An Early Discussion of the Big Question.
by Todd92 on Jan 2, 2010 2:28 PM CST
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With the commitment of Cam Newton it has made this coming spring almost as must see as last years. The QB situation got incredibly juicy rather suddenly and unexpectedly and I for one can't wait to see how it plays out. I am one of the few that has thought that we had more talent at QB than most gave us credit for and that while Chris Todd was for the most part a very pleasant surprise the fact that it took so long to name a starting QB this past season was due to the possibilities rather than the lack of them. And I believe the 2010 season is going to be even more intriguing for the QB competion and........
Look for this to pay dividends not only next year but for several years to come. We have several talented QB's that will vie for the starting job and the competition for that starting job just got tougher. And tougher competition elevates them all to new heights......I now look for the starter next season to come from one of the following (with odds of being the man in parenthesis):
1.) Newton (5:1)
1.) Rollison (5:1)
2.) Trotter (10:1)
3.) Burns (15:1)
4.) Caudle (20:1)
5.) Moseley (25:1)
I don't believe that there is a lock for the job and I think that they all stand a chance with Malzahn. I won't be shocked to see Burns have a resurrection at the QB position because of his ability and the coaching that the QB's are now recieving. I have Caudle so low because I believe he got the backup slot this season as window dressing and reward for being patient for the most part and he is still extremely fragile looking on the field (genetics must keep him from beefing up, much like UGA's Cox). Don't ask me why I think Trotter is a notch ahead of Burns because it's more gut reaction than anything else. Moseley may be the sleeper of the bunch and I believe if I have undervalued any particular player it is him......it will be interesting to see how he does in spring ball working with the 1's.
Happy New Year, War Damn Eagle and let the debate begin.
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Newton Starts
I would put the odds at 2 to 1 to make room for a potential injury.
See below this guy is a horse. He has two years JUCO experience and fits Gus’s mold perfectly.
At 6-6, 245, Newton claims a 4.53-second 40-yard dash, a 365-pound bench press, a 455-pound squat, a 4.41-second 20-yard shuttle and a 38-inch vertical leap.
I am personally concerned Rollison will transfer. Nice Post it makes for an interesting debate with all the talent we have at the position.
You are correct about Newton being a horse.....
but he has 1 year of JUCO and two years at UF (one of them a redshirt season). He is equal with Rollison because I think that Rollison has been hand fed all season long by Malzahn with the intent of pushing the competition in the spring…..his knowledge of the system and equally impressive skills combined with Malzahns tutelage makes him equal with Newton in my book.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Rollison....
What’s his deal, isn’t he suspended or something?
Disagree
Burns will not be our QB again. He probably won’t run the Wildcat too often either, if we’ve got Newton available. I also disagree with your assertion that “the fact that it took so long to name a starting QB this past season was due to the possibilities rather than the lack of them.”
Caudle could hardly beat out Kodi, and Todd needed only nine practices to put himself ahead of Neil. Here’s my take:
Newton 75%
Caudle 15%
Rollison 7%
Moseley 3%
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
yep
That looks for the most part right, trotter should replace Moseley for 3%
I thought I'd read that the coaches were really impressed with Moseley
That’s why I threw him a bone
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
I agree
Burns has had his chances, and he always blows them, aka yesterday, 3 passes, 2 ints. Newton all the way, and caudle hasnt done anything in 3 years. Besides, I want a 5 star in at qb, given two years to learn the playbook. Hopefully Malzhan will stick around for a year or 4
I'm cool with disagreeing about it.....
I stand by my statements though.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I agrree with JD
Cam wouldn’t have come to AU if he didn’t think he was a lock for a starter spot. The coaches must know that Rollison either isn’t the guy, or is another Perrilloux. Burns is done at QB. Caudle is a lost cause. Moseley is too young. Trotter is the wild card.
I have a hard time seeing Chizik and Malzahn.....
not keeping the QB competition open until someone wins it…..with that said I agree that Newton seems to be the top competitor along with Rollison. I don’t think that the coaches have made anysuch statement about Rollison being another Perrilloux in anyway and that includes the signing of Newton. Rollison can still come in and be the QB we all expected him to be even if Newton does win the job…..the dude is just going to be a redshirt freshman. As far as Burns goes time will tell. I do agree with you on Caudle, Moseley, and Trotter (the only reason I had Moseley so low was his lack of bulk on his frame and his youth being the only factor that kept Caudle ahead of him). As for Newtons reasoning for coming to AU I think he does think he is a lock but I doubt that he was told he was a lock. You have to think that Newton is beaming with confidence knowing that he was the 5 star highschool prospect that was the heir apparent to Tebow before he ran into the travails of a youthful mistake (I hope) and in his one season of JUCO he managed to have such a stellar year……so yeah I am sure that Newton thinks he is a lock and I am sure that the coaches hope so. And as I have stated….if nothing else he will elevate the play of the other competitors win or lose.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Rollison says...
that he will be playing in August at Auburn.
by tigergirlingeorgia on Jan 2, 2010 3:38 PM CST reply actions
Cam Newton has one thing...
……none of the others do: playing time in the SEC. Unless he’s a head case, or innacurate, he starts. The question on Rollinson is whether he will be with the team come August, or not. I don’t see Kodi competing, except at WR. He better work with the weights and the jugs machine. Kodi had two passes in the Outback ball, and threw up two underthrown wobblers that were picked off.
You need to watch the replay on the first INT......
that Kodi threw. The ball was thrown on a rope and on the money but the safety made a great play to intercept the ball…..had he not made the break on the ball it was an in stride TD. If you watch that play again and see a “wobbler” then I’m gonna have to check your bi-focals. The other pass was not pretty for sure but the reciever didn’t do any favors by not challenging for the ball. As for everyone who discounts Kodi…..I’m sure alot of you were the same people who discounted Jason Campbell after his junior season and stability of the offense along with quality coaching can do wonders as you all should remember. Once again I am not rooting for one candidate over the other but am merely looking at the possibilities.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
The throws were accurate
The decisions were terrible
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
The half back pass or whatever that you would call it.....
was not a decision as there was no read to make. It was catch the ball and heave it to a spot and the pass was dead on….the Northwestern Safety did a good job of staying in center field and waiting rather than move toward the line and play the run…..like I said he made a great play and break on the ball when it was thrown coming from the middle of the field. But the pass was good.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Also
Jason Campbell at least showed some signs of decent quarterback play and accuracy. Kodi Burns is just not meant to be a quarterback in the SEC.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
I remember well all of the comments about Campbell.....
such as he’s not smart enough, he can’t go through his progressions and locks onto one reciever, can’t learn the play book, holds onto the ball too long, etc……. All I am saying is he has a chance and near as good a chance or better than most other than Rollison and Newton. As far as what he has shown so far we really haven’t seen what he is capable of in a good situation and I won’t count him out because of his character and the coaching that is available to him.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I wish kodi had been moved to … d back earlier. He is so athletic, I think he may have possibly made All SEC. In addition I think it would hsve improved his chances in the NFL. I know he was the qb heir apparent (and he might not have moved) but just saying it could have been good for us and better for his future.
aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Safety maybe....
but you typically want your corners to be some of the fastest players on the team. I wish that his redshirt had not been burned and he had the benefit of being under Borges another year before being thrown to the wolves. But then again had that happened Tuberville would probably still be the coach and we would be in a different reality at the moment and not be having this discussion (cue Scifi theme music now).
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I'm with you on that...
I will always wonder what might have been had Kodi received the tuteledge Borges was able to work with Jason Campbell.
aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Just kidding about the bi-focals.......
heheheh.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Valid complaint.
……Damned things are the bane of my existence! I’m constantly tilting my head, and I still can see worth $*))!
I wear em also.....
the lineless lenses help hide the irritation.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
i agree mostly...
i don’t believe it will be a race. Newton would start next year for Florida with Tebow leaving, so i’m convinced he will be good enough for us. but this would be my order:
Newton
Rollison
Caudle
Moseley
Trotter
i don’t include Burns because Kodi has shown us for 3 straight years now that he has NEVER had what it takes to be a qb in the SEC. this year he was 5 for 15. just look at the bowl game yesterday. i’ll give him that the first interception was a great defensive play, but he still needed to put more air under that ball to keep it away from defenders and in the endzone. the second interception was a terrible read, or lack thereof. are those plays simply designed to only go to one person?
i really like Kodi as a person, and admire his character, his athleticism, and his willingness to take on a new role in the offense. but he just can’t be a quarterback. he’s made some nice catches this year though.
tigergirlingeorgia – i like that Rollison said he won’t transfer. where did you find that nice tidbit?
I have heard that Rollison will be with the team in the spring......
provided that he does what has been asked of him.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
The South Carolina Gamecocks.......
should change their name to the laying hens. God what a pitiful performance and an embarrassment to the SEC.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
The numbers don't
make sense for Newton NOT to be the starter next season. Why would you sign a guy like him if he’s not on the field? He has two years…..he will be the starter with Rollison his under study. After he leaves we have Rollison as a 2 year starter. You don’t sign a guy like Newton to ride the pine…..and if he didn’t start this year next year would be out of the question. Why go through another year with a guy that you would have under center for 1 year? Doesn’t make sense. Same for Caudle….he won’t start. Another guy with only one year to play….logistically doesn’t make sense. You would be starting with 3 different QB’s in 3 years so Caudle is out next year. Burns? God I love him , but he won’t be in competition for the job….why revisit what you have already eliminated? Mosley? I think he will always be #3. Trotter? I Like him but he will end up transferring More than likely to free up a scholly. The coach’s will have to make a hard decision with him.
I've seen good TEAMS beat teams with great individuals.
The assumption you make is that Burns was eliminated......
I hardly agree with this assumption as Burns continued to work with the QB’s for the remainder of the season even after being moved (voluntarily) to WR. Burns desire for playing time and contributing to the team were admirable traits that we have all admired for sure but I don’t think he or the coaches have given up on him as a QB…thats just my belief no hard evidence only the circumstancial of him still getting coached by Malzahn. Part of my belief is that Caudle was named the second string because Burns didn’t want to sit and do nothing as a backup. I believe that had Todd gone down for an extended period Burns would have been readied as fast as possible to take over for Caudle meaning that Caudle may have finished the game and even played in a subsequent game depending on Burns readiness. Caudle has been buried on the depth chart his entire AU career due to injury and subpar performance and I find it doubtful that he was able to beat out Burns for the spot (at least not decisively). Again I am not rooting for anyone player to get the job….I just want the best one to rise to the top. As to why AU would sign Cam Newton? The guy is a stud athelete and has loads of potential and even if he doesn’t win the job he will elevate the competition. With that being said the bevy of potential candidates is what makes this coming spring a “must see”.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Thank God for Ole Miss.
……Never thought I’d say that! Ole Miss and Bama are the SECs hope for a 5-5 record in bowl, this season. Carolina looked worse than Vandy in their Pizza Bowl fiasco.
Posing a question
Let’s just say Newton wins the starting job. With his running ability (check out all the hilight fils on Youtube), have we seen the end of Burns in the “Wildcat” role? I’m getting excited about having a good runner/passer in on every down. You could just about call every play a “wildcat” play with this type of tallent.
Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"
by SandMountainTiger on Jan 4, 2010 11:04 AM CST reply actions
It's hard to assess future possibilities ...
… without looking at the facts of recent history.
Here’s a fact: AU’s previous coaching staff had over 5 years to recruit and prepare a QB to take over the position when Brandon Cox went down to injury or ran out of eligibility — and it is undeniable that they failed to do so.
The way the last 2 years played out, Auburn was indeed fortunate that Coach Tuberville hired Coach Franklin — regardless of the reason he did so. Without Todd coming with Franklin to be in AU’s QB mix, Auburn would have been fielding the least-capable bunch of QBs in the SEC … and, if you add a defense that has the most depleted depth-chart at Auburn in modern history … it would have been the worst 2 years of Auburn football ever.
Bottom line: If these recently signed QBs recruited by the new AU staff struggle to beat-out the Tuberville hold-overs in the Spring … then, strap-in boys because it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
Again....
we disagree. But that’s no shock. Tuberville did recruit Burns and whether or not he finishes his career at AU as a QB bust is arbitrary to his recruitment…….he was in fact a blue chip prospect at QB. Therefore, Tuberville did recruit a QB to develop to take over after Cox. I do agree that he was not prepared properly however and that I blame on Tuberville for burning his redshirt (still can’t believe he gave into the fan pressure to do it) and Borges and Ensminger collectively for not coaching him up and lastly the situation that it place Burns in (not to mention that alot of the QB woes we have seen have also been greatly magnified by a less than polished reciever corps). Again I don’t think we are as bad off at QB as you do and time will tell who is correct. I have trust in Gus Malzahn and his offense and QB coaching as well as Trooper Taylors ability to coach up the recieving corps to a more than respectable unit.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
You’re not disagreeing with me …
… you’re just setting up a "Straw Man Argument" and then knocking it down. You know, that old rhetorical tactic of creating the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
I believe, in linguistics, it’s called "an informal fallacy."
No.....
your assertion that Tuberville didn’t recruit to replace Cox is what I have said that I disagree with. I don’t think that the current depth issues or QB situation is as much Tubervilles fault as you are insinuating…..that would not be a “straw man argument” but rather a true difference of opinion…..but regardless I am not wanting to argue symantics with you or anyone else for that matter. I think that Tuberville has been villainized a little to much by everyone and it’s more than a little stale. The thing is that Tuberville didn’t think that 2008 would happen and he certainly didn’t have a contingency for it if it did……and that ended up costing Burns in the long run. We have seen Kodi’s potential disregarded and written off by the vast majority of the AU family as a result, much the same way that Todd was after last season, and I am merely allowing for the possibility that Burn’s may rise from the ashes as well (and I find it amusing that so many refuse to see the possibility). I personally think that with the potential that Burn’s possesses, as well as the character and leadership he has displayed, he has a much better chance than most give him.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Speaking of assertions ...
I’m afraid I didn’t assert that: “Tuberville didn’t recruit to replace Cox”
Here’s what I said:
" AU’s previous coaching staff had over 5 years to recruit and prepare a QB to take over the position when Brandon Cox went down to injury or ran out of eligibility — and it is undeniable that they failed to do so."
Let me give you the definition of the verb “to take over” in this sports context.
The verb means means ‘to get into one’s possession by skill’. to further elaborate, in the sports context, the verb means ‘to acquire in a competition; win.’
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I offered no opinion about what the previous AU coaching staff tried to do, or attempted to do, or wanted to do to back-fill the QB position, or any other position on the depth chart for that matter, in the last 5 years. I offered a statement of what actually happened … you know, the historical facts.
Here’s what happened: A one-armed QB ‘beat-out’ every QB that the Tuberville staff had recruited … and this one-armed QB “took over” (i.e. won) the #1 QB job vacated by Brandon Cox.
Then, in 2009 this patched-up QB came into Fall practice and “took over” the #1 QB job again in competition against every QB that the Tuberville staff had recruited — this time in about a week and a half — and this time with a new coaching staff.
Again, it’s my opinion that the way the last 2 years played out, Auburn was indeed fortunate that Coach Tuberville hired Coach Franklin — regardless of the reason he did so. Without Todd coming with Franklin to be in AU’s QB mix, Auburn would have been fielding the least-capable bunch of QBs in the SEC. (in 2008)
You must be either an english major or a lawyer......
or both. I contend that Tuberville did recruit a QB to replace Cox and that yes he did fail to get him ready in time…..but that is part of the circumstance of his demise which resulted from the Tony Franklin fiasco (which is something neither you or anyone else saw coming until it was too late). I personally maintain that had the team not been divided last season or had Franklin been able to coach up a player rather than take a player who he didn’t have to coach then both Kodi and AU would be in a much different place right now. One could also make the argument that the burning of Kodi’s redshirt for the MSU game and the arrival of Chris Todd and Tony Franklin had a detrimental effect to Kodi’s development and it would be hard to refute, but that would be as speculative as any other assertion that has been made. You have nothing other than your own speculation of what would have transpired had Chris Todd not come to the plains……..you can not prove it just as I can’t disprove it. We have nothing but speculation as to what would have become of Kodi had he been given the reins from the start this season or last season for that matter……it is easy to sit around and give the doomsday prophesy that would have taken place, but the reality is there is no way to know. Rhetoric is always cheap and its always easy to pile on after someone loses. If Kodi is allowed to compete in the spring for the QB position that will say alot about what Malzahn thinks of his ability…..otherwise he will be relegated back to Trooper fulltime or transfer with 2 to play 1 at a D1 school or immediately at a smaller school. This is my opinion. Your insistance on spewing definitions to a well educated grown man is more than a little obnoxious and arrogant.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Sometimes I have observed that the last refuge ...
… of a person — who sees the “argument” that he has started slipping away from him — is to go to the name-calling.
I fail to see where I called you a name.....
and I feel that I made my point without being condescending or hateful. I guessed that you might be either an english major or a lawyer because of your insistance of arguing over symantics and then I observed that you were “being” obnoxious and arrogant with your definitions and at the risk of sounding like you please note those would be neither person place or things in the context that I used them but rather actions which would make them adverbs to the verb “is”.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
this aint my argument, but...
posting the definition of ‘to take over’ in the sports context sounds totally obnoxious and arrogant. That isn’t name calling, it just “is”
Thank You, you too, and War Damn Eagle
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I don’t see how burning Kodi’s redshirt ruined him as a quarterback. The kid can’t throw a controlled pass. He is in college. Therefore, all during his peewee, middle school, and high school careers he had the same crappy mechanics.
I have said previously, the throwing motion comes almost naturally to 90% of football players. Seriously. Little kids in the neighborhood throw a better looking spiral than Kodi with absolutely no coaching whatsoever.
Kodi is a terrific young man with great heart. He has a lot of football skills. But passing is not one of them.
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