What If Chizik Never Worked In Ames?
How would Auburn fans feel about Gene Chizik had he arrived on the Plains last year from Austin instead of Ames? In other words, what if the past two seasons never happened in the life of Auburn's new coach?
It's safe to say it would have been applauded as one of the best hires of 2009. The headlines would have read something like, "Auburn goes into Texas and grabs Mack Brown's top assistant as its next head coach." The move would have been compared favorably to what Georgia did when they plucked Mark Richt away from Bobby Bowden at Florida State.
Unfortunately for Chizik, those two painful years in Iowa did happen and because of that his hiring has been met with bemusement and intrigue around the country. So much has been made about his failure at one of the great coaching graveyards, that his accomplishments prior to that have been pretty much banished to the back of the book.
The truth is, Gene Chizik is a pretty good coach both on paper and in reality. How soon we forget - myself included.
Recently, I was thumbing through my copy of Mark Murphy's Inside The Auburn Tigers preseason publication and began to read again all of Chizik's accomplishments. Quite frankly, they were astounding.
Here's a quick laundry list of his career highlights:
- For three years running Chizik coached the nation's top defensive back. Auburn's Carlos Rogers (2004) and Longhorn defensive backs Michael Huff (2005) and Aaron Ross (2006) all claimed the Thorpe Award, given to the nation's top defender.
- While at Auburn, Chizik claimed The Broyles Award, presented to the top assistant coach in the country.
- In his first season as coordinator at Auburn, he improved his unit from 39th nationally to 26th in total defense. The following year, Auburn's defense climbed to fifth in total defense.
- In the championship year of 2004, Chizik's squad finished the year ranked first nationally in fewest points allowed at 11.3 per game. Overall, they finished the season ranked sixth nationally.
- His Auburn defenses held 24 of their 39 opponents to two or less touchdowns while 14 times the opposition failed to score 10 points.
- Ten of his Auburn players were taken in the NFL draft.
- At Texas, six of his players earned All-American honors.
- During the Longhorns' national championship run in 2005, Chizik's defense ranked eighth nationally in fewest points allowed, fourth in passing efficiency defense and 10th in total defense.
No wonder ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit got downright angry this week on College Football Live when they showed the YouTube clip of the Auburn fan booing Jay Jacobs at the airport in December. Herbstreit defended Chizik and Auburn, saying the school got it right. He went on to predict a 7-5 season for the Tigers.
We wrote recently about Auburn getting its swagger back. This year is also about Chizik getting his back. Just two years ago, he was arguably the top assistant coach in America. He starts 2009 as the most maligned coach in all of football. Through the first nine months on the job Chizik has shown the qualities that made him the nation's top young coach.
I believe all of us would like some do-overs in life. Rarely do we get that chance and certainly not on a national stage like Auburn. Who knows what will happen, but give the new man credit. He's dotting every "I" and crossing every "T" to ensure failure never comes his way again.
Auburn will likely be the biggest to benefit from Chizik's life lesson.
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Interesting take
I’m glad he spent the two years at ISU. He definitely learned some things the hard way, and it will make him a more polished head coach. We can only hope he turns out as well for us as Richt has for UGA.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
I never held his record at Iowa against him. Anybody who knows a little about where Iowa is at in their conference and the level of recruiting possible there has to accept that it is a very difficult place in which to succeed.
I was initially upset that we were going with another defensively minded head coach without attending to our greatest need at that time, i.e., offensive production. But once Malzahn was hired I was happy as a little clam. Chizik then hired very good, well-respected talent all around. Recruiting has been exciting and effective. Unit cohesion and morale are a complete turn around from the divisiveness of last year.
Chizik gets credit for these developments. He put the team together and created an atmosphere which is focused, intense, positive. The players are excited and motivated. Chizik has done as much as can be expected so far. Now, everybody has to step up and make it happen.
Great Write
I’ve been following TET for while, but this is my first participation. I couldn’t agree more that we have a very good thing going…I too was negative on Chizik’s hire at first, but this post does a great job of highlighting his abilities and accomplishments – throw in the display of character and disipline we’ve seen in the past eight months, and I’m very excited about getting the season started. War Eagle.
Welcome to TET
It is always nice to see new folks getting involved over here.
Great post Jay. I like UglyJoe was quite unimpressed with Chizik early on, but things turned for me when he brought in a great staff. There was no doubt to me that he could coach a defense, but being in charge of an offense was another story. He brought in Malzahn and Trooper Taylor and the worrying stopped there. I do agree with you on if he did not go to Ames, he would have been a “Great Hire.” Time will tell.
If you are a War Damn Eagle, you can War Damn anything.
Chizik is Muschamp...
with two rings instead of one. And Muschamp will, someday, be a first time HC at one of the premier CFB programs in the nation (e.g. Texas in case you didn’t know). If Chizik didn’t have the Ames stigma, then AU would have been in the same boat as Texas, hiring a proven DC as a HC. As is, we now get him with two years of HC experience to boot. Unfortunately, that HC experience doesn’t instill confidence in his HC abilities. Hopefully he’ll turn out like Stallings, who came to Bama with a losing record. I don’t know though… as bad as ISU is/was, losing to Kent State is unacceptable. That’s like losing to… La Monroe or something :)
Great post
Chizik claimed he had a plan for turning ISU around. Let’s assume he did and that if AU hadn’t hired him, assume that he succeeds in it and that ISU records winning records over the next few seasons. How many big programs would line up to hire Chizik then? How many millions would it take?
So let’s assume that in interviewing Chizik, Jay Jacobs was convinced of Chizik’s plan and his ability to execute it, and saw the value in getting him now instead of waiting a few seasons for the evidence.
Chizik arrives on the Plains, assembles a formidable staff, lands a good recruiting class, gets a great start on the next one, and most importantly (in my opinion) doesn’t say or do anything to embarrass the university. If he succeeds in Jordan-Hare on Saturdays, and I think he will, let’s give Jacobs (can’t believe I’m saying this) credit for his foresight in hiring him.
Be careful bro!
It may be fashionable — for all those folks who last winter were up in arms about the Chizik hire — to now take a CYA position and say Chizik may have some potential value as a coaching hire.
But … you’re way ahead of the curve here on Jacobs. You start giving him the benefit of the doubt, and people are going to start calling you names.
When he says people he means me.....lol.
Jay Jacobs is a buffoon even if he screwed up and made a good hire.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes .. hehe
by BigSwampTiger on Aug 7, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I would probably wait
until mid-2010 to distinguish what kind of “nut” jacobs has found…either way, I think it was an unnecessarily risky move, and I wouldn’t have done it in a million years….I wholeheartedly agree that Chizik has done an admirable job in handling a difficult situation and I think he’s probably represented Auburn well for the most part….
I guess I am going to be interested in seeing how the Auburn “family” handles what I think will be a “successful” first two years for CGC….Given that 1) Bama has grabbed some of the top talent not only in the state, but in the country 2) Florida’s dominance has snagged some once-fertile recruiting grounds away from Auburn 3) The seeming rise of programs like Ole Miss and 4) Georgia remaining in the upper echelon of College football [a definite regional contender for talent]….I feel like Chizik’s Tigers will do quite well to win 7-8 games this season, and probably plateau around the 8-9 mark over the next few years….Will that be enough for the Auburn faithful?….I don’t know if it will
You think a little too much of Bama......
and not enough of AU. But then again you’re a bammer what should I expect other than arrogance.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
What did he say in his post
to make him arrogant? Chizik has done a good job with the time he’s been there and hired what seems to be a good staff.I like most do think it will take AU a year or so to get back in the SEC title chase.New staff,depth,talent, are things that will take time to get in order.I read this week AU only has 75 on scholly and is very thin everywhere this was from Chizik himself.Back to his post Bama,UF,UGA,LSU and even Ole Miss have been loading up that’s facts not flames.AU this year reminds me of Bama 7-6 years very talented players in spots but the lack of depth will show late in games.I couldn’t tell you the games Bama lost in the 4th quarter for the last 4or5 years.
Gator fans have the arrogance of Notre Dame and the tradition of Wake Forest
I would say that assuming.......
AU is going to take a seat behind the supposed dominance of Bama (as if Bama has established dominance) is easily seen as arrogant. Bama had a severe lack of depth last season and yet you got lucky and remained healthy with no significant injuries in the LB or OL which were two glaring thin spots and to assume that we can’t do the same is also arrogant. Assuming that AU will plateau around the 8-9 win mark over the next few years is also arrogant. Our talent is fine and we lack depth in the same areas that Bama did last season….and if we can avoid injuries on the OL and LB then we will be fine.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
You might want to wait yourself...
1) Bama is not the only team in AL that has grabbed top talent, Auburn is on several top state and national recruits list. for the first time in a long long time, and has several top talents out of the starting gate without even the benefit of a season played, Dude…Bama is’nt getting all the talent at all 2) Florida’s dominance is not over Auburn, its over Alabama and the entire SEC, i.e….the embarrassing show Alabama had at the SEC Championship last year? We are’nt loosing recruits to Florida, you are because you are 2nd to Florida. 3) Ole Miss may be rising, but Alabama is in the same division I believe? They are coming for you, bro…not us. We are flying under the radar. 4) Georgia is and has always been a regional contender for talent…how is that any different now with Chizik vs. Tubberville? If anything, the excitement of a new offensive coordinator coupled with a proven defensive genious may vary well mean you need to be worried about how the Alabama “family” handles not being the only big bully on the block anymore….
by rn4au on Aug 7, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice logic
Florida embarrassed Bama in the SECCG? I think having the lead in the 4th 20-17 against the NC is far from embarrassment.The IB was embarrassment.Also what kinda logic is it that Bama is losing recruits to UF?Have you heard of Trent Richardson?I think competing with UF for players is better than Southern Miss.UAB,and Memphis dont you?
Gator fans have the arrogance of Notre Dame and the tradition of Wake Forest
Hey Tool.....
last I checked Chizik and his staff shored up a top 20 recruiting class with very little time to do it…….and this season looks to be well inside the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done. And no I don’t think Bama was embarrassed by UF, that came later in the sugar bowl…..now that was embarrassing. AU isn’t losing recruits to UF anymore than any other team is and AU is still capable of going into Florida and pulling top talent just like always…..UF can only get so many and Florida is one of the top 3 states in talent. You act like every player Saban has signed had offers from only perenial top 10 schools….yes he pulled two great classes but even those great classes had some guys in them that only had offers from what you would consider second tier schools. And as far as your signature goes…..kinda the pot calling the kettle arrogant isn’t it. AND I REPEAT YOU ARE A TOOL.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Chizik is doing a fine job
Just think if you get a top 15 class you will only be like 5th or 6th in the SEC.I didn’t say anything about every player Saban signed was a 5* he is however signing another great class.Utah played a great game and came in ready to play no excuse but…..What was their record again?What did they finish?Are you saying Utah suxs and is unworthy or something?I think Utah will be ranked about 15 spots higher than your beloved barn.
Gator fans have the arrogance of Notre Dame and the tradition of Wake Forest
Not at the end of the season they won't....
and while Utah didn’t suck UA played like crap which was absolutely an embarrassment for the SEC. And you act like the only players AU gets they get them in competition against conference USA and WAC which makes you a flaming Bama Tard.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Yes, the Iron Bowl was an embarrassment ...
… the 2005 Iron Bowl was a big-time embarrassment:
… and, Six-Straight was a mega embarrassment. A tragedy even. Some might say it was a disaster of biblical proportions. And, some (as I’m sure you’d know) might put it right up there with Pearl Harbor and 9/11. But, we won’t mention any names.
… and, yes Todd92 — now that I think of it — I believe the 2009 Sugar Bowl was an embarrassment. Those Latter Day Utes were mighty tough alright, weren’t they Mr. RollTideRoll?
P.S. you might think that if you come trolling over here it might help build traffic for your SEC site … but, nice try — Mr. RollTideRoll — it ain’t gonna happen.
Oh Iron Bowl
yet another thread hijacked by hate, hate, hate
Smells like football season. (actually bourbon in coke smells like football season but I digress)
Oh and you tried to score in the Iron Bowl last year and we blocked it.
Saban said, “No points for you!” (dated seinfeld reference I know I know)
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 8, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
If you are going to come in here ...
… playing that old, tired, worn-out Rodney King riff, at least you ought to take the word “HATE” off your cap. Makes you look, well … insincere.
…and, if you would follow the thread … you’d see that your home-boy Mr. RollTideRoll brought up the subject of the Iron Bowl. Why any bammer would want to go there is beyond comprehension. But there he went.
P.S. I believe the Saban quote you were looking for is the one when he blamed the bammer kool-aid drininking fan base for his (Saban’s) football team going oh-for-december and oh-for-january to end the 2008 championship run. LOL
hm?
oh I’m sorry I couldn’t post back to you sooner, I was busy watching a replay of ya’ll versus Vandy last year
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 8, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Louisiana-Monroe
…have fun with your “small parts”…
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
hm?
oh from two years ago? your right that is totally more embarrassing than losing seven games from the most recent season
and did you just tell me to masturbate?
because that would be weird
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 9, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the worse
loss in IB history in thirty years was pretty bad too.Bama has won 9 in a row while 6 is great its not like it hasn’t been done.36-0 good thing you guys weren’t playing the Utes huh?
I actually could care less about your traffic and I was only replying to someone who thought the SECCG was an embarrassment.
Gator fans have the arrogance of Notre Dame and the tradition of Wake Forest
If you could care less ...
… then why don’t you and your ‘bad cop’ routine just return quietly back to your site, and take your ‘good cop’ wingman wallacewade04 with you?
The thing is
I’m not a bad cop,flamer,etc. I am a huge college football fan that loves to just talk football with anyone.I have been to AU games years ago I even have Bo,Fullwood,and a few others autograph.
Gator fans have the arrogance of Notre Dame and the tradition of Wake Forest
My point is...
Three of the top running back prospects in the nation were at Auburn’s Big Cat Weekend not visiting SABAN. You are not getting everyone and we are not loosing the recruiting war, we are going nationwide, something that Tubberville never did.
Chisik has a national championship ring as a defensive coordinator and defensive coordinator of the year 2 years running (Auburn and Texas), something none of your previous head coaches had attained with the exception of Duboise (well we know how that turned out)
7-5 and 8-4 would be a great year considering we are THIN as you say, but somethng to build on for the following years…
Sorry for my comment re: SECCG…just that most of the Bama fans I am friends with were embarrassed because they were just so sure they had it won before the game ever started very similar to the SUGAR BOWL, only to find out they were not as great as they thought. Those memories must have clouded my judgement of what Bama considers embarrassing.
Why would you assume that I was making
a degrading remark regarding the type of talent that Chizik has been able to put together in a short period of time? I actually prefaced my statement with the fact that I think he’s done well with what circumstances he was given…..I’ll reiterate a point that RTR made below me: The level of play in the SEC is above that of any conference in college football (as I’m sure you would agree) and simply pulling in a #15-#25 recruiting class these days basically puts you around the 3-4th best in the West….Now, getting good recruits does not necessarily equate to how many wins a team will get in a season, but let’s be honest: It’s a pretty important first step.
In terms of in-state talent, I can not agree with you that Alabama does not have a significant edge on Auburn over the past two (and now 2010) classes….You need to do a little more un-biased research and take a look at where the top rated recruits are going to from the state of Alabama….You are simply mistaken on that particular statement.
The only other thing I had issue with is your ignorant comment on the SECCG…But I’m not going to respond to it. Also, I’m intrigued with this new “flying under the radar” philosophy…You’ll have to explain to me how that works…..I’m guessing that Ole Miss, LSU, and Alabama won’t be “trying” to beat Auburn because they think the Tigers will field a slightly-less-than-usual caliber team? Do me a favor, Please don’t hang your hopes on that theory.
Most of the comments on TET are fairly intelligent, from what I can tell, so I am a little unsure as to why you took to my post in such a way.
Typical Arrogant Bammer...
But at least your consistant with what I am used to. I have a right to my opinion and calling me names isnt going to change it.
8-9 wins per season
is never enough for Auburn. Period. I expect 8-5 or 9-4 in 2009, but after that I expect us to be regulars in the Georgia Dome come early December in the next decade.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
Thank you for actually responding to my only question....
and I think most AU fans would probably agree with you, which is why I am curious to see how they will handle what success Chizik does have especially if he comes up short in some tight games….
I guess my whole point is that he could turn out to be a great coach, but Auburn may not ever figure that out given the fact that he seems to be on a short leash given the divisiveness of the fanbase over his initial hire….but we’ll see
I honestly
think we will be fine. Chizik has proven his defensive system works in the SEC (AU #1 scoring D in nation in 2004), and Malzahn has proven his offensive system works in the SEC. The bottom line is this — comparing Auburn to Iowa State is apples to oranges. Auburn has sufficient talent. Iowa State does not.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
Great post
Chizik claimed he had a plan for turning ISU around. Let’s assume he did and that if AU hadn’t hired him, assume that he succeeds in it and that ISU records winning records over the next few seasons. How many big programs would line up to hire Chizik then? How many millions would it take?
So let’s assume that in interviewing Chizik, Jay Jacobs was convinced of Chizik’s plan and his ability to execute it, and saw the value in getting him now instead of waiting a few seasons for the evidence.
Chizik arrives on the Plains, assembles a formidable staff, lands a good recruiting class, gets a great start on the next one, and most importantly (in my opinion) doesn’t say or do anything to embarrass the university. If he succeeds in Jordan-Hare on Saturdays, and I think he will, let’s give Jacobs (can’t believe I’m saying this) credit for his foresight in hiring him.
So nice you posted it twice
As far as Jacobs goes, foresight my ass. After the way he treated his other coaches and assistants he was just having trouble finding someone that was willing to take the job and play ball w/ the AD office. If Chizik proves to be the real deal, it will be bitter sweet for me. Auburn will succeed, but people are going to credit Jacob’s’ dumbass for it when really he just dodged a bullet.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Aug 7, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry for posting twice!
Darned browser thingy…
Probably right about this, same with the blind squirrel comments above. Yeah, better to be lucky than… But let’s wait and see if we’re even lucky first.
I'll admit it I was pissed about the Chizik hire.....
and for good reason. The BOT/Jacobs runs of a coach that won 85 games in ten years won 7 of 10 against our biggest rival with 6 consecutive, gave us an undefeated season that we are all proud of (not his fault the BCS and pollsters screwed us). They proceed to tell us that they are going to hire a proven head coach and money is not object……and then through one of the most bizarre and embarrassingly inept coaching searches I have ever witnessed, and yes I am including Bama’s last one in that statement, they go out and hire the least proven head coach on the list. Why wouldn’t I be pissed?
Now having said that…..I think that Chizik with the exception of two things has handled his time at AU perfectly. Those two things are as everyone knows: he fired the whole staff on arrival without the courtesy of an interview which caused hurt feelings and was at the very least a black eye for AU (I believe that was part of Jacobs directive) and secondly the mishandling of James Wil….er Benedict Arnold (also the inept bumbling of Jacobs). So I am optimistic that Chizik can be a good head coach for AU and will at the very least keep AU competing in the SEC at a level that we can live with for the short term and if he matures into the coach we want him to be then we will compete for championships on a regular basis for years to come. I am behind him 100% until he proves he doesn’t deserve my loyalty and I hope that day never comes.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Turner Gill would still have been a better hire
I like CGC. I do. And I am cautiously optimistic about this season but after the unmitigated disaster that was the 2008 season AND the craziness surrounding the firing of CTT, and coaching search, I still believe we made a monumental error in not hiring Turner Gill. Lets be honest, despite being one of the most well funded programs in the country (top 6, I believe), we only have a slightly above average football program. Why is that? We are only 5 years removed from an undefeated season and out program is in shambles. How? The reason is that Auburn is perceived as a rural, backwards, good ol’boy school. After CGC was hired, it took exactly 2 minutes for the media to paint Auburn with the tar of racism. We have a tremendous image problem and it impedes our ability to go out and get the talent we should have been raking in with our recent success against Bama, not to mention their own coaching follies prior to the hiring of Coach Satan.
CTT was a great recruiter and was always able to land some superlative talent, but he couldn’t put together the recruiting classes year in and year out like the other top programs around the country. As a result, it was always an uphill battle to maintain a top tier program, CTT’s classes were always missing a key ingredient or much needed depth that puts you in the top 5 year in and year out. Its the kind of job I believe wears you out and clearly, at the end, CTT was worn out. He had done his best for Auburn but just couldn’t plug all the wholes in the dyke that just kept developing with time. He couldn’t reload every year like Florida, LSU, UGA, TEXAS, Oklahoma and USC do.
What I’m getting at, is that Auburn needs to do something to set itself apart from the rest of the SEC and to change its image. Turner Gill would have done that. He may not have been the best coach available but he was the best choice for Auburn at the time. Hiring Turner would have changed the tide for us in the recruiting wars and would have given us a leg up on our competition. How many top recruits have us on their list, love the campus but come decision day go somewhere else. It happens all the time!! It may sound racist but I really thing having an African American coach would sway a lot of that talent to come to Auburn. Especially a young, charismatic guy like Turner Gill. Sylvester Crooms, he is not. Nor is Auburn anything like Starkville.
CGC is a very impressive guy and I’m very impressed with how quickly he righted a severely damaged program, but in the long run I think he will run into the same problem that CTT did, and that is he will get some good players but not enough of the top talent that LSU, Florida, UGA and BAMA get. CGC will have to instead recruit the best coaches and continue to coach up the cast offs that eventually make up the bulk of the Tiger roster. I like him and think he will do a fine job, I just think Turner Gill was the better guy for Auburn right now.
WAR EAGLE and I am looking forward to a fun season.
On what day did the Lord create Bear Bryant and couldn't he have rested on that day too?
I'm looking forward
to turning on ESPN this fall and hearing “One of the biggest surprises of the season thus far, Auburn…”
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
I thought Turner Gill would have been a good hire too, but I’ve got to appear naive and really hope it wasn’t a race thing, regardless of what Charles Barkley says. Col. Angus, I agree with alot of what you say, but it’s either a race issue or it isn’t a race issue. I don’t think there is much in between. The schools you mention at the end all have white (don’t know if that’s politically correct, sorry) coaches who have come up through the ranks. They weren’t born as (perceived) great coaches at great football schools, they developed. You can’t have a multi-colored (sorry, not politically correct again) coach that might appeal to every athlete, so what do you do?
I think Chizik will develop as well, if given a chance. Like the whole point of this post, what if Ames didn’t happen? – We wouldn’t even be close to this conversation. I’m ready to play the hand that was dealt, and I really think it’s a pretty good hand.
Sorry, thought of one more thing. Our lack of success in recruiting the superstars during the tenure of the last staff may have alot more to do with poor salesmanship than race relations. Obviously, we are doing some things differently. Maybe we just haven’t been able to close the deal. Maybe that is about to change. Lets see what happens.
Very True
Tuberville didn’t do a good job at all of parlaying the perfect season into recruiting sucess…in fact things got worse and worse every year after ‘04.
You are correct that the schools I’ve listed have white coaches, but for some reason we are seen as backwoods Bama boys and those other schools are not. I don’t know why that is, but I really think its unfair that somehow in this day and age Auburn is seen as a redneck school and somehow LSU, Bama, and UGA escape that stereotype. I just think bringing in a hot black coach would change the perception of our program and influence recruits in a positive way. I hate to say but I do think young black athletes consider that, especially if they have their pick of places to play.
I hope I’m wrong, but the evidence points to the contrary.
On what day did the Lord create Bear Bryant and couldn't he have rested on that day too?
Broyle's Award Winners as NCAA D-1 Head Coaches...
David Cutcliffe: The best of this group. Had some great years at Ole Miss and appears to be turning Duke around as quickly as possible.
Ralph Friedgen: First 3 seasons at Maryland were great (with Vanderlinden’s recruits), but is just over .500 in his last 5 seasons. Great coach to great players, sub par coach to sub par players (e.g. his own recruits).
Mark Mangino: Had an amazing 2007 campaign, but the other 6 seasons at Kansas were mediocre or worse.
Randy Shannon: 12-13 in two seasons at the form powerhouse.
Gene Chizik: yep…
All this to say that, assuming we are ignoring the ISU years, even the elite of assistant coaches typically don’t make great HCs, or at least not recently. Chizik may end up being great, and I’m not trying to put water on the fire, but speaking from experience, the last time the Bama nation got excited about a great assistant becoming our head coach, we won an SECC, followed by close to a decade of nightmares. Some assistants can only excel while working under great head coaches.
Again, not saying he won’t be the next great thing, but I don’t think you can legitimately 1) ignore what’s happened thus far as a head coach, 2) call him the next great thing simply based on his assistant coaching reputation.
But, you do have a right to be excited. He’s doing more than anyone thought he’d do at this point in the game. Future is looking decent, at worst…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
That's a great post.
……There’s been a lot written about Mike DuBose, most of it unflattering. He did know, however, that it takes great players to win, period. His methods for obtaining those players, well, maybe that didn’t work out so well. There were staff issues, too. Half the staff cut loose, after 1997. The Charlie Stubbs feud. Stubbs basically wanted to run the AirRaid, Dubose was old-school I-formation. There was the near-firing over the sexual harrassment complaint. But what did Mike in, was when Shaun Alexander graduated. Great players will make great coaches. Alexander was, in my (biased, maybe) mind, one of the greatest to ever put on a Crimson jersey.
……Who’s Auburn’s “great player,” right now? Best shots for this year: Antonio Coleman and Mario Fannin.
……DuBose probably got promoted too quickly. You’ve got to remember, this guy was exclusively a D-line coach, through 1995. Then Bill Oliver left, and Dubose was promoted to D-coordinator, to preside over a really fast, veteran defense. One year later, he was suddenly head coach at Alabama, where there’s not a lot of margin for error.
Thanks Acid...
great info as well…
Dubose’s hire was the perfect example of how trustees and boosters actually run a program. If I’m not mistaken, the athletic dept was going after Beamer (could be wrong), but the BOT wanted a “Bama Man” at the helm. He had a great season to begin with (in all honesty, you and I could’ve coached that team to an SEC West title) but then the wheels fell off…
I also agree, in principle, that Alexander virtually gave Dubose the guise of being a little better coach than he actually was. Sound familiar? …coughTEcoughBOW…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
Tuberville
was a great assistant at Miami (at least one national championship while he was there; maybe 2, I don’t remember). As I remember, he went on to become a great head coach. So there’s a hole in your bammer “logic” right there.
"Tigers make history. Undefeated, unmatched, undeniably the best team in Auburn football history, and the best team in the nation. They are YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Auburn fans. The TIGERS are 13-0!" -- Rod Bramblett, AU Network, 01.03.05
Read the title of my post...
Tuberville, nor Saban, nor Meyer, nor Carroll were ever Broyle’s Award winners. That was the premise of my post. Obviously, every coach (great or not) was an assistant at one time.
The fact that Chizik won the Broyle’s as an assistant (which means he was the best) struck my curiosity, so I took a look at all the Broyle’s Award winners from this list (only dates back to ’96) to see how these elite assistants made it as head coaches. I was surprised to see that only one coach has done “well” as this category goes.
There was no bias behind this. It’s simply a list and results from a category I created. I did not know the results before I decided to posted this, so had every one of these coaches excelled, I’d have posted that; but the results yield otherwise. So the fact that you are not happy with these results shows more about what you think about your head coach than it shows what I think.
So if your idea of “bammer logic” is simply stating facts and historical trends that may not coincide with your optimistic outlook of your coach, you’re going to get really pissed when I share my actual opinion…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant
All speculation anyway...
What matters is what happens on the field.
And Ole Miss is overrated, Wonderful quarterback goes down? What do they have?
LSU GA BAMA all have new quarterbacks…that are unproven….AU still is looking for one…if any of these quarterbacks go down…the whole picture could change…that is why it makes me angry for anyone to write off anyone else…or to say that this team or that is a front runner…there are too many variables.
Recruting is not everything...
Trojans earned the No. 1 recruiting class in the country in 2004, narrowly edging out LSU and Miami. …Were any of these teams the National Champions last year five years later???
Some statistic guru out there tell us how often it has happened that a national recruiting champian has been the national champion five years later…
Thats the truth!!!
I don’t hear the ESPN recruiting shows salivate over Bill Beamer’s Virginia Tech recruiting classes and yet they remain competitive due to great defense and special teams, coaching and game say strategy. They are a dark horse again to go the the BCS this year…..and they WILL beat Bama in the Dome labor day weekend.
Coaching, means everything….but having great athletes to coach doesn’t hurt.
On what day did the Lord create Bear Bryant and couldn't he have rested on that day too?
Well said....
all the stars on a recruit mean is that he is either incredible raw talent or talented and polished enough to contribute early according to the recruiting gurus. The lesser stars are still talented and most times the kids mature into players better than the stars they were given as recruits provided that the coaching is sound. Tuberville was a master at finding kids that matured into better players than the recruiting talking heads fortold, admittedly he didn’t recruit with the vigor that the current staff is showing but give the guy some credit because you don’t win 85 games in 10 seasons by not recruiting and developing the talent.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
No, #1 class doesn't equal NC, but...
’02 Texas – National Championship in ’05 (Senior year for #1 class)
’03 LSU – National Championship in ’07 (RS Senior year for #1 class)
’04 USC – This class has saw: 6 losses in 5 years, National Championship in ’04 with alot of contributing true freshmen, 4 out of 5 BCS Bowl victories, 5 conference titles.
’05 USC – Above applies…
’06 USC – Above applies…
’07 Florida – National Championship in ’08 with a lot of contributing personelle from this class.
‘08 & ’09 Alabama – We’ll see…
So you’re right, it doesn’t always spell National Championship, but since the star system on Rival came out in ’02, the #1 class typically leads to a pretty decent outcome somewhere down the road, and I hope that trend continues…
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success" - Coach Bryant

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