Lebo Death Watch Begins... Now!
What is it with Jeff Lebo and Auburn fans? By every measurable category, he's been a complete disaster as head basketball coach. From the moment he walked in the door and most of his new players walked out the other, Lebo has slowly been dying on the vine. Yet, despite going 35-60 in SEC play over six seasons, fans are perplexed over what athletic director Jay Jacobs should do with Lebo come next Monday.
The idea that his future at Auburn is salvageable has to be mind-boggling to the casual observer. Lebo is like the son that pulls a mid-term F up to a C+ at report card time. You don't know whether to say great job or take his car away from him. This season has been no different.
Failing to feast on the weakest of weak non-conference schedules, Auburn's loss to Alabama Saturday gives Lebo his fourth losing regular season in six tries. Despite winning three of its final five conference games, his squad heads to the SEC Tournament this week sitting at 15-16 overall, 6-10 in the SEC.
By comparison, the man he replaced, Cliff Ellis, won the regular season Big South Conference Championship at Coastal Carolina this year, going 28-6. He lost to Winthrop in the conference tournament Saturday and is headed to the NIT. Cliff's disappointed with the destination. Auburn would be handing out contract extensions and printing up t-shirts for a second consecutive birth in the Big Apple Tournament.
A Lebo encore in 2011 will likely look similar to the previous six. With the loss of five seniors, Auburn will say goodbye next season to 73 percent of its scoring and 59 percent of its rebounding. Can there really be any rational argument for keeping Lebo another year?
It goes without saying that an Auburn football coach would never be given this much rope. A better question is whether even the girls soccer coach would be given this much time to succeed?
When Ellis was relieved of his duties in 2004, after going 14-14 overall and 5-11 in conference play, he carried a record of 119-70 overall and 47-49 in the SEC over the previous six seasons, including a Sweet 16 appearance in 2003.
Granted, NCAA probation played a huge role in his dismissal. Still, it makes you wonder why Auburn officials have waited so long to make a coaching move. Why have they dropped their standards when it comes to basketball, especially with the Auburn Arena opening in a matter of months?
Conventional wisdom says that barring an appearance in the tournament championship game Sunday, Lebo's time on the Plains is coming to a close. He'll be remembered as a coach that got the very most out of his limited talent on the floor. His teams never quit. That endeared him to Auburn fans. Unfortunately, on more nights than not, he showed up to a gun fight with a knife.
You just can't do that and survive in the SEC.
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I'd say more like
pulling an “F” up to a “D”. Lebo seems like a nice guy, but that only goes so far. I kind of felt like this was a sacrificial season from the start – just a way for the administration to get from the old place to the new place without having to stir anything up, and maybe reward the “D”. It’s time to stir it up.
I believe the answer to the question ...
… " What is it with Jeff Lebo and Auburn " is that he is by all reports a nice guy who as you say "got the most out of his limited talent ’. Those of us who have advocated for him to get another year, ( and I am in that group ) believe that if he could get better talent he could get the job done. Former Auburn Coach Sonny Smith has gone on record to say he thought the new arena would be a " big help to Lebo " getting that talent.
However after not finishing the season with winnable games against Ole Miss and Alabama, I think a coaching change is probably expected by even his most ardent supporters. The only hiccup I could see might be his $ 1.5 million dollar buyout in this present economy.
As regards Cliff Ellis’ firing, that is still a coaching change that sticks in my craw. We did not wait till the NCAA completed their investigation and as it turned out Ellis was not implicated. Why we don’t do more to keep successful coaches is the most frustating thing to me. During his last 6 years Ellis had us near the top of the SEC in wins and post season play. He produced NBA players, 2 NIT berths, 3 NCAA berths including 2 sweet 16’s, was SEC coach of the year twice, and the year before his firing his Tigers won the most games ever (29) in the state. He has been a winner everyplace he has been. And he has been the Coach of the Year in 4 different D1 conferences. But now he coaches somewhere esle.
In addition I never could understand why we did not give Sonny Smith more money to try and keep hin after he led us to five straight NCAA appearances. I only hope when Auburn does get a winner like an Ellis, a Smith, or a Mike Anderson, that we will do what it takes to keep them. That is the only way to see AU Basketball be a consistent contender.
aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Lebo is just too small of a fish for a Auburn.
He’s a good coach, but not anywhere near good enough for the better players to warrant taking a chance on committing to AU. If the basketball program is to be turned around it needs to be done with a bigger named, better talented coach.
War Eagle
The only legitimate reason I see
to keep Lebo around is if there is no one better to replace him in the current pool of coaches. I’m not saying there is or isn’t, but that’d be the only reason I can think of right now.
by HarveyBirdmanAAL on Mar 8, 2010 4:13 PM CST reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised to see us hire someone who's had little success at a major program
Think Sidney Lowe at NC State
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Most fans
tend to think we have the same sort of magnetism and drawing power for a round ball coach as we do for the oblong ball. Maybe we are due for someone new. I think Lebo will eventually be a good coach somewhere, but it may not be on the Plains. Since you guys have already buried him, I bid adieu, Jeff.
Never before in the field of CFB recruiting, has much much been accomplished by so few, in the face of so many...
by War Eagle Atlanta on Mar 8, 2010 8:29 PM CST reply actions
I think Danny Manning,
an assistant at Kansas, would be a great hire. He’s had a lot to do with their recruiting success. I think Auburn would be an exciting place to play in the coming years IF we were to get a coach with enthusiasm and know-how. We have state-of-the-art facilities now. No more excuses. I’m glad more people are at least aware of what’s going on with basketball now. I’ve been supporting AU hoops for years and I love basketball here. I would love to see it really be successful again. So tired of people who root for Auburn in football, but root for Duke, UNC, or UK in basketball. It’s just Auburn across the board for me. WDE
"We're at AUBURN. I think that says it all. We're going after the best in the country -- no matter when, what, where, how. That's how we're going to do it. We're going to work really hard to try to get that done every year -- including this one." -- Auburn University Head Football Coach Gene Chizik
Me too ... All Auburn " across the board "... All the time !
aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
ONE MORE YEAR! ONE MORE YEAR! ONE MORE YEAR!
come on, HES EARNED IT
drunk comment of the week: Derek Dooley is like Mike Shula, just not as pathetic
Somebody legitimately suggested that somewhere (may have been here)
I just shook my head
Steve Alford for AU basketball coach!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Let me cut you guys off right now...
First of all there are decent coaches out there that Auburn could hire to help turn the basketball program around and turn it into at least a formidable opponent in the SEC. A guy like Danny Manning would have instant street-cred as they say and with the new arena the recruits would start coming in I think. Fran McCaffery doesn’t seem like a bad choice either. I really think he could at least get the Tigers going in the right direction. I know the guy at Providence has a stout contract, but we really might want to look at grabbing him anyway. If we keep Lebo, he might be a good acquisition later.
Though I realize it’s another guy in that same area, Tom Pecora might not be a bad decision either. The man gets it done on the court and brings home wins along with tournament appearances. Something, that we haven’t had here at all really with Lebo’s stint. In addition, the guy can recruit. Hell I could even see us doing well with Jeff Jones for that matter. Still, I’m sure we’ll get some cheap contract on a coach that’s had moderate success as a head coach at best. That’s our AD’s motto it seems.
UGA did last year and Mizzou upped his contract
Shoulda grabbed him when we grabbed Lebo
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 10, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
First of all......
everyone knows that I have been in the camp of “give him one more year” and I havent changed that stance. Lebo has “coincidentally” tallied his first good recruiting class to come in for the inaugural year of the new arena……..if Lebo is canned you can kiss that class goodbye. Let’s face it in terms of who we are and have been historically as a basketball program we are more like Ole Miss on the gridiron……we are not a destination job and have in our history rarely been successful on a national level or even in the conference. Yes we enjoyed great success (for AU) under Sonny and a modicum of success (by anyones standards) under Ellis…..but let’s not forget who we are are we about to fire David Cutcliffe for Ed Oregeron? And unless AU is ready to throw some serious football salary like numbers at the Basketball program that is exactly what you’re going to get. And who out there thinks that Jay Jacobs and the “powers that be” are going to go after and be successful in bringing in a homerun candidate? If you answered positively to that question go to the doctor now and get your meds updated. As for all of you saying that we should have hired Mike Anderson 6 years ago….yes I can’t disagree that would have been the better hire…..but he won’t come to AU now unless it’s for a “Godfather” contract…an offer he can’t refuse (never happen). All of this means that you are left with at best a middle of the road contract offer to another relatively unknown midmajor coach which is what we got with Lebo. So rather than a lateral trade at this point give Lebo one more season and his good class and new arena to see if he can do better with better depth and talent.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I concur ...
… your analogy of " about to fire David Cutcliff for Ed Oregeron " pretty much sums up the situation.
aubtigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
by aubtigerman on Mar 10, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I completely disagree
Took Ole Miss to the postseason every season except two (one of which he went 7-4 and somehow got blocked out by 6-5 Alabama that they beat). Lebo has failed to take Auburn to the postseason every season except one. I don’t see how anyone can justify keeping a coach that has had one postseason trip in six seasons. I wanted to fire him two years ago!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 10, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
And you have that much faith in Jacobs to go out and hire someone better?
We definitely completely disagree if you do.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Can't hire someone much worse
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 10, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe ...
… that Jay Jacobs has yet to hire a men’s BB coach at AU.
I believe Jeff Lebo was hired by former baseball coach Hal Baird … who was AU’s de facto AD in the aftermath of the coup de grâce that took out Auburn’s sitting AD & President.
We do know, however, that Jacobs (and other ‘Auburn officials’) have apparently “dropped their standards when it comes to basketball” … because it says so right on this forum.
Of course, back a year ago, you could have read all about how Jay Jacobs (and other ‘Auburn officials’) were dropping their standards when it comes to football, on this forum.
I’m with you Legend, maybe it would be advisable to wait and see how this thing plays out. I’m just saying.
I don't recall anyone....
ever saying that Jay Jacobs had dropped his standards exactly……I do remember everyone saying WTF…..since the hiring of Chizik was completely a blindsiding event and perplexing not only to the members of this site but of every single chat room, blog site, sports news outlet, water cooler, office, buddhist temple, ice fishing hut, igloo, pygmy tribe, and bedouin herders tent. Now as I stated as soon as the shock of his hiring was over and many times since….Chizik has my support until he proves he doesn’t derserve it or he shows he is incapable of doing the job. But that still doesn’t mean that Jay Jacobs isn’t the buffoon we all have thought him to be since day one of his taking the A.D. job……and it doesn’t mean Jacobs can and will hire a better coach for Lebo’s replacement. I also don’t recall ever seeing anyone pin Lebo’s hiring on Jacobs (to be honest I had thought it was Housel). All I am saying is that AU has always put a low priority on basketball and has never spent the kind of money it would take to lure a known commodity of a coach to AU………and if you aren’t going to move forward with a hire then why are you moving at all…….a lateral move at this point is a bad as a step backwards because you’re stuck with your lateral move for 4 years or more. Keep Lebo one more year and see what happens and whats the worse thing that can happen….another year of mediocrity and then we hire an unknown?
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I wouldn't be so sure.....
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I guess we could hire someone with ZERO postseason appearances in six seasons
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 10, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
As I stated above....
that unless you are going after a coach that is proven (and I doubt that is the case) we don’t lose anything by giving Lebo his another year with his first good recruiting class and the new arena. If we hire another mediocre coach we are stuck with him for at least 4 years…….Lebo only 1. Unless he shows that the new arena does make that big a difference and turns the program in the right direction…..then everyones happy. My only knock on Lebo is and has been recruiting…..that, IMO, is the only difference between AU getting to the dance or not in the past few years. Lebo is an excellent coach and I want to see what he can do with more talent…..next year would be that chance.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I think we're going to be terrible next year regardless of the coach
We’re losing six seniors from this year’s team, and we suck this year. It’s all about upside. When we hired Lebo, he was coming off of two postseason-less seasons at Chattanooga. Before that, he had one trip to the NIT in four seasons at Tennessee Tech. That’s not good.
Look at Bruce Pearl at Tennessee, for instance. He had incredible success in D-II, then took a job at UW-Milwaukee. In his four seasons there, he made two trips to the big dance (one of which included a trip to the sweet sixteen) and another trip to the NIT.
I know it’s not as simple as just looking at records and postseason trips, but when hiring a head coach, I would advise against hiring someone with one trip to the NIT in his six seasons as a head coach (Hmm…Jeff Lebo, regardless of where he is, averages one trip to the NIT every six seasons). Look for coaches who took over moribund mid-major programs and turned them around and took them to the NCAAs. Or, look for someone who was pretty successful at a big program but wasn’t successful enough for that program (think Mike Davis or Tubby Smith). We don’t have to win a national championship every year. But going to the postseason (only the NIT) once in six years isn’t good enough for me, and it shouldn’t be good enough for Auburn.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 11, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
I am not in any way, shape, or form.....
saying that going to the NIT once in six years is good enough for me or AU. But at the same time you have to recognize that AU is not now nor when Lebo took over considered a good Basketball job. The dysfunction at the top of the food chain, the history, the fact that we are a Football school, the now defunct facilities and the location of the school have all contributed to AU’s problems on the Basketball court and the inability to hire a good coach….even an up’n comer from a good midmajor. We had an opportunity to get Mike Anderson 6 years ago despite all of this and the POB dropped the ball…..even that, right or wrong, has left AU Basketball with a little more tarnish on it. No one can argue that AU under Lebo has flourished and I certainly wouldn’t try……but at the same time I know that the only point in which I see Lebo as having a significant short-coming as a coach has been in his recruiting…….which facilities has played a fairly large part. I doubt Tubby Smith would even give AU anything past a courtesy call to turn us down if he were offered a salary comparable to what he recieves now (never happen) and Mike Davis by most accounts has underachieved at UAB and is on the hotseat as we speak (possible lateral move if he were to come) and could be terminated if UAB doesn’t make the show. You don’t really believe that AU will rank high enough in the pecking order to pull one of the better Midmajor coaches once the coaching carousel begins do you? I sure as hell don’t. Because AU doesn’t have the administrative support or at least is percieved that way and has no fan support to speak of and isn’t near enough to a larger population to fill the seats even in a downsized arena unless the students come out and we know that won’t happen unless AU wins and wins consistantly…..even during the Sonny Smith days tickets were easy to get and rarely sold out. So again if we are only going to make a lateral move and every indication including history says we are…..what harm are we doing in allowing Lebo to have a chance in the new arena with his first good recruiting class?
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I wasn't saying we should go after Tubby or Davis
I was saying if such a coach were to become available, we could go after them. (Like, when Tubby was available after “retiring” from UK, Minny snatched him up)
Do you think Georgia ranked that high in the pecking order last year? They landed Fox from Nevada, who was seen as an up-and-comer.
And the logic of “might as well give Lebo one more year” doesn’t work, because when he inevitably has another bad-to-mediocre year next year, we’ll be in the same position. It’s circular until he only wins 8 games or something like that. If we’re ever going to pull the plug on him, it might as well be now.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 11, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, we are further down the pecking order than UGA.....
in basketball. Truth hurts but it is what it is. UGA had in the short term just won an SEC championship and over their history they have had more success than us and have been able to hire good coaches. And I disagree that we will be in the same place…..we will have at least one good recruiting class with a year under their belt and the new arena will have hopefully bolstered some attendance and the student population hopefully will find some interest in going to games. Which means if it doesn’t work maybe at the very least it won’t seem like such an uphill battle and we will know for certain that we gave the man a chance at a race without one leg being tied down. And whether you like my analogy about us being comparible to Ole Miss in football……it fits.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Minnesota snatched up Tubby with a competitive salary.....
that fits a championship winning coach…..do you really believe AU will spend that kind of money?
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Further
Let’s say we fire Lebo, and hire someone who does at least as bad as him, if not worse. I can’t imagine ever saying to myself, “Man, I miss Jeff Lebo, we shoulda kept him.”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Mar 11, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
No but I can imagine all of us wishing we could get rid of him...
faster than the 4 or 5 years it would take to do it.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
Yes Todd...
you are saying that one appearance to the post season and that being the form of the NIT is good enough for Auburn. If you weren’t, then you wouldn’t be screaming to keep Lebo.
No Sparkey I'm not.....
I’m saying that we won’t go after and get a coach like JD wants this year unless Jay Jacobs does the unthinkable…….offer a better than attractive contract amount for a basketball coach. And I’m saying that we have nothing to lose by waiting one more year and seeing how much difference the new arena makes in recruiting and perception as well as allowing Lebo to coach his incoming class.
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU
I' ve always wanted to give Lebo another shot
However I would be pleased but surprised to see him retained.
by PineMtTiger on Mar 10, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
The only way Jacobs hires another Roundball Coach...
Is if one were to suddenly appear, and have an interest in Auburn. Someone like The Rifleman..
http://wareagleextra.blogspot.com/2010/03/sec-legend-chuck-person-speaks-wouldnt.html
I would think it would take serious money to get any respectable basketball coach. The question is will Auburn spend the money?
Question number two is, has Lebo been promised another year, the first in the new arena? I could see the powers that be thinking the old B/E being a deterrent to recruiting. Jacobs has said so himself. So, why wouldn’t he promise Lebo another year, especially after he pulled in his best recruiting class this past time.
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I hate to keep beating this dead horse
But from my position, I can’t see why the “first good recruiting class” argument has any weight at all. Maybe I’m missing something, but isn’t the basketball coach supposed to recruit well? Why should he be rewarded for doing what he is supposed to be doing the whole time when he has been completely sub-par for the other five years that he has been here. In my opinion it shouldn’t take that long to get your first good class. Using Lebo’s body of work, this class seems more and more like a fluke.
It is not a "reward" for doing what he should be doing.....
but rather recognition of what factor beyond his control handicapped his success at it. If I am a good basketball player on a recruiting trip and I come in and see an AU conference game with two or three thousand in attendance at a run down facility am I impressed in the least? And, do you really think thats not a big factor?
I would have gone to bammer if my grades hadn't been good enough to go to AU

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