Texas A&M and Missouri's History vs. the SEC
by aubtigerman on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 AM CDT
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Missouri running back Henry Josey had 162 yards and a touchdown in Missouri's 38-31 win over new SEC opponent Texas A&M October 29, 2011.
The book is a popular read amongst business leaders and is required reading for US military intelligence officers. Some coaches including the NFL's Bill Belicheck is said to have used it's lessons to gain insights in preparing for games.
With the addition to the SEC of Texas A&M and Missouri for the 2012 (?) season, Tzu's quote is good advice for those who need to become familiar with the league's newest members.
There has been much speculation on just how the two former Big 12 teams might measure up against the existing member SEC schools. Today we want to take a closer look at the league's new competitors.
While both schools have won numerous multi-athletic championships, the purpose of this article is to examine their success on the gridiron.
MISSOURI:
The Tigers play their home games on Faurot Field at Memorial Stadium. The seating capacity is listed at 71,004. The average attendance for six home games in 2009 was 64,120. Their home field record is 251-167-20.
Mizzou is one of 39 schools that has won more than 500 games. The Tigers have been to 24 bowl games and have a 10-14 record.
Missouri has finished in the final Associated Press poll Top Ten six times since the poll began in 1936.
The Tigers have won six conference Championships: 1939, '41, '42, '45 (Big 6 Championships) and 1960,1969 (Big 8 Championships). In addition Mizzou was Big 12 North Division Champions in 2007 and 2008.
The football tradition the school is most proud of is it's claim to having the oldest homecoming game in college football. Seems the Mizzou Tigers started the tradition that most other colleges now practice annually.
Mizzou's record against the SEC:
Missouri has met SEC teams 29 times and holds a 20-8-1 record for a .696 winning percentage.
The Tigers have winning records against nine SEC schools: Alabama (2-1), Arkansas (3-2), Auburn (1-0), Florida (1-0), LSU (1-0), Mississippi State (2-0), Ole Miss (5-1), South Carolina (2-0), Vanderbilt (2-1-1).
They have a losing record against Georgia (0-1), Kentucky (1-2), and no history against Tennessee (0-0).
(Texas A&M vs SEC after the jump).
TEXAS A&M:
Before joining the Big 12, Texas A&M football earned one national title and 18 South West Conference titles. The Aggies have won 3 Big 12 South Division Championships. A&M has gone to 32 Bowl games and has a 13-19 record.
The school has finished in the AP top 25 - 24 times including 11 Top Ten seasons.
The Aggies play all home games at Kyle Field (the home of the 12th man), which has a seating capacity of 83,002. Their stadium has a reputation as a tough place for visiting teams with a 251-122-12 home record. They were especially tough to beat in the 1990s, when coach R.C. Slocum had a 55-4-1 record, including winning streaks of 31 (between 1990-1995) and 22 (1996-2000).
The school has several famous traditions including the 12th man. The tradition beckons back to 1922 when third string player E. King Gill had been sent to the press box before the game to help reporters identify players. When the team saw several injuries, the coach called Gill to the field in case he was needed to help out the team.
In modern times A&M coaches have used walk-ons to field the 12th man special teams kickoff unit. Also the A&M Corps stand and yell constantly during the games in the spirit of the 12th man. The fans hold practice screaming sessions to get ready for each game. It’s called Midnight Yell Practice, and thousands of Aggies fans participate in the tradition every Friday night before Saturday games.
Observers say this has made Aggieland one of the most intimidating venues in all of college football.
A&M's record against the SEC:
Texas A&M has met SEC teams 142 times, mainly due to an old rivalry with LSU as well as having played Arkansas in the old South West Conference. They have a cumulative record against the SEC of 58-78-6 for a .426 winning percentage.
The Aggies have a winning record against 3 SEC schools: Ole Miss (4-0), Georgia (3-2), and Auburn (2-0). They have a losing record against 4 SEC schools: Arkansas (24-40-3), LSU (20-27-3), Alabama (1-3), and Tennessee (0-2). The Aggies have not played South Carolina or Vandy and hold tie records against Florida (1-1), Kentucky (1-1), and Miss State (2-2).
While there is still doubt in some circles just how valuable the new members will be to the SEC, there is little debate over what the conference sees in bringing these two teams into the league. In short it's the dollar$ in new television markets and to a lesser degree, the hope of an expanding recruiting presence in Texas and the Midwest.
The presence of the two new teams will not greatly upset the balance of the league. However, adding two new teams will make it even more difficult to make it through conference play undefeated. A feat which is paramount in the BCS era if a team hopes to play for a national championship. That's why this author didn't think conference expansion was a good idea. After all money isn't every thing - unless you are a conference commissioner.
In the meantime SEC fan, get to know your newest members; for better or worse, they are apart of us now.
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Great insight into the new members
Thanks for providing such good insight and history of aTm and Mizzou. I for one don’t mind aTm joining as they expand us in Texas and are sortof the southeast and have SEC type traditions…but Mizzou is definitely not southeast and doesn’t fit at all geographically or tradition-wise. Considering how the Big 10 fares against other conferences in bowl games, I’m not sure we’d benefit at all from the recruiting grounds there…but I guess they’re coming whether this Auburn man likes it or not…
clarification
by referring to the Big 10, I was talking about the midwest recruting grounds since that is where Mizzou is located…
I have lived in the area a bit
and Columbia’s actually closer to Auburn than you’d think. It’s a fairly small town with a strong ag base. They had a couple of crap decades but over the past 10 years they’ve resurrected their football program.
Ask Arkansas how they do in bowl games. They are an up and comer, see USCe before Spurrier. I love the move because my tigers will actually come up on occasion to whp these yankee tigers, but I also think they’re a decent fit.
by SEC Supremacist on Nov 2, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Appreciate it Zoom
And I agree with your analysis re. Mizzou’s fit. I have spent a lot of time in the state over the years and although the people are nice, they do not consider themselves any part of the South. For what I could see there was much more passion for all the professional teams as opposed to following college football.
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
A really nice post..
Great angle to look at the new members. We need to even the score with those pesky newcomers, and then dominate them continually!
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Of great importance
The presence of the two new teams will not greatly upset the balance of the league. However, adding two new teams will make it even more difficult to make it through conference play undefeated. A feat which is paramount in the BCS era if a team hopes to play for a national championship.
Yet another reason it’s imperative to get a quarter final playoff system going. We SHOULD go to a 10 conference game system (6 in your same division, 1 annual cross divisional rivalry, and 3 alternating cross divisional games) and only 2 patsies. There’s no reason to only play one or two cross divisional teams per year, taking over a decade to play them all. Just my 2.5 cents.
Rotators
I don’t know why we can’t keep it at two rotators and then have two permanent cross divisional games if we must go to a ten game conference schedule. That way Auburn could move to the east and Alabama could still play us and Tennessee.
Now accepting applications for SEC membership.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 2, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be great as well, but I don't see the ability to make it work. My notion would be along the lines of
2012
UGA home
Vandy away
TN home
Mizzou away
2013
UGA away
USCe home
FL away
UK home
2014
UGA home
Vandy home
TN away
Mizzou home
2015
UGA away
USCe away
FL home
UK away
2016
UGA home
Vandy away
TN home
Mizzou away
Etc. That way every 2 years we play every team in the conference. I think we have to play every team in the conference in order to claim the full strength of the SEC. Lets say USCe only had to play two SEC west teams this year and they got Ole Miss and Arkansas, yet they run the table in the East on a down year. Do they really get to claim the strength of a full SEC schedule? I’d argue not. Just my irrelevant thoughts.
by SEC Supremacist on Nov 2, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Two more Miss. States on the schedule
No real rivalry, no real excitement generated, but tough teams to play. If you beat them, you should have….and if you lose it really F’s up your season. Slive must be banking on the SEC Champ going to the BCS title game regardless of record.
I love the smell of Auburn in the autumn.....it smells like....victory.
If there was any doubt...
There are still those that want to dispel the notion that the SEC is the toughest test in America. The college football world, would have zero excuses for thinking otherwise after these two join the SEC.
It also would enhance the argument that a one loss SEC team is better than most undefeated teams elsewhere.
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SEC expansion, a bad idea
I fear the SEC has just leveled the playing field for the rest of the conferences. I don’t know that we will be able to see a run like 5 in a row national champions.
Did I miss something?
I mean I know the SEC had the blip announcing Mizzou that immediately got pulled down, but have they officially announced them since or is this just a REALLY strong assumption. Not criticizing…I actually live under a rock!
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum."
It's not official
Mizzou is working on legal issues from the Big Equation. Soon.
by SEC Supremacist on Nov 2, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I may have to wipe the egg off my face later and ...
Pull my foot out of my mouth but all sources say it’s a done deal. There’s a few more i’s to dot and t’s to cross like Mizzou’s lawyer’s finding the best way for the Tigers to extricate themselves from the Big 12.
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Rec’d for Quoting Sun Tzu and The Art of War
Very informative post. Thanks ATM.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Nov 2, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
I thought he was quoting RATM ;)
KNOW YOUR ENEMY!
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Other good military axioms:
Tracer rounds work both ways…
Try not to eject over the area which you just bombed…
Expect the QB keeper when Kiehl Frazier is in the game.
Now accepting applications for SEC membership.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 2, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Aprreciate it JJ
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
I do think that this particular post was indeed very informative, thank you for explaining the goings on. New members often are not given nearly enough credit, but this does indeed help us understand a bit more of what is going on.
by mayara taglietta on Nov 2, 2011 10:30 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks Mayara
And welcome to Track Em Tigers. Hope to hear from you again.
War Eagle
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
Welcome to TET...
Feel free to chime in at anytime, and thanks for being here.
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Over 30 hour round trip to Columbia, Missouri
But the good news is plenty of tickets available since they don’t fill up their stadium. Capacity 71,000 – avg. attendance 64,000.
It's not that far even from Gainesville.
I graduated from Mizzou in 2010 and currently live in Orlando. The drive from Orlando is about 28 hours round trip. Missouri is a better fit than you might think, Columbia is very comparable to Athens as far as the city and campus are concerned. The older alumni aren’t the best of fans since the football team sucked when they were at Mizzou, but the students and the younger alumni rock the stadium. I believe the stadium will easily fill up now that Missouri is in the SEC, Big 12 fans travel horribly so their were never more than a couple hundred visiting students hiding up in the for corner of the stadium. Ole Miss traveled to Missouri better than any school in my time their. The capacity is a little iffy since the North end zone is a grassy hill with a rock “M” on it where fans can get tickets and sit in the grass. From what I hear the school is already planning renovations to add boxes to the east side of the stadium and to draw fans down lower on the south side of the stadium. The game itself is a great experience, but take it from me Mizzou students can be particularly vulgar and the sorority girls while hot, don’t care about football only about looking good at the game and getting drunk. If you go to Columbia for a game, the tailgates are pretty good and most people will be nice before the game… Shakespears Pizza is a must, also you can’t beat the bar prices…. Campus Bar and Grill has $2 pitchers, Bengals has dollar quadruple well drinks and Harpos has dollar bears. HAVE FUN!!!
Good defense of adding Mizzou
(and I don’t care what it does for capacity, I’ve always liked the stadiums that have creative things going on in the endzones: like the stone fence and tower at Toledo, or the grassy bit there at Mizzou)
But this:
"The ball will be spotted at the six-inch-yardline."
oops
But this:
The drive from Orlando is about 28 hours round trip.
Crosses the threshold of “fanaticism” straight into “masochism”.
If you would willingly do that much driving in a three- or four-day period, I tip my hat. Commitment: you got it in spades, my friend.
"The ball will be spotted at the six-inch-yardline."
You must drive pretty fast
I have made the trip to KC many times and it takes at least 17 hrs one way from Pine Mt, Ga. with only gas and RR stops. BTW not sure it’s a good recomendation to say Columbia is like Athens, that palce is the arnpit of the SEC.
“…and the sorority girls, while hot, don’t care about football…” Ouch. Please give us a bit more credit than that! Two of my sorority members are managers of Mizzou Athletics, and many are athletic tutors. We have our own group seating and we take our game participation very seriously. I’m sure some girls will fall under this category, but please know that the women in our Greek system care deeply about football and we’re all excited about the move to the SEC! I’ll agree with everything else though, I can’t wait to throw down with some elite fans at Harpo’s.
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