People Are Crazy
by Jay Coulter on Jul 11, 2011 3:00 AM CDT
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PrintFor the better part of six months, Auburn people have debated the origins of the national championship backlash the school has battled on a near daily basis. In true Charles Dickens form, these months have been marked by the best of times and the worst of times.
Last week's news cycle was dominated by Gene Chizik's national book tour. Tuning in to ESPN's family of channels was near impossible without seeing his face. It's been that kind of off-season; Auburn continues to take the good with the bad.
While critics will point to paranoia among Auburn people, it's hard to argue against the drive-by journalism aimed Auburn's way. The source of this deep undercurrent remains a mystery.
Is it orchestrated by those who wear crimson? Does some of it come from Athens or Baton Rouge? Do the other members of the SEC Big Six (Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee and Florida) really view Auburn as a runaway train that must be stopped?
Some Auburn insiders believe this is the case. Auburn was not supposed to win a national title and produce a third Heisman Trophy winner; certainly not the season following Alabama's self-anointed renaissance.
Despite the public showing of unity after the poisoning at Toomer's Corner and the horrific tornado in Tuscaloosa, has anything really changed? Despite the relative success of Nick Saban's tenure, do Tide fans fear Auburn emerging into a perennial national power that will compete for national titles more years than not? What about the rest of the SEC?
In two short seasons, Chizik and staff have not only surpassed Alabama on the field, but has become the "It" program for high school athletes across the country. From its Under Armour uniforms to its Cam Newton coolness, Auburn is hotter than Destin in July.
This has clearly set off alarm bells across the South. Look no further than the SEC athletic directors picking a Tennessee tennis player over Newton as its male athlete of the year. For the record, every other Heisman winner has taken home the award.
Some Auburn people assert that using lackeys like Paul Finebaum and sites like Sports By Brooks (run by a Georgia graduate), critics are able to continue fueling this type of coverage.
Perhaps the most disgusting example came a few weeks ago when Brooks ran a story on the Auburn Tigerettes receiving "tens of thousands of dollars" for escorting players during recruiting visits. It was scoffed at by mainstream media outlets because every major institution in the country pays its hostesses and it's not against NCAA rules.
Despite its reputation for poor reporting, the Sports By Brooks article gained national attention and I found myself on a Knoxville radio show that afternoon defending the Tigerettes.
The most despicable part of the story came later that day on The Paul Finebaum Radio Show. Instead of defending these innocent girls, Finebaum stood by and allowed his army of ignorant callers to phone the program and make accusations and insinuations against these young ladies in relation to their hostess duties.
Finebaum's actions (or inaction) led to Jack Arute, host of Sirius/XM radio program, College Football Playbook, call for Finebaum's removal from the network. He was clearly disgusted by Finebaum and said his program had no business being carried nationally.
To think that a national radio host could stand by and let these young girls have their reputations trashed and still keep his job is incomprehensible. The fact that no other media outlet in the state made mention of the episode probably tells us all we need to know about the source of many of these stories.
At the end of the day, many of Auburn's media issues are likely a result of conference envy. A lot of SEC schools are threatened by Auburn's success - none more than Alabama.
To quote a recent story on The Never to Yield Foundation website, "Over the last 30 years, Auburn owns a statistical advantage in virtually every category over rival and supposed traditional power Alabama. The Tigers top the Tide in total wins, SEC wins, head-to-head wins, bowl wins and SEC titles, undefeated seasons and Heisman Trophy winners.
"Since the retirement of Bear Bryant, without question one of the most dominant coaches in college football history, the norm is for Auburn to be on top. The championship season of 2010 was not an anomaly; it was the return to form of a team that has now gone undefeated twice in the same decade."
Auburn has long since dominated football in the state of Alabama. Now it's threatening to do it nationally on a regular basis. That's more than a lot of people can stomach.
To quote country singer Billy Currington, "His kids were mad as hell; but me, I'm doing well."
That pretty much sums up Auburn these days.
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Thanks Jay. I too was disgusted by many of these stories and outraged by the TIgerette one.
I’d love,yes love, to see that yellow journalist coward Brooks make his accusations to the face of the parents of those coeds. what a bunch of crap. I don’t listen to Finebaum but I can only imagine what was said. Auburn fans should continue to show the class that we expect. I long for the days when we were appalled by our own bad behavior and chastised our own fans, even at games, for bad behavior.
Col. Angus' fanpost seemed to strike at the heart of it...
The zeitgeist of our culture is to deconstruct, question, criticize, and analyze. None of those are bad things, in and of themselves, obviously; but when combined with the jaded, skeptical natures that we’ve developed, happy endings have become an endangered species.
I don’t think that there’s any SEC-wide conspiracy, although I do think that the ties that bind — that is, conference affiliation — occasionally affect matters (a la SBB and its owner’s link to Georgia, of which I wasn’t aware).
Another one of these?
The tennis guy was all-american in doubles and singles all 4 years at UT, and is only the second person in history to do that. He finished ranked 10th this year. I would bet that his selection over Newton had more to do with (a)Newton’s extremely short tenure as a player in the SEC and (b) the all-time greatness of the tennis player than trying to take a shot at Auburn.
You should be proud the media is spending so much time on you, that means you’re on top. As AU Tiger just said, the media is fueled by negative stories about the big items in the news. They’re going to try and find bad stuff to talk about, just like the did with USC, OSU, and every other team that’s been great over the past decade.
I don’t think people in the SEC want Auburn to be bad more than they do any other rival, and they certainly aren’t going to go on a smear campaign against them. Why wouldn’t people have done that to Bama or Florida? Those schools were definitely seen (and probably still are) as more likely to be a consistent national threat than Auburn is now, and nobody has done any of the things you claim towards them. Just drop the victim complex, ignore what everyone else says, and enjoy the greatness that was your last football season. People will leave you alone if you ignore them.
Ignore and they will leave you alone?
Gene Chizik has pretty much done that (to the disapointment to tha media), and it hasn’t worked yet.
by GreenvilleAUfan on Jul 11, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
People will leave us alone if we ignore them???
I think Auburn, the university, has done a great job of ignoring them, not giving interviews, or commenting on the salacious accusations made against them. Trouble is, that hasn’t exactly cooled the attacks. Instead you have just about every media outlet broach every story about Auburn as “More bad news for Auburn”….“More trouble on the plains”…..“Auburn’s season of controversy continues”…..ad nauseum. Other than the FACTUAL robbery by four IMMEDIATELY FORMER Tiger players, everything has been a hoax, a baseless accusation, or a completely contrived story. We all know this, but the public at large just hears the lies that are being reported and most take them at face value.
I think we as fans have been extremely reserved as well, seeing as how Auburns gets insulted and accused of all manner of improprieties. For instance, if my daughter was a Tigerette and outight being accused of prostitution I think I would lose my mind if I couldn’t get my hands on the editors at SportsbyBrooks. We are being asked to absorb an AWFUL lot, to just right it off to “their is no bad publicity”. But to our credit, nobody has pulled an Updyke and gone bonkers. But the attacks need to stop….its past the point of turning the other cheek.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
You say -
“People will leave you alone if you ignore them.” We have tried that with you and once again – here you are with another lecture to us.
by PineMtTiger on Jul 11, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't it funny.....
Our rivals continue to invent lie after lie about Auburn, and yet they complain to us that we are whiny and delusional because we have gall to defend ourselves.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
I'm not calling you whiners
But you are awfully defensive. It’s hard not to be, given everything thrown y’all’s way, but people (like me, for example) probably wouldn’t bother if you if you didn’t write posts every couple weeks about how everyone is out to get you.
Well when you hear lies everyday.....
two weeks seems like a long time!!
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
I suppose
But you’re really just restating things that have been said several times.
And so do all the trolls...
You know you would do the same if this was about UGA,
I just take offense at how cavalierly people throw out the “Well you know Auburn cheated.” I mean, how are you supposed to react? If you don’t confront the lie, it becomes truth to those who don’t hear the other side…and its amazing how hard people will fight to promote a lie.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
Nobody knows if Auburn cheated
There is evidence, but no one knows for sure. Maybe I know don’t know myself that well, but I would like to think that I would be enjoying being the reigning national championships more than listening to everyone we beat.
Evidence?
What evidence…..if you know of evidence that AU cheated you have knowledge of something that no news agency nor the NCAA has been able to produce. Hearsay is not evidence.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Depends on the court
But it’s not just hearsay, there is circumstantial evidence. It may not as convincing as direct evidence, but it would be admitted in a courtroom. There is no concrete, direct evidence as of yet that anything wrong has gone on.
Well lets say its a court that operates on the basis of law....
I forgot to preface my “evidence” comment with - credible or even remotely proveable. There isn’t a court in the United States, outside of small claims, that would waste their time on a case where the primary evidence is testimony from participants in the case who have a vested interest in the outcome. The only evidence that counts is what Cecil admitted to, and nobody even knows to what he exactly admitted to. Whatever it was, it was apparently enough for the NCAA to allow Cam to play and NOT serve Auburn with a formal LOI. Remember, Auburn brought this to the NCAA prior to it getting in the media AND fully cooperated with whatever the NCAA wanted to investigate. That pretty much trumps anything else presented “as evidence” in the whole affair, and you know it. You just don’t want to admit it.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
No court in the country would hear that kind of case?
No court would hear a case between two large corporations over a contract dispute which arose during negotiations between the two? No court would hear a case where an accident victim is suing the accident causer unless someone else was around to see the accident? That’s just plain wrong.
Circumstantial evidence is by it’s nature not really “proveable”. If it was, they wouldn’t call it “circumstantial”. This kind of evidence requires an additional inference by someone to make it support their case. In this instance, a lawyer would probably show that Cecil admitted to seeking money from Miss State to suggest that he also asked for money from Auburn, or also show that he suddenly had enough money to keep his church from being condemned shortly after Cam committed to Auburn. This would imply that he also asked, and received, money from Auburn. That is what circumstantial evidence does.
Did Auburn bring this to the NCAA’s attention? I thought Miss State did that. Even so, it’s interesting that you think it would “trump” everything since this action would actually be circumstantial evidence, rather than direct evidence, that they did anything wrong.
If that's your circumstantial evidence.....
he did it at one school so he must have done so at the other is absurd……has OU or UT come forward and said that Cecil solicited money for Cam’s services? That would be a “NO” in case you need the help. So since he didn’t do it at those schools who by the way have all been in huge trouble for pay for play scenarios why would one assume he did it at AU…..you could even go further using your “weak argument” and say that had he done so at UT and eventually signed with AU then UT would be a whistle blower since in the past they were a whistle blower in a similar scenario (Albert Means).
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
You asked me to show you the circumstantial evidence
And that’s what I did. There are of course counterarguments, as there always are against hypotheticals. I wasn’t saying it proved anything, just that it was there.
Its still one word against another....
the “circumstantial” evidence almost entirely comes as anecdotal evidence from Rogers and Bond. Rogers “evidence” is highly questionable due to the fact he had already been caught lying about representing athletes.
As far as who went to the NCAA first. You do the math. Auburn says they vetted Newton via the compliance office prior to signing him. Allegedly they cleared the Newton situation with the NCAA at that time. Miss St. did not report Rogers involvement to the NCAA until after Nat’l signing day. Regardless, any reasonable person has to throw out Miss States complaint since they continued to recruit him after the alleged transgression took place. So in short, yeah that trumps the circumstantial evidence. Next.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
Touche Counciler!!
Lets turn from the meat of the arguement to the garnish. This way you don’t have to address the that you don’t have the facts straight. But its a nice way to opt out on your part.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
Hahaha, ok pal
You clearly do not have a grasp on what I was talking about. Accusations are not evidence, so I could care less about Miss State’s accusations.
Circumstantial evidence?
LOL are you referring to the HBO thing? Hardly evidence.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Actually it is
Lawyers would try and use Auburn’s past history as a consistent rule breaker to show that they would be willing to break the rules again. That is, of course, if those guys are telling the truth.
Since when are accusations evidence?
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
You don't ignore me though
As evidenced by the 5 replies to my one post.
There is no debate about that.....
you are an exceptional irritant.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
So.....
what you’re saying is it’s not the “SEC male athlete of the year” but the “SEC male athlete of the last four years as long as he was at the same school the whole time, and was good those four, even though he didn’t end up his last year on the top of his game.”
Oh, the cleverness of me!
by GreenRoomTiger on Jul 11, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No, not at all
I’m just saying it’s not so surprising, and shouldn’t be taken as an insult, that they chose that tennis player over Cam Newton. Sure he wasn’t in a major revenue sport, but he was still a dominating athlete.
Really???
Cmon, you can’t believe that wasn’t political. I don’t care one way or the other, I just think its funny that the SEC AD’s…..WHO LIVE AND DIE BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL….would pick a tennis player over the Heisman Trophy winner. I don’t care if he was Bjorn Friggin Borg, that shouldn’t happen in the SEC.
But it did. Thats hysterical. Talk about your Triival Pursuit stumper.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
Look at the list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SEC_Male_Athlete_of_the_Year
You’ll find that many (including most of the last decade) of the SEC male athlete’s of the year have not been football players. In fact most of them are track athletes.
I really don’t believe it was political at all. Maybe, just maybe, what this guy did is just as great as what Cam did. I know that may be hard to believe, but it is possible.
Cam's the first SEC heisman winner to not recieve the award.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
As a tennis player and fan...
…..I’ll file the selection in the “Woodson over Manning” category. It’s still a head-scratcher to me in the SEC, but the kid did have some amazing accomplishments.
......Drowning in cool elixir.
I'm not sure if I would go that far
I admit I was a little surprised as well, but it’s not as if the tennis player won it by flashing some pose or something. You can at least make the argument that the guy deserves it.
It was Anti Auburn...
AND YOU DAMN WELL KNOW IT
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
by Sparkey on Jul 12, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sparkey
you never fail to deliver!
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Every day we make it, we'll make it the best we can.
by animalcracker on Jul 13, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Right on Jay
Couldn’t have been said any better.The dean of Alabama Sports writters, Phillip Marshal, agrees with you. He has said he has never seen anything like the hatefulnes that has been spewed at one school in his more than 40 yrs of being in the business.
Also as much as I loathe the finebaum show, I would have never guessed he would have stooped so low as to promote the disparaging of someone’s daughters. Brooks however, is an altogether ’nother case.
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AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
I listen to Finebaum only if I happen to be driving and it's on
but I was listening when that show came on, and was appauled. I cannot believe a 50 (best guess?) year old man had the nerve to get on national radio and insinuate that a couple of 20 year old girls that he’s never met are no better than common street walking prostitutes. It was absurd. He has no business being on radio.
Auburn Tigers 2010 National Champions
by FlyAuburn13 on Jul 11, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well as the saying goes.....
it takes on to know one…..and ol’ Paulie has been a card carrying member of the worlds oldest profession for a while now.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
Maybe it's the Bama homer in me...
but I have a hard time believing that we have that much influence on the media. Sure, a lot of Bama fans don’t like Auburn winning (for the record, I actually enjoy AU winning, except against us. Maybe that’s b/c I’m a student here) but outside of possibly influencing Finebaum (who is a total idiot), I don’t think Alabama had much to do with the attacks on Newton.
That said, I could be completely deceived and Alabama could be pulling strings in the national media, but I just can’t see it.
I don't see it as a Bama thing either....
at least not a co-ordinated Bama attack. I think the media just knows their is an appetite for Cam/Auburn hate, and they are dishing it out in big ol bowl fulls. Its one of those perpetual sprirals, since the more hate and slander they can dish out, the more it generates. And there are some Bama/Georgia/LSU sympathizer/supporters that are more than willing to stir the pot.
Unfortunately I think we are the whipping boys until another school grabs the spotlight. I just know that its wrong….whether its done to us or somebody else. I know I’ll never take anything the media says at face value again….even if its against Bama. The competition for eyeballs is so cut throat now that there is absolutely no morals or ethics displayed at all in the mainstream media anymore. I am going to require rock solid proof to believe a thing they report.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
by Col.Angus on Jul 11, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can agree with that...
You have to take everything that’s reported these days with a pound of salt, not just a grain. I also agree that there are fans of other schools that stir the pot. I was just responding to the way I read the article, as a statement that Bama and other schools were behind the media attacks b/c they are jealous of AU’s success.
Its easy to imagine that there are folks out to get us....
But I don’t subscribe to that. The media is bloodthirsty and callous enough on its own…they don’t need an orchestrated cabal to prompt them to do seedy things. I’m sure there are powerful folks at Bama and UGA that are upset about the ascent of Auburn but I’m sure their first call to disrupt it is to Nick Saban….not the NY Times.
But it might be the 3rd call!! ; )
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
The illuminati!!!
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
well, no actually
I’ve been away so long! I haven’t trolled in months it seems. Oh to return to ones roots.
Anyway, the current IT team as you put it is obviously Alabama. This 1981 stat line that you guys are obsessed with ignores this blatantly obvious fact that the other team in the state you claim to be “dominating” is currently on a three year tour of butt kickery that has taken the mantle as Mr. Dominant SEC Team, away from Florida and LSU, in the nations mind.
This years seniors came in as Freshmen in 2008 so we shall stick with these kids to look at Alabama’s current state of being “dominated.”
Record since they stepped on campus: 36-5
Auburns record since they stepped on campus: 27-12
Two of Alabama’s loses came to eventual national champions another to an undefeated team who finished number 2 and, well, then to Jordan Jefferson and Stephen Garcia (okay that’s a tad bit embarrassing but moving on)
so essentially in three years of SEC play we’re 22-4 in a conference that has won the past five national titles and have only lost to anyone in our division 2 times
In all three years we have finished in the top10 of all of college football and poised to start the next season once again inside the top 10
let’s say all these preseason bros are right (insert Phil Steele joke here) and Alabama does end up winning 14 games this year (insert Alabama fan madness joke here) and you have a group of seniors that have won 50 games in their career which would be a record if I’m not mistaken… wait… yes… maybe… screw it you can google the stat if you like
so excuse me if I don’t feel particularly dominated right now.
troll, troll, troll
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
I'll concede that....
for now anyway. Its up to us to hold serve and have another good year to say we are in Bama’s league. They have earned and deserved front runner status….no doubt about IT.
That being said, Bama was being dominated until St. Nick showed up, and we had been the most consistent and successful program among the two.
Also we have taken away Bama’s recruiting edge as well. In recruiting I do think we are the IT team….at least on offense. But we are doing a lot better on defense as well. You know you thought that after the 2009 Championship that you would be head and shoulders over Auburn in recruiting….and to your credit Bama has continued to recruit EXTREMELY well, its just now you have your main rival to keep you company at the top.
Kudos to you and Bama, greatness has returned to Turd Town…..but if you think we’re going to assume whipping boy status, you are sadly mistaken.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
oh yea
I’m just saying that in the here and the now I don’t feel very dominated but that’s not to say Auburn is going to lay down in the division and be Bama’s and LSU’s whipping boy – you’ve proved that you can put together a winning team
Obviously we’re not invincible (GARCIA!!!! NOOOOOO) but it is a trend
and you’re right – Auburn could be the new man on top – if you follow up 14 – 0 with a 9 or 10 win season, then yea okay you’ve proven that you can stay at the top of the polls regardless of the schedule of death (which is what you have btw)
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 11, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Well at least the UGA game got a little easier....
Since they either won’t have a running game or Isaih Crowell will be one beat up freshman by the time we see him.
I like the schedule, we know whats in front of us from the get go. It looks horrid, so our guys should be well prepared for hell and if that doesn’t show up…so much the better. If we can win 9 or 10 I will be a miracle…..a lot will depend on how the defense comes together. I am pretty confident the offense will score enough points to win most games, it the D line and young secondary I’m most concerned about.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
I hear ya...
But it makes you wonder how alabama, In all that incredibleness, could blow a 24 point lead to AUBURN at home in front of almost 100,000 of your fans.
By the way, it was a stat that represented the last 30 years as a whole and not the just the last 3. Much in the same way that bama fans would point out their dominance in the 60’s and 70’s. No doubt bama fans should feel great about where their program is right now. saban is cruiting his balls off for bama, bama is winning alot of games, and the money is pouring into the athletic dept.
Did see a stat today that is very interesting. Apparently, this would be(if it continues for bama) the 1st time that bama has had a dominate team over a 5 year span when there is 1 or more other dominate teams in the conference during the same 5 years. Every other 5 year span that bama has dominated, they did it alone with very lil competition from the other conference schools. Other than 1 or 2 year runs by another school. Whereas in the 2000’s run for Auburn, there was 3 other teams(Ga., Fl., and LSU) that were also having great runs of their own. Competition was high then. of those teams, collectively they went 6 and 6 during games against Auburn of those 5 years. They were 160-27 collectively against everyone else. Thats competition for you.
Guess its easier to dominate when the competition is low…..
"Wishful thinking is not the same thing as objective evidence." - jdhinsc
One thing you have to admit....Tiger or Turd
If you win the SEC West, you have the right to crow that you are SEC BEST!!
To have five bonafide contenders in one conference is amazing….but we have it in the same divisision!!
Must be nice to be in the fluffy east.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
True for now...
…But not always true. There’s no questioning that the west is a ton stronger than the east right now, but an improving UT team and a UGA team at the crossroads could easily bring the balance of power back closer to even.
UGA, in particular, will either get its act together or get a new coach. Florida’s talent will keep it from staying down for long, and Spurrier has the capacity to field some strong teams.
The wildcard in all of this is where Miss St., UT, and USC land over time. (Maybe I’m being delusional in thinking that things will get right in Athens, but our program has too much history to stay 6-7 for long).
by first and thom on Jul 12, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
"Everyone sucked so what you did doesn't count"
I get what you’re saying but it’s not a good argument
you’re basically saying “we were all bad back when you we’re constantly beating us and winning the conference” well yea, because we took all the good recruits (oversigning works y’all) and had the best coach in the history of the conference – there’s a reason our team was so much better than everyone else
The kind of domination during the time period you’re talking about was so absolute it was redonkulus (HAHAHAHA I hate you so much sportscenter) – it will never be seen again. The conference as a whole is better as you say now but you’ll never see a team run of 5 or 6 straight SEC titles like Bama did in the 70s and probably never see the 4 peat that Spurrier pulled off in the 90’s
I can’t even remember the last time someone won it two time in a row
your just stating that we figured out how to be awesome before everyone else did
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 11, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
the 3 year “butt kickery” that culminated in Auburn’s national championship?
Auburn Tigers 2010 National Champions
*That was on of those "5"
But boy-howdy were they kicking everybody elses booty!!
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
and a Bama National Title
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 11, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Jay Coulter = Moron
The media reports news, people may not like the angle or the bias but it’s still had to be newsworthy to begin with. Stop crying for pete’s sake. Do you think the newton pay for play drama was not news worthy? Quit hiding behind that dress and get a life.
"Here's another join today, comment today, drive by troll."
As Xotus has said so often.
At least Jay signs his name. How about you quit trolling and hiding behind anonymous comments.
The PFP drama WAS newsworthy....
but not EVERYDAY for 2 months!!! Everyday it was a new rumor, a new allegation, a new nail in the coffin for Auburn!! Remember Mark Whinnie the WSB reporter in Atlanta who hadn;t repoted a meaninful story since the Reagan administration?? He supposedly had the Deep Throat of the Cam Newton scandal…..a “family member” who was going to talk and tell all the deep secrets of how much and how Cecil got paid!!! OOOOOHHHH CRAAAAP!!.
Nothing.
I don’t have a thing against reporting the news. Reporting BS, not verifying sources, and just relaying rumor and inuendo?? Yeah, I do have something against that because they are lies and people who don’t care to find the truth believe it and belittle Auburn as cheaters becasue of it. If you think thats whining, what does it make you when you stand up for a lie?
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
My ass itches...
Why don’t you kiss it for me butt wipe.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
One disagreement
Despite the public showing of unity after the poisoning at Toomer’s Corner and the horrific tornado in Tuscaloosa, has anything really changed? Despite the relative success of Nick Saban’s tenure, do Tide fans fear Auburn emerging into a perennial national power that will compete for national titles more years than not? What about the rest of the SEC?
I gotta say I think this is the only part in the whole story I dont agree with. I think for the most part alot has changed. A huge chunk of Bama fans have taken a step back from the “Barner Hatred” and have seen what it was becoming… something ugly. Now I will grant that alot of football fans are still just idiots in general. I disagree mainly because I dont think one statement has anything to do with another. The support for Tuscaloosa ( * Sidebar here- My grandfather is an AVID UA fan having lived his entire life in tuscaloosa …. We were talking about everything thats happened since the tornado… and the man actually teared up when we talked about the support from you folks, said it was a fine example of who we REALLY are in this state ) Had NOTHING to do with football and everything to do with humanity and the needs of a city in turmoil. The support for the trees I can see an argument either way.
Anyways I know Im running on and on here and I really have a habit of jumping from one point to another so sorry about that. I will finish up with this.. I GLADLY welcome Auburn back ( if you ever were realllly gone ) to a top tier team, because hell to be the best you have to beat the best.. Bring that shit on !!
RTR friends
by lastmilefire on Jul 11, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
Here, here!
Toomer's for Tuscaloosa
by War Eagle Atlanta on Jul 11, 2011 5:10 PM CDT reply actions
Good article Jay....
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
I'm a moderate kind of guy,
so this might not be a real exciting point of view, but I think there is alot of truth in what’s been said, and I think there is alot of “we really need to get past this stuff” as well.
First, insinuating that our hostesses are prostitutes is way over the line, and we have spent much time debating that Finebaum is an idiot. That hasn’t changed, and probably never will. And I’m with you Col., if it was my daughter, I would want to hurt him.
I think the Col.‘s post was real good last week. I do think it’s a little deeper than football…we have devolved into an entitlistic (spelling?) society. If you own a business and have had a fraudulent workers comp claim you know what I mean. We don’t value success and hardwork like we should; we just want to know what’s in it for us, next. It’s screwed up, and I don’t know how it’s going to get better.
I’m really not jumping on the “world against Auburn” bandwagon. I think the whole Cam deal gave outsiders a little more amunition than usual, but alot of what we are experiencing probably goes with the territory.
I really am questioning my state of mind, however, because I have found myself either agreeing, or at least not strongly disagreeing with Elfcrash for several posts now. The Cam snub is not too bothersome to me. The tennis guy deserves some recognition, and Cam has baggage. I can let it go.
What we really need is football season. We are the defending national champions. Screw ‘em all if they can’t handle it. We’ve got about fifty or so more days to enjoy that, then it’s a new game.
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
I need a cold shower and a copy of the Auburn Creed
"What we really need is football season." ... Amen to that.
AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT
There was just a Cam Newton Question on Jeopardy
At least we have Alex Trebek on board with Auburn.
Auburn Tigers 2010 National Champions
I'll take
All I do is win, win, win for $180,000, Alex.
Toomer's for Tuscaloosa
by War Eagle Atlanta on Jul 12, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the so-called Cam "snub"
Seriously? Like he didn’t already win enough awards. He was great, I agree, but he’s still a one year transfer student who bailed early for the NFL.
We have gotten some bad press, more than our fair share, I believe, but we are at a point as fans where we ought to be able to shrug it off.
by mgizmo2005 on Jul 12, 2011 1:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You Auburn Boys Are Breaking Out the Hubris A Bit Early
“In two short seasons, Chizik and staff have not only surpassed Alabama on the field, but has become the “It” program for high school athletes across the country. From its Under Armour uniforms to its Cam Newton coolness, Auburn is hotter than Destin in July."
There’s some detachment from reality and some chutzpah in that sentence.
Auburn has a chip on the shoulder. Auburn has always had a chip on the shoulder. Auburn always will have a chip on the shoulder.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Jul 12, 2011 7:35 AM CDT reply actions
As if you won't find any hubris on your blog....please.
Is your picture in the dictionary under “hypocrite” or "toolbox?
I don’t know if you just stumbled in here, but you know this is an Auburn blog, right?
I’m not sure if you understand the meaning of hubis, but hubris would be for Jay to post his story on RTR or Team Speed Kills. If you don’t think we are going to be excessively proud on an Auburn blog after we won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, uhhhh, when are we supposed to be proud Mr Hog?
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
Oh Please Angry Man
Don’t go down the hyprocite road. Throwing stones from a glass house & all that.
Hubris is overdone self confidence, like ‘we win just because we’re Auburn and we’re just better because it’s so.’ Hubris may be found in Tuscaloose, Gainesville, and Chapel Hill NC (in basketball season). Going to another blog to post that editorial would be arrogance, or trolling, but not hubris. Neither Auburn, nor South Carolina baseball fans, have earned hubris yet.
You seem like the type of guy who can pour gasoline on an argument then keep it going. Come on over to Get the Picture for some fun.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Jul 12, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Earned hubris?
You really are a simpleton arent you……nobody earns hubris….hubris is assumed once one thinks he is better than he really is. Your opinion is that the statement was one of hubris….however the fact that AU is garnering national attention on the recruiting trail gives some credence to the statement which in that case would not be excessive pride (hubris) but rather an opinion reflecting the national attention. One doesn’t earn hubris…..if one is pompous then one is full of hubris…..which in turn would make your statement that there is plenty of “hubris” in Tuscaloosa factual. Now run along and study some more dipshit.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Isn't It Nice To Be Able to Hide Behind An Anonymous Username
And call people names.
The phrase ‘earned hubris’ was intentional; intended to convey that Auburn and (to a lesser extent) South Carolina are mere arrivistes, lacking the time at the top and (based on people like you) the manners and class to hobnob with the higher ups.
Now, think of some more names to call, while you sit wearing wife beaters, with your three day beard, your 46 inch waist, your 12 year old pickup truck, your George Wallace poster, your Lurleen Wallace poster, your rusty shotgun, your 7-11 generic menthol cigarettes, and your warm quart of Bud Light, inside your double wide.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Jul 12, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I love when This Trolling Happens
Do you fans really assume that we want to be like UA so badly? The fact that you even feel the need to promote some pseudo superiority on a rival fans website shows how insecure you really are. You and this post are a joke. The perception of Alabama nationally is not some bastion of class and tradition, on par with the superpowers of yore. It’s of inbred hicks that manages to recruit lots of other inbred hicks that are good at playing football. While I’ve lived in various places throughout the US and hearing others’ views, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to claiming ‘hubris’ (your misuse of the word has already been pointed out and mocked enough). If we are so insignificant as to not even warrant mention with the elite, then why are we worth a mighty fan such as yourself coming to put us in your place. The fact is, you’re a joke, and your fandom is a joke. We know, and we all know that you know, that Auburn is and has been a very successful football program historically and recently. We have not, as you say, come about recently. Go ahead and give it up, we are literally all laughing at you.
by AUDL on Jul 12, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for accuracy.....
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
LOL.....
you just described most of the Bama fans….I don’t smoke, I’m a business owner, an avid cyclist (which would not be indicative of a 46 inch waist), I don’t hunt so no shot guns, and like a nice crafted beer or import but you won’t find me with a bud light and while I have no particular disdain for people in trailors I also sometimes make fun of the stereo type….oh and no I don’t own a tank top. But you are not one of the higher ups…….then again are you. Mouthbreathing wannabe pompous asshole.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
I do own one dog...
a well behaved Aussie red merle.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Can I play too...
I’ve got a pureblooded chocolate lab, but he has a white patch on his chest which they call an undesirable mark, so he’s not really special. I also enjoy Newcastle Brown Ale, but I’m usually too cheap for it and I just get the case of Keystone.
Please, can’t we all just get along?
I need a cold shower and a copy of the Auburn Creed
GET ALONG. ON A COLLEGE FOOTBALL BLOG. ARE YOU SERIOUS?
by Hogbody Spradlin on Jul 12, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, I'm going through the change of life
I need a cold shower and a copy of the Auburn Creed
No I never supported either....
to be honest I would be considered a “liberal” by most in Alabama….although that is not entirely accurate and I don’t belong to a political party.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
"Mouthbreathing wannabe pompous asshole"?
Auburn Fan. We’re even.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Jul 12, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
While we're still on "hubris"....
which is an excessive amount of arrogance……you would certainly be considered hubristic.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
BWHAHAHAHA....
You are rich.
You come on OUR blog to take a piss and start throwing around Hubris, Anger and Hyposcisy.
Is your own blog/team that boring that you feel that, “those Barners need some cold water thrown on’em!!”??
So anyway…..I’ll bite….when< oh exalted Hogbody, WHEN….OH WHEN!!!….WHEN will we have the right to be excessively proud of ourselves!!!? I mean, when did that magical moment happen for you Hogbody? I assume it was when you were born to HogMother? LET THE HUBRIS BEGIN!!!
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
It's Surprisingly Hard To Keep Being An Asshole
I’m sure as hell not rich. Col. And I’m not a Bama fan. I linked over from Get The Picture this morning. The Senator over there posted a snicker at this post, as one of his items today. I wrote my first comment and watched the fun begin.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Jul 12, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Finebaum is a scumbag, I can't wait untill Karma gives him a good slap to the face.
Haters can hate, but Cam will still parcipate!
by TheAuburnKnight on Jul 12, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions
From its Under Armour uniforms to its Cam Newton coolness, Auburn is hotter than Destin in July."
This is exactly why so many people are curious to know how Auburn is pulling these phenomenal recruiting classes off and how a three year coach came along (with a 5-19 record) and managed to land better recruiting classes than most of the SEC coaching veterans PRIOR to winning an NC. If a coach with a similar record had done this at Alabama, the idiots over at ITAT would be writing letters to the NCAA on a daily basis….
Is it because of Under Armour commercials and Cam Newton? I ask that because (and to be frank), Auburn, AL is one of the most boring college towns in America. I’M NOT SAYING THE TOWN IN GENERAL IS BAD, I’m saying it’s not the ideal town for an 18-22 year old to reside in, especially if he has offers to live in funner cities that are more appealing to young kids ALONG WITH a great football program to play for. And most young kids are eager to escape the small town realm.
Auburn, AL is not exactly a “hot” college town. It’s on park with Troy, Oxford and Starkville, and it falls short of a Baton Rouge, Gainesville, Tuscaloosa, Knoxville, Athens, etc, and for all that is holy, on the weekends, Tuscaloosa is overflowing with Mississippi State students coming from nearby Starkville. What’s that tell you? Many MSU people obviously have more fun in Tuscaloosa than they do Starkville.
Ummm....
Maybe because what Chizik has established is special and maybe, just maybe, Auburn people are right when they say it’s the most friendly of the bunch and it’s so special. There is something about Auburn that is special. If you’re not an Auburn person, you’ll never get it. If you only knew what’s going on at UA right now. Don’t be surprised if you see another dog fighting scandal come out with UA.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
Welcome to TET!!!
Ok I’m going to disregard a lot of the obvious flaws in your argument and get right to the point. Chizik works his ass off AND he had the smarts to put together one of the best coaching staffs in the country with some of the best recruiters in the country. Auburn athletics is one of the most profitable in the country (top 10) and we pay our coaches very well….which is how we were able to lure some of the best to campus. Chizik had a plan. His, players, coaches, Jacobs and Gouge bought in and he executed. Its not that hard to fathom….but go ahead and keep on assuming the worst.
As far as Auburn is concerned, did you happen to think that, not all athletes want to come to a campus where the emphasis is on drinking and getting into trouble? Trust me, you can get into plenty of trouble at Auburn but its not like Athens or Gainesville where its a lot easier. If you think Auburn is a boring podunk town, so be it, its not everybody’s cup of tea but it doesn’t take a whole lot to see what makes it special either. If you don’t get it…..hope you like it where you live.
Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!
While I can agree on Athens and Gainsville
Tuscaloosa is not a ‘fun’ city. It is much more fun than Starkville, but that’s really not saying much. The environment and attitude at Auburn is just different. It does have a small town feel, but it’s not hickish or podunk as described. Almost all of the out of state students I know picked Auburn because of the atmosphere. This is all very subjective, though, so no one can paint a broad brush on any particular city. I’ve been to Tuscaloosa several times, and it was not the same as an Athens or Gainsville.
Haha. You put Tuscaloosa on par with Gainesville and Baton Rouge?
More like Detroit, but smaller.
War Eagle
again...
if success automatically equals cheating in your eyes, then what do you think of bama? Were you not asking these same questions when Bama went from 7-5 to 12-0 and number one recruiting classes?
Auburn Tigers 2010 National Champions
I hope I am missing the point here...
Just because Tuscaloosa has 17 stripper joints does not put it on par with Gainesville, Knoxville, Athens, or most especially Baton Rouge. I actually have enjoyed my visits to Baton Rouge. Probably more to do with not going there during football season.
I have been to Tuscaloosa, and lived very close by (Brent) for several years, and would never want to spend more than the daylight of one day there. Never!
Come and join me at http://trackemtigers.com
Tuscaloosa.....
old indian word for “shithole”.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Auburn...
Portugese for “lame”
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 13, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL...
you mean Lame like your response?
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
actually my response would probably be categorized as sarcastic
as the word is actually an english word that doesn’t actually meet any definition of the word lame
lame is a slang term that means boring or dull
or to use another slang term not “cool”
cool is a slang term for approval often applied to relaxed situations as opposed to more formal forms of approval
so in this case, given the context, it could stand to reason that referring to Auburn as lame is to infer that it is the speakers intention to refer to Auburn as a school in which there is no fun
this response to your response could also be seen as sarcastic
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 13, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
No my reply to KB would be categorized as sarcastic...
your response would be considered “lame”. My response to your first response would also be considered sarcastic. The above response of yours would be categorized as extremely lame.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
hahaha
no your reply to KB would be categorized as “lame” my response to your response would be categorized as “awesome” your response to my response would be categorized as "OHHHHH GOAL! USA!!! TAKE TAHT FRANCE!
2-1!! OUR WOMENS ARE BETTER THAN YOUR WOMENS
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 13, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Football can't get here fast enough....
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
haha
I’m actually a huge US soccer fan but I don’t follow any of the foreign leagues (or any domestic leagues for that matter)
after the off season from hell for the entire state of Alabama, Bammer or Barner alike, I just need to see my team on the field before any more disasters, arrests, or deaths
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 13, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Never! or NEVER!1!1!1!
hey I can go from the houndstooth or Gillette’s or (papa’s favorite) Egans throw away my empty or finish of my BBQ nachos and be at the stadium in under ten minutes
which is all I need
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 13, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
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