Thoughts on a Weekend of College Football
by Jay Coulter on Oct 24, 2011 7:20 PM CDT
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PrintThere's not much left to say that hasn't already been said about Saturday's whipping at LSU. The margin of defeat was surprising, but so to was the way Auburn played in the first half. In the long run, a lot of lessons will come from this game.
From the start, it was clear that LSU had the better team. Auburn's offensive line looked like a New Orleans levy trying to hold off Katrina. It's hard to imagine a better team in college football this season...
Despite the numerous mistakes, Clint Moseley is clearly the best option Auburn has right now behind center. However you slice it, Auburn doesn't have a quarterback capable of playing above-average SEC football. The best fans can hope for this season is a caretaker who can manage the offense while limiting mistakes...
I've never been a fan of alternate uniforms, but I have to say LSU's version on Saturday was an improvement over what they typically where at home. They should give serious thought to making them permanent...
Can you do me a favor? Please take a second and go to the top left of the web page and vote Auburn at 100% in the fan confidence poll. We've got an idiot loose on the site who continues to create user names to write bogus comments and manipulate the confidence poll. I'm sure he's unemployed, living in his mama's basement with nothing better to do. What a sad existence...
On this October day, Kiehl Frazier looks miles away from being ready to start a college football game. With four regular season games left, plus a month of bowl preparation and spring practice ahead, hopefully he'll close the gap. Right now, I can't imagine him being ready to go next September. Let the Zeke Pike watch begin...
As bad as things looked Saturday in Baton Rouge, Auburn still has a chance to finish its most brutal month of football in years at 3-2. What looked like a sure thing a week ago now has the trappings of an upset. Houston Nutt is fighting for his life and his Ole Miss team will be ready to play Saturday. The Rebels looked awfully good in their loss to Arkansas. We should be careful to automatically assume a win...
Now is a good time to start taking a peek at bowl opportunities for this team. Should Auburn win three of its last four games, a New Year's Day (or later) bowl appearance is possible. The November 12th contest at Georgia will likely be the make or break game for that happening.
Eight wins could mean a trip to the Outback Bowl, Gator Bowl or Cotton Bowl. A loss to Ole Miss or Georgia would likely mean a trip to the Chick-Fil-A Bowl or Music City Bowl. Being defending national champions should be appealing to these bowl committees...
Don't expect offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn's appeal as a head coach to dim any because of his struggles this season. Programs know the kind of rebuilding process he's facing and also understand that he's had to slow his offense considerably this year to help out Auburn's young defense.
The chances of him returning next season are slim and none. You can bet Gene Chizik has already given a lot of thought to his replacement. His first stop should be in Clemson where Malzahn protégé Chad Morris has turned the ACC on its heels. Auburn should have little trouble paying what's necessary to move Morris to the SEC...
After a long afternoon of sorrow, you had to smile watching former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville lead his Texas Tech team to an upset win over third-ranked Oklahoma. Despite losing two heartbreakers in subsequent weeks, Tuberville is slowly bringing the Tech program back. I'm still a fan...
Remember when Turner Gill was all the rage in college football? I remember getting a call from a producer at ESPN's Outside the Lines program probing to see whether racism was involved in Auburn choosing Chizik over Gill. It turns out, Auburn just wanted to win football games. Gill's record as Kansas head coach now sits at 5-14. Most believe he'll be shown the door at season's end...
How big is this weekend's Georgia-Florida contest? Many believe Georgia coach Mark Richt has taken himself off the hot seat with a 5-2 record. I'll remind Dawg fans that their signature win is a five point victory over a 4-3 Vanderbilt squad. A loss to the Gators will reignite the fire...
It looks like Missouri will officially join the SEC this week. And we just thought the addition of Arkansas and South Carolina brought nothing to the conference. I understand television and money talk; but who can get excited about away games at College Station and Columbia, Missouri?
Apparently, Alabama and Tennessee did enough whining to save their rivalry and keep Auburn in the SEC West and place Missouri in the East. I know our readership has been mixed on the proposed move to the East. Personally, I would have loved playing Tennessee and Florida again annually.
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I had no idea Gus was a sure thing to leave us...
When did this come about guys?
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
I wouldn't sweat it Sparkey....
I don’t think it’s a lock either way……I think there is an excellent chance he comes back for next season.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Auburn should have always been in the East.
Personally I’m a little ticked that the rest of the SEC has to cave to bama’s wishes. Years ago (before expansion) they got out of playing Georgia every year and things haven’t changed any since. Now they can vote for expansion as long as every thing fits perfectly with their wishes… ie. don’t lose Tenn. game and especially don’t let Auburn be in a better position to recruit Ga. & Fla.
Enjoyed the read Jay.
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Having lived in Columbia, MO
It’s actually a pretty nice town. It has a small town feel to it that Auburners will enjoy, and several places on campus would be right at home on the plains. The biggest difference up here? Very little pine.
As for the game, holy crap. 28 points off 2 penalties and 2 turnovers. Granted, had that not happened, it still would have been 17-10 and I think Les wouldn’t have let off the gas in the 4th quarter. And don’t get me wrong, those penalties were blatant and legitimate calls. We had them stopped. We had forced the punt. But then someone gets a handful of something they shouldn’t, and the next thing we know we’re hearing “Geaux Tigers”.
This is a young team. A very young team. No one expected us to win the division, much less the conference. Many didn’t expect us to even be bowl eligible, which we will be after a win against Ole Miss/UGA/Samford. We could well end up at 8-4, which is above what many thought possible. Give us a year or two. We will be back. Just remember, in 2008 we went 5-7. In 2010 we went 13-0.
It’s great to be an Auburn Tiger. War Damn Eagle.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 8:35 AM CDT reply actions
Also, I'd note
All 3 of our losses are to top 10 BCS teams. It’s not like we lost to Clems… oh wait. It’s not like we lost to Vandy.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
My .03 cents, more than you want...still worth nothing.
Other than the complete ineptitude of the offense, I’m not drawing to many negative conclusions from Saturdays game. LSU has a great team and when the blood hit the water, they attacked and tore us apart….which is the mark of a champion. If we somehow don’t commit those 3 penalties that kept the three LSU scoring drives alive in the first half, who know how that game turns out. Its hard to imgaine us scoring more than we did, but the way we battled early on gives me hope that we can pull off wins against Ole Miss and UGA.
I think Mose had a decent game all things considered, with the pressure he faced throughout the game he was bound to throw that pick. I think he will rebound to have a fine day this Saturday as Ole Miss will look like they are playing 3/4 speed compared to last week,….which makes me wonder, do they work on letting a defender run free at the QB during practice? Because if they don’t , they should, it could only help in making quick reads and decisions.
Tubberville continues his tradition of beating top 10 teams……while also losing to team that he shouldn’t. I know a lot of people still love Tubs, but it was a god send that Jacobs fired him when he did. Take a couple of things into consideration if you still feel like Tubs got a raw deal. One, his last recruiting class in 2008 is why we are suffering with lack of depth and virtually no senior presence on this team. 2011 was supposed to be the DeRon Furr show, a 4* dual threat QB that never made it to campus. Of the 29 players that signed, only 23 qualified, 6 total remain, and of those only McCalebb, TSharvan Bell and Trotter are contributors. The four and five star commits, never stepped foot on Auburns campus….that class was all flash and no substance and full of poor character guys that were dismissed from the team eventually. Auburn would be in Vandy territory if Tubberville has stayed one more year. Second, if Tuberville had stayed and remained on the hot seat, there is absolutely no chance that Cam would have chosento go to Auburn and we would have never won a thing last year.
Missouri to the SEC East??? Thats a crusher. In the SEC East we are immediate front runners next year, as is we will be lucky to finish in the top half of the West. I don’t expect for Florida and Tennessee to be down forever, but LSU, Bama and Arkansas aren’t going anywhere either. Throw aTm into the mix and its a killer as we’ll likely pick them up as a road game next year as well.
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
Agree about what was learned in Baton Rouge.
LSU and Alabama continue to prove that NFL teams can beat college teams. This lesson has only tangential relevance to any future contest. Once we get through this weekend (and especially if we manage not to lose), all eyes in Athens turn squarely on Auburn. Ours should be a good game.
by first and thom on Oct 24, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed....
Richt will likely be coaching for his job in that one, should he lose to Fla.
I am really impressed with the Dawgs defensive turnaround this year. Provided we can play defense against you guys, that should be a tough low scoring affair.
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
You'd think so, but my powers of pre-cognition suck.
See, for example, the Vandy game.
Both our teams have played a bunch of games – winning most, feeling the losses – but I still feel like I don’t have a good read on us or you. We’ve both got weaknesses on the OL and both have been getting better play than expected on the DL. Questions abound at WR. We’ve got our guy at QB, but he’s underperforming; your QB game is more unsettled. You’ve got two solid gamers at RB; we’ve got Crowell, but he hasn’t put a game on his shoulders yet. We’ve got a high-perfoming D, but that’s different from having a particuarly good D. So many questions still hanging around…
As for Richt coaching for his job, I don’t think that will be the case even if he loses this weekend. That seat has cooled off a lot. But losses to both Florida and Auburn could be curtains for him, especially if one is real ugly. If he loses both, I’d say he’s coaching for his job against Tech. But what do I know? I’m just some dude. The people that give the money to the program make the calls.
by first and thom on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Florida is huge....
If Richt had a decent record against them, I would say no big deal BUT he only has 2 wins against UF and Florida is genreally considered to be very beatable even with Brantley at QB. Dawg fan is TIRED of losing to them. If Richt doesn’t win this one, there will be a lot of WTF’ing going on. Lose to Auburn at Athens - in a revenge game to a lot of folks — and all bets are off. Greg McGarrity gave a less than enthusiastic appraisal of the season so far, saying that the schedule had been favorable, which tells me he is expecting the Dawgs to finish strong and beat some rivals that the fan base can get excited about.
I don’t think he wants to get rid of Richt but if he lets the SEC Championship game slip away……especially now…..and I don’t knjow if he can survive.
Auburn isn’t too hard to read in my book. They can play with anybody…..IF they don’t make mistakes. They are sooo young that mistakes linger with them and things snowball. A good team that can capitalize on a mistake that gives them a second chance, will beat us. If they don’t we can beat them. All three losses were against good competition and we either led or were playing well going deep into the 2nd Qtr but when we made mistakes that the competition capiltalized on, we collapsed…..quickly. To beat UGA we’ll have to win the field position and TO battle, and have a competant performace from our QB. UGA will shut down our running game if Mose or Trotter can’t make some throws.
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
I don't disagree with any of this.
About Auburn, I think we’re saying the same thing differently. I agree with you.
About Richt, a lot of my friends think just like you do. But I think Richt’s store of goodwill in Athens is sufficient to get him another year even if he loses to Auburn and Florida (depending on how the losses look).
It’s a moot point, though, because our need to win in Jacksonville is going to be enough to lay a lickin’ on the Gators and I’m certain that our angst about last year will be enough to win against y’all. Now, please excuse me while I stuff my ears and hum loudly…
by first and thom on Oct 24, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha!! That did NOT work for me against LSU
Well, Richt SHOULD get to keep his job even if he does go 8-4 or 7-5. But the media has been banging the drum for a long time trying to get the faithful riled up. If I was him I might force their hand and ask for an extension and if they don’t give it, quit. There will be some attractive jobs available that would love to get their hands on him.
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
Reason #1 why you should think twice about firing your coach:
Other teams want to hire him.
I think our coaching issues center around our OC more than Richt, but Richt is responsible for his OC. We’ll see how it plays out.
by first and thom on Oct 24, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless its Tuberville
Tuberville left us in the shape we are today, with virtually no recruiting class from ’08. 6 of 29!! Good God!!
At least Richt still pulls recruits. If Tuberville has pulled the kind of class that Richt just did, he might still be in Auburn.
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
That's right.
There are times when a coach and program just got to go their separate ways, and I think TT and Auburn got there. In other words, just because you think twice about something doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t do it.
by first and thom on Oct 25, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL.... that is a good one.
Col A has already answered… but I am sitting here laughing at that one simply because that was Tuberville’s negotiation technique. And what’s more funny than that is that it worked up until the end. I would have fired him after 2003 season. I thought he was slacking then. He got lucky and had a great season in 2004 and was on a down hill slide ever since.
Right now, @ TT, he is doing what he always does… wins a marquee game against a program he had no business beating. But he will lose games he had no business losing too. That is the killer. He is mediocre at best and he absolutely cannot recruit on a consistent basis. I think AU is experiencing this year courtesy of Tommy T.
I have already said my piece about UGA… and it’s high time the UGA faithful state their own case and live the results. Q: where do you see the program in five years?? If the answer is the same… you got problems.
Here's where I think we're heading
Continued recruiting success, continued defensive improvement. The questions are on offense. There’s a lot of slack in our offense, and that’s the major source of discontentment in the fanbase. It used to be the defense, but Richt got that turned around.
Richt moves slowly to make changes. He kept Martinez two seasons too long. He won’t have the luxury of keeping Bobo too long.
by first and thom on Oct 25, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I definitely agree with you on that, Thom
Richt would be snatched up in a heartbeat, if Georgia were to let him go. Given the absolute crapshoot that scoping out coaching talent is (see also: Turner Gill, and on the other end of things, Skip Holtz), it’s foolish to go casting away a legitimate coaching talent without some serious weight to support it (like multiple losing seasons).
"The ball will be spotted at the six-inch-yardline."
It really irks me that Bama can whine and then get their way.
I think that ATM opined that this faintly resembles another too big to fail (oh wait) Texas team…While I think that East is definitely in a slump, that will change. But geographically, it made sense to to move us to the East and add Mizzou to the West. We have been able to keep our Georgia rivalry, it would make sense for the powers to jockey to keep the Third Sat as well. Must be too hard…..
I was exhausted from my Saturday, but stayed up to watch Tubs pull the upset! While I think Tubbs relationship with Auburn was sullied by jetgate, and it made it time for him to go, I still like and respect the guy. I love seeing him on the sidelines coaching a great game. War Eagle, Tubs!
Moseley is awesome! He is. He give us hope with a weak O-line and keeps the backs motivated to keep charging ahead. Frazier will come along, but it’s going to require a lot of patience. I still think that he is a little overwhelmed.
So, road trips to College Station might be fun. Road trips to Columbia, MO, maybe….warning people, what they call BBQ is NOT BBQ. Don’t eat that unless you like the taste of disappointment in your mouth.
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 24, 2011 9:03 AM CDT reply actions
to be honest
most Bama alumni I know, including myself, didn’t give a shit if Auburn went to the East, we just wanted to keep Tennessee. It’s an older rivalry, with more history and less histrionics from both sides.
by SoxStephen on Oct 25, 2011 7:47 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
East vs West
I’m honestly torn here. The side of me that wants Auburn to succeed wants us in the East. Right now we would do really well over there. Next year, I don’t know.
The side of me that’s a traditionalist wants us in the west. I would hate not being able to play LSU every year. I would hate not being able to play Arkansas every year. Those are two great rivalries with great football. I think in 2 years (when we have a fairly senior team) being in the east could hurt our strength of schedule were we to make another run for the MNC. I’m really very torn.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 9:06 AM CDT reply actions
With all due respect ...
The “Tradition” arguement is for the East. Florida, Georgia, Tennessee are Auburn’s traditional rivals. Auburn is Florida’s oldest SEC rival. LSU has developed into a great rival but that’s only been so since the SEC expansion of the nineties.
It seems that mostly younger fans have sentiment for the West and older fans for the traditional East teams.
While my heart pines for the long time Eastern rivals, I think Auburn will be OK on either side. It mainly irks me that our position is decided by whinners from Tuscaloosa.
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Tennessee plays a big role in the whinning too.
In 92 I turned 9 and was living in a bammer household, so I dont’ remember “the old ways”. I saw the light, headed to the plains, and the 3 best games were always against Louisiana State, Bama, and UGA. My ideal move would be to send Alabama and Auburn to the east and put vandy in the west.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
"No more darkness, no more night"
“Praise the Lord” SEC Supreme that you saw the light!
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
THIS
It mainly irks me that our position is decided by whiners from Tuscaloosa.
And I don’t mean to co-opt this so shamelessly to support my viewpoint…but it works. This is why some of us that lack the deeper roots find it so easy to say “well f—- ‘em…they’re convinced they’re so great they don’t need us, then give them what they want.”
I don’t think this is Texas/A&M level (owing at least to the fact that there isn’t significant $$$ being snatched away), but there are some similarities. At a certain point, if your “Big Brother” is so convinced that they don’t need you, then be done with it.
"The ball will be spotted at the six-inch-yardline."
Found on EDSBS
Finebaum and Tammy went to visit Robert in Iowa. Great story. Warning: The room got a bit dusty, even though it does involve Finebaum.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 9:29 AM CDT reply actions
Turner Gill
his record is real familiar to someone else’s Big 12 record. Can’t count him out yet. I wasnt too excited about a hire of a coach with a 5-19 record.
by shootingjacket on Oct 24, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions
Really?
You’re already giving up on Frazier? Granted he’s not ready to start right now, but I don’t think it’s quite time to give up on him as a future option. Let’s not start the Zeke Pike watch just yet.
Danny Sheridan told me to shave my beard.
Agreed
I think Frazier needs to helm the ship with the full playbook at his disposal before we make any determination about his passing skills.
I am very surprised at the level of distrust in Frazier. The kid has a good head on his shoulders and can definitely tote the rock. I know Chizik wants to win now, but lets look at the big picture. If we are going to run the spread AND COMPETE IN THE SEC, you need to have a QB that is a LEGITIMATE threat to run and create those open zones that Cam enjoyed last year. Frazier is the only guy who can do that for us As far as his passing ability is concerned, .I don’t think anybody has an idea of how well he can pass right now. I know people will say the coaches know, because they see him in practice, BUT you know he isn’t throwing the ball much in practice in the reps that he is getting with the 1st team. Unless we want to write off next year as a rebuilding year again. If we want to go to more of a pro style offense I think Moseley will be a fine choice and you can afford to wait on Frazier or Pike.
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
I sat next to some high school friends of his during the Arky game (at least they claimed to be)
Their read on him was that he was a great runner and a mediocre passer. Allegedly in HS most of his passing yardage was due to stud receivers and not his skill. If true, hopefully that will develop. If not true, ignore it all.
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Tebow did ok....
If Frazier can put on an inch or two and about 20lbs, he will be enough of a threat to run…..with Dyar and Mason…. to have big holes open downfield. We SHOULD have stud receivers making plays for us next year as well….hell, we should have them this year!!
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
Disagree with the thought that current performance doesn't put a...
damper on Gus Malzahn. Or any other coach that is at AU for that matter! I think it absolutely does. And while the defense started off the season with an abysmal record… I should point out that the offense hasn’t set any blistering speed records. No where close!
I completely understand it’s a rebuilding year! Got it! And the fact that we got somewhere near 24 freshman on the team? Got it! But to get beat that bad? Really??
I think we fell into the can of whoop-ass and I don’t think I will get rid of the corn dog smell for weeks to come.
WDE
Auburn Belongs in the East
Auburn should have been in the East from the beginning. It is east of Vanderbilt’s longitude. The East has far more relevant universities. Auburn had been playing Florida and Tennessee annually “forever.” It would be fun to restore historic rivalries which are far more interesting than the Arkansas and Mississippi and swamp urchins crap.
And it would help recruiting. And who wouldn’t rather go to Charleston after a game in Columbia than go to Branson after a game in Fayetteville?
It’s the Classic South / Historic South / Relevant South / Colonial South / Atlantic South versus the hinterlands South. Leave Bammer in the west where it belongs. Many thousands of Auburn students from Georgia, Florida, Tennessee and South Carolina have never been to Tuscaloosa and can’t imagine why anyone would ever want to go to Tuscaloosa. And going to away games in Florida, Tennessee and South Carolina is just far more appealing than going to freaking Arkansas, the Mississippi crap and the bayou. Leave that for the bammers. The East versus the West is Charleston versus Shreveport. It’s the Florida Atlantic Coast versus Arkansas. It’s South Carolina versus El Dorado.
Trust me, it’s light years better company; and helps Auburn immeasurably.
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Aint that the truth....
And throw another helping of “crap” on Mississippi. As the old saying goes, the only good thing to come out of Missisippi is I-20.
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
LOL! I Shouldn't Have Been Mean to Poor Ol' Mississippi
But Auburn needs to do what’s in its best interests. Sue if need be.
Leave Bammer in the Hopalong Cassidy West and move to the SEC’s better half where it belongs.
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I shouldn't listen to Pawl
but I’m a sadist, what can I say. He’s going off on Malzahn, saying we should fire him because of this year. Does this not completely ignore a lake of experience from our offense and only 6 seniors from Tubs’s last recruting class?
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
Frazier
reminds me of Kodi Burns. That’s good, what a leader he appeared to be, and bad, not a 5 star quarterback. If Chizik can make this determantion earleir then they did with Kodi, he could turn into a great WR. Without Kodi Burns Auburn doesn’t wint the BCS.
MIssouri leaving the Big 12-2-1 is like a tree falling in the woods.
I am not ready to give up on the kid...
Frazier hasn’t really had an opportunity yet.
Besides… next year we should have Pike, Mosely, Trotter, and Frazier. I think it will say alot about AU… depending upon who we pick to start. Besides… with some of the beef we got coming in at O-line… we will be able to provide more time for our QBs regardless of who they are.
Add to that we will have two more 4 star RBs… and more talent at receiver.
Our defense will improve too…. by leaps and bounds. I think it already has started…
I think we are going to do well.
WDE
I absolutely love the picture...
If that is not a “Popye” picture… I don’t know what is…
“Blow me down you dirty double dealer”
“Ack, ack, ack, ack, ack….”
Where did you get this?
WDE
"New Orleans levy trying to hold off Katrina"
So very classy. The only thing you are missing is Trooper Taylor waving a towel over pic of flooded NOLA and dead bodies. I’m surprised you didn’t compare your October to the Bataan Death March as capable as you seem in the creative writing dept.
nemo me impune lacessit
BBQ Raccoon
~ 4 – 6 lb. raccoon, cut into serving pieces
~ 1 cup red wine
~ 2 onions, sliced
~ 3 bay leaves
~ 1 tbsp salt
~ 1 tsp pepper
~ 3 cloves garlic, sliced
~ 2 cups of your favorite barbecue sauce
~ 1 tbsp paprika
Place the raccoon pieces in a large pan. Add the wine, onions, bay leaves, salt, pepper and garlic. Add enough water to cover the meat.
Bring to a boil. Cover and simmer for 1 hour.
After 1 hour, remove the meat and drain. Place the raccoon in a greased baking dish. Mix the barbecue sauce and paprika together and pour over the meat.
Cook at 325 degrees for 50 – 60 minutes.
Serve and Enjoy!
by SEC Supremacist on Oct 24, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
By jove
I don’t think the old boy knows we were paying his team a compliment.
Now accepting applications for SEC membership.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Oct 24, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
If you can't be bothered
To contribute constructively, then don’t bother with complaints.
It may have been a poor choice of words, but there was no malice behind it — something you’d know if you read Jay’s work with any regularity.
"The ball will be spotted at the six-inch-yardline."
Not trolling.
Hate seeing your team struggle. I thought going into the LSU game that yall had a punchers chance. I still think thats the case if not for the turnovers and penalties. Anyway, I have a question. Why do most of you want to abandon the Alabama-Auburn rivalry? I understand the hate for Alabama, as I hate Auburn the same way, but come on. Some of you are acting like Georgia and Florida are bigger rivalries. Bama is not on some mission to screw Auburn, thats sounds ridiculous. Bama-UT and Bama-AU is two of the biggest and most exciting games in college football. I am beginning to think most of you are basing your decision on the attitude of other fans instead of the actual football games. Besides, nobody has heard one peep from Aubie’s administration or Tennessee’s that says that they want to drop the rivalries…
Yes, we have thirteen....
An Enormous Percentage of Auburn Students
are from “SEC East” states, and don’t give a flying rat’s ass about bammer. I’m not saying that to be rude. It’s just true. They wouldn’t care if Auburn never played bammer again. They see bammer as thoroughly irrelevant and rather pathetic, and prefer the company of what they consider to be real universities.
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That makes no sense
As much as it pains me to say it, bama is not irrelevant…pathetic (some of the fans/administrators and their delusions of grandeur) somewhat, but not irrelevant. Regardless of your take on the student body’s opinion of who a good rival would be, advertising dollars will dictate this in the future. The games that have historical relevance or in recent years have vaulted teams into championship games will be the ones that the league won’t do without. The first example is UT/UA. UT has sucked for several years and it’s been a one sided rivalry, but UA is a perfect example of how quickly that can change (see AU’s IB win streak followed by bama MNC). AU/LSU is the second example. While they were an opponent of AU for a long time, winning or losing that game did not dictate how the rest of the season went. However 7 or the last 11 years the winner has gone on to rep the West in the SECCG, so it developed into a rivalry because both teams understood the importance of winning it. Viewer will ALWAYS watch these two types of games so they will command higher advertising dollars, thus making them more important/valuable to all parties involved. Economics 101. As far as the “real universities” comment goes…Come On MAN! That’s bush league.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by tigertracker on Oct 24, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most of the Nation
thinks the entire State of Alabama is bush league. Really, they do. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person, so I suspect you must know this. And most of the nation thinks the “Iron Bowl” is a corny hoedown. And many in Atlanta and Charleston think Auburn’s one redeeming quality is that it isn’t too far west of the Chattahoochee. There isn’t nearly as much interest outside the state in that game as bammers (and a few naive Auburn fans) think there is.
Auburn has already “taken one for the team” by not insisting that Vanderbilt (west of Auburn’s longitude) be in the West and Auburn in the East. This SHOULD be getting old for Auburn by now, unless some actually like it. Bammer has never worried about accommodating Auburn. Why should Auburn be worried about accommodating bammer?
And do you not know that Florida, Georgia and Vanderbilt don’t consider Alabama to be a pathetic joke of a university with their low SAT and appallingly low GRE averages (only Mississippi State and Mississippi are lower in the SEC).
Bammer’s cornball backwoods southern lawyers in the state legislature until little more than a decade ago screwed Auburn financially. The one time Auburn flexed its muscle legally, that ended. Auburn doesn’t benefit that much in any way from any relationship with bammer, especially with the profit sharing of SEC tv royalties.
The SEC East universities are better than the SEC West universities academically by far. Highest GRE averages: 1) Vanderbilt (E) 2) Florida (E) 3) Georgia (E) 4) Auburn (W though should be E)
Of course Texas A & M will change this.
Three lowest GRE averages: 10) Alabama (W) 11) Mississippi State (W) 12) Mississippi (W)
And what is undergrad school, really, other than playschool?
I know we are talking about sports, but good company academically does matter.
Finally, what would be wrong with potentially playing bammer twice in one year if we must play them at all? Those who like fooling with them for some inexplicable reason should like that, it would seem. Or would that be sensation overload for the pea brain??
by Gorgeous Devil on Oct 24, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not sure why we should care what many in Atlanta and Charleston have to think about this. But you are making several valid points.
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 25, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Redeeming quality?
And many in Atlanta and Charleston think Auburn’s one redeeming quality is that it isn’t too far west of the Chattahoochee
I don’t even know what to say to this…honestly.
There isn’t nearly as much interest outside the state in that game as bammers (and a few naive Auburn fans) think there is.
I agree here. The interest is in the interaction between fanbases more than the game…but that’s what makes the game noteable. Well that and both winning titles the last two years.
Auburn has already "taken one for the team" by not insisting that Vanderbilt (west of Auburn’s longitude) be in the West and Auburn in the East
Again, agree. Auburn should’ve been in the east when the league expanded in ‘92, but wasn’t in order to maintain a 3/3 split of the traditional schools. Can’t cry over spilled milk, but can fix it now that the opportunity to shift has presented itself if the administration will make a big deal about it. However, which schools from the east are going to step up their support and say “Sure we’d love to have AU in our division” Hell no they don’t want us over there winning division titles! By that logic there might be a west team that would speak up and use the geography argument to push us over so they don’t have to play us anymore (looking at you MSU, but of course you aren’t going to do us any favors!)
And do you not know that Florida, Georgia and Vanderbilt don’t consider Alabama to be a pathetic joke of a university with their low SAT and appallingly low GRE averages
No, I wasn’t aware. I’ve never spent much time at those universities nor have I read the press releases where they poor mouthed the tide.
I know we are talking about sports, but good company academically does matter
We were talking about sports…last I checked your conference affiliation had no bearing on your SACS accredidation. Each university should keep it’s own academic house in order. As long as the players are maintaining grades per NCAA and university rules then they are fine. These kids for the most part aren’t attending for an education so let’s not even pretend that is the case. They’re going where they feel they have the best chance to make the NFL which consists of a football program that has an offense or defense suited to their skillset, a group of players and coaches they feel they can get along well with, and potential for early playing time to maximize their exposure to both play and television audiences. You can sprinkle in some proximity to family/home in some cases, and education does figure in for the ones that KNOW they’ll never play at the next level and are just enjoying the ride OR the ones with the sense to prepare for life after football. Still what has that got to do with the other schools in the conference? They could just choose to go to those other schools.
Finally, what would be wrong with potentially playing bammer twice in one year if we must play them at all? Those who like fooling with them for some inexplicable reason should like that, it would seem. Or would that be sensation overload for the pea brain??
Nothing wrong with possibly playing them twice. The general consensus is that it is very difficult to beat a team twice in the same year. I could care less personally and don’t think that is much of a factor in the decision anyway, but worth noting. I doubt that would happen very often anyway as most division races will be close enough annually that one or the other taking the loss would affect who represents their respective division. The other thing to consider is that it has been mentioned that it might move the game to earlier in the year which traditionalists are opposed to. I don’t think that would impact the economics of the situation much, but the market would determine that over time.
I do agree with some of your points about AU not fighting more for themselves. I can’t explain that and if you know a way to change it I’m all ears and will be glad to help. All I can think to do is not contribute to the university by not buying tickets or donating money, but I enjoy the games too much to take that route. I’m not really sure why you turned the conversation from football to academics on a sports blog short of trying to elevate the value of your degree (assuming you have one) or devalue someone elses. It isn’t relevant to this discussion. One thing I do know is that if there weren’t some level of value to the degrees obtained from ALL of these member institutions then they’d have gone out of business a long time ago. Supply and demand, Economics 101 again.
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by tigertracker on Oct 25, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that 'everyone' wants to abandon the Iron Bowl.
I sure do not. However, many classical Auburn games were played against SEC East teams. It is also appalling to think that ’Bama whined and suddenly that dictates how everything goes. Geographically, it makes the most sense to move Auburn to the East and add both A&M and Mizzou to the West. The SEC would find a way to protect the classical rivalries. Economics, not love for the game, would dictate that truth.
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 24, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ditto
AubTigerman
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It runs deep....and on several levels
There are several schools of thought and I don’t think anyone REALLy wants to get rid of the IB
1. Geographically moving AU to the east makes sense.
2. East has been down lately and could do for a power shift, however that changes often and will come back around regardless of whether AU moves or not so not entirely relevant here.
3. Auburns traditional rivals were UA, UGA, UT, and UF. We gave up UT when the conference expanded in ‘92 and were forced a few years later to give up UF when they went to only one permanent east division rival. With the door now open do we not deserve to regain these rivalries back? Mizzou is new so they should get the $hit end of the stick, not AU. That does create a ripple effect. Namely that UA would have to choose between UT or AU as permanent rival. Who decides.
4. Which brings us to UA complaining about having to choose…some AU fans are of the opinion that if bama would rather play UT then let them and we’ll move on. Because we are gaining 2 rivalries back and losing 1.
5. Why when bama bitches do they get what they want? What if Auburn caused a stink about this. We’d be labeled as crybabies holding up progress. Bama…they just want to maintain their rivalries. Double standard
6. Damn right bama is out to get us. From Eric Ramsey on, the REC and The Machine are working behind the scenes to tear Auburn down…but not destroy us. Everyone outside of Auburn fans laugh and call us conspiracy theorists and say we have an inferiority complex. Only AU fans understand this and that is all that matters. Like the savant that just sees things for what they are, we’ve long since quit trying to make anyone understand.
7. So we keep it all bottled up and don’t complain because that is the way according to the Creed. We believe in work, hard work so we play the hand we’re dealt and have learned to suffer in silence I suppose. How else do you explain our silence on this issue as well as why we played our two biggest rivals back to back FOREVER. No bye week between, no cupcake between until this year. Amen Corner with a hiccup FINALLY.
Hope that helps. Leaving bammer behind has more to do with our attitude, their attitude, and the dynamic landscape of college football. I for one do NOT want to see it happen. I know we can’t win ’em all, but I love going into Jordan Hare West and claiming victory. The Finebaum nutbags on both sides need to be locked up under legion field to fight to the death. That happens and this rivalry goes back to just plain old on the field hate which did us both proud for a long time.
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by tigertracker on Oct 24, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes,
geographically that makes since. I get your point Tiger. Gorgeous Devil, you just made yourself look like a hypocrite. You start off saying “not trying to be an ass” and finish up with " …irrelevant….pathetic…real university." Sorry, but if you can’t make a point and sound like a grown-up, then nobody wants to hear your opinion. I am not a “bammer” as I don’t come over here to TET and disrespect anyone. I come for insightful views, and football talk.
Yes, we have thirteen....
Tiger,
I just couldn’t imagine a schedule without Auburn on it. I just think that it looks better to play in a stronger division when playing for a NC. I know that and Auburn NC looks much more impressive than a USCw NC. Get what I am saying?
Yes, we have thirteen....
No, I get what you are saying.
And to see the Iron Bowl go away would be sad. I’ve been to Iron Bowls at Legion Field, Auburn, and finally Tuscaloosa. But I also remember the epic games against Tenn and Florida. We’ll never lose Georgia from our schedule.
BUT, I am beyond tired of Bama pretending to be the only relevant team in the SEC, much less the SEC West. Done. If all the presidents and board members and who-have-yous got together and made this decision, it would not taste so bad. The fact that it’s trickling out that Bama wants it be so-that’s yesterday’s cow patty. Auburn should get to decide what is best for Auburn, not some dude out of Tuscaloosa. So, I’m hoping that Auburn is fighting this and still looking out for our best interests…because it’s not like Bama knows what’s best for everybody (despite them thinking so). If that means that we lose the Iron Bowl, so be it. I care more about what is in Auburn’s best interests than about the damn Iron Bowl.
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 25, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
WHOA
I thought that this line of thinking:
If that means that we lose the Iron Bowl, so be it. I care more about what is in Auburn’s best interests than about the damn Iron Bowl.
merited the tar-and-feather treatment.
It seems to me that some bright, insightful visionary had the very same line of reasoning not so very long ago.
Though to set all sarcasm aside, I will say this: THAT was exactly the reasoning behind my saying what I did. At this point, moving Auburn to the East appears to keep things more balanced than tossing Missouri in there.
"The ball will be spotted at the six-inch-yardline."
In all fairness,
it sounds better when I say it. Okay, okay, maybe that’s not fair. But when you said it, it seemed so rash and unreasoned (and you’re a Yankee! how could you possibly understand). After mulling it over and thinking rationally (mark time and date down on the calender), it makes sense.
by Tiger on the mountain on Oct 25, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I happen to agree with the sentiment...
I give a flip about bama. And I am quietly confident that they will eventually lose the war.
WDE
*an* not "and"
Yes, we have thirteen....
by AlltheGreatQBs on Oct 24, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
So as not to skew your poll, I won't vote
But as an LSU guy, my preference is for Auburn to stay in the west with us. LSU/AU is nearly always the most interesting game of the year and one I always look forward to. I don’t want to lose the annual rivalry with AU. I think it has defined the SEC as THE classic game over the last decade, possibly more. The Iron Bowl, World’s Largest Whatever Party, and the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry get all the hype, but LSU/Auburn has often been the actual best game, imo.
Poll results are suprising..
Geographically Auburn does belong in the East. However, a move to the East would hurt. a( The Iron Bowl would have less meaning, Auburn/bama would happen often in the SCG. It diminishes the implications a TON. Two times a year? Not a fan of it.) b.(The LSU game becomes the equivalent of what the Florida game is now. If I had to pick between the two teams to play on a yearly basis, it would be a toss-up. However, I have grown to appreciate the LSU game and would hate to lose it.) In my opinion, I think the SEC should add a team from the east side (Clemson, Va. Tech, FSU, USF. Mizzou is not a southern team, If they joined it wouldn’t be appropriate to be called the SEC.. Just my thoughts. I think I should inform everyone I was born in ‘92.. So of course I won’t have the perspective of everyone else, and could be slacking on the history behind this as well.
See,
Gorgeous Devil, it is possible to disagree without looking like a douche. Other than that, you all have made a good argument for both sides.
Yes, we have thirteen....
by AlltheGreatQBs on Oct 24, 2011 11:40 PM CDT reply actions
there are two other schools that are against Auburn moving to the East...
Georgia, and Florida both have voiced an uneasiness to allow Auburn’s move into the East. Mainly for the same reasons that Alabama has. It would be much easier for Auburn to recruit in the East. Especially with the ability to play in front of family and friends every year.
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Am I the only one...
Who thinks that Missouri being in the east is just geographically dumb as hell? Furthermore, I hope we’re fighting this whole thing. So what if they have issues with it, we could always make some alliances and help our case. It would also help UT to go West…who knows how to slice it in the end but I’ll say that Auburn better be fighting its butt off over this matter.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
No, you are not the only one...
Imagine Mizzou’s fans point of view.
They will have to travel to Athens, Ga and Gainesville, FL every other year
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