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Can Auburn Be Competitive In Basketball Long-Term?

A few weeks back following Auburn's basketball win over Alabama, a friend of mine, who happens to be an Alabama graduate, was walking back to my car with me when we got into a discussion about the state of college basketball at both schools. I wondered aloud why both universities have never been able to sustain successful programs. Sure there have been stretches where they have competed nationally; but on the whole, it's a sport that neither has been able to conquer over the long haul.

With yet another heartbreaking loss to Miss State on Saturday, Auburn again seems destined for another coaching change at year's end. Would of, could of and should of will forever define Jeff Lebo's tenure on the Plains. Call it bad luck, poor recruiting or just fighting bad history. Whatever the reason, Lebo has zero chance of returning next year.

Today his sixth Auburn team sits 12-13 overall and 3-7 in SEC play. Despite winning 24 games a year ago, he's yet to sniff the NCAA Tournament during his tenure. He's won only 31 conference games and lost a non-conference match-up with Sam Houston State back in December. Lebo's been so close on so many occasions that it's hard for the casual fan to see where the train actually came off the tracks.

It's real easy to place all the blame on the sixth year coach. But we all know better. It runs much deeper. There's not a more apathetic fan base in America than Auburn's when it comes to basketball. That sounds funny considering the University is spending $100 million on a new arena for a sport that's nothing more than a diversion between the end of bowl season and spring football practice. It hardly seems fair to place all the blame on Lebo.

Auburn officials are gambling big that a new arena will bring new enthusiasm and success to a program that has truthfully, never been a whole lot. In the short term, it almost certainly will work.  Auburn fans will flock to check out the new arena. Next season will break all attendance records, even with the new arena being smaller than Beard-Eaves. Hiring the right person will also add to the renewed excitement.

Then what?

Does building a state-of-the-art facility and hiring a new coach cure all the ills of a program that has floundered for a century? As one person asked on a message board this weekend, would hiring Urban Meyer at Vanderbilt change its fortunes? If only it were that easy.

Cracking the code to long-term success in the SEC and the nation is one that neither state school has figured out. With Birmingham and Atlanta situated only a few hours from campus you would think recruiting would be easier. Unfortunately, there's much more to it. Unlike football, basketball must deal with AAU coaches, summer leagues and the NBA. It goes without saying that recruiting becomes more difficult when your fans just really don't care. It's not a knock on Auburn people, it's just a fact. There's nothing wrong with it unless you are investing $100 million and need to turn a profit.

Few fans understood the significance of the blow Auburn received back in 2004 when among the sanctions levied by the NCAA was a ban on any dealings with summer league guru Mark Komara. Because he was labeled an Auburn booster by the NCAA, the program was prohibited from dealing with him. The sanctions have long since expired, but the no-contact order remains in place.

Because Komara has such influence in Alabama, it's virtually impossible to recruit anyone in-state to Auburn. This season, Frankie Sullivan is the only Alabama player on scholarship for the Tigers. Even with new facilities and a new coach, it's still a steep, uphill climb. Turning Vanderbilt into Florida in football is no easy task. It's probably not doable. Comparing this scenario to the Auburn basketball program may not be fair, but it's not all that much farfetched either.

Auburn officials will catch heat for the new facility. Many will argue the money would have been better spent on Jordan-Hare Stadium. It's a solid argument. However, at the end of the day it was the right move. Renovating Beard-Eaves would be throwing more good money down the drain. As a member of the SEC, Auburn has a responsibility to try and be competitive in all sports. Continuing to play in that outdating facility would guarantee failure.

The question now is whether all this money and a new coach will spell success? There are many variables to overcome, but at the end of the day, one big question remains.

Do Auburn fans really care? 

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Unfortunately, Auburn fans DON’T care for the most part. It’s really a shame. I have been a constant supporter of Auburn basketball during my time on the Plains. I started as a freshman at AU in fall 2004 and after changing majors a few times I graduated in December 2009 — and I always made every game I could, and for my last 2 full seasons as a student (last year and the year before) I made it to every SEC home game, and even a couple of road games. I love the sport of basketball, and bleed orange and blue, so it’s extremely frustrating for me because I don’t really get to enjoy the sport like I would like to. It REALLY angers me the way Auburn fans just DO NOT CARE. Each time we have a game that’s not against Kentucky or Alabama, I start thinking “I wonder what percentage of the student body has NO CLUE that we even have a game tonight?” and I’m guessing the number is usually fairly high.

It goes without saying that recruiting becomes more difficult when your fans just really don’t care. It’s not a knock on Auburn people, it’s just a fact. There’s nothing wrong with it unless you are investing $100 million and need to turn a profit.

I disagree. There is something terribly wrong with it, regardless of whether or not we’re building a new arena. Fans not supporting this basketball program puts us at a disadvantage to other universities. Auburn is a great, well-rounded University academically, and that’s something I’m proud of. However, not supporting the basketball program puts Auburn at a huge disadvantage when it comes to being well-rounded athletically. I would absolutely love to be able to say “Auburn is a football, basketball, AND baseball school.” It starts with support. I’m tired of hearing people say “Well if we were anywhere close to decent, I would go to games.” Auburn people need to just suck it up and support the team anyway, and eventually things will get better. I refuse to believe that AU can never have a quality basketball program. If you can bring quality players to Starkville, Mississippi (which is being done), you can sure as heck bring them to Auburn, Alabama. I was unaware of the whole Mark Komara deal. What’s up with that? Why can’t this ridiculous ban be lifted and let Auburn recruit the state better? Besides that, there is nothing wrong with bringing in recruits from out-of-state, or even out-of-country. I saw a WVU player on TV the other day from Turkey. If Auburn were to hire the right person, someone who is known as a great recruiter and who can go out and get the guys we need — whether they’re in the state of Alabama or not — then excitement will be generated about this program. With the new arena we will have state-of-the-art facilities for basketball. There’s no excuse anymore. It’s now or never. Do not let this program die out, Auburn fans. We need to bring it back to life. WAR EAGLE!

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Feb 15, 2010 6:54 AM CST reply actions  

By the way...

I voted “NO” because I will still support the team the way I always have.

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Feb 15, 2010 6:59 AM CST up reply actions  

You make some good points...

It’s a tough issue to solve. Hopefully a new coach and arena will mean a fresh start.

I'm wearing this Auburn shirt because I went to Auburn. You are wearing that Alabama shirt because you went to Walmart.

by Jay Coulter on Feb 15, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree Aushorecm ...

… " Auburn people need to just … support the team anyway " I attend most of the home games and the only ticket thats hard to get is Kentucky. We need to do better !

aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Feb 15, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The only basketball I watch...

is the college game. I especially like the closeness of the action to the fans.
I am looking forward to the new digs, but I haven’t a clue as to whom the next coach should be.
Maybe Gavin, the ESPN analyst, could recruit some talent to Auburn.
I even hate that I wrote that, because I don’t want to send a message, or seemingly so, that Auburn currently has very little talent. I don’t know if it’s coaching, or a real lack of recruiting prowess by Lebo.

"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject"-Thomas Jefferson

by KoolBell777 on Feb 15, 2010 8:29 AM CST reply actions  

If you build it they will come

I have been a big supporter of Auburn basketball for years. In fact I was a manager my frosh year. I know this program can become a basketball powerhouse but there is a cycle to follow and it starts with the coach.

I’ve said since the day we hired Lebo that we would fail under him. I saw the way he coached and the plays he drew up and realized that he’s a mediocre coach at best. He doesn’t have that “wow” factor that great coaches have. He purely relies on his playing days at UNC. We need to hire a coach with that “it” factor in order to start turing this program around. Look at teams like Clemson or Tennessee. Both schools were terrible, then they hired coaches who knew how to recruit and knew how to think outside the box in terms of coaching. Their success is obviously parallel to their coaching hires.

When we hired Lebo, it was a time when many programs were hiring midmajor coaches from all over. They were coaches who were well known for their coaching ability and recruiting prowess. Instead we hired a coach no one had ever heard of from a program that wasn’t event the best in it’s conference! As soon as we hire a new coach the fans will show up in droves. Auburn fans want to see that their program is actually trying to win the division and not just barely make the NIT.

The new arena promises to have the students on TV the whole time (like Duke) so that’ll raise the fan base for sure. We’ve taken the first step in building a more intimate and fan friendly arena. The next step is hiring a new coach (one that has that “it” factor). From their we’ll get fans and then the recruits will come. It’s a process but it should only take a season or two to really get the ball rolling on this process.

by AJKTiger08 on Feb 15, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

I like your optimism, AJK. If we can hire someone who is A: a good recruiter, and B: a good x’s and o’s coach, and if he can surround himself with good assistants (sound familiar Auburn fans? lol), then I think we could start competing for SEC titles within a few years. We just need some good decisions to be made, that’s all.

"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik

by AUshorecm on Feb 15, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll be glad to go to the new building...

when they bring back SEC wrestling. For those of you who are old enough, auburn used to have quite a team.

Upon moving to AL, I let my wife decide who she would root for. After one day at a new job full of Bama fans, she met me at the door with a hearty cry of "WAR EAGLE"

by SandMountainTiger on Feb 15, 2010 6:08 PM CST reply actions  

I believe we have "sustained" ...

… a winning basketball program. When Coach Sonny Smith started winning at Auburn in 1982 we had finally turned the corner. He led the Tigers to their first ever SEC Tournament Championship, produced 3 consecuitive winning seasons, and 5 straight NCAA Tournament births. I believe this was more than a “stretch”, it was a bona fide “turn around”. He coached NBA players Chris Morris, Chuck Person, and Charles Barkley, was recognized 5 different times as a Coach of the year including 2 SEC Coach of the Year Awards, and finally was inducted into the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame.

I believe AU President Dr Ed Richardson did alot of good for Auburn University but he made a poor and costly decission when he fired our next successful coach… Cliff Ellis.

Coach Smith’s winning ways were continued under Coach Ellis. He took the Tigers to the NIT in 94 & 98 . He coached NBA players Chris Porter anf Doc Robinson. Ellis’s 94- & 98 teams played in the NIT. His 98-99 Auburn team went 29- 4 and played in the NCAA Tournament. His 2000 team was 24- 10 and again went to the Big Dance. In 2003 Auburn made it to the Sweet 16 before losing to eventual National Champion Syracuse. Then when the team did not make it back to the NCAA Tournament in 2004, Dr Richardson fired Coach Ellis.

Yet Coach Cliff Ellis has been a winner everywhere he has been. He has won the SEC Regular Season Championship, the ACC Regular Season Championship, and the Sun Belt Regular Season Championship. While at Auburn he had the Tigers near the top of the conference in victories and post season play. He presently has Coastal Carolina University receiving national recognition for their winning ways, he is the second most winningest coach in Auburn history, and he is the all time winningest coach both at Clemson and at South Alabama.
Ellis won the SEC Coach of The Year twice as well as the ACC Coach of The Year twice. Even after being out of coaching for three years he is ranked 29th on the list of all time Division 1 coaching victories.

So these two coaches gave us 20- 22 pretty good years after nearly 80 years of mediocrity. They would have been good years anywhere but when it was done at a football school in the toughest football conference in America … then it was even more amazing. Alot of Auburn people were upset with Tommy Tuberville’s departure. But the firing of Cliff Ellis was more devastating to the basketball program simply because of the history of the two sports at Auburn. Dr Richardson’s action coupled with the banning of summer league guru Mark Komara was what killed Auburn Basketball and it will take alot more than a new arena to revive it.

aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Feb 15, 2010 9:04 PM CST reply actions  

I thought Cliff Ellis was fired for off-the-court problems, not results

Shoulda hired Mike Anderson

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Feb 15, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what your referring to JD ...

… " off-the-court problems". Dr Richardson said at the time, " My evaluation of the program indicates to me that we need to move in a different direction … it is simply a time for change." The President made the decission without considering Ellis’s plan for improvement. He was called in and fired , simply as that.

DR Richardson was on a reformation agenda during his tenure at Auburn from administration to athletics to academics and faculty . Everything and everyone was open to change, dimissal, or promotion. That was what he was brought in to do and that’s what he did. Remember he also fired Baseball Coach Steve Renfro and promoted Jay Jacobs to AD.

aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Feb 16, 2010 7:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought I remembered some whispers of NCAA problems

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Feb 17, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes and had nothing to do with his dismissal ...

… The investigation turned up nothing on Ellis. Because the NCAA could not get any real dirt on the basketball program they made up the allegation that summer league instructor Mark Komara was an “Auburn booster”. They then decided that since some Auburtn players had been under his tuteledge that the program would be put on probation and that Komara would be forever banned from any contact with Auburn. Most honest sportswritters saw the unfairness of the NCAA’s action and how it would cripple Auburn’s recruiting. Phllip Marshall put it this way, " The NCAA in its zeal to penalize what it could not proove labeled Komara an Auburn booster. Thats the stretch of all stretches…rightly or wrongly if you can’t go through Komara , you can’t recruit the top players in Alabama."

The firing of a good and popular coach had (as so often is the case ) a negative impact on the team that the new man inherited. Many thought that the 2005 team would be an NCAA Tournament team but the Ellis firing brought the defection of 4 key players when Brandon Robinson, Dwayne Curtis, Marco killingsworth, and Lewis Monroe left the team.

Further when the news people pressed the university on the Ellis firing, they got Dr Richardson’s statement above as well as one from the outgoing AD, " As much as we appreciate coach Ellis’ accomplishnents and contributions we have not consistently met our minimun competitive goals which are that of being a force in the SEC and making the NCAA Tournament on a consistent basis. " Well Coach Ellis had only had them in the tournament 3 times in his last 6 years, something that was apparently not good enough for Dr Richardson. My question is how many times have we been in the NCAA Tournament in the 6 years since Coach Ellis was fired ?

Sorry but Dr Richardson owns this one . He definitely got it wrong and now 6 years after his screw up, people are asking will we ever be a winner again ?

aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Feb 18, 2010 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't aware of the Komara situation till Jay made this post

And after reading your Phllip Marshall quote on how that affected recruiting I can see what an uphill struggle Coach Lebo has had to deal with, he needs one more year but its not looking good is it ?

by PineMtTiger on Feb 18, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Being from Kentucky

I’ve been a huge basketball fan since I knew what the sport was. Of course my team since I was six is the Cats. But once I knew that Auburn would be where I went to school, I gladly adopted the Tigers. My freshman year, I was confused when I went to the games to see the arena less than half full at times. This was the time of year that I was used to seeing everyone getting eager and excited. But that was not the case here. It was a harsh sight to see so much apathy around a sport when there is so much excitement around football. I will always be a basketball supporter, but it saddens me that both the administration and the fan base just doesn’t seem to care.

by SrWiggles on Feb 16, 2010 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

Jay, question...
There’s not a more apathetic fan base in America than Auburn’s when it comes to basketball.

Honestly, what do you expect?
I’m going to go on a bit of a rant here, but answer this question. When has Auburn played in an extremely meaningful regular season basketball game? You know the kind of game that would draw fans. Or let me ask the bigger question, when does any college basketball team really play in an extremely meaningful regular season basketball game? Bubble teams play some meaningful games down the stretch to try to be that 64th team into the tourney, but even then they are desperately trying to be #64, not #1.

What is college basketball’s equivalent of the LSU-Auburn football game from 2000-2007? Answer? There isn’t one. I’m as big of a fan as anyone of March Madness, but unfortunately, the 64 team tournament has completely watered down the regular season. It is almost meaningless.

So when it comes to a team like Auburn, who’s stadium is in a city of about 50,000 people, how in the hell are you supposed to draw fans from Birmingham or Atlanta who will have a two hour plus drive back to their homes after they attend a meaningless regular season game that ends at 9:30pm on a weekday?

This is why I am a fan of the BCS in football. Every game has meaning. In NCAA Basketball, the regular season is merely an exhibition for the 64 team tourney, and regular season interest continues wane every year. It’s not just a problem for Auburn, it’s a problem for college basketball in general. Auburn just happens to have an extra disadvantage over a team like LSU, who plays in a city 10 times the size of Auburn.

by LSU Jonno on Feb 16, 2010 10:06 AM CST reply actions  

The firing of Cliff Ellis...

…..was definitely a head-scratcher. IF we could have signed Mike Anderson, then MAYBE it would have been OK.

……Honestly, I don’t have the passion for basketball that I do for football, and that’s not Auburn’s fault. I suspect many sports fans in this state feel the same. I like basketball, but it doesn’t energize me like a football game does. I’ll turn on the MAC game of the week on Tuesday night on ESPN, for football. I follow Auburn, but I can’t say that I make a huge effort to be in front of the TV for every televised basketball game like I do for football.

…..Attending a single Auburn basketball game is a bit of a pain, too. You basically have to take a day off from work, or even two, to make it from Birmingham. You’ve got to drive down in rush hour traffic, park, and make a big hike to the center of campus. Then, you’re not getting home till 1 AM or so. Most Tragic City Tigers aren’t going to leave work early to drive down, watch Auburn clang free throws off the rim, then work the next day on low sleep. Ain’t gonna happen.

…..I do attend two or three college basketball games a year. But it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg, and I can walk home from a Samford game. That, and Jimmy Tillette’s offense is a marvel to watch!

by Acid Reign on Feb 16, 2010 4:34 PM CST reply actions  

I sympathize with you Acid and ...

… with all those who might like to show their support for basketball and other AU sports but are prevented from doing so by time and distance. I am fortunate to be able to attend alot of different athletic events because I only live about 50 minutes from Auburn. I could not do that if I lived in north Ala. or north Ga.

aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Feb 16, 2010 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I would have loved to had Anderson

But anyone coming in after the firing of Ellis would have been handicapped. I think Lebo should be cut some slack because of that. However we should have not fired Ellis to start with.

by PineMtTiger on Feb 18, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Lebo has the first really solid recruiting class......

coming in since Ellis was fired. I would like to see what Lebo could do with a team with talent and depth something he has not had since he has been here. Remember folks the minute Lebo is let go his recruiting class can back out of their scholarship letters and sign with another school. I also thought it was ludicrous that Ellis was let go but that’s water under the bridge.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 18, 2010 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with you and PineMtTiger...

… the school needs to give him one more year. It is entirely possible that his recruits might leave just like some of Ellis’ players did which handicapped Lebo right out of the gate. Besides he is a man of integrity that knows how to coach. There is no telling what his record would be if the personel had been different.

However I’m afraid he saved his job last year for one more year with that late season turn around. He needed a better year this year. I think if they stick with him , we will see a big difference in the next couple of years. But sadly I don’t think he will get the chance.

aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Feb 18, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I think at this point it would take a mirracle....

like winning the SEC tourney to keep his job. And I also think its a shame……he has stated (although there are some who think it’s whining) that he has been handicapped in recruiting in large part because of the facilities and in no small part the Beave in particular….and now he has his first good class coming in (coincidently in the same year for the inaugural season in the new arena) and I think it will all disappear…….I know the guy can coach and gameplan well (he has kept us in games that are severe mismatches his entire career) and I would love to see what he can do with a full bench and a team that has some size in the paint……Shawn Kemp would have looked great in an AU uni.

I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

by Todd92 on Feb 19, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Todd there is a little ray of hope with the upset win over Arkansas

aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Feb 21, 2010 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I am tired of the excuses.

I want him out. You guys can keep wanting him to have another year. Then next year, you’ll want another year and this process will continue. I want a positive direction. Lebo doesn’t offer that.

by Sparkey on Feb 22, 2010 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

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