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Freshman offensive linemen cannot be effective starters in the SEC.

 

     War Eagle, everybody! For the third time this year, we've got snow covered streets and snarled traffic in North Central Alabama. This is the same state that went years without measurable white stuff after the 2001 New Year's Day snow. Wow, I guess global warming is to blame? There's something magical about a cup of warm coffee and the morning sun on a snow covered yard! Us folk in Alabama should enjoy it while we can.

 

     I really enjoyed the banter in the comments after War Eagle Atlanta's excellent Tuesday post. He's absolutely right. Underestimate Auburn football at your own peril. The rebuttals were humorous, full of old saws and tired college football platitudes that aren't really true any more.

 

     Many folks still subscribe to the idea that freshmen can't be effective college football players. This idea belongs back in the days of black and white television, and only one college football game a week on the tube. In particular, the popular complaint is that 18 year old linemen have no chance. I see that trotted out every year in football columns and comments, and it's such hogwash!

 

     Think back just three and half years ago in Auburn football history. Auburn started out lethargically, with a close win over Kansas State, followed by shocking losses to South Florida and Mississippi State at home. What was the solution to Auburn's woes? Freshman linemen. Oh, but you can't win with a freshman on the O-line in the SEC! Can't be done! Auburn finished the 2007 season with Lee Ziemba, Ryan Pugh and Chaz Ramsey all starting on the O-line as true freshmen. These guys won in Fayetteville against D-Mac and co. They took national champion LSU to the wire. They beat Bama, and the clinching play was a brutal smash up the middle by Brad Lester. They beat a loaded Clemson team. They went to the Swamp and beat defending national champion Florida. But you can't win in the SEC with freshmen linemen...

 

     The 2007 trio weren't the first Auburn offensive linemen to do well as freshmen. Future NFL'er Ben Grubbs was a freshman starter in 2005, on a team that scored 48 on South Carolina, 34 on Arkansas, 49 on Kentucky, 31 on Georgia, and 28 on Bama. Marcus McNeil started at right tackle as a true freshman in 2002, and that team put up almost 30 points per game. Kendall Simmons had some starts as a true freshman on the 1997 Western Division title team. Willie Anderson started as a true freshman on the 1993 unbeaten Auburn team and Victor Riley started at left tackle the year after. I'd argue that the same is true for freshmen defensive linemen. Tracy Rocker made an impact in his first season. Other names of Auburn freshmen D-line phenoms include Jimmy Brumbaugh, Leonardo Carson, DeMarco McNeil, Reggie Torbor, Stanley McClover and Quentin Groves.

 

     The idea behind a four or five star recruiting rating is that the player IS physically ready to play college ball. Now we can argue that some of those players don't pan out in their first year, but many do. I remember folks saying early in 2008 that Alabama was too young to do much better than their 7-6 campaign the year before. All that Bama squad did was win 12 games. With Auburn's coaching staff intact for the third straight year, there's every reason to think that this team will hit the ground running. We haven't had this kind of assistant coaching stability in quite some time!

 

     Now that I have that rant out of my system, I'll move on to basketball. I told myself I wasn't going to get too worked up about Tony Barbee's inaugural season, however it went. Surprisingly, I've enjoyed the games I've seen this January and February. We didn't expect too many victories this year, not after the attrition this team has suffered. Signees couldn't get in school, players were injured right and left, but somehow Barbee is putting a hard-fighting squad out there night after night. Earnest Ross had a monster game against Georgia. The skinny sophomore guard was fearless taking the ball to the rack against a big strong Bulldog team. My favorite player on the team is walk-on Josh Wallace. I guess someone forgot to tell him that basketball is a big man's game. Wallace is maybe 160 pounds soaking wet, but he continues to make great plays on both offense and defense against the giants in SEC basketball.

 

     Many folks believe that next year's basketball team will be greatly different. Guard Frankie Sullivan should return after rehabbing his knee. Texas transfer Varez Ward is said to be lighting it up in practice lately, and he'll be eligible next season. Another transfer will enter the mix in January of 2012, Noel Johnson from Clemson. He's an athletic big man with ACC experience.

 

     One question in regards to the team is junior center Rob Chubb, who had really started to make a move towards the end of January. Chubb has been suspended indefinitely, presumably for a late night drunken brawl on January 30th with the police. I'd expect that his road back will be difficult. I'd hope that Coach Barbee has outlined a tough but fair way for Chubb to redeem himself. And I hope that Chubb makes the necessary sacrifices to return. If not, then I hope he learns from the experience and goes on to success elsewhere. With the amount of new players coming in, space on the Auburn roster will be tight.

 

     Finally, what in the world is up with the hatred espoused towards Bama signees Cyrus Kouandjio and Brent Calloway? Both considered (and committed to) Auburn during the recruiting process but ended up at Alabama, presumably because of family pressure. Many Tiger fans are enraged that the two young mens' parents exerted influence on them to choose the Tide. I might remind such folk that similar pressure was put upon Cam Newton a little more than a year ago, and we saw how that turned out! Parents helping their children pick colleges is not a new thing, at all. In fact, several generations back, you went where daddy said, period. I sure wish I had seriously listened to my parents a lot more when I was 18 years old.

 

     Auburn could have used Calloway and Kouandjio, but we'll soldier on without them. Any bitterness is misplaced at best. In football, where one man falls, another has an opportunity to step up in his place. There are a ton of young Auburn freshmen and sophomores that will amaze and delight us in the coming years. You can bet on that!

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Thanks, Acid...

your post is entertaining, and brings up several good poimts.
 WEA’s tuesday post was very good, and the discussion was interesting for the most part.
 After seeing too many kid’s wash out of programs early, I have to be shown they can excell in the SEC. I can not bring myself to the “reload without missing a step” philosophy when replaceing SEC starters. I would not argue the talent is not there, just, the learned ability to compete in the SEC comes from coaching and experience. Your examples of success are many, but I would argue that just as many or more never reached their full potential.
 What was going through Rob Chubbs mind? Other than alcohol, what ever possesed him to act like that? I don’t know if we will ever find out. Opportunity lost in my opinion.
 While I’ll agree that there were some fans pissed at the two recruits for swapping, their anger was directed in the wrong direction. I am not, nor will ever be a parent, so this comes without first hand knowledge. It seems to me that raising a child from total dependancey to independance requires that somewhere along the line that dependancey must be trusted, and supported. If a kid says “Dad what do you think about this?” and you give them your opinion, yet they still choose to go in another direction (in regards to college choice, mind you) why would you intervene? Maybe a parent could answer that for me, because I only experienced that from the childs perspective.

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by KoolBell777 on Feb 10, 2011 10:16 AM CST reply actions  

I've been thinking about this, I think that it depends on the kid and the situation.

I am a young parent, so someone like Acid will likely have a much better answer based on actual life decisions, not how we ideally see ourselves being nominated for parent of the year. Case in point: The choices that we are helping our son make (because he is a very cute 14 months) pertain to situations such as, “We read the book; we don’t eat the book” and “We pet CopperDog; we don’t poke CopperDog” to which he looks up and says, ‘Dawga’ while pulling on the ear of extraordinarily patient dog. But I digress.

If Baby TOTM were to come up and say that he would like to take a year off before starting college, my gut reaction would be, ‘Hell No!’. However and hopefully, I would ask what he would want to do with the year? Is this for travel (how will he fund it) or is this so he can sit at home on the couch and play video games?

Since we don’t know Cyrus like his parents do, it might be a situation where they felt that he needed his brother and that added influence for his first couple of years. Someone to help him stay focused or not feel as homesick, whatever. However, the longer it takes for parents to truly let go, the uglier it gets when you finally untie those apron strings.

by Tiger on the mountain on Feb 10, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Age doesn't really help...

….as far as guessing how much rope to give ’em! The older I get, the more I realize how little I know!

……In my opinion, there are two choices for the high school grad in the Reign household: Go to school, or get a job. There will be no fully funded X-Box rides in this house!

……You can’t really make a kid in their late teens do anything. You can nag, plead, threaten, or try to motivate. They are going to make up their own mind. Often, it’s better as a parent to just shut up. They don’t want to hear it, and might not do the right thing if the idea came from Mom or Dad!

…..That said, it is sometimes quite irritating to hear them talk about being stifled when they are getting room, board, home cooking, insurance and tuition money from their oppressors/parents!

by Acid Reign on Feb 10, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

For the record,

there will be no fully funded x-box rides in the TOTM household either. My son loves to give me hugs and screeches every time I come home, so I am NOT looking forward to the teenage years when I will inevitably transition from ‘Yay! Mom!’ to ‘Oh, Mom, the evil-antiquated oppressor’. The only reason why I might be open to a break was that my husband took one during college to go work in the Adirondacks for about a year. It was actually the best thing that he could have ever done for himself. He lived in a tent (slept in a boat house in the winter), worked for his food and learned a lot about himself.

At 17/18, I definitely had a choice, in-state college or out-of-state college. And if it was the later I needed a scholarship. If I let my GPA fall, then it would get yanked back to UAB (which sounded way worse then, than it does now). The fact that I had those choices, I will forever be grateful.

by Tiger on the mountain on Feb 10, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, if those kids love it when you get home...

…..you’re doing it right! You’ll do fine with teenagers, too.

…..I always dreaded the parents getting home. I had usually done something worthy of a whipping that day, and I knew it was coming. I think collectively, society has learn a LOT about what works in the parenting world, and what doesn’t.

by Acid Reign on Feb 11, 2011 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I must begin with huge approval to your comments about Josh Wallace. What

can be said about a walk-on with heart and desire like he has displayed? The Auburn Creed walking, so far, IMO. I don’t know his character off the court, but if it’s anything like is displayed on the court, I’d hold him up as an example to my son anyday.

I also look forward to our young team next year! It will be difficult to match 2010 in record, but 2011 AU football is full of potential and possibility – bring it on!

As far as the CK and BC situations, as a mom, it’s hard to turn off the “I know what’s best for you” mentality that has been in place since your chillun were tiny (ask my 16 year old son, he’ll be happy to tell you!). I have said from the beginning that these young men are at a great school and I wish them well – their parents did, I am sure, what they felt best for them. I look at Chubb a bit the same. He’s a kid who made a stupid decision. Let’s see now if he can grow and learn from it – it’s what becoming an adult is about, isn’t it?

Great post! Yay for snow days!!!!! War Eagle for all time.

by aubgrad on Feb 10, 2011 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

Wallace - Auburb creed walking? Agreed.

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by aubtigerman on Feb 10, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

havin fun in the snow here in NC also...

be safe out there… but don’t forget to get all up in it and have some fun.

thanks for your post. i appreciate all the back-up work you put together.

WAR EAGLE!

you do it and you wipe it up.

by buddy Ro on Feb 10, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

Oh, and by the way...

I caught the Bill and Ted reference….

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by KoolBell777 on Feb 10, 2011 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

Good point

about the two kids who went to Bama. Since when do any of us not have family pressure? And how many untold players have we ended up with as a result of that pressure going our way?

Spilled milk…

I guess they'll be scalping tickets for A-Day this spring.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 10, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Love this!

Theme: limitless potential. It’s true for Auburn’s young football team and it’s true for Barbee’s Bball team. Next year is going to be very exciting!!

by Tiger on the mountain on Feb 10, 2011 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

Have you heard from CKTCooper recently?.....

I don’t think I’ve seen her on here lately, I hope everything is ok.

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by KoolBell777 on Feb 10, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I pestered her late last night,

and she seems to be feeling better. She was feeling a flu-like illness, but happily got her hands on some tamiflu. Because she was feeling icky, I did not go into, “well if you had gotten the vaccine….”. I think that in addition to feeling under the weather, she has been swamped at work.

by Tiger on the mountain on Feb 10, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks

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by KoolBell777 on Feb 10, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad to hear she is doing better...

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Feb 10, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The fever is gone...

However the aches and coughing are still there.I feel like a whiney baby even mentioning it. I promise I’m not a drama queen or one of those people who can’t deal with being sick. Trust me, having muscular dystrophy and cerebal palsy doesn’t allow me to be much of a whiner. I mean, you either sit and complain about it on a constant basis, or you deal with it and make the best of it. The only problem is that when I get it’s much harder on me than most people as it’s already hard for me to be really active you know? With that stated, I still didn’t miss a day of work or trivia or martial arts. I realize I’m rambling and please accept my most sincere of apologies. I’m a bit intoxicated at the moment and I tend to be a bit loquacious when I drink. I am so thankful I have all of you guys on here and please mods don’t ever ban me no matter how stupid something I might say is :P. Honestly, I’m not that stupid as it might seem on here hahaha.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Feb 11, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You are family, Sparkey...

And you are not allowed to quit us, or us quit you. You got that?

WAR EAGLE!

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by KoolBell777 on Feb 12, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks man...

I appreciate it and I’ve got it :)

WAR EAGLE!

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Feb 13, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad that your fever is gone!

Flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, none of those are easy to get over for anyone, but especially if you have other complications. You weren’t whining..I asked, remember??

by Tiger on the mountain on Feb 13, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Chubb's suspension ...

 … really hurts, both for Auburn and for Rob as well. He made his mistake just at the time that he was really starting to come around for Auburn.
The error in judgement may wind up really hurting him because next year there will probably have to be some roster cuts as new players are signed. If he had finished this season on a high note, he would’ve been in a good position to be a returning veteran for the 2011-2012.

As always Acid – enjoyed the read.

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by aubtigerman on Feb 10, 2011 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

You know

This year’s basketball team is less talented than any of Jeff Lebo’s teams, but they’re infinitely more fun to watch even if they are getting beat on a regular basis. We actually switch up defense! Show offensive variety! These are novel concepts to anyone who’s watched Auburn basketball for the last six years.

I’m excited to see where Barbee takes the program. Next year we’ll probably be the most improved team in the conference. If he keeps recruiting well (which he’s always done), we should challenge for a spot in the big dance every year.

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions

by jd is legend on Feb 10, 2011 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

Well I like your stuff Acid...

I love you work generally, and here yet again you’ve written quite a piece. With that said, I think most of the anger was towards CK’s family and BC’s guardian Peaches. I think we haven’t heard the end of the thing with Peaches. I’m willing to bet you’ll hear more about that later. That’s just a gut feeling. In addition, I think it just looks terrible with CK’s family. He said himself, on national TV, he wanted to go to Auburn University. The father says he got more facebook posts from UA so that’s why he chose to go there. Really?? That’s why you choose to spend four years of your life somewhere, because of facebook posts when Auburn’s people told them to stay off of CK’s facebook page because no good could come of it? Yes, I think Auburn people are completely entitled to be angry at the families of those perspective athletes. With that said, none of the anger placed towards those two kids themselves is placed in the right area. They are just kids and we need to give them a pass.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Feb 10, 2011 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

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