Decision Time for Auburn Coaching Staff
Rarely in life do things go as planned. The exception appears to be this Auburn football season. So far everything has gone about like the pundits predicted. Take away last week's win at South Carolina and Auburn is following the road map to .500 football.
Now Auburn coaches face the inevitable fork in the road. We suspected the time was coming. The question is simple to ask, yet hard to answer. What does Auburn do about its quarterback situation?
The easy way out is to pile on starter Barrett Trotter. But if you watched Saturday's loss at Arkansas you know Auburn's offensive troubles are far more complicated than one person. The reality facing this offensive unit is obvious. They lack the experience to compete at the top levels of the SEC this season.
The truth hurts.
Things are not going to magically change in the coming weeks. Auburn caught a break in beating Miss State and South Carolina - teams that were far less than advertised in the preseason. The same may hold true when Florida comes visiting Saturday night.
Coaches must now answer the question of who best can lead Auburn to wins over Florida, Ole Miss, Samford and Georgia. The other two contests are seemingly out of reach. Let's be honest.
There's little doubt that freshman Kiehl Frazier is the quarterback of the future; but as witnessed Saturday night, that time may not be now. Do you stick with an experienced by comparison Trotter who clearly lacks the skills to be a top flight SEC quarterback or do you give the keys to Frazier today and take your lumps the rest of the way?
Another option is to give scout team legend Clint Moseley a shot. Is that wise heading into games with Florida and LSU? Does it matter? The final choice is to continue the dizzying rotation of Trotter and Frazier in hopes that it'll keep defenses off balance. With six weeks worth of film to watch, the effectiveness of such schemes will likely diminish.
What can't be lost in the debate is who'll catch the passes. With DeAngelo Benton and Quindarious Carr failing to live up to the hype, Auburn needs someone other than Phillip Lutzenkirchen to be its downfield threat.
Emory Blake's return this week is far more important than who plays quarterback. Those inside the program say it's 50/50 at best that he'll play against Florida. Trovon Reed's status also remains unclear.
At yesterday's press conference, Auburn coach Gene Chizik remained committed to Trotter - sort of.
"Today, Barrett Trotter is our starting quarterback," said Chizik. "Obviously we'll spend all day today, we'll spend all day tomorrow evaluating all of our positions on our team just like we do every Sunday and every Monday. And we'll go from there. But today, Barrett Trotter is our starting quarterback."
That's hardly a ringing endorsement.
At the end of the day, Chizik and offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn's options appear to be limited. Clearly, Frazier is not yet ready to take on SEC defenses through the air. Trotter is no threat to run the football and his passing is not much better. For now, his experience probably tips the scale in his favor - barely.
A loss to Florida and LSU in the coming weeks may mark the end of his career as a starting quarterback. That's a decision for another day.
My guess is we'll see more of the same this weekend. Look for a heavy dose of Michael Dyer with a sprinkle of Onterio McCalebb and Tre Mason for good measure. Malzahn will throw only when he has to against the Gators.
It may work or it may not.
At this point, what's a better option? That's an answer best determined by someone way above my pay grade.
Good luck coach!
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Kiehl Frazier
… has been widely anointed as the quarterback of the future. Perhaps that’s a rush to judgment. How about Zeke Pike? He’s 6’5"/220 and happens to be carrying a 3.6 GPA. Rivals rates him as the number 4 rated quarterback in the country.
Ever wonder why God painted a beautiful sky blue and a breathtaking sunset orange?
I purposely waited on the week to get here to comment. BTW, good read Jay.
Looking back, I haven’t seen Trotter be the SEC caliber guy we need at anytime this season. He’s had his moments for sure but they were just that, moments.
Keihl Frazier is obviously not the answer right now either. I don’t think he is as bad as showed Saturday throwing the ball, but he can’t be too much better. I think he was set up to fail Saturday. Trotter couldn’t do anything yet again and the coaches leaned on KF a little too much a little too quickly.
Trotter had some dropped passes for sure, but overall he hesitates too much with his reads, he makes TERRIBLE decisions under pressure (panics), and he stares down receivers almost as worse as KF did in his two INT’s Saturday.
I’ll post more later, but I have been very very disappointed with Trotter’s play. I know we have other issues, but now we know why AU went after Russel Wilson so hard. We had nobody waiting in the wings.
War Eagle! Beat Florida!
War Eagle
The coaches have seen these guys at every practice. They have been putting the QBs in situations where they have to make throws, as well as decisions in check downs and defensive coverages. The fans have only seen what happens during games.
When Frazier plays, it is clear the coaches know the speed of the game puts a lot of stress on the young QB which affects not only his passing ability, but also his decision making. It is one thing to throw a dart. It is another thing to throw a dart when there are two defenders close enough to your receiver to make the play. Plus it takes an experienced eye to SEE the defenders and know which ones are close enough to make a play. Meanwhile you’re being bumrushed by defenders who intend to crush your spine.
Trotter seems to be at a crossroads right now as far as his confidence. Todd went through the same thing in 2009. He’d play pretty good for a few games and then have a melt down. The coaches stayed with Todd, over vociferous pleas for Kodi, and the team went on to a respectable season. We seem to be in a similar QB situation now.
I will trust the coaches to assess their talent and make the best decision.
If they intend to play more Frazier, however, they need to expand his menu of plays. Putting in the option would be a nice addition. Right now they have him running QB draws with an abbreviated option in that he makes one quick defensive check and either keeps or hands off to one of the backs.
We really need to beat Florida. It is a winnable game, but it will take a top effort, not an experiment in progress. That’s what practice is for.
In a way the rest of the season is experiment in progress.
Let’s face it, we are playing for next year. I’m not being pessimistic, but it’s time to start working on some things for next year,
War Eagle
Amen
Way too far across the stream to be changing horses just yet. The team played poorly, but it was far from a blowout, despite the score. The defense was put into some hard field positions by miscues on the offense, and made some mistakes themselves, but overall it was much improved from earlier in the year.
So we lost to the third best team in the West. It was about what we expected from this year, isn’t it? Florida and Georgia seem winnable, LSU and Bama not so much, but there is still a chance (after 2002, I won’t ever count Auburn out of the Iron Bowl). Old Miss and Samford at appropriate times in the schedule and we could still pull out a respectable 8-4 season and a January 2 bowl game.
Hey, I am not saying Trotter is the answer. If the coaches think Mosley has his head screwed on tight and would be a better gamble, I’m fine with that. We’re at the point where we have to look at all the options.
You could see that in the Arkansas game when the play was long down the middle. That’s a gamble, desperate really. But we needed a big play and we were going to lose without one so they took the shot. We had no choice.
If they start Trotter and he passes as poorly as he did at Arky, Mosley might get his chance.
The Team Goal should now be to get Bowl eligible
That extra 2-3 weeks of practice that goes with a bowl is invaluable to the growth of a young team.
You can’t put all of this on Trotter but he clearly isn’t Johnny Unitas. The under throw on the flea-flicker was sad.
I’m not so sure that Kiehl Frazier didn’t get more “minutes” this week because it was a homecoming game for him, and they thought maybe he’d have a big game because of that. He’s clearly not quite ready-runs great, looks slow on the release on passes.
Wonder why Dyer was on the field and getting carries with less than 3 minutes in a blowout?
How about Ladarius Phillips, give him some carries-at least get the crowd excited.
Tre Mason is gonna be a star. Dee Benton-not so much. Kid misses a pass, but then goes and sits on the bench like he wants to cry. Buck up, kid.
Cut the penalties in half and we’re still in that game. How many 1st and 20’s did we have? You can’t expect Trotter to play “behind the chains” all night. This team is built on making first downs one after another, hard to do when you have to go 20 all the time.
I don’t worry about out “D” as much as I did.
Just random thought….
All I know is that I'm happy to not be the one (or one of the one's) making this decision today.
The receivers though—aren’t just failing at catching balls; they are not making their blocks. You guys want more lanes open?? Start with the blockedy blocks! Talking about Tight End magic, Lutzie had a miserable day. Uncharacteristic yes, but none of our qb’s are getting into rhythm which affects everyone.
I voted for Mosely. Not that I want to bag on Trotter and not that I don’t have confidence that Frazier can’t learn. BUT, whatever we are doing isn’t working. Adjustments that Trotter is trying to make aren’t working. Frankly, if I were the coaches, I would have an open discussion with the players-compare what they say to game tape and make the decision accordingly. I trust our coaches, even with our seemingly tenuous qb situation.
And Announcers, Cam Newton doesn’t live here anymore. He’s doing awesomesauce things in the NFL. Obviously you try, but you can’t compare anyone to Cam Newton, he’s an awesome freak of nature, and it’s not fair to anyone! Knock it off!!
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 10, 2011 8:42 AM CDT reply actions
Team isn't very far away....
You know you are overmatched when you get pushed around from the get go and you aren’t competitive during the “talent” portion of the game, which is the 1st Quarter. You scheme, plan and practice for what you see on film. If you are competitive in that portion of the game, it means you have the talent to execute the plan. After that, its about the coaches making adjustments, finding weakeness and calling the right plays…..and hopefully you get execution. I think its pretty clear that we have the guys to compete but once the opposition makes adjustments to our deficiencys on offense, Malzahn doesn’t have an answer.
To me, Trotter is getting worse and worse, and that is because the opposition has the book on him and they know what his tendencies are and he has not or can not adjust. He locks on his primary receiver and waits…..and waits….and waits for him to get open until he throws the ball. I saw several examples of other receivers running wide open and Trotter didn’t even look at them… or can’t see them. I just don’t know if Trotter’s poor field vision can be fixed. With the defense be solidly stacked to stop the run, Trotter should have no trouble finding someone to thow to but he does. Of course to do that you need to put him in situations where he will be successful, having him throw on 2nd and 3rd and long almost guarantees failure. As is, Trotter isn’t a threat to run or throw, and that is killing us.
Mosely is an unknown, but the mere fact he has not seen the field in blow out losses when we have to throw the ball, says volumes.
Frazier has great athletic gifts, and makes the defense respect his ability to run, and not key on OMac or Dyer. That alone makes him a better option than Trotter. I think if he gets his reps in with the receivers and builds some repor with them, I think he could progress quickly, given that he knows the system. He needs to adjust to the speed of the SEC and the only way to do that …..is get experience.
One thing I will say is that I hate the 2 headed QB. I don’t think it is fair to either QB when they are running on and off the field. You can’t afford to have your QB be uncomfortable with his role or they will press…..and I think that is what we are seeing. Trotter knows unless he steps it up, it is a matter of time before Frazier takes over and you can see he is not handling that pressure well. Frazier knows he isn’t being trusted to throw the ball or make decisions, and he is trying not to make mistakes…..which normally leads to mistakes in my experience. One way or the other I think you have to pick a guy and stick with him and hope for the best….but in my opinion Frazier is the guy you have to go with.
Much like Matt Stafford’s freshman year, he was being spoon fed along until it was clear the year was lost and they handed the reigns to the freshman. By the end of the year he was rolling. I think it is time to do that with Frazier. With Trotter, we may be able to pull out a win vs. Florida, but we will have a tough time scoring against LSU. The same could be said of Frazier should he play. The main difference is that Frazier appears to have an upside for the end of the year that Trotter does not possess. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t know if I want to be at this same point in two weeks, with two more losses and without Frazier getting much needed big game experience.
Its better to take the medicine now and hope we get better.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
I'm with the Col.
I need a cold shower and a copy of the Auburn Creed
I couldn't have said this better myself
At some point you have to start thinking about the future. Trotter CLEARLY is not an SEC QB. Sure, we might stand a slightly better chance at beating Florida with Trotter at QB. But what about the next week against LSU? And then Bama? It terrifies me to think about going into death valley without changing anything offensively.
If Frazier is truly our QB of the future (and most of us can agree that he is) then we have to let him play. Sure, he will probably struggle at first, but how else can you expect him to adjust to playing at the college level? Additionally, Frazier could not be much worse than Trotter is right now. People are acting as if Frazier “struggling” as he learns to play at this level would be a disaster… have you guys been watching Trotter out there? He looks completely outmatched and lost. In my opinion, his “experience” has proven to be a non-factor.
Anyways, war damn!
I believe in Auburn and love it.
by War_damn_eagle on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
This is it, make no mistake aboooutt it.
You nailed it Col.
The reality is that Auburn competes in one of the toughest sports in the world and within its toughest conference. Your success and failure is determined by championships. That’s it. Championships. The nat’l title has been out of the window and the chances of an SEC title are slim to none and slim is done packing and waiting at bus stop.
Time to prepare for the very bright future we have. Let Frazier learn the speed of the game against the fastest and the best.
War Eagle
I was going to post but I can not say it better than Col.Angus just did
I just hope they erect the Saban statue/altar/shrine before he leaves
Trotter needs help
Yes he has struggled but it was easy to see that holding penalties and dropped balls were the difference Saturday.
I'm just not that worried.
As many have pointed out—some for months, others for a few weeks—the recruitment of Wilson was indeed a strong signal, readable to those willing to open their eyes (mine were covered in sand). Given what I think we all recognize now, it seems clear to me that the coaches have known since the spring that Kyle Frazier, if not the starter, would be getting tons of game-reps by the end of the season. That part of things can be no surprise to the coaches.
Other things were not necessarily so foreseeable. After the first two weeks, I don’t see how any reasonable person could have thought the passing game could possibly be where it is right now. Obviously the overlapping injuries to Blake and Reed have been brutal. And Trotter has, even after all of the proper discounting, clearly regressed.
But big-picture, I just don’t see any reason to panic. We’ve seen from Frazier as much as or more than any fan could have reasonably hoped for. He’s already an excellent runner, and he has the requisite arm-strength to be successful at this level. He just needs more reps so that the game slows down for him. That will come, just not on fast-forward like we would prefer.
While no pushover, Saturday night’s game is one that the Tigers should win. Florida has shown on consecutive weeks that they are not strong against the run. Auburn should be able to run the ball effectively again this week. And between a week of TrooperHell and the friendly confines of JHS, we should see far fewer penalties and drops. If Auburn isn’t putting themselves behind the chains, Malzahn can do what he’s always planned to do, which is to continue to gradually expand Frazier’s reps and responsibilities, without the pressure of being the starter and all of the tough reads and downfield throws that come with it.
If the good guys win Saturday night as I expect they will, we’ll be looking at 5-3 through October, a situation almost all of us would have eagerly taken at the beginning of the season. Frazier should continue to mature and have his playbook expanded, Trotter should get at least Blake back, and our largely forgotten offensive line should continue to get better at pass protection. As long as every stays even-kEEled, that’s going to spell an improvement in the passing game, barring something(s) else unforeseen. And I haven’t even mentioned the defense, which is clearly getting better now, and in a hurry.
As rough as things looked in the second half Saturday night, there is a whole lot to be excited about in looking at the rest of this season. Assuming we can get out of Red Stick in one piece, that gives us Ole Miss and Samford plus an off week, to get everything squared up for Amen Corner. Eight-and-four is in my mind not just a possibility, but a likelihood. And after 2009, I’ll never chalk up a game against Alabama.
Today’s dominant theme seems to be, “Maybe it’s time for the future to start right now.” But it looks to me like the future is coming at a quick-enough pace already, and we just need to let it get here on its and the coaching staff’s terms.
WDE.
by calltheobvious on Oct 10, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
Starting Frazier starts to look like chucking in the rest of the season.
Is that right?
Barring a pretty massive upset or change in circumstances, nobody except for Alabama or LSU will beat Alabama or LSU. Other than that, Auburn should beat Ole Miss and Samford. Florida and Georgia are the swing games, and they are two games that Auburn could win. 8-4 is a reasonable ceiling, 6-6 is a reasonable floor.
Against Florida, I got to think that Trotter gives you the best chance to win: he’s less likely to make a big mistake. The UGA game is farther away, so Frazier could be ready by then. But still, UGA has played pretty strong defense this year against teams not from Boise.
Weird as it seems, I would think that Auburn should start Trotter against Florida, UGA, the Nutters, and Samford. Play Frazier in the games you’re not likely to win and in games that are already wrapped up. His upside gives you a better chance against the elite teams.
To answer your question:
I. Don’t. Know. But I do know that there is no way that Auburn (team, fans) is chucking the rest of the season!
IMO, any big changes at qb, which includes naming Frazier starter, would create unease and not stability. (And I’m not knocking Frazier for the interceptions-it’s hard to get into a rhythm with random snaps throughout the game.) Again, I’m glad that I’m not the one making these kinds of decisions. I would like to think that the coaches have options on how to make this situation better.
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 10, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure I would expect team chemistry to be hurt by Frazier starting.
Remember the VAST majority of our starters are Sophomores and Freshmen. If they aren’t going to Atlanta this year, they want to go there next year or the year after that. Frazier is one of them, and gives them the best opportunity at a championship in the future. I know they will support Barret, but I think even Barrett would tell you he hasn’t earned the right not to be challenged. Has he done enough to lose it? No, but the reality is that an opposing DC has to scheme…ie, alter the gameplan, which is to contain Dyer/Omac…… to stop Frazier. That is something I don’t think they have to do for Trotter.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
TOTM...
You are never for changing anything at Auburn from what I’ve seen since you’ve been on here. I do love your loyalty and devotion, but I am much more willing to toss someone out who isn’t getting the job done. In this case, you may or may not have a point. I’m with you on the idea that I don’t know if we should stick with Trotter or start now with Frazier. The last thing I want is for Frazier to end up as a wide receiver his junior and senior season. That said, he is our future if he does get better. If he doesn’t get better, Auburn is in trouble for at least 2-3 years until Pike gets ready to take over. I have to think one of those two guys will be as good as advertised. I have my concerns about a running quarterback highly rated out of Arkansas. The last time that happened we ended up with Chris Todd and his cement shoes. I still think I could take him in a foot race.
The coaches have to keep Frazier’s confidence up and not let early troubles defeat him like they did Kodi Burns. That was painful to watch for Burns, but the young man showed a great deal of heart and determination. We need Frazier next season and we need him to be good not just serviceable. By Khiel’s Junior season, Auburn should be competing for championships if not next season. Honestly, I see no reason why we shouldn’t have a shot in Atlanta next season. If we have Joe Whitt Jr. or Kevin Greene, I fully expect Auburn to make it to Atlanta with either one of those guys at Defensive Coordinator.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
I agree with this
I’m all about loyalty – I love Auburn no matter what. They could go 0-12 and I would still watch every second of every game. With that said, that doesn’t mean that I won’t question decisions being made. In fact, I think we’re all entitled to these types of opinions because we’re all dedicated fans who share the same love for Auburn.
TOTM, you mentioned that making a change at QB at this point would create unease and instability.. Do you think there is a whole lot of stability right now? As Col. Angus said, the vast majority of our team is comprised of sophomores and freshman who haven’t been here long. In other words, the team chemistry is still developing. Also, from what I’ve seen, it kind of looks like there is a whole lot more chemistry with Frazier out there.
I believe in Auburn and love it.
by War_damn_eagle on Oct 10, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey guys, I'm not opposed to change.
Seriously. I just want it to be made intelligently, versus a stupid visceral gut reaction, which might seem like a quick fix: hence, this statement:
I would like to think that the coaches have options on how to make this situation better.
If we continue to go with the exact same scheme, that’s the coaches saying ‘uncle’ and giving up on the rest of the season. I don’t really see that happen, do you?
One last thing: SPARKEY, Roof’s D has improved leaps and bounds and you still want him tossed out on his ass. Really? Just admit that it is something personal that you have against him and not just his coaching……
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 11, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's Roof...
I think it’s Chizik that has improved the difference and I do buy into the friction between the two.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
Recruiting...
I think that’s a major part of a coach’s ability. I don’t see Roof as a great recruiter at all. The last two years has featured Alabama getting all of the state’s major defensive recruits except for a select few exceptions. They are out recruiting Auburn massively on the defensive side of the ball. The loss of Tracey Rocker is also bigger than anybody wants to admit as well. Pelton was at one time a very good coach. It’s way too soon to say how he is one way or the other right now. I have to be convinced to think a certain way through a body of work and Pelton got started with a horribly young defensive line. I just don’t think Roof has what it takes overall. The only thing personal I have against him is that he’s not one of the best. If you had to choose between Kirby Smart or Ted Roof who would you take? I would take Smart hands down and I suspect most on here would do the same. I want a guy that at least makes it a competition.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
I think you want LSU to break Frazier in half before he gets to Athens!
I don’t know if Frazier can win these winnable games but I do know that the offense responds better with him at QB. They move the ball and are less predicatable. In fact playing him everydown would make them even LESS predictable since he normally runs the ball when he comes in. They can’t key on Dyer/ Omac when he’s at QB. When Trotter is in, the defense collapses on the running back…..or watches Trotter force a pass into coverage.
Trotter is definitely the safe choice if you want to go to B’Ham for the Papa Johns Bowl……Frazier is the choice if you want to go to Atlanta SEC Game in 2012.
Since I’m busy on Dec. 19th, I’ll go with Frazier
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
More variance
Trotter is a known quantity whose playing pretty close to his ceiling. Frazier has the higher ceiling for sure, but is likely going to be pretty up-and-down. He might win some that Trotter couldn’t, but he also might lose some that Trotter could win. He’ll make things less predictable, but that variance could be either up or down.
It’ll be interesting to see. I’m sure you guys will give us all we want, no matter who takes snaps.
by first and thom on Oct 10, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Where you been?
Left unchecked by the presence of an actual Georgia fan, I’ve begun getting a bit chippy about them when I write.
(Seriously, though, it’s good to have your perspective back in the conversation.)
"The ball will be spotted at the six-inch-yardline."
sometimes life gets in the way of the internet.
But I hear this new Matrix thing will make it easier for me to spend more time online. It sounds like a lot of fun, and what could possibly go wrong?
by first and thom on Oct 10, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Very True
Its very easy for me to say “Play Frazier!!”, without knowing he WILL progress. Do I want to sacrifice potential wins against Florida, Ole Miss and UGA?? No I don’t, but right now I just don’t see Trotter pulling them off either.
In a perfect world, Barret would settle down, make good reads, and throw the ball without loading up on it like he was trying to throw it through a brick wall, and Frazier would be a change of pace, RED ZONE QB. Thats what I want, but Barrett is kind of forcing our hand by not progressing.
Hopefully we can have a game like we did against USC, where we play field position and don’t have a lot of drive killing penalties. That would really help put Trotter in a better position to be successful.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
A lot of winning is staying alive...
… and that’s something that Trotter can do. Of course, kicking tail is also part of winning, and it doesn’t seem like Trotter does a whole lot of that. (I mean no respect to him: he’s done well on his part to captain Auburn to 4-2 – it could easily be 2-4).
A lot turns on how you think you guys will fare against your remaining slate without making a change. I guess that’s why they pay the coaches big bucks.
by first and thom on Oct 10, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think some sort of change is necessary...
how drastic that change is and how it affects everybody, who knows. But like you said, that’s why they pay the coaches the big bucks.
Glad to see you again!
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 11, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
It's good to be around.
I’ll be rooting for y’all on Saturday.
by first and thom on Oct 11, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
not sure we can expect any more significant development from Trotter... time is NOW to make a move.
team needs a spark just to be competitive in 4 of the next 6.
bottom line is…we’re 1/2 way through the season and trotter just isn’t making it happen.
goes without saying we can’t blame him for all of it, but really he hasn’t had a good game for over 1/2 the season. that would be enough for me if i were the coach.
frazier provided a spark at WC QB against SC.
continued to play well in that role against Arky.
=
decision 1: keep Frazier as run threat, hand-off/run gimmick to keep Ds wondering.
decision 2: if Mosley is really the #2 QB… I think it is time he get his chance. the time is NOW… do it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jaylon Denson and/or CJ Uzomah get snaps at WR this saturday.
Also… in Trovon Reed’s absence… Quan Bray hasn’t done anything. Working the slot would be another option for CJ Uzomah.
I do think that Tre Mason could get worked in for some touches on pass plays out of the backfield. In terms of consistent offensive production… we really only have Dyer, O-Mac, and Frazier running the ball. … and O-Mac catching the ball on screens.
if we can’t get a couple guys to pass and catch a 10-15 yard pass we’re going to have to line up Ladarius Phillips in the backfield every play and try to outman every D we face upfront for 3-3.5 yds / play.
you do it and you wipe it up.
I'm with you...
Trotter isn’t getting any better. I was hoping that he had gotten his confidence back after that late pass against South Carolina. Instead, he’s gotten steadily worse. He throws the ball as hard as he can on screens and he waits way too long while he’s in the pocket. There is something else about Trotter that bothers me the most: He is not a good field general. He doesn’t make anybody better while he’s out there. He’s defeated and everybody knows that. I’m not sure if he takes it personally that Frazier is getting snaps or what. I wish I and the coaches knew what it was, but nobody including Trotter knows what’s bothering him. I’m not sure that the attempt to get Wilson didn’t destroy Trotter and Mosley’s psyche. Whatever it is, Trotter seems to have no leadership capability. When Frazier steps in, the team immediately seems to start playing harder. He seems to have that personality that can get more out of his teammates. Trotter seems to make it harder on his teammates unfortunately.
At this point, I’d like to see Moseley take a shot at it. And, don’t tell me about this rotating quarterback thing hurts our guys from getting a rhythm. The fact that they can’t complete a pass is what is hurting our quarterback’s confidence. Trotter could’ve used our receivers catching all of those drops as well. That part is not his fault, but unfortunately I think what confidence he had left is now gone. The team just does not rally around him at all and it needs a shot in the arm. Trotter is done watch and see. He will not have a good season.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
Nailed it
I am actually shocked to find so many people on here that are pushing for Trotter to stay as the starting QB. As you stated Sparkey, the offense looks so much better with Frazier out there… and it’s not even close. I would understand keeping Trotter as the starter if he knew how to manage a game and actually played like he had some experience – this just is not the case. It’s time to let Frazier play. To all the people who say that Frazier is going to make mistakes as he adjusts to playing at this level: would it really be that much worse than Trotter? Trotter hasn’t shown me he can do anything to win a game. I would much rather play the “future” of our program who at least has the ability to make some big plays than a guy who has reached his ceiling. I don’t care how good your running game is… a QB has to make a throw or a play at some points to win games. Trotter cannot do that. Frazier has shown that he can.
I believe in Auburn and love it.
by War_damn_eagle on Oct 10, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
SI is reporting Brantley will be out for Saturdays game
I just hope they erect the Saban statue/altar/shrine before he leaves
Ted Roof
It’s time we start asking ourselves if Roof is capable of coaching in this league. The defense was garbage last year. The only reason people didn’t notice is because our offense simply outscored everybody (Fairley was also a freak of nature). There is no excuse for an Auburn defensive unit to be last or 2nd to last statistically 2 years straight.
I wouldn’t be as adamant about making a change if we didn’t have a legitimate option outside of Roof. However, we do. Remember when Chizik was the defensive coordinator for the 2004 Auburn national champions and the 2005 Texas national champions? Dude knows how to coach defense… I’m actually shocked that he can sit by and watch the defense be as bad as it is for this long. If Roof can’t get the D together, it’s time for Chizik to take over.
For the record, I was much more impressed with the D against Arkansas this past week. However, we’re still nowhere close to where we should be…
I believe in Auburn and love it.
I'm not going to sit here and say that I know the answer......
but I have watched the game replay twice now and Trotter was only part of the problem in fact let half of the dropped passes be completions and it’s a close game. But with that being said Trotter did try to force alot of balls and through everything with too much zip. It seems as if he’s trying too hard to make a play and I wonder if he’s not looking over his shoulder a little too much with Frazier getting more and more reps…..and while I don’t see Frazier replacing Trotter this season maybe he feels the pressure a little too much. Frazier isn’t ready by a long shot but maybe Moseley is although I would like to see Trotter recover and finish the season strong. I don’t know what the answer is but I hope the coaches get it figured out.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
We don't want an answer, Todd
—just an opinion. The fact that even you are up in the air over your’s makes me feel better about my same one.
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by War Eagle Atlanta on Oct 10, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The more I watch both this game and the South Carolina game.....
the more I think Trotter is looking over his shoulder at Frazier. I think the more Frazier plays the less trotter and the offense is able to get into a rhythm…..I know he is trying to force the ball in a lot of circumstances. But that is not the only woe……the rest of the skill players on offense are as much to blame for Trotters lack of completions…..even Lutz dropped one that hit him in the hands. We miss Emory Blake tremendously…..and until we can either get him back or another player steps up and makes the catches it won’t matter who is throwing the ball to them. I think Trotter will most likely settle down if he realizes that Frazier is not a threat to his job and if Malzahn realizes that two QB’s are not the answer.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Lord have mercy...
I think what we have here is a situation of un-realistic expectations versus reality.
That being said, it’s obvious we got issues:
The defense isn’t very good when we are in a zone coverage. It’s the same old “let’s make them march the field” mentality we saw in the Clemson game. The good news is that we are getting better. But the reality is with a percision passer, they are going to pick us apart. We are just too wet behind the ears. I don’t see this as Roof’s issue… I see this as a lack of senior issue.
The offense isn’t very good either.
It appears that our QB has trouble eyeballing his receivers from the start…and after the first lick, he get’s a serious case of happy feet. But the good news…. he doesn’t throw many interceptions. It’s obvious – he is the best we got. And during the Arkansas game… he was totally hosed by his receivers not catching the ball – EVEN – when they were hit by them. The one interception he had was due to a 4star (practically non-contributing player) Benton tipping the ball in the air so the DB that was ten yards behind him caught it. Let’s face the bitter fact: our receiving corps without Blake is almost non-existent.
And when we can’t throw the ball…. that means all the opposing defenses have to do is load the box to stop Dyer. Oh… and you can’t forget the sloppy play of our O-line too. Again, my explanation is that we are extremely young.
But with all the folks hammering on Roof… I must say, for the two losses this year… I am not impressed with the coaching by Malzahn either. He has been woefully inadequate.
Arkansas is a tough, tough place to play. It’s a much more difficult place to play than say USC. I’d say to anyone we are just lucky we didn’t get shut out.
On to Florida!
Keeping it positive…. I think we have a darn good chance against them in our own house. We just have to settle down and learn to cope with the issues that are presented. We had chances in the Arkansas game. Again… this is something that comes with time.
Keep Trotter under center. Run the receivers! Take shots! Come out swinging and punch them dead in the mouth.
War Eagle!
by wde1988 on Oct 11, 2011 7:50 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

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