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Officially at War? Auburn and Alabama Inch Closer

Allegations of wrongdoing have now shifted from Auburn to Alabama running back Trent Richardson.

It's finally happened. So much for Toomer's for Tuscaloosa and Alabama fans lining up to donate money to help the Auburn trees. Who were we kidding? The actions of the past seven days have destroyed any good will from those gestures. The day that many sane Auburn and Alabama fans feared has arrived.

The two largest universities in Alabama are at war. They've been battling each other for more than 100 years, but now things have changed. These are no longer skirmishes; we've crossed the threshold to near full-on combat. Radicals from both sides are no longer interested in dominating the other; they want each other wiped from the map.

The latest salvo came on Wednesday when noted oddsmaker and Alabama graduate Danny Sheridan blew into Birmingham for SEC Media Days and shouted from Red Mountain that his "sources at the NCAA" told him they have identified the "bag man" in the Cam Newton case; and if so, Auburn would likely have its national championship vacated and Newton would lose his Heisman Trophy.

As one writer here said, the bigger story is that an oddsmaker has a relationship with an NCAA investigator. But low and behold, 24 hours later, Sheridan's story unraveled faster than the Alabama defense in the second half of the Iron Bowl.

To borrow a term from Roger Clemmons, Sheridan misspoke. On second thought he didn't have a source at the NCAA, but rather had a friend who had a source. At least that was his story a day after he dropped this bomb at the opening of the conference's biggest annual event.

Are you kidding me?

Sheridan told a local radio show that he'd come to town to say hello to some of his friends. Yeah, pull my right leg and it plays jingle bells. Since when did the SEC begin issuing press credentials to oddsmakers?

Unfortunately, despite the questionable motives of the newsmaker, the damage to Auburn was done. It became the story of Media Days and shows just how far some in the Tuscaloosa circle will go to bring down Auburn.

Writer and radio host, Clay Travis wrote last week that Alabama fans are contributing to the lengthy NCAA investigation into Newton...

"The NCAA's ten-month investigation is further complicated by the continuing fount of allegations, many untrue, levied by Alabama fans in the state. These allegations have thrust ordinary citizens into the forefront of the rumor machine. One such individual, Thomas Buckelew, a tailor at Buckelew's Clothing for Men in Montgomery, Alabama, finds himself buffeted by allegations that he provided high-priced suits to Cam Newton at reduced costs. The very suits, you guessed it, that Newton wore at the Heisman ceremony.

According to sources, Newton's suits, ties included, cost in excess of $4,000 each. NCAA investigator Jackie Thurnes was informed of this allegation, and the NCAA has spent time investigating its validity...

In a state as football crazed as Alabama, with fans as passionate as Alabama and Auburn, how in the world do you determine what allegations have any merit and which do not? Particularly since we're talking about a state where, in the wake of the poisioning of the Toomer's Trees, truth is often stranger than any fiction."

 

How Did Things Go So Bad So Fast?

State writers and historians have warned for years that the Auburn-Alabama rivalry could reach apocalyptic levels if left unchecked. The success of both programs in recent years has raised the stakes. Simply put, Alabama people never believed Auburn could win another national title. Last year's title knocked the breath out a still recovering Alabama program.

In the span of two years, the state has witnessed Alabama claim a national title; win its first Heisman Trophy; begin the following season as consensus preseason number one and then watch Auburn steal its thunder with yet another Heisman winner and a national championship at year's end.

Star-divide

 

Game on!

Despite being one of the great traditions in all of college football, Alabama people never dreamed it would be playing second fiddle to Auburn a little more than 25 years following the death of Paul Bryant. For Alabama extremists, it’s something that simply can’t be tolerated.

Since Bryant’s final season in 1982, Auburn is 17-12 against Alabama, including a six game winning streak from 2002-07. In that span, Auburn has claimed six SEC titles to Alabama’s four. Probation cost Auburn another title in 1993 when Terry Bowden’s first team went 11-0. Since 1982, Auburn has gone undefeated three times, more than any other school in the SEC.

The arrival of Nick Saban and his $4 million salary was supposed to change things and it did – for a while. Then came the unlikely duo of Gene Chizik and Jay Jacobs. Together, they have turned the state on its head and again put the Auburn program back on top in Alabama.

Is Alabama Big Enough For Two Successful Programs?

For years, Auburn’s M.O. has been to take its three-star athletes and beat your five-star players. Chizik disregarded that philosophy from Day One. He and Saban are now widely considered the two best college recruiters in the game. They not only battle in-state, but now take their recruiting war nationally.

With millions of dollars in revenue hinging on the whims of 18 year-old kids, this rivalry is no longer about orange and blue or crimson and white; it’s about green – and lots of it. While both coaches preach calm and restraint, below the surface, the fighting has never been worse.

Noted Auburn writer and senior editor of Auburn Undercover, Phillip Marshall has also taken note in recent days of the change in the rivalry.

In a weekend blog entry, Marshall wrote...

"It is my heart-felt opinion that we have come to a college football crisis in the state of Alabama. If it’s not someway, somehow brought under control, this might be remembered as the last great era of college football in a state where it means so much.

I’m not talking about using words like Barners and Bammers. I don’t have any problem with a fan wearing a "I hate Auburn (or Alabama)" t-shirt. Those kinds of things are harmless and have always been part of the rivalry. This crisis isn’t about any of those things. It’s about very real efforts to destroy the other side.

For months, there has been a widespread message board campaign to convince the world that Auburn’s national championship is tainted at best, temporary at worst. It certainly has been successful in convincing a lot of people who don’t know better. Now we are starting to see signs of retaliation from the Auburn side. No one cares who gets hurt, as long as he wears the colors of the other team.

Word is that the NCAA has received an unprecedented number of emails, faxes, etc., from Alabama fans claiming Auburn is dirty. Like-minded Auburn fans aren’t going to take it lying down, so now they’re doing all they can to fight back."

 

Auburn Fans Forced To Fight Back

Marshall’s points are well taken. Auburn’s elevated standing in the college football world is at the center of this ground war. From the poisoning of Toomer’s Corner to the almost daily accusations of wrong doing on Auburn’s part, there’s no doubting the origins of this orchestrated attack on the Tiger football program.

At the same time, Auburn fans have not been sitting idly by – and they shouldn’t in these troubled times. Over the weekend, photos of Alabama running back Trent Richardson signing jerseys with tags still on them at a local store have quickly found their way into the hands of NCAA officials. Was the store selling those autographed jerseys? It certainly appears that way.

In an era of message boards, cell phone cameras, Twitter and Facebook; both sides are working day and night to keep the other in check.

How Does This All End?

Despite the tornado relief help, money donated for new trees and alumni flag football games between the schools, this rivalry is in serious trouble. There is strong distrust among alumni from both sides. Both have tasted success recently and want more of it.

Auburn people feel a need to respond to the allegations leveled against them by Alabama fans. And while it would be politically correct for me to sit here and say Auburn should exercise restraint in dealing with Alabama, the truth is, it simply can’t in this environment.

Auburn must protect itself and that means keeping Alabama in check. It’s hard to imagine this having a happy ending. The events of last week means things are likely to get much worse before they get better.

It’s hard to envision a winner on either side.

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I don't feel bad for anyone caught cheating. AU or UA

All of this “peace treaty” talk didn’t start until something came up that Alabama could face trouble over. I don’t get into all of that sending info to people and making “packets” to send here and there. I think Alabama is getting a taste of its own medicine right now, and I think they have far more to hide than Auburn.

I mean obviously. We’ve been getting “investigated” for a year now, and not one thing has bit us. Yet schools like OSU and Oregon have passed us by on that front. Tressel is gone and many don’t think Chip Kelly will make it through the offseason with his job intact.

This whole situation is Finebum wouldn’t be allowed to spew his garbage day in and day out. He has waaaay more influence than people out of state realize. I didn’t even completely understand it until this year. He needs to go. He does a show about the “SEC” but all I ever hear on their is good stuff about Alabama and bad stuff about Auburn. Say huh?

War Eagle

by WarEagle86 on Jul 25, 2011 5:41 AM CDT reply actions  

If A&M joins the SEC

They should think about moving Auburn to the East. Auburn and Alabama could be each other’s permanent rival keeping the Iron Bowl intact but being in opposite divisions may bring it down a notch.

"I know the quarterback has a strong arm, but...I mean the ball's not gonna outrun ME" --PP7

by LSU Jonno on Jul 25, 2011 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

A good idea.

It would keep the balance in both East and West and the Tenn/Bama rivalry would probably intensify helping lower instate tensions especially since Tenn is an out of state school.

by GreenvilleAUfan on Jul 25, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awww cmon.....

nobody felt this way prior to the 10 part Cam Newton saga. We just happened to bring in the best player in the country the same year we go on a National Championship run…..to a degree it was bound to happen. Not because of our rivals, but because of the media coverage.

As long as nothing comes of all this crap….and every day that goes by makes it more and more likely…..learn to embrace it!! Every month I plan letting our detractors know via Team Speed Kills, that another month has gone with Auburn as your Untarnished and Defending 2010 BCS NATIONAL BY-GOD CHAMPIONS!!!"

Let’em suck on that.

Oh, and rivalries kick-ass, don’t mess with’em

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’s all around. Other than the idiot with the herbicide, I think this is all great entertainment. Rivalries do kick ass.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I mean.....

if people can get killed over soccer games, I think all the Alabama vs. Auburn huff and puff is pretty tame.

Its funny how people (myself included) get wound up over perception rather than reality.

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what soccer blog fights are like in Columbia?

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 25, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brilliant

You made my morning with that.

To respond, I think the hatred is actually strong enough to manifest itself, by way of rifts in the time-space dimension — thereby allowing people to actually reach through their monitors to punch someone over the internet.

Either that, or they track down personal information and go light one another’s shit on fire.

by AU Tiger on Jul 26, 2011 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well whether it would help or not ,,,

The rest of the SEC would probably not stand for the switch. The prospect of two teams from Alabama playing in Atlanta for the SEC championship would not go over well with the rest of the members.

AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Jul 25, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the only way we change divisions is...

if they swap us for Vandy. There is no way they swap Tenn for us.

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very well put Jay

This is something I’ve been concerned about for some time. Both sides have a lot more to lose than gain if something isn’t done to lower the emotions.

I lost a little hope of that though when the UAT officials blast the disparaging anti Cam music at last year’s Iron Bowl. That was not just the actions of some part time employee. It was done with the blessing of the top administration, or else they would not have been allowed to play the second song. It’s one thing for a finescum to stir the pot and quite another for university officials to be doing that.

This should be thought of as the greatest rivalry in college football not a real life Hatfield and McCoy war of epic proportions; were salvo’s are fired back and forth with the intent of humiliating and destroying you opponent.

AubTigerman
"The reason you come to Auburn is because of Auburn people.This is a special place, from the coaches all the way to the fans" - Andrew McCain OT

by aubtigerman on Jul 25, 2011 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm afraid it has gone too far now.

I think one (if not both) of the programs will face some consequences from all of this. Obviously, I think Alabama should be the one under the gun, but I’m looking through orange and blue glasses I suppose.

War Eagle

by WarEagle86 on Jul 25, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

second fiddle?

Alabama is a pre season top 2 team, again, have the most players on the All-SEC team, again, the highest rated running back in the country, again, and have the best record over the last three years in the entire conference – we’re a perennial top ten team and until Auburn can prove they can sustain success I’ll hold off on committing hara kiri

as for all this accusing each other of violations crap? we’re both just giving each others compliance a series of headaches and interviews to deal with – in a little under 40 days football will have started and nothing on Cam or some dude advertising his jerseys will have come out because the internet is worthless when it comes to “investigating”

see Gadsden car rumors
see Cam Newton saga on Tiger Droppings
see Jeffrey Lee Brent Calloway accusations
see HBO Auburn documentary

all much ado about nothing, what makes this any different?

it’s less the universities and more the fringe nut jobs who managed to get an internet connection and douche bag alumni who want to feel important on a radio station or a tv show

People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.

by Wallacewade04 on Jul 25, 2011 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm sorry but all of the pre-season hype for 'Bama this year seems inflated.

I mean, you guys had all of that last year, and look what happened. You’ve got even more questions going into the season. I’m not saying that Alabama will stink, but it’s a little premature to go trumpeting up and down the avenue that ‘Bama is going to win it all in ’11. Just because the media hypes you up, doesn’t mean you can’t take an honest look at your team.

And as much as it might hurt to admit, a lot of this has perpetuated from ’Bama’s side. I mean the pre-game music at the IB this past year was just a disgrace. It was a reflection of the entire administration at Alabama, not just some part timer as Aubtigerman said.

I’m not saying this hasn’t had some to do with Auburn too, but an Alabama fan doesn’t need to come in and act like they’ve taken the high road and everyone should follow suit.

War Eagle

by WarEagle86 on Jul 25, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

"it's all your fan base"

“your university is evil and we’re the good guys”

uh-huh. I’m just going to let that speak for itself.

My point isn’t about high raod. It’s meaningless bull that’s not going to amount to anything so why worry about it? Has anything released over this off season amounted to anything? And I’m sorry some music at a game hurt your feelings. The guy got fired so you can sleep easy at night knowing you won’t have to hear any more music the causes icky emotions.

pre-season hype is one of those “good problems to have” so you may scoff but we still have the best ternd of success coming into the season

People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.

by Wallacewade04 on Jul 25, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

'Take the Money and Run' is a song I'd expect to hear

at a drunken tailgate pary. Not a school sanctioned event, held and ran by school officials.

I also never stated this was only an Alabama thing. This street goes both ways.

I just think it is awfully conveniant that since the message board rumors have begun targeting the Alabama side of this that they no carry absolutely no weight when in the past 10 months any guy with a computer could write a “column” on something he read on tigerdroppings or astheplainsburn and Alabama fans were jumping all over it and saying Auburn was going down for good.

War Eagle

by WarEagle86 on Jul 25, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

sure, a lot of fans have been getting excited

over the supposed “hammer” dropping and they were completely wrong and unfounded but let me once again point out the Gadsden Super Secret REC Info Packet Carpocalypse 3000 episode in which the exact same thing was happening

and every time a bama fan touted a sportsbybrooks article an Auburn fan would say “this is nothing” so my response to this current case should rightly be “this is nothing”

People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.

by Wallacewade04 on Jul 25, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Touche to your first point.

On the second, it is easy to come over and say all of this is nothing when it hasn’t been your school getting waxed by the media over EVERYTHING for the past year. I mean Finebaum was basically letting it get out that our Tigerettes were prostitutes. Women and Men’s daughters who they sent to school at Auburn were getting called whores on national radio with no one to defend them. It’s gotten bad.

I don’t think your personally a crazy ass bammer redneck fool. You make good points. It’s just not that easy to rationalize from POV right now. Fair enough?

War Eagle

by WarEagle86 on Jul 25, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

completely

it’s impossible to say Auburn hasn’t received unfair treatment from the media and especially with each new “groundbreaking assault of epic proportions on the Cam Newton case” that results in three days of internet fury then, you know, nothing

Auburn has every right to be pissed at a situation that seems to repeat itself every three weeks with nothing ever coming out but in under 40 days none of this will matter

People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.

by Wallacewade04 on Jul 25, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Until its SOMETHING.....

I agree…..its nothing.

“Son of a Preacher Man” and “Take the Money and Run”?? Funny…..not what the University should be doing, hence the guy getting fired….but funny. I can’t wait to hear all the crap in Athens this year. Those “victims” are still flaming over Fairley, its the #1 game on their home schedule.

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Based on the result of 4 out of the last five matchups

I’d say the music played pregame will be the least of your concerns

Dawg fan by birth,
no longer in Beaumont by the grace of God.

by Dawg in Beaumont on Jul 25, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you're right....

have you found a running back yet?

We’ll see how confident you are when you’re 0-2 and Murray is running for his life.

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’m actually not ultra confident about our team this season. I predict an 8-4 type year.

I’m just tired of the butthurt (from Auburn) in response to the butthurt from Georgia. You’re national champs, why does every thing an Auburn person writes have to come across as so overly sensitive and seeking out all the wrong accusations, etc.

Enjoy it, but I stand by my statement that we go back to the 2006-2010 scenario in the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry this year.

Dawg fan by birth,
no longer in Beaumont by the grace of God.

by Dawg in Beaumont on Jul 25, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we please refrain from the usage of the term "butthurt"

Call me crazy bu that just conjurs up too much hillbilly homo-erotica.
I’ll call a truce on the UGA victimization routine as well.

Um, I may be wrong but the only place UGA holds a clear advantage over Auburn is at QB and that is nullified by the fact you don’t have a running game outside of a converted LB and an unknown freshman. Early on its going to be pretty easy to tell what you are going to do by who you have in the backfiled. Crowell, run. Samuels, pass. Murray is going to get Blitzed like a Polish Deli every time Crowell lines up in the backfield. God help him….I actually like the kid. I never heard him complain about a thing. Mans man, that Murray.

Without a consistent running attack and no go-to receiver outside of Orson Charles…..well lets say the Dawgs aren’t looking like the second coming of Stafford/ Moreno. Richt has a bad case of the Tubervilles. He a good coach, but I don’t see him winning the SEC again. He’s more ACC caliber now.

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only at QB?

Hardly. We’re freaking out about how bad our o-line is going to be with two 3+ year veterans, and you guys are starting an o-line with a combined 13 starts. So you may have the edge at running back, but it’s not going to do you much good with an offense line that looks like swiss cheese.

by elfcrash on Jul 25, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I am doing this but.....I agree with WW.

Bama deserves all the accolades they get. We can belly-ache and moan and groan about the perception of Auburn in the media but like WW says, the media coverage is all a stinking pile of dung. It doesn’t matter what they say about us….what counts is what happens on the field. Sooner or later people will tire of the mud slingers when the mud doesn’t stick. The more they come up with unwarranted attacks, the more sympathetic of a figure we become. The “whistle blowers” will just be viewed as “a-holes”. Finebaum is a great example, everybody knows now that he hasn’t produced anything and is just a ratings grabbing whore.

We both can go on and on about who’s better, but both sides know that the other is a force to be reckoned with. I certainly do not take the Tide lightly and I am certain that our Tigers don’t either. Its our job to keep the pressure on them by winning. Saban and Bama have their own cross to bear with heightened expectations…..and as long as they keep pulling in top recruiting classes, they will be picked to win. AND THEY SHOULD!!. They have the talent to win and pay a ton of money to Saban to do just that. BTW….even though I enjoy every Bama loss, I certainly enjoy playing a top 10 Bama team a lot more than the irrelevant Bama prior to ’08.

Personally, I like the “WAR”, because it tells me they know we are a threat and that “Little Brother is all groweds up!” . We aren’t the “Underdog” anymore. We have worked 30 hard years to get to this point and RIGHT NOW we are at worst equals.

Let the jack-legs who want to stir up hate and discontent do what they want. Anybody that is sane knows better. If we keep our nose clean and compete with fire and determination, WE WILL pull top recruits and WE WILL WIN!!

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really...

You’re anger and frustration are totally justified. I just think that whats going on right now is more due to what the media has done. The more “base” members of our rivals constituency are the ones who tend to revel in this. They will eventually lead to their own downfall.

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. And I was trying to be an a** when I said, "that's that".

I was simply conceding that maybe I mis-spoke to WW too quickly. I could have used better words for sure.

It’s just so aggrivating that this past year has been more about drama than football.

War Eagle

by WarEagle86 on Jul 25, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well eventually....

People are going to realize that trying to drag down a member school is not good for the other members of the SEC. Because whether it us, Bama, LSU, UGA or whomever, they won’t go down without causing a hell of a mess….thats a gaurantee.

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on the wanting to play a top team..

The strength of the SEC is the strength of the teams. You know, had Bama beat us this past year, they would still be crowing about knocking us out of the BCSNCG.

Come and join me at http://trackemtigers.com

by KoolBell777 on Jul 25, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why everybody hates us...

I mean, we saved the world from an Oregon vs. TCU game.

ooohhhh, scaaaarrrrryy!

Col.Angus may be rough, Col.Angus may not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Col.Angus is very sweet. If I overstay my welcome, just tap me on the head!!

by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

On Finebaum...

Let us all remember – that clown is a UT grad.

Why any self-respecting Alabama fan would listen to that dribble, much less call in to the show is beyond me.

"Never start a fight with an old man...if he's too old to fight, he'll probably just kill you."

by figtide on Jul 26, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

who ranks trent richardson as top in the nation?

most people don’t have him as top in the SEC. Most have lattimore or Knile Davis. You’re a perrenial top ten team for the past 3 years. I’m sick of hearing about your sustained success because you had a pretty crappy run from 1993 to 2007. 3 years doesn’t mean you’re a consistent national powerhouse again.

Auburn Tigers 2010 National Champions

by FlyAuburn13 on Jul 25, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

should have specified

Man you head to mobile for work, lose your phone for a night, and look at all the internet fun you miss out

Trent is considered one of the best in the nation on the field but not number one HOWEVER in NFL mock drafts he is the highest rated runningback due in no small part to his freakish size and the system he runs in

And if claiming a three year run is so bizarre how starnge is it to claim a 30 year run? Also my logic in the 3 year span is that it shows the success of the seniors entering this year – all the stats within a 3 year span were earned by current players

People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.

by Wallacewade04 on Jul 26, 2011 10:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Have to agree with...

…..Wallacewade04, on this one. There are a lot of nutjobs out there who take the rivalry FAR too seriously.

......Drowning in cool elixir.

by Acid Reign on Jul 25, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously? Wallace, you need to go visit the Bear's grave and pay your respects....

He has been dead for quite some time now. Quit sucking on the Crimson cotton candy that is spewed by every major media outlet that continually promotes the continuation of football’s past members of ‘great tradition’ in any way possible.

I’m not saying that Bama plays second fiddle to anyone, but ‘on the field’ Auburn has been first chair for the past 30 years……

by dzer13 on Jul 25, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually never been to the grave

Always seemed a bit morbid to me

And on the field Alabama is first chair in the conference right now – also not a fan of cotton candy

People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.

by Wallacewade04 on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If one were to judge the rivalry by reading internet forums or listening to Finebaum, then

yeah, it seems to have gotten out of hand. But not so much when you actually talk to the people on the ground. Most of us are from AL. We know what it’s really like. When I go back to AL, I wear my AU gear proudly, and not once have I ever been accosted by a Bama fan. Heck, most of my family are Bama fans!

by TexasAUtiger on Jul 25, 2011 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Correct people are civil to each other, but

 it’s not a case of being accosted by rival fans. It’s about an obsession to destroy the other side. If you lived in state, you might have a different perception. it’s different when you have to live it day in and day out. Most of my family is Bama fans too and they are good people. However we try to stay away from any serious discussion about Auburn – Alabama. I try not to listen to Finebaum, he really does make a living by trying to incite the crazies. But this thing is more about the behind the scenes power brokers than it is the guy on the street.

by PineMtTiger on Jul 25, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well Well Well...It's time for Sparkey...

I hate the University of Alabama. I hope their school falls apart. No, I don’t want anybody hurt physically, I simply want their institution in the realm of football to fall apart. I am about as radical as you get. I don’t desire for UA to disappear. Oh no, I want them every year and I want to crush them. I want to beat them badly or rip their heart out in their own building like we did last Iron Bowl. I want Auburn to crush Alabama in everything. By the way, I have often been accosted by Alabama fans wearing my Auburn gear. Consequently, it’s made me that much more obnoxious as an Auburn fan. I make absolutely no apologies for that either.

LSU is worse than UA, I’ll always believe that. However, Alabama isn’t far off in its classless fans. Say what you want about Auburn, but the worst fans I’ve ever dealt with were 1. LSU, 2. UA, and 3. UGA. Florida fans were pretty close to UGA fans, though. I even like the Gators. Those guys are going to be really good really soon just wait.

I hated that UA got hit with a tornado. I don’t wish that sort of thing on anybody. I also don’t want Georgia or any other school to go through tragedies, I am bigger than that. I guess I’m not even as radical as I think. With that said, I would love to see UA get on probation again. I would love for them to lose every game except against LSU. Hell, I’d love UGA to go on probation too, and LSU…well I just wish they didn’t have a football program at all. Of course Saban left those Coons high and dry, wouldn’t you?

Anyway, I think the rivalry might could use Auburn switching divisions. I wouldn’t mind that anyway, the east is so much easier than the west year in and year out. Of course, we would still play that dastardly bunch out in Tuscaloosa. I hate those guys and I want them to lose every game. I don’t want anybody hurt though. That’s too crazy even for me. When it goes beyond that, those are the wackos that don’t need to be a part of society. That has nothing to do with us. It’s not just this game where it’s happening. Look at the Giants fan that got put in the hospital by Dodgers fans. Should they stop playing each other because of that? You don’t think that bunch with the Dodgers would’ve kicked somebody’s ass anyway? Ironically enough, the most violence I’ve seen is from like fan on like fan. They don’t have to have the rival there and somebody like Updyke would’ve done something crazy anyway it just so happened he was a fan of UA trying to get at AU.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 25, 2011 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You go Sparkey.....go to the Dark Side!!

RELEASE YOUR ANNNNGGGGERRRR!!!

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I got to see my folks this weekend for my birthday!!!

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by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

uh.....

Happy Birthday Col.Angus, and War Eagle!

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by KoolBell777 on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks KB!!

WAR EAGLE!!

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by Col.Angus on Jul 25, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Many Happy Returns Colonel!

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by aubtigerman on Jul 25, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you lost the essence of what I meant.

I was meaning that this isn’t really necessary for people who aren’t total wackos. Not sure where you got your interpretation from really.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 25, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Happy birthday too

My birthday was last week and on of the best I ever had. I hope you get to say the same.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh come on..

Sorry to burst your bubble. WHile you’re right about lots of alabama fans not being able to handle auburn’s success, most of them just feel cheated because they feel you won an illegitimate championship with Cam Newton. That is a NATIONAL perception, right or wrong. the notion that ’it’s just Bama fans/media attacking Auburn" is a classic ad hominem attack and a severse case of deflection. Of course there are some garbage reporters and you’ve done a good job routing them out. But you’re being disingenous if you’re saying that it’s ALL coming from some Alabama orchestrated attack. Do Auburn fans REALLY believe that it’s ALL a conspiracy controlled by the all powerful Bama PR machine??? Then ya’ll are as crazy as Blue Tuna’s bunch!

Whether Cam and/or his daddie solicitd or received money from an auburn booster is a LEGITIMATE question. Whether your national title is clean is a LEGITIMATE question. Reasonable people can disagree on whether they think somebody cheated. Shit, you’re still under NCAA investigation. Quit acting like it’s everyone out to get you. It makes you sound like bama fans during Albert Means and USC fans under Carrol. It’s simple; if ya’ll are clean then you have nothing to worry about and your program will survive all this scrutiny and you get the last laugh!!! If not, then you go down and you’ll deserve to.

by TheYellowHammer on Jul 25, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Yes, his name is Joe Schad....jk

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by KoolBell777 on Jul 25, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not joking

Joe Schad… :-D get going you yellow hammer jackass.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 25, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

LEGITIMATE Questions...

“Sorry to burst your bubble. WHile you’re right about lots of alabama fans not being able to handle auburn’s success, most of them just feel cheated because they feel you won an illegitimate championship with Cam Newton. That is a NATIONAL perception, right or wrong. the notion that ’it’s just Bama fans/media attacking Auburn” is a classic ad hominem attack and a severse case of deflection."
-I don’t see many Texas or Florida or UGA or TENN or NEB or OU or OSU or GT or UNC or FSU fans telling us about their feelings regarding our national title, especially not on our websites and blogs. So you’ll have to excuse our misguided perception of uat as the band leader regarding this chatter. Add that with what the NCAA said about the difficulties of investigating Auburn because of the number of false leads and white noise they get from the uat rabble.

And I can agree that there were legitimate questions regarding cam and his eligibility, a blind man could see that. However; most of the time when the NCAA straight up reinstates an athlete and holds the hand of the institution in question while they submit the reinstatement paperwork, that constitutes the end of at least most of the controversy.

In this case, it didn’t. Instead we beat uat and the media hype 4 letter network insanity machine starting spinning in overdrive. THAT is when this case went national in a major way. Then came the guy who claimed having the tape, then the hbo4, then danny sharidian(sp) comes out and piles on again.

If you are not aware of the connections between uat and the evil 4 letters as well as several other major sports media sources you should check in to them. They are extensive and powerful. Combine that with the apparently huge appetite America has for NCAA drama right now and you have a story that wont quit.

I mean uat didn’t fabricate this entirely, if they had it wouldn’t have worked out for Auburn at all. However I don’t know if there can be much doubt that they have tried to keep it rolling for as long as possible.

I don’t care what you do, bammer, but I won’t be reacting very kindly to the kind of yellowhammer journalism that we’ve been putting up with for much longer.
Moreover, I will not stand by and allow my alma mater’s honor and dignity to be trounced upon by anyone without substantiation. And no, Joe Schad isn’t substantiation. Call me a whiner or butthurt or whatever you want but this is how any normal person should/would react when their family/group is threatened.
 
So then, lets make sure we are asking LEGITIMATE questions, and not ignorant ones. because LEGITIMATE questions deserve answering unlike the swill the media asks. and yellowhammer’s version of legitimate questions were legitimate at one time; in October. But now they are simply jabs and twists of the knife in an already closing wound.

by WarLegal on Jul 25, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait wait wait

You actually think that Bama holds some sway over ESPN? How? Have you read any of their stuff about how evil Bama is for oversigning?

by elfcrash on Jul 26, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

I give you props for your post. Other than clarifying that the open investigation is of the ‘back-burner’ variety, awaiting new evidence that may never come, I think your sentiments are well put.

I can neither confirm nor deny that I am Cecil Newton's 'Bag Man'.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Jul 25, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh how much you guys have going on in your backyard

You seem to either be oblivious of it or you don’t care.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 25, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and we're on top of the autograph thing

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/07/alabama_releases_cease-and-des.htm

This is the sec. I thing for this stuff it’s all glass houses and stones. But thanks for checking up on our compliance department!

by TheYellowHammer on Jul 25, 2011 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow.

That’s a nice xeroxed copy of a template letter addressed to nobody in particular. with a . I wonder what genius in UA’s compliance department decided it would be a good idea to add a handwritten statement that overlaps the edge of the paper on the original copy.

by Joe_Blow on Jul 25, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you read the damn letter?

It plainly states that the store is going to cause irreperable harm to UA’s student athletes if they d not stop selling..
“autographed portraits, and memorabilia”
I don’t want UA hurt over this, but they should have at least informed the SEC offices about this.

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by KoolBell777 on Jul 25, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was handled properly

They sent a decease and desist letter to the store and told them to stop. That is all they had to do. They investigated it and found no evidence that anyone received impermissable benefits. If the NCAA wants to have a look, I am sure they will.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Jul 25, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I almost agree...

I would think that considering the state of affairs at the NCAA, and how they are dealing with institutions that hide potential/actual violations, ie Ohio State, Ga. Tech, that they would cover their collective asses and let, at least the SEC offices, know what has happened.
I realize that I have the advantage of today’s knowledge vs. December when the letter was sent, and maybe that’s clouding my judgment somewhat too. I feel it would be in UA’s best interest to allow the offices of the SEC, inside information on all such matters. CYA as it were…

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by KoolBell777 on Jul 25, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The store put the memorbelia up

and when the university found out they acted. There was no evidence that any of the kids were compensated in any way. I have never been to Auburn but I am sure that signed articles are floating around all over the place and for sale. Signing is not the problem…getting paid for them is. I think that is pretty clear at this point.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Jul 25, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

True,

but using those items to promote/advertise is against the rules whether they received any money or not.

by Joe_Blow on Jul 25, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

What rule is that?

I’ve never heard of that one before.

by elfcrash on Jul 25, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trust us it is a rule...

That was something brought up on Auburn before, that’s why we know so well about that particular rule.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha ha ha...

Thats freakin laughable. I posted the same argument on Kool’s original thread about the men’s wear situation. You guys just don’t listen very well do you? Let me put it in caps for you. IT IS NOT AN NCAA VIOLATION FOR A STORE TO SHOW AUTOGRAPHED MERCHANDISE SIGNED BY CURRENT OF FORMER PLAYERS AS LONG AS THE PLAYER DOES NOT RECEIVE IMPERMISSABLE BENEFITS.
If your so sure about it, post the rule. But you won’t, because it does not exist.

by burmbuster on Jul 27, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a rule.

It’s the same one that got Steve Alford suspended at Indiana in the 80s for letting a sorority use his picture in a non-profit calendar.

by Joe_Blow on Jul 26, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then post the rule.

Point is, you guys are doing the same thing here that you whine about when the media reports things about AU. Do your research before you jump to conclusions. It will make all of you seem a little smarter.

by burmbuster on Jul 27, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

No research required...

The rule has been posted on several sites.

12.5.2.1 Advertisements and Promotions After Becoming a Student-Athlete. After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual: (a) Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind

by joe-blow on Jul 27, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice copy and paste from the letter....

Maybe you need to read a little further. They were not selling or advertising them for sale. A business can display anything they want as long as its not posted for sale. The letter even states that no violations occured by what the business did. So what part of what you posted makes it a violation? He didnt receive anything and he had no idea how they were going to be used. Nice try though.

by burmbuster on Jul 27, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Waste of time Joe...

They will never get it, the use of a current student athletes name can not be used in a radio or television commercial for profit.
 Whether or not the S.A. gets any remuneration, is not at question here.

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by KoolBell777 on Jul 28, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

The player has to "know"

that the autograph or his likeness is going to be used to promote a business. Autograph stuff is all over the place in Tuscaloosa and probably Auburn too.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Jul 26, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's sad

I love AU football with all my heart but no school needs this. After all, people lets remember we are talking about a college, not a country, not a pro football team, a school, full of kids working their * off to get an education. Football is so great because passion is so high, I just hope it won’t hurt both schools in the end.

Haters can hate, but Cam will still parcipate!

by TheAuburnKnight on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Precisely!

People tend to forget it’s a game played on college campuses by teenagers and young adults. I love it, but once I’m finished with college, I’m done with it.

by Jamie Keller on Jul 26, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Allegations of Wrong doing?

Allegations from who? There are no allegations at this point. There is a letter to the store to cease and desist from 7 months ago. There are no “allegations” other than by people on here at this point.

Roll Tide!

by mobilematt12 on Jul 25, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Literally the only place I've seen talking about the Bama jersey thing is on this site

It’s not on espn or si. It is by no means a national story. No one is talking about it, it doesn’t appear to be against the rules, and the focus of cheating has not shifted from you onto Alabama.

Further, I don’t think the Sheridan thing was a big thing at the SEC media days. Chizik’s idiotic argument with the NCAA compliance director was the main thing he was questioned about, not this.

Will you guys just try and relax a little bit? If you really believe that Cecil didn’t take any money, then what do you care what anyone else says?

by elfcrash on Jul 25, 2011 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

The most insightful thing you will see regarding whether or not AU is in trouble

you will not see here, or on any other website or message board, and certainly not on any call in radio show. None of us know half of what we wish we did. The people who know are at the corner of Donahue and Samford at the athletic complex in Auburn. So we have to see what their actions are telling us. And what do we see from them?
1. A coaching staff that stayed in tact except for one coach who got an offer to coach in the pros.
2. This includes an offensive coordinator who was offered $3 million and multiple head coaching positions, something every coach dreams of.
3. A university that is moving forward with a plan to install a $100K statue of Cam Newton, despite whatever ongoing controversy there still is with people outside the know.
4. The best recruiting class in the nation currently.

I just can’t believe that a coaching staff who knows way more than we do would have millions of dollars waved in their face and stick around if the ship was sinking. I also can’t believe that highly sought after recruits who talk to way more coaches, coaches with ulterior motives, and other people in the know would get on board if the ship looked to be sinking. And I certainly can’t believe that a University would go forward with a plan to install $100K massive statue directly in front of its stadium if it thought it was going to have to face sneers and calls for it to be removed in a couple of years.

I am not in the know, but those who are don’t seem to be sweating, so why should I?
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by AuburnAlum05 on Jul 25, 2011 6:17 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Very well said...

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by KoolBell777 on Jul 25, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm getting tired of the assumption of moral equivalency in this

Every time some classless Alabama fan commits a newsworthy offense against Auburn we’re reminded of how ‘the rivalry is getting out of hand’. Even Marshall gets in on the insinuation: “Now we are starting to see signs of retaliation from the Auburn side.”

Really? Just when and where will these retaliations take place? I might like to participate.

So let me get this straight:

An imbecilic worshiper of Bear Bryant poisons living trees on campus, a forklift operator barely capable of uttering complete sentences expresses his offense at the relief efforts of Auburn fans for the Tuscaloosa community by declaring on a t-shirt his hatred for those fans’ beloved university, the owner of a legitimate Montgomery business totally unaffiliated with the university is harassed with groundless accusations meant solely to undermine an unequivocally-declared eligible student-athlete, and we’re supposed to believe these one-sided attacks signal a rivalry getting out of hand? As if it’s really both sides’ fault?

Yes, exactly, the way the attack on Pearl Harbor signaled a mere escalation in tensions between Pacific superpowers. (If I may borrow a metaphor from the current object of those fans’ adoration.)

These aren’t signs of an escalating rivalry, or even of one getting out of hand. They’re signs that the ignorant rabble calling themselves Tide fans can’t take it, and find recourse in juvenile acts of sabotage and slander against the campus, fans, and student-athletes of the university we love.

by atlWDE on Jul 25, 2011 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Few things tickle me more

than an Auburn fan calling a Bama fan a redneck. I mean honestly, where do you get this sense of superiority? Your beloved university isn’t ranked higher than Bama, and it’s not like you have this spectacular national reputation. Hell, most people aren’t even sure what state Auburn is in. And you guys have like an 80% acceptance rate, so it’s not like it’s harder to get into Auburn than it is Alabama. Where does it come from?

by elfcrash on Jul 25, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man I think you replied to the wrong post. I wrote nothing about Bama fans being rednecks. I’m half a redneck myself, I just happened to get a college education along the way. And somehow married well…

Some of my best friends and closest relatives are rednecks. I would never insult them by likening them to those Bama fans who continue to insult, and even assault, our university. I’m sure you wouldn’t either.

by atlWDE on Jul 25, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I thought it was nicer to say "redneck"

But if you prefer, nothing tickles me more than hearing an Auburn fan calling an Alabama fan ignorant.

by elfcrash on Jul 25, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about this...

You are being an ass plain and simple.

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 25, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad we agree on your behavior

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 25, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

elfcrash...

you prove the OP’s point on this one….

Your defensive and retaliatory posts to anything that doesn’t put Bama football on a pedestal continue your beloved University’s favorite fan tradition. If you can’t beat them, bash them. Sure, their are Auburn fans who do the same. Most of whom are of a younger generation and have learned from people like you! Remember, you are posting on an Auburn Football fan site. That alone speaks to who and what you are about.

by dzer13 on Jul 25, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's an UGA fan...

Though that is not much better hahaha just picking folks

It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.

by Sparkey on Jul 26, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm a UGA fan

But I do find it funny that you think the only reason Auburn fans can be nasty is because some Bama fan taught them how to be.

by elfcrash on Jul 26, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

I agree that it can be easy to get into Auburn. But good grief it can be very difficult to get into certain programs at Auburn. Getting into the engineering or Architecture program can be quite difficult as examples. Im sure UGA is similar.

by redheadcheme on Jul 26, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not knocking the quality of Auburn academics

I’m just saying that they aren’t any better than Bama academics. You guys are pretty much the same, with Bama currently holding a small edge in the rankings. I just want to know where this sense of superiority I always see on here comes from.

by elfcrash on Jul 26, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

Auburn is usually ranked higher than UA, but unless you’re in the top ten schools, it doesn’t amount to squat. The requirements to get into Auburn are slightly higher than to get into Alabama. More people apply to Alabama so they have a lower acceptance rate. And as someone who has attended both schools, I can tell you that Auburn is more difficult. Also, just because someone is a Bama fan, doesn’t mean they attend, will attend, or have ever attended UA. So calling a Bama fan a redneck has nothing to do with the school. FWIW, I’m not one to call Bama fans rednecks.
I’ve never met anyone who has claimed that they didn’t know what state Auburn is in. The only people I hear say that are Bama fans, which is where you probably picked that up.

by Joe_Blow on Jul 26, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

The people at the US New and World Report would disagree with you

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp%2B50/page+2

I actually went to school in DC for 4 years, and am now in North Carolina. I have met many people in both places who think that Auburn is in Georgia.

by elfcrash on Jul 26, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also saying that one is categorically "harder" than the other is kind of ridiculous

What makes one harder? The professors? The subjects? Hardness is pretty subjective. Someone not good at math/pulling a plow might find Auburn harder, but someone who can’t read/require a calculator to understand problems might find Alabama harder.

by elfcrash on Jul 26, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

I mean you have to admit Auburn is pretty close to the Georgia line. If a person were to guess I would give them props just by guessing Georgia because at least they guessed the South. I help recruit for the university and its quite remarkable how many students believe Auburn is a northern private school. The US News and World Report does have Auburn ranked below Alabama but Auburn has been in the top 50 longer than Bama has. So give us some credit for consistency (you dont have to). You mention this academic superiority complex and I think I can give you a plausible hypothesis.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/u-alabama.htm

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/collegeprofiles/p/Auburn_Profile.htm

Looking at the data (specifically the ACT because most students take the ACT) it can first be seen that there is not significant difference between schools (as you mentioned). If we are to draw hairs though Auburn has a slight average in the composite average ACT. But this is beside the point. My main point is the size of the freshmen classes. Auburn’s is much smaller (about 1000 student give or take) and yet the average ACT between the schools is the same. So the law of averages takes place here…..Auburn has less dumb people and less smart people. Bama has more dumb people and more smart people. Everything mostly averages out. However, as we all know dumb people seem to have the unique ability on making themselves known or heard (a loud minority group can make all the difference, im sure you would agree). This is what I would say causes some Auburn folks to have a superiority complex.

In reality the two schools are more alike than they are different. Even the people of both universities aver very similar even though we say we hate each other.

Ok the Braves just won so I can finally go to bed (thank goodness). I look forward to an enlightening response from you elfcrash. History shows you seem to always like to have the last response.

by redheadcheme on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do love me some last response

And I too stayed up to watch that marathon of a game. I am very surprised we won. You didn’t really say anything I disagree with. You guys are very similar schools and have very similar student bodies, with Auburn getting a slight edge for the reasons you mentioned. Usually engineering schools have a slightly higher average test score, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the school is “better”. It has always just seemed odd to me that Auburn fans pull the academic superiority card over Bama when, really, they aren’t all that superior.

by elfcrash on Jul 27, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Put it this way...

No, they do not disagree with me. UA is currently ranked higher than Auburn but over the course of the past 20 or so years, this has not been the case. Note that I said that Auburn is usually ranked higher.

From my experience, you can easily pass classes at UA by memorizing the material. At Auburn, you had to actually understand and be able to apply the material. That’s just my experience, though. And no, I’m not comparing core classes at one school to business classes at the other. I’m comparing the classes that I took in business and computer science.

I lived in NYC and Milan for several years, and have traveled extensively. I still maintain that the only people (Americans) I hear that nonsense from are Bama fans…and you. And if people actually think Auburn is Georgia, I’m fine with that. That’s much better than being in Alabama. I’m sure you would agree to that.

Georgetown? William and Mary? How was your time there? People seem extremely uptight in that city. I think my blood pressure increases every time I’m there.

by joe-blow on Jul 27, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well William & Mary is in Williamsburg

I went to GWU. I liked it, DC is a cool town as long as you stay away from the political types, which can be pretty difficult at times. Never been to Milan, but I’ve heard good things. I studied in Scotland and toured around Europe for a semester, but never got into Northern Italy.

As far as Auburn and Alabama are concerned, I think they’re about the same academics wise. Like GT, I don’t think Auburn requires a higher standard to get in, it’s just that the more “elite” students are being pushed towards science and engineering couses, which would lead them to Auburn over UA. I think that’s why GT and Auburn have higher test score admission numbers than though they are very comparable in every other sense to their respective state institutions.

by elfcrash on Jul 27, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey-o.

I really did mean GWU. Don’t know where William & Mary came from. Damn mid-majors. Oh well, not the fist time I’ve stuck my foot in my mouth. :)

I think we can agree on that.

by joe-blow on Jul 27, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

No worries

I do much worse on a regular basis

by elfcrash on Jul 27, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jay, don't even act like UA fans started this...

Your fans started this the day they paid Gene Jelks to run his mouth about UA.

Your fans started this the day they launched Operation Red Dog – where they stalked innocent 18 year old kids and their families in an attempt to frame them and hinder Saban’s success.

Your fans started this the day you spread lies about Brodie Croyle dying in a hunting accident.

You guys started this the day David Housel compared a public university to Nazi Germany on the air.

You guys started this the day you allowed Pat Dye and Bobby Lowder to buy every player they could get their hands on.

And lastly, you started this the day you bought a $250k quarterback all because Alabama took back what you guys cheated so hard at to accomplish under Pat Dye and Terry Bowden: the rivalry series.

Etc., Etc., Etc….

For as long as I can remember, Auburn fans have spent most of their lives attempting to destroy The University of Alabama. Almost every day it’s something new. Finally, after years of having to watch you guys buy every win and your players earn degrees when they can’t even spell their names, while trying to set UA up in the process, the truth is coming out. And it’s not just Alabama, but the NATION sees you guys for what you really are. Auburn winning the NC was a blessing in disguise for the SEC…

Alabama fans didn’t bring this upon you, you guys did. There are good Auburn people out there (even who post here), but there are also just as many Alabama-obsessed ITAT morons who have no other purpose in their sad and pathetic life other than their singular obsession, which is trying to destroy The University. That’s been their MO since its creation.

It’s called KARMA and it’s obviously not your friend.

by Jamie Keller on Jul 26, 2011 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL....

Jamie Keller’s a little off I think. Did Housel compare UA to Nazi’s? lol really? I especially like the….Etc.,Etc., thing not to mention Operation Red Dog and did Brodie die in a hunting accident? lol I can’t stop laughing at some of this stuff……

It’s all your fault Auburn Fans……your just a bunch a big fat cheaters and the crimson tahd is sullied by the mere fact that we are within the same state……you hooligans…. the crimson tide is as chaste as new fallen snow and Auburn is….well big fat cheaters…..LOL

Jamie Keller you’re funny.

I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.

Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.

by Todd92 on Jul 26, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what part of his post is not true?

Easy to laugh at something when you don’t have a meaningfull explanation for it. Schools skirt the rules and even break the rules to get a competetive edge over others. All schools do. But I have to agree that AU and its fans have gone out of their way, on numerous occasions, to not only gain a competetive edge by breaking rules but also to destroy the credibility and do harm to the University of Alabama.
After all, AU is STILL the king of the SEC in NCAA violations.

by burmbuster on Jul 27, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Check yourself.....

Eric Ramsey recieved compensation from Alabama fans for his “turning” on AU….I believe both schools to have those fans that spend too much time trying to dig up dirt on the other. As far as…AU being the king of NCAA violations….no you guys are pretty much the reigning king with 17 plus years of continuous probation.

I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.

Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.

by Todd92 on Jul 28, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

*He (Chizik) and Saban are now widely considered the two best college recruiters in the game. *

Good grief.

I have no dog in the Alabama/Auburn fight, but that’s a ridiculous statement. There isn’t one person on the planet outside of Alabama who would call Gene Chizik “the best college recruiter in the game”.

Awww. c'mon girl.

by SmoovP on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

You want a war Jay?

Or do you just want to pawn your problems off on big brother like the hypocrite that you are? How does this make you feel? There’s more proof of shadiness in these photos than Trent Richardson signing autographs…





Care to guess where Robinson was the weekend before June 2nd? On an Auburn visit (without his mother’s consent).


“Whatever the NCAA findings are, that’s what we’re going with.” -Cecil Newton

Alabama’s not out to get your program, Jay, the nation is.

by Lamarcus on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Master at photoshop are we????????

Come and join me at http://trackemtigers.com

by KoolBell777 on Jul 28, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jay Jay Jay -

What a message indeed. Soooo close but yet so far. I am thinking I need to take the high road, but I simply cannot. Therefore, I am going to encourage retaliation that is supposed to “protect” my school.

by Scott1965 on Aug 2, 2011 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

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