt, and West Virginia come to mind — in which we were effectively moving the ball down the field in the 1st half. Then at halftime I guess Tony Franklin (idiot) would decide that his “system” would be put in place for the 2nd half, and we fell apart. Look for a much improved version of Auburn’s 2008 FIRST-HALF offense to come together and be even better and for the ENTIRE GAME in 2009. If Auburn had kept it together in the 2nd half in those 3 games I mentioned, I’m willing to bet we would’ve won all 3 of them and finished at least 8-4.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
and i have stated many times
that i think you are wrong…agree to disagree…but i have to side with the Rebs…no way in hell AU scores 34….
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
We may not....
that is just a prediction of the score….are you just as convinced that AU can’t win this game?
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
i dont
think Ole Miss will come close to living up to the hype….but i also believe that AU will only approve slightly from last year…
So, i don’t think AU will win and i certainly don’t think you will score 34. It might be a close game but it won’t be high scoring.
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
I think we'll win
I predicted Auburn to go 6-6 (3-5) and beat Ole Miss 17-15. It will be low-scoring.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine by me
if Auburn doesn’t score 34 but still wins by way of our defense. Doesn’t matter to me. I’ll take 3-2 AU in every game and be perfectly happy with it.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
sounds good
Who has the glasses
by littlebrothersyndrome on Aug 1, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I am beginning to think...
That The Ghost and bammer cannot read. I think I gave a pretty good rebuttal above, so I will not repeat it. We had no problem moving the ball last year on Ole Sis. If you read above, you would see that even Kodi Burns threw for over 300 yds on your pathetic secondary. Keep buying into the Nutt hype. Obviously you need to study recent Arkansas football history.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry...
you were one of the few who actaully came back with why AU might win…I still don’t think AU wins but for sure OM fans are drunk on the kool aide..
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
I would agree with you on that...
OM fans are setting themselves up for a huge disappointment when they finish 3rd in the west. No way they beat AU, UA, Ark, and LSU. I am also not sure we can score that many points(I hope we do), but I do think it is a game that AU can win.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
ok
so that i could give it a fair look, i glanced at both teams schedules…
The game isn’t a trap game for either team. It does come after the LSU game for AU, which could be hard to recover from since that game is usually very physical. It does come right after the Arky game for OM. I actually see Arky winning that game.
It does come however in the middle of the season for both teams. So, there is always a chance AU could win…but if OM performs at all like they should, i don’t see AU pulling the upset.
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
Fair enough...
At least I got you to admit that there is a “chance.” The fact that we get them at home gives me a little confidence, but Nutt has been a thorn in our side in the past. It all comes down to which team is playing better and is healthier at that time. Also, turnovers will have a lot to do with which team wins this game as they always do.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course there is a "chance."
There always is.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 31, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because I didn't reply to you doesn't mean I didn't read what you had to said.
I thought the comment was irrelevant. 300 yards aren’t worth a hill of beans if you can’t put points on the board. I mean, really dude, you’re trying to prove some kind of point while somehow ignoring the fact that you simply could. not. score. points. last. season.
And our secondary improved dramatically as the season progressed. It’s not going to be the best in the SEC or anything (maybe not even top half), but they won’t be the doormat they were.
And please, enlighten me with “recent Arkansas football history.”
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 31, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Nutt with high expectations...
= disappointment. Nutt has a history of sneaking up on teams, but when his teams have high expectations, they seem to disappoint. He is a lot like Tubs in that manner. It is pretty well known. You can keep dreaming of winning the west and the SECC, but it is not gonna happen.
by 3rdgenaugrad on Aug 3, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
"It is pretty well known" in that it is a well perpetuated myth.
Please, find me an instance where Nutt coached a preseason top-15 team and failed to live up to said hype?
You know what, I’ll go ahead and make it easy on you. It’s never happened, because he’s never coached a preseason top-15 team. E V E R. The only expectations he doesn’t live up to are those placed on him by the Arkansas fans and media. With regards to the national media (SEC pundits, the AP poll, etc) he generally does as well as people expect him to do.
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2009/7/31/970332/sec-2009-just-leave-houston-nutt (written by a SOUTH CAROLINA fan)
Don’t just spout off something as truth just because you’ve heard other people say it ad nauseum. Do a little research.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 3, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
So you are saying that...
Nutt has never underachieved? Just because he has not coached a top 15 team does not make your point. So, the only way you can fail to live up to expectations, is if you are a preseason top 15 team and then you fail to finish in the top 15? Is that what you are saying? That is very subjective. It is widely known, not just by Ark fans, that he has failed to produce results when he has been expected to. But if you must have research, Ark was picked in the preseason top 20 in several polls in 2007 and then finished unranked. They did, however go to the cotton bowl and get hammered by Missouri. There is one example. I am sure I could find more, but I don’t have time. It should also tell you something that Nutt has never recruited enough talent to be ranked in the preseason top 15!
Nutt was already gone when they played that Cotton Bowl against Mizzou
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
Exactly.
In 2007 Arkansas was the AP preseason #21. In the final AP poll they were unranked. However, the week before the Cotton Bowl (which, as JD has said, was not coached by Nutt) they were #25.
Congratulations, the ONLY season you presented which featured Nutt underachieving was the exact same season that the Razorback faithful were doing whatever they could to run him out of town. You surely remember it: flying banners, FOIA requests, death threats, etc.
Even through the most turmultuous season (both as a coach and a person) of his career, he only dropped four spots in the AP poll.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 3, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Again...
Your criteria for how to gauge disappointment is flawed as I stated above, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand. As I said, I didn’t have time to go back and research the last ten years of Ark football. If you want to believe that CHN is going to lead Ole Sis to the promised land this year, then so be it. I will stick by my prediction that OM disappoints this year. After the season, I hope you will be man-enough to come back on here and admit that you were wrong. OM will not win the west, again.
Admit I was wrong? About what?
Did I say Ole Miss would win the West? No.
I said Ole Miss has as good a shot as they’ve ever had, which is very much the truth.
I was simply pointing out that the notion of Houston Nutt failing to meet “expectations” is a widely perpetuated MYTH.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 3, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
And how is what I say "flawed?"
Your only counter-argument is “you’re wrong.” How. You can’t just say “it’s widely known” without supporting your claim.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 3, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Your argument
that the way to gauge disappointment is being ranked in the top 15, is flawed. A coach can fail to live up to expectations regardless of where they are ranked in the preseason polls. There were several times during Nutt’s career at Ark that he had teams talented enough to beat some highly rated teams, but could not sustain it for the entire season. That is what I was referring to and where the “myth” came from. We can agree to disagree because frankly, I am tired of discussing it. I am sure you have opinions on Chizik and/or Tubs that I would not agree with. We pull for different teams and that is what happens.
"We can agree to disagree because frankly, I am tired of discussing it."
Fine. I’ll see you on the plains of Alabama.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 3, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually,
I was referring to your post above where you mentioned that Auburn would “struggle to move the ball” on OM. That is why I pointed out that Kodi threw for over 300 yds on OM last year. I never mentioned “scoring. points. last. season.” We may have struggled to score points, but not to move the ball as you mentioned.
An Auburn team that could only score 3 points against MSU will put up 34 against OM
That is the wooliest article I have read in a long time. Hell, it doesn’t have half of the facts right. Sowell is at LT, Neely is LG, and Hardy will be playing this year.
The world of denial that Auburn fans live in apparently extends outside of Alabama football.
Okay
We only put up 3 points against MSU. We know that. But I recall Kodi throwing for 319 yards against Ole Miss. Granted, he threw a few interceptions, but 300 passing yards in an offensive system not meant for the SEC…
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That was last year.
2008 is over. It’s 2009 now. I guarantee you 100% that we score more than 3 against State this year.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
I think
this game is a toss up at best. I don’t know that it will be as high scoring as predicted, but I have been negative Nancy all off season.
A note to Ole Miss fans:
Don’t get your seer sucker panties in a wad. Both AU and OM fans are being overly optimistic about their seasons. Does that surprise you?
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
well
i can see where OM fans have confidence coming into 09…i don’t understand where they think they are now national contenders…but whatev….confidence can turn into wins though…
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
confidence
can also turn into disappointment which can turn into hopelessness (see AU last season) that can change pretty quick too.
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by GumptownTiger on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Find where an Ole Miss fan who doesn't immediately give away his semi-illiteracy
has earnestly called the Rebels “national contenders.” I have never said Ole Miss to be legitimate national title contenders and I cannot recall any of my fellow Cuppers having done such either. The only Ole Miss fans I’ve seen say that are folks that post on the OMSpirit board. Their posts generally go something like this:
“I think we can WIN the BCS GAME!!!11 Yes Reebals it can be done just think abut it!! ya gotta BELEIVE!! GO TO HELL LSU!!!!~”
If you take someone who writes like that seriously, then the jokes on you, friend.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jul 31, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
im pretty
sure a good part of the OM fanbase believes you guys can win the West…If you ( by you i mean the fans) think you can do that, then you believe you can win the SEC (since OM beat UF)..if you think you can win the SEC…then you obviously believe that OM is a national contender…also being that OM is preseason ranked #8…
But hey, i could be wrong..wouldn’t be the first time…
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
You're using the "if you do this then you MUST do this" argument
to prove a point which, despite your best efforts, is pretty weak.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 1, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
right..
cause i have met no OM fans who think what i said above….
Come on man…
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
I never said that there aren't Ole Miss fans who think that.
However, you were suggesting that having expectations to win the West is, by association, the same as having national title expectations. They’re nowhere close. Several pundits (including the highly respected Phil Steele) have picked Ole Miss to win the West. Zero have picked Ole Miss to win the national title. An Ole Miss fan saying “I think we’ll win the West” has legitimate cause to beleive so. One saying “We’re winning the BCS” doesn’t.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 1, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t know any OM fans who think you will win the BCS either…
Maybe we have different definitions of “National Contender”….A national contender to me is anyone in the top 10….
"First, there are winners and know they are winners. Then there are the losers who know they are losers. Then there are those who are not winners but don’t know it. They’re the ones for me. They never quit trying. They’re the soul of our game."– Paul "Bear" Bryant
Perhaps.
I think there are really only 3 or 4 “national contenders” a year. For this upcoming season, USC, Oklahoma, and Florida are who I’d call “national contenders.”
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 1, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And, yes, there are a few OM fans who think we should win the BCS.
They’re all crazy.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 1, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I have never once heard
“oh shit. we play Ole miss is next week.” from any team. I think its safe to say i wont this year. You may be a good team but even on your best of years they still dont compare to our good years.
War Eagle.
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by auskip07 on Jul 31, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
"Ole Miss Will Never Win, 'Cuz They're Ole Miss!!!"
Tradition counts for SOMETHING, admittedly, but this argument is almost on par with “THE RED SOX ARE CURSED BY BABE RUTH, THEY’LL NEVER WIN ANYTHING!!”
Depends on the context, Panda
If we’re talking about how a program stacks-up, all time, sure. Hey, if you want to talk about a school’s ability to recruit and retain top talent, yeah, it works there, too. If we’re talking about expectations for this season, it’s not really relevant, or at least it’s way down the relevance depth chart. Take the same personnel, players, coaches, etc, and slap some Sooner or Trojan uniforms on them, and you’re telling me they’ll complete more passes for more yards, rack up more sacks and kick with more accuracy than they would if they were wearing Jayhawk or Blue Devil uniforms? Intangibles really count for that much? I don’t buy it.
you missed my point
I’m not down on Ole Miss. I think you have a good quarterback, and I have always respected Houston Nutt.
I was merely adressing your Red Sox analogy in this way: The Red Sox were horrible for a very long time. Unlike coin tosses, where the average person mistakenly thinks that after one hundred tails you are bound to get a heads, something has to change in order for a team to dig itself out of a deep hole. Unlike coin tosses (to a statistician) expectations for a team are based on past performance.
Now, you have have turned a significant corner with last year’s coach, personnel, and performance. I’ll give you that.
Perhaps my Aug. 2 post was a bit “Pandantic” (oh sometimes I slay myself)
Correct
A bad team can stay bad forever, or least what seems like forever, if they don’t make changes. Just waiting around won’t eventually turn Duke football into USC football, or turn the Cubs into the Yankees. As ghoulish as it sounds, a team like the Blackhawks basically had to wait for their owner to die and let the team pass down to his son before they were going to ever be relevant in the NHL.
What bothers me is when people seem to judge a team based more on the uniform/university than the team itself. If “tradition” won games, Notre Dame and U. Mich would be playing for a national title every year, while the Florida schools mostly sat and watched. Hell, ARMY would be right in the mix, what with their proud tradition of heritage. (Simpsons reference, y’all. Couldn’t resist.)
It appears that Ole Miss has started to make the sort of changes needed to turn a long-dormant program into a winner. We’ll find out soon enough. (I can’t wait!)

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