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West Virginia: The Worst Fans In College Football?

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The worst fans or just misunderstood?

Let's face it. The state of West Virginia doesn't have the best reputation in the world. There's been enough mountaineer jokes through the years to fill Jay Leno's monologue coffers for the next 20 years. Fans of the football team do little to help the state's cause.

Talk to an Auburn fan who made the trip to Morgantown last year and you'll almost certainly hear a bad story. Many that made the trip say the fans were the worst they'd encountered in all their years of traveling to games. They were described as rude, classless and mean spirited.

"We took a bus to the stadium," said one fan. "When we arrived, the driver told us to walk this way, pointing his finger around the stadium. You don't want to go that way, they'll fight you," the driver continued. "And whatever you do, don't walk alone."

If you suddenly conjure up thoughts of Deliverance, you are not alone.

Numerous fans reported being screamed at and threatened while walking through the stadium. Are we talking about Baghdad or a college campus? This comes from a group of fans whose team has really never made a blip on the college football map.

Outside of being Notre Dame's bowl victim during the Irish's run to the 1989 national championship, West Virginia has accomplished little on the field. Yet a sizable portion of its fans feel the need to make up for it in the stands - something of a little man syndrome.

I'm sure there are fine people who wear the Mountaineer colors. Unfortunately, there appears to be a sizable number of fans who overshadow what is probably overall a good group of people.

Their reputation wasn't helped after last year's movie, The Express.

In the movie about 1961 Heisman Trophy winner Ernie Davis, the Mountaineer fans are depicted as hardcore racists who scream and throw bottles at the Syracuse great. Unfortunately for the school, there's no shred of evidence it ever happened. It was all the work of Hollywood, trying to supposedly capture the essence of what fans felt during that time. It's a reputation they may never live down and that's unfortunate.

Tomorrow the roles reverse and West Virginia comes to town. Their fans have already started arriving in The Loveliest Village for Saturday night's game. They'll likely encounter some of the friendliest fans in America. It's what Auburn's known for across the nation.

What a contrast.

Maybe you read some of the Auburn message boards and fanposts a few weeks back after Louisiana Tech paid a visit to Jordan-Hare Stadium. Tech fans raved about how great the experience was and how much fun they had on campus. It makes you feel good to read these things.

Auburn fans will need to have short memories Saturday. Many were treated rudely last season by our visitors from the hills. Rather than retaliate, let's show them some Southern hospitality - apparently they need it.

Leave your muskets at home and let the Auburn players do the fighting on the field.

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WVU Worst Fans

I am a “DYE” hard Auburn fan, and sometimes feel like the only one in WV. I will say that there are a lot of great WVU fans out there. They ones that you may have encountered are mostly known as the “Student Section”. I was personally offered FREE tickets to last years game, and turned them down due to their disrespect for visitors. I was at the first matchup between WVU and Miami at WVU. At that point, I knew that I would never, if we ever matched up, visit WVU. I have been to a few games since, and the outcome was always the same.

Unfortunatley the Admin at WVU refuses to do anything to improve their image to the public during their home games. Show them TIGER PRIDE when the Mountaineers come for their weekend visit. Like mom used to say, “Kill them with Kindness”. WAR EAGLE!!!!

From a TRUE Auburn fan that just happens to live in the beautiful state of WV but ashamed of the way you were treated last year.

by aubie375 on Sep 18, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Somehow I can just imagine

telling some of their fans “welcome to Auburn” and them responding with “f*** you” or by throwing a bag of pee at me. I’ll be nice at first, but if something like that happens, I’m afraid all bets might be off. Let’s hope for the best. WARRRRR EAGLE!!!

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Sep 18, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

This Article is Nothing But Lies and Hearsay

Goodness, I can’t believe you even bring up “The Express” thing when acknowledging there’s not a shred of evidence it ever happened. In fact, ithe supposed racist events have been proven FALSE/IMPOSSIBLE — it’s not that there’s no evidence. The game between Syracuse and West Virginia where racial slurs were supposedly flying was played in SYRACUSE, not in WV. The director of that movie acknowledged it was fictitious.

In short, your report is flat out pathetic when you take that lie along with all the hearsay you’re reporting as truth (why do you think there’s no reports of any injuries to Auburn fans if WVU fans were really that dangerous/violent? Because it didn’t happen, IDIOT.). Thanks for making shit up though to defame an entire fan base — very classy, and I guarantee it will get you far in life. Good luck with your “journalism” career — it’s never too late to change while you still can.

by csloan999 on Sep 18, 2009 1:52 AM CDT reply actions  

As the NFL pregame guys would say...

…..C’mon, MAN?!? Treating visitors like crap is bad news, period. Although, I have to say, visitors acting like jackasses is probably worse. It will be interesting to see what the Mountaineer traveling faithful will do, in Auburn. I’ll be there, this weekend. Honestly, this decade, the worst crowd of piss-drunk, trash throwing idiot visitors I’ve seen at Auburn, were from South Florida. Those folks were throwing tequila bottles AT THEIR OWN TEAM, after they won!

…..And no, you won’t have to put up with Acid’s wacky keyboard pounding during the game. I’ll start the open thread Saturday morning, but I’m going to be road-tripping it to Auburn, and hopefully watching the Tigers take another leap forward!

……War Eagle!

by Acid Reign on Sep 18, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Take it from someone who was there

West Virginia fans were awful. They would cuss you just because you were wearing Auburn attire. They were even cussing at a family with a 5 or 6 year old girl. So you can call it Lies and Hearsay if you want… but I was there. I saw it with my own eyes.

Welcome to Auburn, I hope you enjoy your stay here (but hope you go home unhappy).

If you are a War Damn Eagle, you can War Damn anything.

by WarDamnZach on Sep 18, 2009 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Proof?

$269 receipt for a bashed in windshield…is that proof enough??

War Eagle!

by CKTCooper on Sep 18, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

csloan, chill out man

The article raised the issue of the incident in the movie specifically to deny that it happened, in order to correct the false impression made by the movie.

But your reaction is a perfect example of how things will spin out of control simply on the basis of a perceived slight.

Being kind to the visiting WVU fans will be an effort Auburn fans will have to make just to maintain peace. But we don’t have to take too much abuse, either.

by KungFuPanda9 on Sep 18, 2009 4:58 AM CDT reply actions  

the cheerleader to the far right looks like the coal miner’s daughter :)

by win4au on Sep 18, 2009 7:21 AM CDT reply actions  

a few bad apples

there are a a few bad apples in every barrel. I grew up in west virginia and have lived in many places since. I have been to many football games in morgantown as well as other places in the country. No doubt it gets rowdy there, but no worse than anywhere else I’ve been. The single worst action I’ve ever seen at a football game was after wvu played georgia in atlanta a few years back. This drunk georgia fan was just running full speed down a crowded side sidewalk trying to punch people in the face as he passed. Horrible! but not indicative of georgia fans as a group. my point is you’re stereotyping and as always, that’s not fair. the people mentioned on the bus where terrified b/c the bus driver planted the seed before they even got off the bus. no one was just going to get attacked regardless of the direction they chose to walk around the staduim…heckled, yes…attacked…no

I do hope everything goes smoothly this weekend, including a wvu victory but please…relax…and for god sakes, keep an open mind, wvu fans are no different than anyone else

by adam m on Sep 18, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Then you have never been to AU......

sure there are dumbasses everywhere but at AU they are few and far between because AU fans won’t put up with it in general…..if you are accosted by some drunk AU fan acting like an ass and you are plainly innocent you can expect plenty of help from the AU family around you.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't

be fooled by the gross exaggerations in this article. There are some unruly WV fans just like there are everywhere, but I’ve never seen anything like what is being described there in 20+ years of following the mountaineers. I’ve seen nothing but nice Auburn fans, so far, but I recall a story that Jessie Palmer told on ESPN about coming into Auburn and he said little kids and grandmothers were saying things you can’t say on TV and throwning things at them.

And if any of those things did go on in Morgantown last year, let me sincerely apologize. The vast majority of WV fans aren’t like that.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that Jessie Palmer was talking about LSU...

I remember him saying that…

D’OH!!!!

Oh, and this:

or by throwing a bag of pee at me
Freaking hillarious.

by LSU Jonno on Sep 18, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

I think it was LSU. The bag of pee thing is absurdly hilarious. I just picture the process of creating the “bag of pee”. Ridiculous.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Sep 18, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are bags of pee

available at the concession stand, or at kiosks outside the stadiums?

by War Eagle Atlanta on Sep 18, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deliverance?

Typical stereotypes thrown out by someone FROM THE SOUTH!! lol. You do realize Deliverance was set in Georgia right? The incredible inaccuracies in this post completely discredits pretty much anything else written. And it’s laughable when someone says something like, ‘It was awful. I was there. I saw it with my own eyes.’ Well guess what. I was there too and I saw nothing that has been described in this article or from the fans who claimed they were there. Just another attempt to make ‘yourself’ feel better by insulting others. Nothing more, nothing less.

by EerManiac on Sep 18, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes

I don’t know how many times I’ve heard that “Deliverance” insult from a southerner. Gets funnier every time.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Say what you want about the South...

I used to think that our every-other-year trips to Arkansas were taking us out of civilization. That is, until my brother and I took the trip to morgantown last year. That place is on the back side of nowhere. All the buildings in town look run down, and you just got the feeling that you were in BFE. You just don’t get that feeling anywhere in the SEC, not even Starkville or Fayetteville.

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Sep 18, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea, except maybe

Auburn….seriously? That place is a big farm. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, but there is NOTHING there. Sure you’re BETWEEN Atlanta and Montgomery, but it’s a vast wasteland in between. Morgantown and Auburn would be ghost towns without their schools, it is what it is, but Auburn is JUST as BFE or more than Morgantown. By the way, I went to both games with an Auburn buddy I work with. He was cursed at once, by a WVU student(who create 99% of the problems anyway), and I called the student an idiot and an embarassment. That was the extent of his altercations in Morgantown, he had no pee thrown at him, no crushed windshield or anything like that. He did get a few sympathy beers after. Auburn fans are great, and I couldn’t have asked for a more hospitable experience. How can you write a post about how bad fans are, then meaninglessly bash the fan base and people of a proud state yourself??? Hypocritical much?

by smitty_cregger on Oct 6, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Worst experience of my life...

I am intentionally staying away from the Plains this weekend because I would ruin our reputation by exacting my revenge on these idiots. Do not be fooled. They are not hillbillies. They are Pittsburgh rejects.

I would simply walk around campus during the game and slash the tires of any WVU fan I came across.

by dsdowdy2112 on Sep 18, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

^^^^^^Marshall fan

The “Pittsburgh rejects” gave you away.

by eerinthebayous on Sep 18, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

As well as the Slashing tire comment.....

if he truly is an AU fan I hope he continues to stay away until he learns how to act.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Goober

Dude, you’re a goober. Let me catch any of you trying to slash my tires and you’ll get a bag of pee to the face.

Second, what the heck does WAR EAGLE have to do with a tiger? That’s about as redneck as it gets. WAR EAGLE?? just plain gay.

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody here agrees with slashing a tire

We would probably jump the guy too if we caught him doing that. I for one certainly would.

However, you starting the insult on our battle cry is only proving us more right that you guys don’t carry yourselves well.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

First of all let me say....

if I or anyone catches him slashing tires he’ll get worse than the insult of a bag of pee in his face……thats not what an Auburn Man (or Woman) is about. We don’t want or need any fan that behaves that way. And we don’t ask you to understand our tradition so stop with the weak insults. Have a safe trip and enjoy your time at our home…..War Eagle.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feelings

What’s up with the thin skin? You say we dont carry ourselves well because I made fun of your battle cry? Are we in preschool sittinig in a circle holding hands? C’mon people! MAN UP! This is college football!!! If we cant have fun and talk a little smack on a message board without someone getting their feelings hurt, then we are in sorry shape!

No one wants anyone to get hurt at a game or be tormented. When I go to an away game, I expect a little smack talk from the home team. It happens….get over it. It’s all part of the experience. If a fan cant handle that, then maybe they should stay home and watch it on ESPN 2.

With that said, it is also very uncool to terrorize the away team fans or get physicial with anyone. Lets all have fun, drink a few beers, talk a little smack, watch WVU kick some AU arse, and call it a night. Alright??

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its a cultural difference I guess......

and I assume you are directing the thin skinned remark at Sparkey.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

ummmhmmm

Yeah, I’m just giving you all a hard time. Someone actually brought that up on a WVU message board. No need to cry about it. lol

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Todd...

I know I can always count on you to have my back. ;-)

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

That clown

is probably a bammer trying to make us look bad. they will do anything to make Auburn look bad.

by James4au on Sep 18, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe a good time....

to recite the Auburn Creed?

I've seen good TEAMS beat teams with great individuals.

by Indytiger1 on Sep 18, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Slashing tires

is hard work…lol

I've seen good TEAMS beat teams with great individuals.

by Indytiger1 on Sep 18, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad Experience

I guess getting thrashed 34-17 WAS a bad experience after going up 17-3, dsdowdy. I think I see where some of this is coming from.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Distortions

I think subconsciously the author cited The Express – with its completely fictional segment painting West Virginia fans as Selma, Alabama-level racists – because his post runs in that same vein. That is to say, it’s a remarkably slanted, ungracious, condescending and unsupported piece, underlined not with facts but with weasel words and phrases such as numerous, almost certainly, and many. Then there’s the "quote" from "one" anonymous "fan" citing a "bus driver".

The agenda here is clear. The big loss last year at the hands of a 2-time BCS bowl winner that "really never made a blip on the college football map" (and really, no one makes blips on maps) still stings, and the author longs to see the "little man" put back in his rightful place.

I’m quite sure some Auburn fans encountered some unruly West Virginia fans, as happens at sporting events worldwide. I guess when that happens in West Virginia’s case, some folks’ prejudices automatically kick in and override their good sense. Especially when those folks get their information about West Virginians from Hollywood distortions and Jay Leno’s throwaway “jokes”.

And of course he broke out the obligatory – and wildly misplaced – Deliverance reference. But others have covered that ground above, I see.

Yep, thanks for showing so much of that Southern hospitality you’re urging on everyone else.

Comments say something about the fan base, too. So congratulations on having at least one fan who apparently would think nothing of walking around a college campus and randomly slashing strangers’ tires. Might there be some bad apples at Auburn, too? Inconceivable!

The above unpleasantness aside, the good Mountaineer fans wish the good Tiger fans the best. Off the field of play, anyway.

by glib on Sep 18, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Are John Denver Jokes

considered in-bounds then?

Deliverance jokes are a swipe at all Appalachia, of which you are a part geographically. That being said, I’m not bringing my banjo Saturday night—mostly because it’s going to rain.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Sep 18, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uhhhhh....

Isn’t Alabama the state where one fan shot another fan last season? Oh yeah, that was an Alabama/LSU family feud. Auburn fans must be entirely different, right?

by eerinthebayous on Sep 18, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately.....

the state of Alabama has its fair share of methed out rednecks also……the good news is those folks can rarely afford a ticket to the game.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you asking

if we are the total opposite of the bammers? Um, YES. lol

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Sep 18, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since I live....

a couple of hours from Gulf Shore I’m close enough to know Tiger and Tide fans are not any too different.

by eerinthebayous on Sep 18, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Now that can’t be further from the truth. Come to an Auburn game.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, then you’re clueless.

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Sep 18, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fan Violence: The European Soccer Hooligan’s Guide to SEC Football

Since 2004, three UF/UGA students have died while attending "The World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party,"and the festivities surrounding it, the most disturbing of these being the 2005 death of 23-year-old UF student Tom Brown. "He beat my son literally to death, spit in his face, and left him…gurgling his own blood," said Brown’s mother, Kathryn Norwood Brown, "as he ran away laughing with his friends."

The rivalry between the Alabama Crimson Tide and the Auburn Tigers, some would say, is on the same level as the current "rivalry" between Israel and Hamas. No shortages of fisticuffs take place at the yearly contest known as "The Iron Bowl". These two programs feel nothing but pure blood lust for one another, but things got really ugly the day before the game in 2005, and it would get even uglier before it was all said and done.

In the dark hours of the morning before the showdown on the gridiron, a 25 year old Alabama fan, a semi-pro mixed martial artist by the name of Joey Barrett Jr., stood outside a Phi Kappa Tau fraternity house party in Auburn screaming the phrase "Roll Tide!" Shortly afterward, things got physical. Barrett stabbed a fraternity member at the scene. He then fled and was pursued by some of the other party goers. Another melee ensued, and Barrett stabbed four more victims, all of which eventually recovered from their wounds. Barrett was later arrested and charged with multiple counts, including aggravated assault.

The most recent act of shocking SEC violence happened in November of 2008, when the double homicide of two LSU fans rocked the small town of Evergreen, Alabama, playing out like a bloody scene from a Quentin Tarantino film.
Allegedly, two LSU fans; a couple named Dennis and Donna Smith, called the perpetrator; Alabama fan Michael Williams, via cell phone after the Tigers loss. After which, a bout of alcohol induced insults and taunting took place.
The couple, soon afterward, arrived at Williams’ home where he and Mr. Smith engaged in a fistfight in the front yard. The LSU fan Smith then went to his truck and produced a pistol and made threatening statements. Williams then retrieved a shotgun from his home and fired two fatal blasts into Smith and his wife.

No, fans of SEC football have not yet degenerated into the US equivalent of European soccer hooligans, although if you are considering attending a game down here I would recommend throwing a can of mace or a pair of brass knuckles in with your standard tailgating supplies. Don’t make any sudden movements, and try not to look them in the eye.

 

Barrett stabbed a fraternity member at the scene. He then fled and was pursued by some of the other party goers. Another melee ensued, and Barrett stabbed four more victims, all of which eventually recovered from their wounds. Barrett was later arrested and charged with multiple counts, including aggravated assault.

by fly'n wv on Sep 18, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

How does some sidewalk alumni trailer trash.....

bammers instigating stuff a full 24 hours before game time on AU’s campus an example of AU’s unruliness? I fail to see the relevance.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hello?

It’s an example of SEC unruliness and shows that the alleged incidents in Morgantown pale in comparison.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hello?

An isolated incident on AU’s campus is hardly an example of SEC unruliness and certainly not indicative of how you will be treated on AU’s campus…..the only lesson you can take from that is don’t go to fraternity row and start crap. When you see AU fans at the stadium chanting Asshole at you and your family or throwing cups or bottles at you let me know that would be an example of AU fans being as bad or worse than yours.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't

The only example. There are 3 examples in that post. I see something in your signature about grades…… Must be the problem.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL....

yeah stoop to the goofy level and try and insult me because I don’t see the relevance in your example. Mainly because they don’t involve AU or is that something that your willing to overlook. Now remind me again how is it relevant that a drunk redneck started a fight on AU’s frat row and ended up gigging some people or an LSU Bama incident or UGA UF incident is relevant to AU. Maybe you should check your own IQ before responding.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

But my IQ is fine and I’m sure your’s is too. Let’s just enjoy the game and may the best team win, friend.

The point is that there is bad behavior everywhere and that it is wrong everywhere. The article’s portrayal of WV fans is over the top.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quite Frankly

I think the author’s attitude is more about sour grapes from that thrashing AU took last year than anything.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes it is everywhere.....

but I hope you are pleasantly surprised by the behavior of the AU family. And while we do have an axe to grind with WVU it should remain on the football field and not in the parking lot or the stands. You should also note that neither Atlanta nor most of Florida is considered a representative of Southern Hospitality by most of us anymore (there are too many yankees and outsiders in both to be so).

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

No confidence

You guys must not have any confidence in Auburn. We only burn couches when we win.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry you missed the mark on your stereotypes ...

Deliverance was shot in the Tallulah Gorge south of Clayton, Georgia and on the Chattooga River, dividing the states of Georgia and South Carolina. Additional scenes were shot as well in Salem, South Carolina and Sylva, North Carolina. A scene was also shot at the Mount Carmel Baptist Church cemetery, which now lies 300 feet under the surface of Lake Jocassee, South Carolina. PLOT: Four Atlanta businessmen – Lewis (Reynolds), Ed (Voight), Bobby (Beatty), and Drew (Cox) – decide to canoe down the fictional Cahulawassee River in the remote Georgia wilderness, expecting to have fun and see the glory of nature before the river valley is flooded over by the upcoming construction of a dam and lake.

And an archive of one of the best post I ever saw disputing a KC article on The Express:

In death, Ernie Davis was ‘teaching people how to live’

By BLAIR KERKHOFF
The Kansas City Star

Jim Brown, Floyd Little and other Syracuse gridiron heroes made their way back to campus this weekend to celebrate the premiere of "The Express," the movie depicting the too-short life of the Orangemen’s gifted running back Ernie Davis.

AN EXCERPT:

The movie, which opens nationally on Oct. 10, uses football to tell a story of a proud individual whose profile grew along with the civil-rights movement. Syracuse trips to West Virginia and the Cotton Bowl in Dallas provide the racially charged backdrop.

A COMMENT:

I didn’t miss a WVU home game between 1959 and 1975. I don’t remember any scenes of overt racism in Morgantown. In fact, WVU fans back in those days were probably a lot more genteel than they are today. Also, Ernie Davis was raised in Uniontown — 20 miles from Morgantown — where he lived with his grandparents. When Syracuse went to Morgantown, he in effect was going home.

I obviously haven’t seen this movie, but this one sentence makes me wonder if the screenwriters relied more on ugly stereotypes and a venomous prejudice against rural white Americans than on historical facts or even common sense.

I caught a clip a few months ago of the scene where Cuse plays WVU, and it struck me as being a bit ridiculous. Another case of stereotyping WVians by hollywood. A shame as I really enjoy the Ernie Davis story.

It’s a damn shame

The truth is a great story. Why in the hell would the screenwriters feel a need to embellish it?

Also, Coach Schwarzwalder was a WVU graduate
This movie doesn’t pass the smell test on any level. Ben Schwarzwalder and Ernie Davis were coming home when they played in Morgantown. They were the opponents, yes, but they were known here and widely admired. Coach Schwarzwalder was always treated as a returning hero.

In that era, you might get 25,000 fans at a WVU game (and many fewer in 1960 when the Mountaineers went winless). Kickoffs were always at 1:30 on Saturday afternoons. The stadium was on campus with no tailgating. This was the era when freshmen wore beanies and threw them away when WVU scored its first points at home.

It was a different era. Football was a diversion not an obsession. There wasn’t much rowdiness, and I don’t remember and can’t imagine any overt displays of racism. Had it really happened, it’s inconceivable that Coach Schwarzwalder would have ignored it.

Ernie Davis grew up in Uniontown, Pa., about 20 miles from Morgantown, W.Va. I wonder if the screenwriters are basing “the racially charged backdrop” on historical fact or on stereotypes and a venomous prejudice against rural whites? I attended WVU football games in that era and remember relatively small, genteel crowds gathering on campus for a few hours on Saturday afternoons. There were no displays of rabid emotions or racism. It was a different era in more ways than one. Football was a diversion not an obsession.

So much for internet legends and rumors.

by HAmmEERman on Sep 18, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Free tickets

BTW: I doubt the previous poster is the guys I encountered by I met 3 young guys last year and walked with them from the Towers to the field. We walked by the notorious PIT and received only jeering. Had a wonderful discussion of our teams and lo and behold when they got to the stadium they found they had lost one of their ticket in a local pizza establishment. I had a spare and offered it to them for free. They refused it free so I said OK then pay face value – $45. I guess I could have gouged them for the scalper price which seemed to be going for over $100 but I really wasn’t concerned with the $$$ just wanted to insure my new friends didn’t drive for a disappointment.

Sorry some may have encountered tanked up nastyes but unfortunately there is always that 10% wherever you go.

by HAmmEERman on Sep 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't get too riled up over the post....

did you not see that the author said that the whole movie portrayol was not based on fact and that its unfortunate for WVU to be unfairly labeled? And I don’t think anyone is painting the WVU fan base as a whole as hooligans but surely you must see the kind of behavior that has been described by the AU faithful……and once again at AU we police ourselves for the most part because we take pride in our hospitality and our school. If you see some kid acting a fool and being beligerent you will typically see his friends keeping him in check or backing the visitors to diffuse the situation……plainly said its not tolerated and we don’t have the 10% we have the 2%.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

so it's true

“You guys must not have any confidence in Auburn. We only burn couches when we win.”

by KungFuPanda9 on Sep 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Why do you burn couches?

by KungFuPanda9 on Sep 18, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

I’ve never burned one, but it’s been done at a lot of places and they’ve really cracked down on it at WV. It hasn’t been done in a long time.

Google Ohio State and couch burning. We have no monopoly on that.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hasn't been done in a long time?

I don’t really have a bone to pick with you personally. You seem like a genuinely nice person and probably one of the decent ’Eers fans. But I think that maybe you might be out of touch with your alma mater.

I received my PhD from WVU about 4 years ago. I lived in Mo’town for about 3 years, met my husband there, etc. etc. Initially I was excited to be in a place that had football tradition..that was until I went to several tailgates and a football game. I didn’t go after that. Why? It is trash talk if you had a foe a beer and then jab at his/her team a bit. It something else entirely to throw empty cans at the opposing team’s fans. The student section was always throwing something on the field until they started to get penalized, and they did when no one else was looking. The couch burning was alive and well when I lived there. One fire got out of control and lit a small yugo on fire and torched electrical poles. That same season, there was a cop car in Sunneyside that was overturned by ‘fans’. I think that you and I both know that these were likely spoiled kids from NJ, but that is another post.

Look, when you grew up going to games in the Loveliest Village, you get used to certain common courtesies. What I routinely witnessed in Mo’town was anything but. Sorry, dude. Both my husband and I were so turned off, that we will never root for WVU again. Ever. I don’t wish any ill will. But if you want the perception of your university to change, then act humanely yourself and teach your kids to do the same.

by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 18, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's an idea

Instead of talking about how you’re being portrayed unfairly, why don’t you guys come out tomorrow and carry yourselves in an orderly manner that remarks class and kindness. Then, when a Mountaineer fan starts acting ridiculously, why don’t you help keep them in line along with the Auburn family. That’s what we do here. If you wanted to change the perception, then come out and give us reasons why our bias is incorrect.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

I understand that......

and once again I am positive that its not the majority of Eers that acted the ways that are described. I have been to WV many many times over the past 25 years and have always had a great time through out the state. I know that the people there are friendly and considerate to visitors……and maybe it is just the jersey trash that I have been told of.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh Brother

Yeah. We do that also, but don’t try to pretend that you don’t have ANY unruly fans and that those holier than thou Auburn fans ALWAYS keep them in line. LOL.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

We may not be able to control all of them but we do our best....

and we aren’t trying to be holier than thou. You will find that the Drunk tanks at the Stadium (hopefully through second hand knowledge) are full of AU people as well as visitors that needed to calm down. The AU PD can be a little agressive weeding out the problem spots as well. Regardless this argument is fruitless and I hope you have a great time at AU…..good luck and War Eagle.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

But I will be watching it on the Big Screen. Good luck to you as well.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your bias, our burden

So it’s on others to disprove your admitted bias. Guilty until proven innocent. Well, that’s very fair-minded and American of ya, Sparkey.

by glib on Sep 18, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is it bias when.....

thats what someone experienced at your campus? Once something has been witnessed is it not a legitimate perception? I don’t think it is on the individual to disprove or overcome the perception but it is on the group and the individual influences the outcome.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're

Assuming that the allegation has merit. If it does, it just shows that there are A-holes everywhere and I’m sure if there was anything I could do about it or the authorities could have done, they would have done it. Anybody can make an allegation.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I assume the allegations have merit because I know some of the people....

who have made the allegations very well and I’m not referring to people on this board although I know many to be reliable sources. I agree that its the few that make the rest look bad…..and I stand by that…..my only contention is that I hope AU shows the WVU faithful the hospitality that we are famous for.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

I have been treated poorly at other stadiums as well. My son went to the 2007 MD game and people went out of their way to give him the same old stereotypes, like “are you here with your sister” or a version of that I can’t put on here. My son has lived in MD his whole life, BTW. Do I think MD fans are any worse than anyplace else. Of course not.

Claiming moral superiority seems really important to you, so I will not try to take that from you, but you guys better behave :)

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Having moral superiority is not the point nor the desire....

being known for hospitality is……being a gracious host is…..and I hope that our fans behave properly as well. Hospitality does not equate to moral superiority…..it equates to making friends and enjoying the atmosphere.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have our fair share of troublemakers

But, you have reputation for having more. A lady friend of mine that graduated from South Florida said that the only fans in the Big East that worse than USF are the Mountaineers. She said they are down right awful and hell to deal with. Well, that’s someone from your own conference saying that you have a terrible set of fans. If everybody says it, then everybody can’t be wrong.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice logic

Someone from a conference = everybody says it.

by glib on Sep 18, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is?

Is a lady friend of your’s from S. Fl. and some dude from Auburn everybody?

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Logic

A lesson:

A couple of examples of disgruntled venue-goers does not constitue EVERYBODY. I’m sure you can find people that have had bad experiences at Auburn.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Logic

You might want to introduce your self to it.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I have plenty

And, it sounds like to me instead of trying to change that perception you’re just going to say you’re being looked at unfairly. If you want it to stop, then get out there and do something about it. My point, is that all of the Auburn people I’ve met said the trip was terrible and that you guys have the worst fans of the bunch. You know, that says a lot. We deal with LSU fans and Alabama fans.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Opposite of Plenty

I think you should probably associate yourself with people that don’t get into trouble at ball games or people that aren’t such sore losers.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

We will have to agree to disagree. But, people have their perception about folks from the state of Alabama. Therefore, I do my best to behave in a classy manner to people from other states all over the country. You know, trying to behave myself to change our image sort of thing. You might want to try it one day.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm Glad

You do that, Sparkey, and most WV fans do the same. But try to understand that ANYBODY can get on the internet and make ANY unverifiable, anonymous allegation they want to make – especially when they are still sore from last year’s butt whoopin’. Just because it’s out there doesn’t make it true or that anybody should have to prove otherwise.

Also try to understand that it wouldn’t be that hard to find people that weren’t too thrilled with their exprience at an Auburn football game.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its harder than you might think.....

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alabama

Do I have to say anything else? Wasn’t that hard:)

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even the bama fans that you meet (outside of the few trolls that just want AU to look bad)...

will tell you that they are treated well on the Plains…..one reason is that many Bammers and Aubies are sharing bedrooms. My brother is a UA alum (I forgave him long ago) and one of the most obnoxious bammers out there but even he will admit to the hospitality and for the most part the same can be said about UA hosting AU.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have many husband and wife.......

house divided scenarios in this state (and yes more than a few divorces because of it). We take our football seriously and love it but we take our hospitality just as serious. Also, those looking for trouble can usually find it no matter where you are.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey

You gonna be watching the game tomorrow?

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only on the big screen.....

unfortunately I won’t be coming down……my uncle and I are cooking BBQ at my wifes convenience store tomorrow (and every saturday for that matter until we get our resturaunt open which should be in a few weeks). I may be able to come down for the Ball State game and maybe to Athens for the UGA game……the Ironbowl is a given haven’t missed one in years.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool

Sorry you won’t be here man. I’ll be in Tennessee next week so I now how stuff goes, have a great BBQ!!

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some

Would beg to differ. See how those internet allegations work?

My experience with Auburn fans, however, was remarkably different. At a time when the biggest controversy was vulgar language coming from the student section, Auburn fans proved to be worse. In addition to the usual combative nature of a rival team’s fans, Auburn fans at the LSU home game earlier this year were rude and unsportsmanlike. When LSU won the game with one second left, Auburn fans in the upper east deck began throwing trash at the field in protest. Nachos, chips and beer alike all rained down upon the LSU fans below them. This past year, my dad and I went to the away game against Auburn and witnessed almost the same level of arrogance. Auburn won that game, but I still saw objects being thrown by Auburn fans as LSU repeatedly charged for the endzone. With Auburn, rude and unsportsmanlike behavior does not end with the fans. The Auburn band would always play while our own Tiger Band was playing

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Auburn band would always play while our band was playing?

Sorry but thats funny……and during the game I’m sure its true. The rest of the tale is at best an anomoly and most likely embellished……either way I would be ashamed of our students if they acted that way.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

That was pretty nitpicky. The rest of it sounds like Mountaineer Field, however.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

If it gets you through the night, Auburn has the best fans on the planet – especially in 2002!

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beer isn't served at the games

also, it’s hilarious that this is coming from an LSU fan.

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum

by GumptownTiger on Sep 18, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Won’t let me post the line. I especially like the trash dumping incident at Auburn.

http://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/auburn-fans-should-learn-manners-from-alabama-1.919445

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops posted the above links in the wrong place.....

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way

If you’re ever out in the area of Auburn, for whatever reason. Jump on here and let us know. We’ll make sure you are well taken care of-whatever drink you may want alcoholic or nonalcoholic you might want.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

If I were going, I’d take you up on that.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I get that. If you ever are then just know that offer stands. Though, my drinking ways are kind of revealing themselves currently.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

I’ve already started the pregame festivities!! I love tailgating with a laptop!!

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the most

heated discussion I think I’ve ever seen at TET, lol.

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Sep 18, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Pride

Friends of Auburn,

Us Mountaineers take a lot of pride in our state and Football program. When we hear somoene totally smearing us as fans, we’re going to step in and say something about it. I’ve been to several games and have seen some very nice Mountaineer fans. They have been good hosts to the visitors. Don’t believe everything you read.

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I have stated it before and will again now....

I know that the people of WV are couteous and kind from visiting their many times since the early 80’s….but that doesn’t mean that your student’s or at least a faction of your students didn’t go over the line with a great many of the AU visitors last season…..just sayin. I love the state of WV and even applied to grad school there (more for location than for academics….I must confess) and yes I was accepted but wasn’t guaranteed a stipend.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

"courteous"

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

This is quite impressive. If the players work as hard as you guys are… we are going to have one hell of a game!!

If you are a War Damn Eagle, you can War Damn anything.

by WarDamnZach on Sep 18, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Jarrett Brown, QB, WVU

Just like UPS, Jarrett Brown can deliver on the ground or in the air.

You’re getting ready to witness what Brown can do for you.

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hasn't made a blip on the national radar?? LOL!!! What panet are you on?

Son, WVU has won two BCS bowl games in the last three years: the Sugar and Fiesta. How many has Auburn won? We also made enough of a blip to beat your sorry asses last year and have been a Top 10 program while your team has floundered. WVU has been the superior program for AT LEAST 5 years. Going back to a title game in ’89 to make a point? Talk about a pathetic SEC homer.

by hilarious on Sep 18, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Uhhh.....

one year doesn’t make a team bad for the others. And we won the SEC and the Sugar Bowl in ’04…..going 13-0, thats five years ago there ace.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uhh

West Virginia beat the SEC champ George in 2005 and the Big 12 champ, Oklahoma in 2007, so that would be 2 BCS wins. We also won 4 straight bowl games and Pat White is the only QB to EVER accomplish. We SHOULD have played for the NC in 2007, but blew it.

We’re not knocking Auburn’s accomplishments. We’re just calling the author out on his uneducated comment.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree but his assertion of being the better program.....

while “our team has floundered” is a bit of a stretch don’t you think? And to say the least to say that you have had the superior team other than last year is more than just a little bit argumentative and questionable. And we should have played for the NC in 2004 and didn’t blow it…..we got screwed out of it. And should that read “the only QB in WVU history” or is that for all of the NCAA……either way thats impressive.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Pat White is the only QB in NCAA DI history to win 4 bowl games.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that AU won more games.....

from 2003 through 2007 than anyone except USC…..also a five year stretch that is by the way using 4 of the five years you’re touting dominance in. We admit it we sucked last season but we sucked because of a meltdown that began with the previous coaching staff not because we lacked talent. Hell we were preseason favorites to win the SEC west because of our talent level. You need to do a little research before you flame and show your ignorance.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of the Reason

You guys sucked last year. That was a medicre WV team that whooped up on you last year. Looks like you’re making your way back.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to see how WVU and many other teams for that matter.....

would do if they played 8 SEC teams each season in stead of the Big East schedule.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll never know

But WV has done pretty good against the SEC of late. I’m sure they would have done better than Auburn did last year.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most likely they would have but I wouldn't bet on it......

the SEC was particularly tough last year even Vandy managed to go bowling. The attrition resulting from playing that kind of schedule can kill expectations and ruin seasons……beating a good team one week but losing to an inferior team the next week because of injuries. But it makes for exciting football.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bias exposed

I used to go to WVU games a lot and roamed around various areas, not just student section. Definitely a lot of drinking going on, so I don’t doubt a lot of idiocy ensues. But worst in the nation? It did not seem that nasty to me. As for making general conclusions based on eyewitness stories, consider they not only may be not representative, they might be downright wrong. One guy above said the following:
“Say what you want about the South…
I used to think that our every-other-year trips to Arkansas were taking us out of civilization. That is, until my brother and I took the trip to morgantown last year. That place is on the back side of nowhere. All the buildings in town look run down, and you just got the feeling that you were in BFE. You just don’t get that feeling anywhere in the SEC, not even Starkville or Fayetteville.”

I KNOW that is not true. Morgantown has been gentrifying for years and has suffered if anything from too much growth, not decay. I’ve lived a lot of places and Morgantown is one of my favorite large towns/small cities. Don’t believe me? See what the Wall Street Journal has to say, and NBC news:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123783142333116161.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#29744203

So if this guy’s bias clouds his judgment on describing Morgantown’s bricks and mortar and general appearance, I don’t think I’ll put too much stock in his opinions on WVU fans.

by WVUguyINnyc on Sep 18, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I will agree with you on Morgantown.....

I like the area and the campus although its definately different than an SEC campus.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

well....

Metaphorically speaking…..west va is the asshole of the US

by ArieGold on Sep 18, 2009 1:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Nah.....

I’ve been to many worse places…..New Jersey, Boston, Detroit Michgan, Indianapolis, western Pennsylvania, St. Louis (becareful about exiting the interstate in the wrong place), Missouri in general for that matter (based souly on many of the people I met there), South Florida, NYC (before 911 havent been there since…..some the people are nicer than they used to be), Los Angeles and surrounding area, Oakland……all of these places are worse in my opinion.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shape of the State

Ever notice the shape of WV? What does it resemble? It resembles a hand with the middle finger pointing up. Take notice…we dont give a sh*t what you think. ;-)

And I would LOVE for WVU to go through an SEC schedule and embarrass your conference just like we embarassed the ALMIGHT Georgia in 2005 and Oklahoma in 2007. You all think your teams are so high and mighty until the Old Gold and Blue comes to town.

Good luck this weekend…you’ll need it.

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

WVU wouldn't survive playing 8 games that physical in a season......

you play a couple of decent conference games a year and one or two good opponents OOC…..Great Teams (the last undefeated NC from the SEC was UT) have a hard time going undefeated in the SEC and thats a fact not opinion. When was the last NC from the Big East? Miami? Didn’t they go to the ACC? Better to ask when was the last NC from a current member of the Big Least? Pitt way back in the seventy’s? How many NC’s has the SEC accounted for since the 1999 the BCS era? 5 out of 11? Stop being jealous of the SEC and urge the Big Least to do something other than play basketball.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

You have a Big Least team staring you in the face with a 5 game winning streak over the SEC. You haven’t even faced an SEC team yet, so that excuse is out the window. Let’s see what you’re made of.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last time I checked MSU is an SEC team......

although we came out for the most part unscathed, only losing one backup DB and our starting LB. And I am so ready for the game I can’t stand it……we’ll see soon though. Good Luck.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops starting TE not LB.....

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, gotta love that Auburn class. We WVU fans can learn a lot from you. Thanks!

“Here’s an idea
Instead of talking about how you’re being portrayed unfairly, why don’t you guys come out tomorrow and carry yourselves in an orderly manner that remarks class and kindness. Then, when a Mountaineer fan starts acting ridiculously, why don’t you help keep them in line along with the Auburn family. That’s what we do here. If you wanted to change the perception, then come out and give us reasons why our bias is incorrect.
by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 8:57 AM PDT”

" well….
Metaphorically speaking…..west va is the asshole of the US
by ArieGold on Sep 18, 2009 11:23 AM PDT"

“ALL I hear is about your offense…
You guys don’t say a whole lot positive in the way of your defense. I’m telling you, the defenses will be the story tomorrow with everyone thinking the offenses are just going to go nuts.
by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 12:05 PM PDT”

Hey, Sparkey, is this what you call Auburn hospitality and class, and keeping your fellow Auburners in line, like you advise the WVU bumkins to do? Apparently you don’t think Mr. Gold’s comment is unworthy of the Auburn community…

by WVUguyINnyc on Sep 18, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lame...

I said you don’t say much about your offense, how is that me being an ass…Arie Gold seems more who you want to go after-and, you’re pretty lame.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

correction

You don’t say much about your defense. Sorry, my mistake.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

ALL I hear is about your offense...

You guys don’t say a whole lot positive in the way of your defense. I’m telling you, the defenses will be the story tomorrow with everyone thinking the offenses are just going to go nuts.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Defense

Relax, guy. Our defense is stellar. If you did any research about WVU football, you would already know that. By the end of the game you’re going to know the names BRANDON HOGAN and REED WILLIAMS by heart.

And the entire nation is going to be talking about Big Sexy JARRETT BROWN. Wait and see.

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big Sexy Jarrett Brown?

What is he your cousin or something? LOL …..just kidding couldn’t help it…it was too easy.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Noel Divine

I hear about him constantly. And, how much research do you do on Auburn football? Now, you’re probably going to go look up AU players or maybe not. Either way, at best you’re being hypocritical.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noel DEvine

No, we cant forget about Devine. He’s great.
Honestly, I did minimal research this week. But from what I’ve read, Auburn better be taken seriously. You all have been racking up some points and yardage on offense and your defense looks solid. But what does that mean against two very weak opponents? I’m not sure. Some can argue the same about WV…Liberty is no huge threat, although they did win 10 or 11 games last year. ECU is a solid team with a good coach in Skip Holtz. But none of that really matters. What matters is what happens tomorrow night.

Honestly, I’ve been really looking forward to this game. Going down to the SEC to play a good team is always fun to watch on a Saturday night. The bigger the stage, the better we do.

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

La Tech and ECU.....

are about on par with each other……that would be wash, MSU is much better than Liberty…..just sayin.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

Why don’t I mention a few players that may stick out in your mind after tomorrow night. And, the stage isn’t all that big really. Auburn is still picked to be the bottom cellar of the SEC West and the Tigers aren’t ranked. If Auburn continues to do well this year, then this game will be looked at as bigger than what people realized.
I imagine you guys are going to know who Ben Tate is after tomorrow. The guy runs like a freight train and he just wears you down. Onterio McCaleb is our version of Noel Devine, and he’s a threat every time he touches the ball. Terrell Zachory is also under the radar along with Darvin Adams but those guys are really solid. On the defense, you’ll be hearing about Antonio Coleman, Nick Fairly, Walt McFadden, and El-Torro Freeman. Clinton Durst and Wes Byrum will also be factors for the Tigers in the kicking game. I just figured I would give you a few names this time.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could

Be a shootout and a very entertaining game.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 18, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bloggers make the world go 'round.

“This comes from a group of fans whose team has really never made a blip on the college football map.”

“Outside of being Notre Dame’s bowl victim during the Irish’s run to the 1989 national championship, West Virginia has accomplished little on the field.”

Oh really? West Virginia has never made a blip on the college football map? Two BCS wins in the last four seasons against Oklahoma and your SEC brethren, Georgia. Regardless, WVU could never compare to mighty Auburn, after all the Tigers are the 13th winningest program in college football history. Oh wait, what’s that? West Virginia is 15th on that same list.
I understand you’re a blogger and you like to stir it up and then see how many people you can get commenting on your article but at least do a minimal amount of research beforehand.

by Hammond Egger on Sep 18, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Does the Klan still sponsor...

Auburn’s pre and post game Lynch Parties? Mountaineer fans watch you step in Tiger country, this is the deep south!

by Jim Crow on Sep 18, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow.....

now you want to talk about something extremely outdated….there it is folks. The KKK? Really? I thought they all moved to Illinois and became Nazi’s….although some do run for public office in WV and win….can you say Senator Robert Byrd of WV?

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Inbred KKK

KKK is about as outdated as the inbreeding jokes in WV.

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed......

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome to Auburn ... Mutha F@#ka

That is something you won’t hear on our campus. But it seems to be the official slogan in Morgantown. See they even have t-shirts with their friendly and welcoming motto.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Welcome-to-West-Virginia-mutha-F-K-T-Shirt-dub-vee-3XL_W0QQitemZ280383539611QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_CSA_MC_Shirts?hash=item414829499b&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

We don’t “heckle” opposing fans here. We welcome them, hope they have a good time before the game, and hopefully send them home safe and sound with a loss.

So enjoy some real southern hospitality and take your tail whipping with some class.

by BigSwampTiger on Sep 18, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Saints

You folks down in Auburn sound like real Saints! I bet you bake homemade cookies and hand them out to all your guests too? You must wear t-shirts that say “Welcome, Visitors, and God Bless you! Non-Violent War Eagle!”

Give me a break, big swamp tiger. Welcome to Morgantown Mutha F@cka is not the “official” slogan in Morgantown. I’ve been to games there and never once saw that shirt. There are all kinds of shirts made by all kinds of people.

When we come down to Auburn, better lock up your daughters and wives. The devil-worshipping, skoal spittin’, inbred, cold killaz, motha f@ckas from West “By God” Virginia are coming!! AND WE’RE NOT LEAVING TIL WE GET A VICTORY ON THE BALLFIELD AND BURN DOWN YOUR ENTIRE MOTHER LOVING TOWN!!! LOL

seriously…check your head. lol

by WVPunk on Sep 18, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about cookies.....

although I’m sure some kindly old granny might have some, but there is always a cold beer and BBQ for a neighbor no matter how many states away he or she might be. War Eagle and good luck.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love

how some WVU fans accuse Auburn of having a ‘little-man’ syndrome? Against who? You? Hardly. Your program doesn’t come close to ours. Even though you have only 15 less wins than us all-time (688 v. 673) they came against vastly inferior opponents than ours did. We play in the vaunted SEC, and as a result, enjoy the 4th toughest Strength of Schedule rating in history, while West Virginia is ranked 74th, the result of being an independent for decades and playing nobodies.

Your two BCS bowl victories are the product of being the smartest kid on the short bus of BCS conferences, the Big Eas(y)t, so I wouldn’t crow too loudly, thinking that compares to BCS bowl games earned in a real conference. WVU emerges onto the national scene once about every 20 years, is good for a year or three, then descends back into oblivion until the next awakening.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Sep 18, 2009 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Now there's the old WEA......

thats much more like it……almost like the old AOL days.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Typical idiocy

Winning the Big East only gets you into a BCS bowl. You actually have to beat your opponent to get the W.
And the one thing you overlook in your post is the fact that we actually played you last year and beat the tar out of you.

by Hammond Egger on Sep 18, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually.....

the Strength of Schedule stuff is very relevant……if you’re not physically pounded on in the regular season you have a distinct advantage when its Bowl season….for example the USC trojans typical conference schedule (trying not to hammer anymore the Big East any more than I have to). And yes you did blow us out last year but this year will be different.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Egger

Everybody beat us last year. We were terrible. I wouldn’t hang your hat on that.

by Sparkey on Sep 18, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

that was certainly an interesting post and that was the most responses I have ever seen. I can only say that I have never seen any Auburn fans acting rudely towards a visiting tesms fans and hope I never do. I am 54 years old but as I have grwon older I have come to dispise rude people. Last year, I actually chased a punk, that had a Penn St. shirt on, out of the stadium after the game was over. I would do the same to an Auburn fan.

by James4au on Sep 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

these guys are worse than bammers

by KungFuPanda9 on Sep 18, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

No Bammers know about the hospitality......

but insist on being dicks anyway. The WVU faithful have a hard time understanding what they have never seen.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I posted my experiences in Mo'town...

somewhere way up above. It’s true and factual. I just don’t understand the ’Eer mentality, but I am glad to be an Auburn Tiger!
Have a fun game day!

by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, Todd

I know you are going out of your way to be polite and show the better side. But after a while…

These guys are just goading you.

Turn the other cheek. Okay. But two cheeks down, and it’s one fist up. Onward Christian Soldiers.

by KungFuPanda9 on Sep 18, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I think they will be fine once they see what hospitality is all about......

but those that insist on finding trouble always succeed. Plus I am agnostic…..lol.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Sep 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow! Where do I begin??

‘“We took a bus to the stadium,” said one fan. "When we arrived, the driver told us to walk this way, pointing his finger around the stadium. You don’t want to go that way, they’ll fight you," the driver continued. “And whatever you do, don’t walk alone.”’

Amazing in 20 years of attending WVU games, I’ve never seen a single fan assaulted, nor assaulted one myself. Sounds like the bus driver wanted to make sure these people went home believing they’d had an adventure. Silly.

“If you suddenly conjure up thoughts of Deliverance, you are not alone.”

In reality, Deliverance took place closer to you than us. Dumb thing to say.

“Outside of being Notre Dame’s bowl victim during the Irish’s run to the 1989 national championship, West Virginia has accomplished little on the field. Yet a sizable portion of its fans feel the need to make up for it in the stands – something of a little man syndrome.”

Except making the SEC its whipping boy for the past decade or so. Oh yeah, and playing in two BCS bowls in the past five years. Look it up.

“In the movie about 1961 Heisman Trophy winner Ernie Davis, the Mountaineer fans are depicted as hardcore racists who scream and throw bottles at the Syracuse great. Unfortunately for the school, there’s no shred of evidence it ever happened. It was all the work of Hollywood, trying to supposedly capture the essence of what fans felt during that time. It’s a reputation they may never live down and that’s unfortunate.”

So, you just provided an example of how people lie about Mountaineer fans as proof you are telling the truth? Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

“Rather than retaliate, let’s show them some Southern hospitality – apparently they need it.”

I’ve lived in WV all my life and there aren’t nicer people anywhere in the world. A couple fans’ experiences at games, rehashed and blown out of proportion over the years, don’t justify your bashing. Grow up.

by ChrisL on Sep 19, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Congratulations Auburn

I can’t honestly say the best team won, but Auburn played almost mistake free ball and made WV pay for their turnovers. That’s a pretty good formula for success.

by CivilMountaineer on Sep 21, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

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