Off Week Tidbits.
Powerful line play is how a team consistently rushes for 300 yards.
War Eagle, everybody! While Auburn fans take a week off from Tiger football, rest assured that Iron Bowl preparations are already under way for the SEC Western Division Champions. The Tigers hope to keep on doing what they do, which is to bulldoze opposing defenses to rubble, while making enough plays on defense to allow the offense to pull ahead. It's a strategy that has produced eleven wins, against no losses. Auburn has never lost after starting a season 11-0!
It's been very interesting reading what writers have to say about Auburn this season. "Surprise" is one of the words most often bandied about. The surprise isn't that Auburn's playing well as a team. That much was expected, and most pundits did put Auburn in the top half of a very tough SEC Western Division. What's been unexpected is the emergence of two really special players: Cam Newton and Nick Fairley. How does one go from good to great in football? Add a few great players.
Right now, Nick Fairley is getting more ink for allegedly being a "dirty" player than for his accomplishments. Overlooked in the controversy is the fact that Nick Fairley is major force in the middle of the Auburn defense. Fairley leads the SEC in tackles for loss with 15. He's second in sacks with 9. Doing this from the middle of the line is difficult. Most of the time those leaders are ends, or even linebackers.
Much has been made over the violence with which Fairley makes tackles on the quarterback. You have to consider, though, that the quarterback is often one of the strongest, most athletic members of any team. It's especially true in this day and age of mobile quarterbacks and zone-read offenses. How often have we seen the quarterback avoid tacklers in the backfield and make big plays? How often have we seen arm tackles shaken off, or a lineman with a dead-to-rights tackle come up empty? The SEC is full of powerful, elusive quarterbacks. You've got Vandy's Larry Smith, Randall Cobb at Kentucky, Stephen Garcia at South Carolina, Aaron Murray at Georgia, Trey Burton at Florida, Jordan Jefferson at LSU, Chris Relf at Mississippi State, and Jeremiah Masoli at Ole Miss. All of these guys make people miss. They all shake off tackles and make big plays. A lot of defensive players have been embarrassed by SEC quarterbacks this season. You don't get sacks with "pretty please" and love taps in this league!
What Nick Fairley tries to do is get the quarterback off their feet when he gets there. If the guy's feet aren't on the ground, he's not going to be running away! I think it's also important to note that in just about every case of the "Nick Fairley suplex," the QB is trying to spin away after contact. You're not going to be able to arm-tackle many SEC quarterbacks. You've got to wrap up and muscle them off their feet. Nick Fairley actually gets this, like few other defenders. When a 300 pound man gets to an SEC quarterback, a big collision is going to happen. You're not going to get a guy like Ryan Mallett or Jeremiah Masoli down without some serious momentum. Until the NCAA adopts an NFL-like "in the grasp" rule, Fairley's method is going to be one of the most effective ways to deal with big mobile quarterbacks.
Being slammed down and hit hard by a 300 pound tackle does take a toll. Few of the quarterbacks who have played against Auburn have been effective in the 4th quarter. The most notable exception was Jeremiah Masoli, and Ole Miss took pains not to have him sit in the pocket looking downfield very much. Looking at just point totals, offensive production against goes down every quarter against the Auburn defense. The Tigers have given up 89 points in the first quarter, 74 in the second, 66 in the third, and only 45 points in the 4th quarter. Whether the opponent fan bases like it or not, Auburn's strategy of wearing down the opponent's backfield has been effective. There was an interesting analysis of Fairley's play in yesterday's Birmingham News.
Speaking of hitting the quarterback, I'm sure this off week is much appreciated by Cam Newton. If you think the five or six times a game Fairley hits the quarterback is bad, consider this. Cam Newton has carried the ball 206 times this season. That's an average of more than 19 per game. There are also hits on Cam after the throw, or the option pitch. I'm really amazed at how well he's held up! One other bit of interest is that none of Auburn's regular rushers has been held below six yards per carry on the season. Newton averages 6.3, Dyer 6.3, and Fannin 6.7. With mostly carries to the outside, Onterio McCalebb is averaging 8.8, and Terrell Zachary 8.1! This team can tote the rock!
Cam Newton is on the verge of breaking more records single season records in the Iron Bowl. He's currently tied with Bo Jackson with 17 rushing touchdowns. He trails the all time touchdown pass record of 22 set last year by Chris Todd by only one. Newton's 39 total touchdowns responsible for is already far and away the Auburn record. A couple of other Tigers are threatening to crack one thousand yards, with three games remaining. Demond Washington has 918 kick return yards this season, and that's already a single season record. Michael Dyer has 859 rushing yards, which is an Auburn freshman rushing record.
For all practical purposes, Iron Bowl week starts today! We'll watch the Tide scrimmage with Georgia State tonight, although we'll likely learn little from that game. I expect this year's Iron Bowl in Tuscaloosa to be tough. There's no chance that Bama overlooks us this year. After last season, and the BCS bulls-eye the Tigers are wearing, there's little doubt we'll get the Crimson Tide's best effort. War Eagle! Let's get fired up! Beat Bama!
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Yeah, clearly Mr. Jefferson is trying to "spin out" of this tackle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYbT58VVmeI
He clearly plants his feet, lifts with his legs, and plants him into the ground. I understand he’s a great DT and he plays with his hair on fire, as he should. I also understand that you are looking at this through orange and blue tinted glasses, but seriously man, there’s really no other way you can explain hits like these except by saying that he is intentionally out there trying to hurt people.
If you are McElroy, how nervous are you right now???
Excellent explanation of Fairley-play, Acid!!!
War Eagle! Beat Bama!
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 18, 2010 8:28 AM CST reply actions
I highly doubt....
Alabama’s offensive line won’t put up with that style of play. I hope McElroy has a career game.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 18, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
Your assumption is that Alabama's offensive line is stronger than Auburn's defensive line.
That’s a big assumption. No doubt playing Bama will be tough, and they are a formidable team that deserves respect, but I don’t think that they will have answers for Fairley, Newton, Dyer, OMac, Zachary, etc., etc. etc.
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 18, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
They shouldn't have to have an answer to Fairley...
as he should not be playing. No doubt Auburn has a great line, that is why I find it even more distasteful that Fairley is allowed to play the way he does, it’s unessessary.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 18, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Neither of us said he would be playing on any forthcoming Saturday.
You’re not being clever.
Husker never said Fairley would be playing on a saturday
I’m sure he knows, as I do, that the Iron Bowl is being played on a Friday. I repeat, you’re not being clever.
Dude, your a moron.
You never post anything that isn’t defensive. Typical barner truly representing your loser of a school.
No, you're the moron
You haven’t been on here more than a day and you think you are qualified to state how I post? You would think I’m an Alabama fan by the way I post on here sometimes. Believe me, I often get hell from the Auburn people here. You however, are a troll and you should troll on sir. You’re damn right I come out swinging with a whole bunch of jerks who never get on here and then get on here one time to troll.
See my previous post.
Again, you continue to prove what I stated was, indeed, a fact. You are not capable of having a two sided conversation. You remind me of conversations with a teenager, (No offense meant to teenagers)
Oh, yeah......
And I’ve been on here long enough to remember when Auburn only had two or three people that would post on this blog. I guess maybe because Auburn had nothing to talk about. Well, now you do but its for all the wrong reasons. Congrats!!!!
One bad decision on the field by any agressive player...
does not “dirty” make! Besides he got flagged for it.
I said this before, if you watch in slow motion most QB hits in the pocket, they will all look late and intentional.
I wonder what defensive line coaches mean when they tell their players to get the quarterback?
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Well, we are nearing the Holidays,
so maybe Fairley should prepare a couple of fruitcakes for McElroy?? I think that would be a lovely gesture.
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 18, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
These bammer trolls....
are the same people who cheered when they hurt Colt McCoy and put him out of the game last year. Hard hits are just fine with them as long as they are inflicting them not receiving them! I still wonder seeing Colt in the NFL if the outcome would have been different if he hadn’t left the game.
by au_tigger_n_NOLA on Nov 18, 2010 8:44 AM CST reply actions
Not a troll...
Just a bit shocked that Fairley’s style of play is being defended and glorified by the writers here.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 18, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
HaHa
Fairley has played great all year and the ONLY reason he is getting attention is because of the Cam Newton imbruglio. Be honest….had you ever heard of him before last Saturday??
There isn’t a team in the country that wouldn’t welcome him with open arms to their team if he played for them….UGA included. This is hipocrasy, pure and simple. I saw SUH put some vicious hits on some folks last year…..and I thought it was great. I love great D line play, and Fairley is a great player…..if he was dirty he would go for knees and heads and other than the accidental hit on Murray’s upper shin (not knee) you won’t find any.
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I would argue there's a difference
Whoever put that hit on McCoy didn’t plant, pick, and drop McCoy. Or try and maul him with his helmet. Or spear him in the back. Or drive him into the ground. Or really anything dirty. Everyone loves big hits, but not when they’re dirty hits. Believe it or not, you can have an awesome, bruising defensive player who doesn’t play dirty. Look at Justin Houston. He has more sacks and tackles than Fairley, how many youtube videos compiling his dirty hits or articles calling for his suspension do you see? The same can be said for Dante Hightower, or Bruce Carter. How many such things did you see for Suh last year? You can be a great defensive player and NOT make dirty hits, the things can be mutually exclusive. This is simply not the case for Nick Fairley.
Herpie....
admit it. You cheered when Colt got put out of the game last year!
by au_tigger_n_NOLA on Nov 18, 2010 8:52 AM CST reply actions
I'm a Nebraska fan...
I was rooting for the Big12 in that game.
by HerpieHusker on Nov 18, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Ha ha
“Husker” in your username and the Nebraska mascot photo, and these guys assume you’re a Bama fan. Geniuses.
by yellowhammer on Nov 19, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
No wonder you sound like you need to change your tampon.
I think you should give up on football and stick to watching figure skating. You’ll be happier and we won’t have to listen to you cry.
Acid, I forgot to mention how I enjoyed your article this am.....
I would like to know how you think Kenneth Carter, and Jeff Whitaker will in their matchups against Bama’s O-line.
Thanks, I’ll hang up so I can listen to your answer….jk
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I think...
…..Whitaker, Lemonier and Carter have all had some good moments this year in spot duty. That is a very talented group of true freshmen, with bright futures. They don’t have three years of playing experience like Blanc and Goggins do. I think they’ll still be an asset. Kudos to Tracy Rocker for getting into the third team on the depth chart, even in big games. That tactic will pay dividends in the first half of the Iron Bowl.
You think they are crying foul now...
If Nick puts Bama’s qb out the game there will be a riot.
by au_tigger_n_NOLA on Nov 18, 2010 9:38 AM CST reply actions
Who cares what they think?
They were an angry mob, and at each others throat when LSU beat them. Their fans were wanting to fire half the coaches, and sit McElroy for Saban’s spanked baby McCarron(sp) or however you say his name.
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I wonder where all these
…..“dirty player” folks were when Brandon Cox was getting turned into a human pretzel every week.
I have been asking the same thing.....
and in particular the hits that Glenn Dorsey had on him…..talking about suplex or pile driver or what the hell ever….that dude was brutal. It’s funny Glenn Dorsey did the same move lifting and driving the opposing player into the ground and he was just a great player and now Fairly does it and it’s dirty and uncalled for.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I also don't remember whining
when Dwight Freeney was manhandling redshirt freshman Jason Campbell. It is not like Auburn has not faced some formidable defensive players before.
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 19, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
A stain on the SEC
Auburn has played well enough to win the SEC West this year (and I hate having to admit that). As usual though, Auburn continues to find ways to tarnish the image of the SEC. Sure, players from other teams do so as well, but no “team” has consistently put such a negative image up as Auburn has. You’re program is a Stain on the SEC. Always has been. I sincerely hope that changes one day. Until then, you’re just dirty playing/cheating embarrassment to the league.
Go to He#@...
You s&&%$#&, if you had half a clue you’d be dangerous.
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The case in point is...
To communicate with apes, you must first speak their language.
I can discuss many things with you in a clean, and friendly tongue. I will not however accept personal attacks by uneducated, filth ridden redneck trash, anymore than I would from you.
You want to talk intelligently? I am fine with that. You want to talk as the poser we replied to? I am not.
Good day sir.
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by KoolBell777 on Nov 18, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Just sayin..
Nothing disproves an argument like that more than taking the high road.
I understood what you were infering...
All Auburn fans are a little touchy these days.
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by KoolBell777 on Nov 18, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I understand why
But people might feel a little more sympathetic if you didn’t respond like that.
Personally, I could care less what other people think of me...
Although as a representative of this site, I may have acted too quickly, or worse yet, let that troll get under my skin. Your point is well taken.
You can’t defend what he said, or his false accusations, anymore than I could stomach them, therefore my reaction.
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by KoolBell777 on Nov 18, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
True, I wouldn't say Auburn is a stain on the SEC
Nearly every team has had problems with the NCAA, including the two traditionally biggest programs in the SEC: Tennessee and Alabama.
I will say this, however. Auburn fans need to realize that what Nick Fairly is doing is reviled by everyone else but you. As the evidence continues to mount, everyone but you considers Newton’s case more and more likely. Blindly supporting players like this makes you look like you’ll support your program doing anything, as long as you’re winning games. This kind of attitude does not reflect well on the SEC and your school, as it makes us look like we’ll do anything we can to win.
I will not say that generally, Auburn is a stain on the SEC.
I will say this, for what it's worth
And, of course, I can only speak for myself. You call it “blindly” supporting a player “like” Cam Newton. But, at this point in time, there is simply no credible evidence in which to substantiate an argument to the contrary; therefore, unless such evidence (not rumors and hearsay) is presented, a reason not to “blindly” support doesn’t exist.
Now, if that changes, then I feel certain the feelings and comments will change.
DWWD -- WDE!
I guess that depends on how you define "credible"
At some point the amount of evidence of any kind becomes too great to ignore, and I think we passed that with the information that came out last night. It’s not going away, it’s growing. Now it is true that there is no proof money was received or that Auburn even offered it. There are circumstantial things, like his father suddenly getting the money to renovate the church, but no definite proof. However I think there is enough credible evidence at this point that Cecil Newton at least solicited money for his son, which would make him ineligible to play for ANY school.
Cecil has supposedly admitted to soliciting funds...
so let’s assume that portion to be “credible”
How this affects Cam, however, may very well be subject to the definition of “on behalf of” — (Attorney’s love crap like this!)
Now, whether or not it’s applicable in this case may be left up to the NCAA, but in the legal sense of the phrase and depending on the jurisdiction, “on behalf of” wouldn’t apply since 1) Cam is an adult; 2) he would have to have provided “consent” and 3) as an adult, no one could have acted “on behalf of” Cam without some legal documentation; i.e. Power of Attorney, contract, etc.
Again, not sure how the NCAA defines “on behalf of” but if, within their by-laws, this phrase isn’t explicitly and/or expressly defined then I think there is debate to the point that Cecil acted “on behalf of” no one. True, the argument could be made that, as a parent, Cecil could perform these actions without consent or documentation but again, depending on the jurisdiction, may or may not “hold water”. I think it would then have to be proven that Cam was wholly dependent upon Cecil. I guess we’ll all find out at some point.
DWWD -- WDE!
Unfortunately the NCAA doesn't follow rules of law
So they can fit their interpretation to the situation. That’s why they can treat different players differently. The nature of their work makes defining specific offenses impossible, so they leave things broad in order to be able to define them based on different situations. In this case, the head of the investigating committee has implied that if his father solicited funds, then he will be ruled ineligible.
“In this case, the head of the investigating committee has implied that if his father solicited funds, then he will be ruled ineligible.”
Provide a link to verify this assertion.
by KungFuPanda9 on Nov 18, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Here you go:
as the NCAA stated emphatically that “Solicitation of cash or benefits by a prospective student-athlete or another individual on his or her behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules,” many assumed Auburn would sit Newton pending the ongoing investigation.
Nowhere in that article does it say that the head of the investigating committee said anything. It says, in the unimpressiver passive voice, “…and as the NCAA stated…”
Who is the NCAA? Is it that female who said merely that the NCAA does not allow solicitation, even though that language is not to be found within the regulations.
See, you can’t just make stuff up because you’ve decided you don’t like it when it happens. You have to have specific language. And in this case, the work “solicitation” is not found.
I can almost guarantee that if no money was paid to the Newtons, this whole thing will just dissipate. The only casualties will be MSU’s recruiting machine, and Cam Newton’s honor.
Hopefully Cam will continue to show grace and move past his malignment by a press corps which cannot distinguish between speculation and fact.
by KungFuPanda9 on Nov 18, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe you should actually read the regulations
Because they clearly say that any candidate who seeks any kind of improper benefit in the recruiting process will be ruled ineligible.
You’ll find the relevant regulations listed here:
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/11/15/starting-11-cam-newton-will-eventually-be-declared-ineligible/
You can ignore the article if you wish, just look at the words. As I stated before, the NCAA intentionally leaves these things broad so they can interpret them for any situation. They will read this situation into those regulations and he will be held ineligible. Money does not need to change hands, there needs only be the prospect of improper benefits.
I know what you are "trying" to do, but you fail.
Don Jackson, an attorney who has dealt with MANY, MANY NCAA cases has thoroughly shot holes in that NCAA ‘rule’.
He has been on multiple radio shows, including Finebaum, and stated that the NCAA has never ruled anyone ineligible because of ‘seeking’ improper benefits. Its too hard to prove.
Some further reading for you will be to see: Albert Means. He RECEIVED money from Alabama, was ruled ineligible, then went to play at Memphis because he wasn’t ineligible there. So there is another little loop hole in that ‘rule’ you posted.
Now run away back to your hidey hole and try and come back with something that every Auburn hasn’t already dissected.
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I don’t think Albert means actually recieved any money from UA. It has been a while and I am not as obcessed about the goings on at UA as they seem to be with AU these days, but I think they were busted for other reasons.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Nov 19, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
Logan Young was the bag-man and passed the money to Means' coach ...
… you know, the same Logan Young who, along with his daddy, was the bammer bag-man for De Bear going way back to the 60’s.
You know, the same Logan Young who was murdered, errr committed suicide, and left the bloodiest crime scene, errr suicide scene, ever seen by the Memphis Police Dept.
You can read all about it here:
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/04/logan-young-key-figure-in-alabama-scandal-murdered/
Well clearly you don't know what I'm trying to do
Because what I was saying is that the NCAA adapts their rules as they wish. If they can rule a jersey collector with distant ties to agents as an “agent”, they can certainly say this situation fits within their rules. They don’t need precedent to decide a case, they can interpret it how they want.
2008 Sugar Bowl, Bama Vs. Utah
Satring offensive lineman had an uncle that accepted a free room for the game in New Orleans. That made him ineligible for the game.
And you think the NCAA would be ok with a players dad soliciting or receiving money with no recourse for punishing the player? Wake up.
I sincerely...
doubt there is sympathy for Auburn throughout the SEC. Here @ Tracke ‘Em Tigers…you’re either us or against us. Like it or lump it…better yet…just leave!
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please ban efltrash consider it a personal favor to me.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
That's not very nice
I haven’t really been trolling on this page.
Personal Attack?
If my comments are what you refer to as “personal attacks by uneducated, filth ridden redneck trash” communicated by an “ape”, then maybe you should look at your own comments. I was talking about common sentiment toward the Auburn Football Program, and not an individual. If you took is personally, that’s your problem.
The only stain I'm seeing
is the stain left on the field when Auburn gets through each Saturday!
And in BDS
I will be there to see the HUGE crimson/tear stain left on the field as the clock hits zero and Auburn smacks that elephant fanny!
Jealous?
Not jealous at all but disappointed at the image your program is portraying on a national stage. Congrats on your success so far this season.
If you don't like Fairley's play, then my advice is to, as Dan Hawkins once said...
Go play intramurals, brother!
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Without Question
“Without question, if there’s ever a play where a player should be looked at and potentially be suspended or some kind of action should be brought down on a player, it’s for that hit that Nick Fairley put on Aaron Murray. No excuse for that.” — Kirk Herbstreit
But sure, it’s just those sore loser dawg fans.
I know a lot of AU fans have acknowledged how bad Fairley is, but those of you who are deluding yourself (“He was blocked into his knee! He couldn’t stop his momentum!”) are just disgusting.
"for that hit"
Listen. There’s not an Auburn fan out there right now that defends “that hit.” The hit he’s referring to is the helmet-to-spine shot that Fairley put on Murray. It was cheap, dirty, illegal, and he got penalized for it. The rest of his hits in the game, while rough, were all legal. Will they be legal this time next year? I don’t know.
In the video “Nick Fairley’s cheap shots nearly cause a brawl vs. UGA” on youtube that was posted earlier in this thread, only one of the three hits, in my estimation, is illegal: the one I mentioned earlier. The first hit in that video is a form tackle right as Murray lets go of the ball. The second hit is the illegal one. The third hit is the one you say we are deluding ourselves about. Please, RCBRick, explain to me how a player who is falling down and whose feet are off the ground, can stop his momentum? His job is to sack the quarterback. Are you telling me that once he’s blocked away from the quarterback, he should stop trying to get to him? It’s unfortunate that Fairley’s helmet collided with Murray’s knee, but I don’t think he was intentionally aiming for his knee. His head was turned toward the end zone!
Sheesh. Maybe we should start playing flag football instead.
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by jd is legend on Nov 18, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I would give any player the benefit of the doubt...
…on that play that took Murray out, because the prior probability of a player being dirty enough to do that is quite low. But it isn’t that low for Nick Fairley, as you point out the spear demonstrates he is that dirty, so the most parsimonious explanation is not “unfortunate accident” but “non-accident consistent with the non-accidental behavior exhibited all season”. His head was turned towards the endzone? Who cares?! Are you suggesting that he lost all spatial awareness in the tenths of a second he had his head turned?
And the spear isn’t even the dirtiest thing he did (although it was certainly the most dangerous). The guy deliberately attempted (and succeeded) in goring Murray’s face with his helmet, such that they had to bandage his face and change his shirt because of all the blood!
Those three events are the #1, #2 and #3 dirtiest plays I’ve seen in games I’ve personally watched (in eleven years of watching). I’ve seen dirtier plays in highlights, but those are tops in games I was watching.
I’ve seen about 400 games in that time, the chances of a non-dirty player being responsible for all three in the same game by accident are (1/400)^3, or about 1 in 15 million. Sure it’s possible, but boy it doesn’t seem likely.
You trolls keep on
about how the locked face masks is what caused Murray’s chin to bleed, YET YOUR WRONG!!! It was a few plays after that, on a scramble up the sidelines i believe, where he cut his chin. ON A CLEAN HIT! go back and look at the tape, he is fine until the run then all of a sudden blood and cut
Fair enough
I’m still not convinced that Fairley’s and Murray’s helmets weren’t just tangled up (as Verne ‘n’ Gary said). Reasoning: First, when their helmets separate, it’s a quick separation, as though they were pulling hard apart and the helmets finally “snapped” apart. Second, when Fairley gets off of Murray, Murray isn’t demonstrating to the refs or Fairley or anyone that something illegal or dirty happened. He keeps on playing. Given Murray’s response to Fairley’s (dirty) late hit, I would think he would be screaming for anyone who would listen that Fairley was intentionally trying to cut his chin.
I don’t think we’re going to reach a consensus agreement on these issues, except for the late hit that was flagged. I can see your side of the argument, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. My mind could be changed by plays in the remainder of our games, though, so I guess we’ll just have to see where it all goes from here.
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by jd is legend on Nov 18, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Again, for most players...
…that is perfectly plausible, obviously I believe it is not as likely for this particular player. But yea, we’ll see where it goes from here.
On Murray’s reaction to that play, I would point out that Murray never complained about any of the hits until the very end of the game (there was a shot of him shouting angrily at someone after he was knocked out). Even on the spear, he didn’t say a word and just signaled for a PF.
Anyway, I’m done, you obviously aren’t one of the folks making some of the more extreme claims.
That was Josh Murray, not Aaron who was yelling
The elder Murray is a walk-on safety, but is a dead ringer for his younger brother. Aaron was on the bench getting his knee looked at.
It’s an easy mistake – they look identical.
by first and thom on Nov 18, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
was he referring
To the hit in the knee or the helmet to the back? Because I think we all agree the latter was dirty. Can you answer this question or do you not know cause you copied and pasted from another board?
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by GumptownTiger on Nov 18, 2010 9:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sitting here laughing to myself...
had any other player from an opposing team maliciously went after Cam Newton the way Fairley to GA’s QB, they would be screaming bloody murder.
Keep on justifying, though… Oh yeah, and don’t think for one second the entire world of college football didn’t lose a good deal of respect for the SEC for it’s lack of “Give-A-Shit” for a player’s safety.
"the entire world of college football..."
You are quite the powerful spokesman!
by mabmv on Nov 18, 2010 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Me thinks one deludes one's self
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by KoolBell777 on Nov 18, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Ha!
Coming from an Auburn fan, at this particular moment in history…..the irony of this comment is so exquisite that it really needs to be preserved for the appreciation of future generations. Hopefully the archive server’s around the world are patrolling sbnation comment sections.
Now that's funny
I understand completely where you are coming from. I found that truly hilarious.
Thanks, I needed a laugh after all this.
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by KoolBell777 on Nov 18, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
this concern for safety coming from a guy who lamented above that Fairley’s knee wasn’t blown out in that chop block.
An Auburn victory in Tuscaloosa, a SEC championship AND a national championship are defintely NOT part of 'The Process'.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 18, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
HerpesHusker
will no longer be joining us.
An Auburn victory in Tuscaloosa, a SEC championship AND a national championship are defintely NOT part of 'The Process'.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 18, 2010 12:24 PM CST reply actions
I'm still trying to figure out why he was here in the first place
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Nov 18, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Shocking!!!
His joining us this morning with such fervor was quite the most unwelcome surprise.
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 18, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
ONE MORE TIME....
BAN ELFTRASH PLEASE!
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I tried tooTodd.
SB Nation has not given KoolBell and myself the ability to ban.
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
by aubtigerman on Nov 19, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I appreciate the effort guys.....
OK WEA, Acid, Jay the ball is in your court.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I love all of this hate

"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 18, 2010 2:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I see that the Iron Bowl talk is a lot more colorful this year.
When you’re 11-0 I guess everybody likes to pile on when you’re on top.
I am so sick of hearing people lash out at Nick Fairley. He got called for one late hit on Aaron Murray. I don’t understand why UGA fans thought their QB was above being tackled. Its tackle football people.
I am so excited and nervous about this Iron Bowl. I can’t believe it is to keep our chances alive for going to the BCS NCG. What a difference a year can make.
War Eagle! Beat Alabama!
War Eagle
I was wondering the same thing...
and I won’t mention what my son said he looks like. But it wasn’t a compliment….
:)
War Eagle!
"The spirit of the Auburn family is a magical, mystical thing. It defies explanation. It transcends wins and losses on a football field. It imprints itself on your character and can never be extinguished. Being an Auburn fan defines part of who and what you are..."
-Unknown Author
To match
the Oklahoma hoody he wore on the witness stand in the murder case he testified in months before the season started at Alabama.
An Auburn victory in Tuscaloosa, a SEC championship AND a national championship are defintely NOT part of 'The Process'.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 18, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
newton family lawyer makes statement
Says he’s “one million percent” sure cam didn’t receive money, but didn’t mention the allegations against cecil (not in what I read online which wasn’t the full statement). Can’t link from my phone, fire up the google machine.
"Jay Jacobs can't go to the bathroom without Bobby Lowder's permission" - Paul Finebaum
by GumptownTiger on Nov 18, 2010 9:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Gumptown...
he left a door wide open for the assumption that maybe Cecil did in fact have money conversations with Rogers and/or Bell, or whoever. And he made a specific mention to the fact UF will be hearing from him REAL soon.
"The spirit of the Auburn family is a magical, mystical thing. It defies explanation. It transcends wins and losses on a football field. It imprints itself on your character and can never be extinguished. Being an Auburn fan defines part of who and what you are..."
-Unknown Author
Wonder?
Just how much truth there is to the leak that AU contacted the SEC and the NCAA regarding this money thing after conversations with the Newton’s before Cam signed with AU.
"The spirit of the Auburn family is a magical, mystical thing. It defies explanation. It transcends wins and losses on a football field. It imprints itself on your character and can never be extinguished. Being an Auburn fan defines part of who and what you are..."
-Unknown Author
BTW:
Yes…I have mastered the “run on sentence”.
"The spirit of the Auburn family is a magical, mystical thing. It defies explanation. It transcends wins and losses on a football field. It imprints itself on your character and can never be extinguished. Being an Auburn fan defines part of who and what you are..."
-Unknown Author
I have been following this guy for awhile.
The only thing that is a little hinky is his statement, “It was revealed on the Paul Finebaum show…” I don’t listen to the show so I don’t know how it was revealed. It might just be more gossip. Anyway, it goes to Mississippi State’s self-inflicted recruiting woes (John Lennon’s “Instant Karma” plays in the background.)
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Mississippi State Football: The Clouds Gather over a Once Bright Season
By
Kevin McGrady (Featured Columnist) on November 18, 2010
It was revealed on the Paul Finebaum radio show that Megan Mullen, wife of head coach Dan Mullen, is the source of some of the infamous leaks in the current NCAA investigation into recruiting at Mississippi State. Between recent statements by Mississippi State boosters John Bond and Bill Bell and Megan Mullen’s leaks it has tightened the noose around the neck of the Mississippi State football program.
It would appear that it is too late to put the worms back in the can, but if Megan Mullen and other leaks were to cease giving the NCAA more information that is damaging to the program, it could be that the final results of this investigation might go easier on her husband’s program.
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While the Cam Newton side of this investigation has been publicized, speculated, exaggerated and even lied about to the nth degree, the victim that is becoming more and more apparent is going to be the football program at Mississippi State. The obvious violations have been exposed by one leak after another.
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The only recruiters that are authorized by Mississippi State are coaches. This information was made obvious in statements from Coach Mullenearly on in this process. The Mississippi State football program was made aware of the problems in recruiting Cam Newton in November 2009, yet the program admittedly continued recruiting this player until he signed with Auburn on December 31, 2009.
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Mississippi State did not report these recruiting problems to the conference when they occurred so that the NCAA and SEC could take appropriate action and protect other institutions involved. They waited until sometime in January and only partially reported the incident.
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Bell and Bond have admitted to taking part in the recruiting process. In his last statement Bell admits to both being a booster and to multiple contacts with who he thought was a representative of a perspective recruit. This is certainly not allowed in the current NCAA recruiting rules.
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Fans can assume both Bell and Bond were aware and very familiar with NCAA rules as both were former Mississippi State football players. Why did they consider it OK to discuss cash payments with or about a recruit? It would seem when the subject was first brought up the proper answer was to simply say we can’t discuss such things as it is against NCAA Rules.
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Kenny Rogers’ lawyer came out with a statement that basically said his client was dumb to get involved in this. This is nothing new to Mississippi State fans as even the least educated in NCAA rules would have know better than to do what he said he did. He is a former Mississippi State player as well and will be considered an agent or booster of the Mississippi State program in the eyes of the NCAA.
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Rogers would have the fans, of the program he has so damaged, believe that he became the go between for Cecil Newton to directly solicit money from Mississippi State boosters to get a recruit to the football program. He says this was all done free of charge, out of the kindness of his heart, without the expectation of pay.
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In his statement he admitted to working on this for at least three days and making several phone calls and text messages. Why would Rogers travel hundreds of miles, make several contacts and spend valuable time on this without the expectation of pay? His lawyer could be right, he might just be that dumb.
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In another troubling development, Bell came out and modified his original statement to say that Cecil Newton did not directly ask him for money but that Kenny Miles did that for Mr. Newton. He also admitted to multiple contacts and even a conference call in the nefarious deal.
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At no time did any of these boosters and agents of the Mississippi State football program state that they explained to Cecil Newton that they could not pay him for his sons agreement to come play ball for Mississippi State. In fact it appears just the opposite might be true.
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The other elephant in the china shop is the unnamed source leaks that have described several actions in this recruitment gone wrong. The one thing these sources have not leaked is if the Mississippi State coaching staff called the Newtons and explained to them that asking for money to attend Mississippi State would render Cam Newton ineligible. This would have seemed to have been the first thing they would have done.
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As the days go by, it becomes more and more clear that Mississippi State, their football program and the athletes in tat program will wind up being the biggest losers in this investigation. It certainly appears at this point that the eventual ruling will go hard for all things Mississippi State.
and I believe that this is the reason for Slive's less than thrilled with MS comments...
in his interview earlier about this case. He stresses for us to wait until ALL the facts to surface before we judge, then goes on to slam MSU for botching the reporting of the incident and doesnt even hide the fact he is less than pleased. I took the most comfort from this. He ended by saying it’s about being fair. If Slive had information that Auburn was a dirty program his interview would not have sounded this way at all.
what about the fbi?
are they investigating auburn for paying players or cecil for soliciting money across state lines or the whole rogers shopping players assumption?
the feds scare me the most.
There has never been an accusation by anyone that Auburn colluded with anyone to exchange money for Newton’s recruitment. In fact people from Tennessee and Oklahoma have bolstered Auburn’s position that during the recruitment process with Cam Newton, no one ever mentioned money or extra benefits in any way.
That leaves only the three former players at MSU to prove that Cecil initiated discussions about money in the first place. Their motive to place the blame on Cecil is obviously an attempt to deflect blame away from themselves, but changes very little as it regards their guilt.
Beyond that, MSU officials and coaches have to explain why they continued to recruit Cam after these alleged attempts to receive extra benefits ocurred.
by KungFuPanda9 on Nov 19, 2010 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
so the fbi...
…is looking into that? what about the mcgregor ordeal?
My understanding is that the FBI is investigating Kenny Rogers..maybe Bill Bell too. It has to do with the money trail, and less to do with recruiting. I think that the McGregor case is completely separate and only linked to this one, because McGregor is an Auburn booster.
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 19, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Actually..
So far there is no money trail. Although the obvious admittance of Rogers and Bell being involved in a “purchase of services” is against federal law, and thus the FBI will dig out the root cause of MSU’s recruiting problems.
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That’s what I meant…thanks for the clarification.
by Tiger on the mountain on Nov 19, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
" Auburn has never lost after starting a season 11-0! "
Wow, what a stat! How many times has THAT happened??? Twice? Hahahahaha.
Please, please keep posting this stuff. It’s absolutely hilarious!

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