Leaked: USC Ready to Get Hammered With Probation. Then What?

From the RUMOR mill (because no major sources other than blogs are claiming this) the NCAA has completed three days of interviews, including two focused solely on the football team--a virtually unprecedented duration--and word is leaking out that USC will soon be hit with major probation penalties in two sports. The only thing seemingly left in doubt is the severity of the sanctions. A two year TV ban, loss of scholarships and bowl eligibility and vacation of games possibly loom over the Trojans. And that's just the football team.
With the departure of Pete Carroll the likely bellweather for the fortune of the gridiron side, one can't help but think how the game itself will be affected should the NCAA deliver severe penalties to a major program like USC. Although everyone knew this was coming, the realization that the hammer is getting ready to drop has many perplexed about how the CFB landscape might change. Will it be for the better or for the worse, or will we just muck it up as usual? If improper benefits, the crux of both the football and basketball investigations, are found to be of the more flagrant variety, might the NCAA finally have a conversation about paying these players some money to alleviate the sting of being young, broke and impressionable? Or would that just lead to an onslaught of cash being diverted underground to augment the aforementioned stipends?
The prime argument against paying players has always been about the sanctity of their amateur status, but what does that really mean? It's not like they'll forfeit some opportunity to play in the Olympics or bar entrance into the NFL--there is no Olympic football and NBA players already under-achieve in the summer games. Hell, make them file a tax return like everyone else. There's little doubt that the players are employees, especially considering how much revenue they produce for their employers, but that's about it. The universities are the brand. Just because you work for Apple doesn't mean you get a share of the merchandising royalties for every iPod sold, but you should get something--like a paycheck. That's my capitalistic two cents. But since we're talking about amateur status and compensation, let's let the lawyers weigh in:
Flying under the sports radar is a class-action lawsuit from former collegiate basketball players who are suing the NCAA for compensation for using their likeness in video games. The implications of this suit are enormous. While the NCAA, a non-for-profit organization, has been fighting tooth and nail, it must now open it's books to the plaintiff's side, and once opened, this genie may never go back in the bottle. Recently, a 2009 court decision allowed retired NFL players royalties on the use of their images in video games, so the outlook for the NCAA might not be so rosy. The amateur status of athletes--maybe ALL or just those in SOME sports--might be turned on it's ear. Even if the NCAA is able to uphold the chastity of amateur status, that might not bar 'retired' athletes, i.e. those who have exhausted their eligibility, from one day collecting royalties.
Although I think it's still way too early to speculate specifics, I think we might see the NCAA look to throw a bone to the athletes sometime in the near future as a way to not only hold off potential future suits like the one above, but to perhaps mitigate the flood of improper benefits being directed at athletes at many schools. How would you handle it?
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I'm not sure I agree with this point...
The prime argument against paying players has always been about the sanctity of their amateur status,
What about teams that aren’t making huge money off of CFB? What about the Fresno States or Boise States or Southern Miss’s who are having sucess on much smaller budgets than LSU and Auburn are and are barely able to keep up financially as it is?
If the NCAA allowed schools to pay their players $1000, $2000 or $5000 a year you may find that that LSU and Auburn are able to max out their allowed stipends but schools like Southern Miss, Tulane, or heck maybe even a BCS team like Indiana can’t afford it.
Now you are giving players monetary incentives to attend schools with larger athletic budgets. If it wasn’t already tough enough for schools not in a BCS conference, how on earth would paying players help anything?
I agree, the system as it stands today doesn’t seem fair either, but I think it is a more complicated issue than “protecting the sanctity of NCAA atheletes amateur status”. Don’t you?
He makes a good point.
Plus if your going to pay the athletes then you have to do it across the board. You have to be able to pay all the track athletes, swimming, golf, tennis, field hockey, etc, etc,…. (boys and girls). Most colleges could handle the football end but not many could do all the sports. Do you simply tell the other athletes, " Sorry but the pay for play is only for football players"?
On another note. Sentrell Henderson said that he will sign with USC. It has long been believed that he was holding off on signing until after he found out a lil bit more about the NCAA-USC ordeal. If he has decided to sign with them then i suspect he got some favorable news concerning their upcoming sanctions. Lets face it, He could easily go somewhere else and play. If he felt like USC was gonna get hit hard then why sign? It will be interesting to see what happens. Will they get a slap, Apparently Sentrell seems to think so.
Plus if your going to pay the athletes then you have to do it across the board.
Bingo!
You can’t even say you can pay players in “money making sports” because those are different for different schools…
Besides, if there is “extra money floating around”, before we talk about paying players why don’t we think about giving all sports teams a full roster limit of scholarships…
Think about scholarship levels in sports like Baseball. You only get like 12 scholarships to divide among a 35 man roster. Since baseball is generally not a money making sport, most schools can barely afford the 12 scholarships. I’m sure LSU would love for the NCAA to increase the scholarship limit to 20 or 30 because for LSU baseball is a money making sport. But that would pretty much doom smaller market schools like Tulane or Southern Miss who routinely field excellent baseball teams but may not be able to compete if there were more scholarships to go around for the bigger schools.
Damn Junno...
I didn’t even think about that. Your right though. If there is enough extra money around to pay players then why don’t they use that money to add scholarships to the other sports.
The problem is going to be that the NCAA might end up losing money over all this crap. We all know that they will do anything and everything to make sure that doesn’t happen. I’m just wondering what and when they will do something to prevent future problems like the one they are getting sued for now. Its going to be interesting for sure.
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If there is enough extra money around to pay players then why don’t they use that money to add scholarships to the other sports.
or
Cut ticket prices back so fans can actually afford to go to games.
or (heaven forbid)
put some of that money to academics.
Most athletes (not all) are on scholarship which means they are getting paid to go to school. They get paid what every other non scholarship kid is paying to get a college education plus books, plus housing.
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by GumptownTiger on Mar 16, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
This x 1,000,000
There is no reason to pay players. As Jonno stated, you would get near immediate loss of parity amongst the NCAA but you would also have to pay every single player in every single sport, or you are just begging for lawsuits.
I don’t give a damn about paying players. They are getting paid through expensive scholarships while the rest of us have to either achieve academic schollys or pay out of pocket or through student loans. They also get fed for free. If they don’t graduate, then that’s their problem; you have a golden opportunity, GRADUATE DAMMIT!
Ingram is my boy!!
by BamaReturns07 on Mar 16, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait a second...
But MUST we apply the all athletes created equal axiom here? Clearly, all athletes don’t generate revenue for the school equally, and would it be a crime to reward that to some degree? We don’t see a high incidence rate of boosters monkeying with softball and rugby players. Even more to your point, they don’t really attempt to influence baseball that much at most schools, so football and roundball might be the only targets of an intervention of sorts.
The only equality necessary would be to have no difference between conferences or schools. Football players receive the same stipend whether they go to Alabama, USC or Northwest Nobody State. That would level the playing field between the richer prohrams and the rest.
Never before in the field of CFB recruiting, has much much been accomplished by so few, in the face of so many...
by War Eagle Atlanta on Mar 16, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
To this comment:
Clearly, all athletes don’t generate revenue for the school equally, and would it be a crime to reward that to some degree?I still respond with this:
You can’t even say you can pay players in "money making sports" because those are different for different schools…
Also, I think you are missing my point, or I’m missing yours…
The only equality necessary would be to have no difference between conferences or schools. Football players receive the same stipend whether they go to Alabama, USC or Northwest Nobody State. That would level the playing field between the richer prohrams and the rest.Why do you think that Northwest Nobody State would be able to pay their football players the same amount of money as USC? That is my point. If the stipend was set at a very modestly sounding amount of $1000 per year per scholarship football athelete, USC would be able to handle that easily. But Northwest Nobody State may not be able to afford the extra $85,000 per year unless they go play an extra rent-a-win game every year. Oh and by the way, the girls soccer team at Northwest Nobody State was just informed that there wasn’t any budget for uniforms this year. They are playing Skins and Shirts.
So where can we get tickets to the game?
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Mar 17, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
The irony
of my above quoted statement is that NO ONE even knows what the sanctity of amateur status is. The only one that might know is Pete Holiday, but I don’t think he would esplain us.
Never before in the field of CFB recruiting, has much much been accomplished by so few, in the face of so many...
by War Eagle Atlanta on Mar 16, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I've always been told that
you are an amateur when you are born. But then as you get older and smart enough to make grown-up decisions on your own you and someone else buy some birds together which then eat some bees… and BAM you are no longer an amateur and you have a couple of kids of your own.
My memory is a little foggy though….
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