Texas A&M Coming To The SEC Could Help Put AU In The East.
The scuttlebutt is growing legs as we speak, Texas A&M is very close to joining the SEC. This could be the best thing for AU since the Ironbowl was moved to home and home....this could feasibly move AU into the SEC east. Think about it.....if aTm moves into the west and the SEC picks up another team that could move into the west as well such as Mizzou or even Oklahoma not to mention possibly another Texas team, then the west would have to cough over a team to the east.......
and the only logical choice in that scenario would be the Auburn Tigers. We could finally begin playing UF and UT again every year and have UA as our eastern foe every year and dare I say it put an Ironbowl rematch into the SEC Championship game....which would be freaking awesome. Of course there are other options that would keep this from happening (other than the aTm thing falling through) we could see the addition of Clemson or FSU which would kill our hopes but for now the possibility is there so we can hope.
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Move Alabama and Auburn to the East and move Vanderbilt to the West
Then you keep the Third Saturday in October intact
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Not sure how it would work with 7 teams in each division.....
but one possibility is playing 9 conference games with each team keeping two traditional east west rivalry’s and one rotating opponent….either way I suspect the SEC will go to a 9 game conference schedule which will make the SEC an even tougher gauntlet and perhaps push D1A one step closer to a playoff. It’s going to be exciting the next few days to watch all of this unfold or perhaps collapse into another failed attempt at expansion. I for one wouldn’t be surprised to see either OU, Mizzou, or TTU bolt with aTm…..IMO it’s a shame that TCU already committed to the Big Least as they would have made a great add on with the Aggies.
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I'd pick Missouri, then Oklahoma, then Texas Tech, then TCU
Texas Tech and TCU don’t expand our base any more than Texas A&M does
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by jd is legend on Aug 10, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love to see.....
OU, Mizzou, TCU, TTU in that order….and while TCU, and TTU don’t expand our base per se…they would at the very least give the SEC a much stronger footprint in Texas and Texas’ recruiting would be worth it. But that being said I think OU would do the same thing while also expanding the base as you put it.
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Good to see you JD....
haven’t seen you on in a while….hope your doin good.
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I've been around, just reading not commenting
The conference realignment stuff is fascinating to me, though
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by jd is legend on Aug 10, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear ya...
if it doesn’t fall apart the aggies would be a great addition and help Rkansas finally feel less alienated…..and I know that LSU would like to reopen their rivalry with the aggies.
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Interesting outlook on the Aggies SBnation site.....
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And yet another.....
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your use of technical terms...
linky thingy
Has me all a blush Todd.
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I personally don't want to go to the Eastern Division...
Would it be nice to start playing Florida and Tennessee again? Absolutely. But we would lose our rivalry with LSU, which has offered countless classic games.
Now, that said, I’m excited about Texas A&M’s (probable) move to the SEC. Oklahoma will probably be coming with them. However, I want the SEC to get two east-coast teams (such as Clemson, WVU, VT, Florida State, etc.) so that there aren’t any division flips.
Auburn-LSU isn’t the oldest rivalry Auburn has, but you can certainly argue that, historically, it’s the most sheer entertaining rivalry in the SEC. I mean, the Earthquake Game, Hurricane Game, Last-Second Game, The Night the Barn Burned Down, the Cigar Game, the Field Goal Game (2005), “RefGate” (or so LSU fans called the 2006 game), the Interception Game, I could go on and on… I don’t want to lose that rivalry.
In their respective times at Auburn, both Tuberville and Chizik have defeated 100 Ducks.
You are showing your age.....
you might want to do a little research and find out who AU’s traditional rivalries are and the great games that were played with them…..we’ve only began a consistant rivalry with LSU since going to divisional play in the SEC…..we used to play UT and UF every year…..in fact we’ve played UF more times than we have Bama and we played UT every year, until divisional play began, since WWII. We have lost all of our Traditional rivalry’s with the exception of Bama and UGA since the start of Divisional play….and I for one miss playing UT and UF every year…and while we’re at it I wish we would play GT every year again. There are some great LSU games that have been played over the past 19 years but there are many many more UT and UF games that hold that distinction for those of us who have been around a little longer than the last 19 years…..if that’s your only criteria for not wanting to go to the east.
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by Todd92 on Aug 10, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't mean for that to sound snarky....
please don’t take that wrong. Just think that your feelings will reflect a generational divide that will cut off somewhere in the late 20 to early 30 something set.
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Here is my take on it....
If Auburn were moved to the East, we could play Bama and LSU every year with the others on a rotation. I personally wouldn’t give a rats patty if we never ever ever played Miss St. again. That pathetic excuse of a football program is the lowest form of dung consumer there is. Jawja has a helluva lot more class than that festering sore of the earth.
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That's what I'm excited about.....
I would much rather play the east 6 games, UA and LSU plus one rotating west team, or UA and two rotating west teams. I wouldn’t miss playing the Mississippi schools and I could be satisfied playing Arkansas ever 3 or 4 years.
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LSU, Ole Miss, and MSU were never our traditional rivals.....
UT, UF, and UGA have always been. Losing the UT and UF game in the early 90’s sucked and still sucks and I would trade UF and UT for Rkansas and the Mississippi’s in a heartbeat. The LSU game is a good one for sure but the way I look at it we would be trading on good rivalry for two traditionally great rivalrys. Tennessee may be down now but that won’t last.
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Agreed.
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by aubtigerman on Aug 11, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Kool don't be shy; tells us how you really feel about the Maroons.
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by aubtigerman on Aug 11, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm well aware we have old rivalries with Tennessee and Florida
..and I’m well aware the LSU rivalry hasn’t been around all that long. But in my experience, outside of the Iron Bowl, the best gameday on the Plains to me has always been LSU. Yes, we’ve played Tennessee 48 times and Florida more times than we’ve played Alabama. My point is, I simply don’t want Auburn in the East division. I’m open to the idea, but I’m just skeptical. Auburn-LSU, while it doesn’t have much history, has provided more classics in the last 25-30 years than any other rivalry in the SEC and maybe college football.
I’m well aware of history. If we move to the East, it would be great to get the Tennessee and Florida rivalries back, but we couldn’t play LSU every year. We would likely play Arkansas, Texas A&M or any Big 12 team that comes over.
In their respective times at Auburn, both Tuberville and Chizik have defeated 100 Ducks.
by Nathan Deal on Aug 12, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm willing to bet that AU would get to name our choice as compensation for the move...
and the AU UF game was every bit as electric a rivalry as AU LSU…..those of us who were in the stands as Frank Sanders caught TD’s remember all too well how fantastic a rivalry it is…..I also enjoyed seeing Emmit Smith crying on the bench after we shut him out of his Heisman run.
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By the way.....
the earthquake game was in 1988 before LSU was a yearly rival….I’m sure you’re aware of that…..just sayin’.
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I'm aware of that..
I’m just saying, more often than not, Auburn-LSU provides a classic. It’s a great “new-age” rivalry.
In their respective times at Auburn, both Tuberville and Chizik have defeated 100 Ducks.
by Nathan Deal on Aug 12, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I would rather stay in the West too
Of course you can tell by my handle that I have only been watching Auburn Football since 1982. But Governor Deal up there highlights some great games that we have had with LSU. Plus, moving us to the East will upset the balance of the traditional SEC powers. 6 of the 12 have won the conference championship and currently 3 of those teams are in the East and 3 are in the West. UF, UT, and UGA all had tough years last year but they will undoubtedly bounce back which will leave you with 4 of those stronger SEC teams in the East and 2 in the West. aTm and Mizzou could be that 3rd and 4th power team in the West or even Arky but then again they might not. Going to the East wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, but I am not sure it would be so great either.
by AuburnAlum05 on Aug 11, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Conferences really shouldn't be larger than...
…twelve teams, in my opinion. Look at the WAC—after the first wave of conference realignments, the one resulting in the creation of the Big XII and the death of the Southwestern Conference, the WAC went to 16 teams—that is really untenable, and the WAC busted up into the Mountain West (the teams most people thought of as the WAC) and whatever was left over. I feel 14 teams in a conference would be just as untenable, and would give you odd numbers in a division, causing crazy scheduling headaches to boot.
Leave maximum conference size at 12 with two divisions of 6 for all conferences. In fact, if I am right, we have exactly 120 DivIA teams right now, so force ’em all in 10 12-team conferences. Then, if you have to have a playoff, have a playoff of the conference champs ONLY.
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(who also says keep the number of conference games at 8 so you can have 2 patsies AND 2 great intersectional games each year)
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by Michael Val Hietter on Aug 10, 2011 9:26 PM CDT reply actions
I can understand some of that...
but I think comparing what the MWC became to what the SEC could become is apples and oranges…..the MWC was full of has beens and never beens…….the SEC could have 9 great conference games and one great OOC along with the two powderpuffs….right now most years it’s one good OOC and 3 not so good OOC games, only occasionally do you have 2 good OOC games and for the past few years AU has only had the one. And I don’t want to see a scenario where a 3 loss East Champ for example beats an undefeated West Champ and the West Champ gets left out of a play off while a powderpuff MAC, USA, MWC, WAC or even Big Least champ gets in.
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I agree, 12 has worked really well for the SEC and the Pac 12 and Big 10...
have finally stubbornly added teams to try the model (and I agree also, they are making a mistake going to a 9 conference game schedule in the future with 8 being plenty especially when your respective division champs have to play a 9th game), but this A&M to SEC thing does not seem to want to go away. 14 is not a good number, but workable—16 just seems impossible, but if everybody goes to it, the SEC will most likely also. If we add A&M to get the Texas market and give us (LSU and I would like to have this rivalry renewed as one of the good things to come out of A&M coming aboard) and Arky another rival, I say add one more (Missouri or WVU maybe) and stay at 14. I really hope the SEC is reactive; letting the other big conferences act first may be the best way to proceed.
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…but, although FSU was the wuss of wusses for ducking joining the SEC before we settled for Arkansas and South Carolina, it seems to me that with Miami and VPI (VaTech) now in the ACC, a sense of natural balance was restored to the football conference alignments (Boston College in the ACC, that’s another story). I couldn’t think of taking FSU or Clemson over getting Georgia Tech back into our Conference, anyway, notwithstanding the bad history between Tech and the SEC.
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(who actually wasted a few days of his life creating a 120-team, 10-conference alignment plan with divisions, that Nebraska, and Colorado, and Utah totally skee-rewed up!)
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by Michael Val Hietter on Aug 10, 2011 9:42 PM CDT reply actions
I agree about FSU....
I remember Bobby Bowden saying he wasn’t going to throw his team to the dogs everyyear by joining the SEC. But I would rather see D1A pared down to say 98 teams and 7 conferences with 14 teams.
This is supposed to be a place where we can discuss, argue, rehash, and regurgitate our football addiction without repercussion…..so please post repeatedly.
I would also like to see GT rejoin the conference but there are enough bammers and old SEC guys out there that are old enough to remember what the feud was about that I don’t think that would happen (and GT made their bed let’em lie in it)….and as far as that goes what does Tech have to offer the SEC? Basketball? Nope not anymore. Football? No. Bigger recruiting area? No. TV market? No. As much as I would like to see our rivalry renewed with them they really don’t offer the conference much incentive to offer them an “Olive Branch”. Clemson has a Football Program that fits better in the SEC than the SEC as does FSU (although I still think they chickened out 20 years ago).
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I remember I was stunned...
…when, at the announcement of FSU going to the ACC, I saw on TV Bobby Bowden saying that FSU couldn’t keep up week-in and week-out in the SEC. I couldn’t believe that a coach would actually admit that they joined X conference to avoid getting their butts beat by Y conference. That’s like saying “I’m a wuss and I am proud of it” or “We’ll take an automatic conference championship every year just for existing” (didn’t FSU win nine straight ACC titles, and go undefeated in the ACC for umpteen years?).
Of course, the old maxim under the pre-BCS system was that the SEC never won MNC’s because we always beat up on each other, and we SEC fans were okay with that because WE knew where the best football was played. I can’t figure out if 2004 changed that line of reasoning or reinforced it for AU fans, but I do think it is interesting that the SEC has now won 5 BCS’s in a row, with LSU getting an MNC with two losses on their season.
Michael Val
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by Michael Val Hietter on Aug 11, 2011 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Expansion is coming whether we want it or not.
I just don’t want to see one division (like the west) get heavier in competition than the east.
I would love for A&M to join...
but I think we would have to add a team from the East as well… I would like to see GT come back, but I don’t see that happening. I think Clemson would probably be the most logical team to add, assuming they would accept an invite.
This always makes me groan...
The SEC would invite Texas AM, and MOST likely a team on the east coast such as Clemson, or Va Tech, with FSU and GT as outside chances, before Oklahoma gets in the mix. I do not think Oklahoma would come to the SEC in any case. They want Texas a style media deal, and are more connected to Austin than AM is. Whatever the case, moving the the east doesn’t give me the same goose bumps as most of Auburn the blogesphere, and it certainly doesn’t compare to “The First Time Ever.” For starters a move to the SEC would essentially be trading LSU for Tennessee every year. We benefit so much more by playing LSU, and this will likely be the case for a very long while. Next, as mentioned, is the rather conceited notion that “oh we’d just play Bama for our eastern opponent” while totally forgetting that THEIR interdivisional slot is already taken with one of their oldest rivalries with Tennessee. The SEC could reinstate the schedule of playing TWO inter-divisional games (bad idea), and Hopefully Auburn would play Bama and LSU. That’s the only case that would leave me happy. Of course this would gives us the hardest schedule in the country every year. There is the idea of shuffling around Vandy and yade yade, but in the end moving to the east is nothing to be overly excited about. The Tennessee rivalry has be eclipsed by time, and I had alot of fun with the Florida rivalry alla the Steve Spurrier days, but that’s all done now, and I would miss our new rivalry with LSU. . In the end (when) Texas AM joins the SEC, I hope we invite Va Tech (DC Media market) or Clemson (Auburn with a lake), and stay in the west. Lets stop reminiscing about old times and give the whole moving to the east a break.
The Vols were Bama without the championships....
they (General Neyland) refused to come to the plains to play AU until after Neyland had kicked the bucket….those hillbilly puss sacks are fun to hate and a renewed rivalry with them would be very heated from the start…..and I don’t think OU has the fan base that Texas does (not many schools do). OU couldn’t pull a deal like the Longhorn Network and if they could it wouldn’t be as lucrative and they know it…..OU will have to join another conference if the Big# goes the way of the Dodo…..and no conference would be more lucrative to join from a profit sharing standpoint than the SEC…..the one thing that would keep OU from joining would be either Texas breaking the Redriver Rivalry out of spite or OU not wanting to face the kind of competition every week that they would in the SEC (a’la FSU). And whether you wish it or not if the SEC adds two western market teams such as A&M and Mizzou (a very likely scenario) AU will move to the East.
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Auburn to the east makes a lot of sense.
I hope it happens.
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Me too but ...
I don’t think the rest of the league would stand for it. They do not want a scenario where the Championship game in Atlanta might come down to Auburn vs. Alabama.
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The big 10 did it with Michigan and Ohio St.
Who cares? If AU and Alabama are the two best teams let them play!
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Why the love for the SEC East??
Why does everyone want to move to the SEC East…they want a footprint in Texas…and I don’t see them getting another team that far out west..I say they go after Clemson or Virgina Tech or FSU for the East
From a historical standpoint ...
All of Auburn’s traditional rivalries (except Alabama) are in the East. LSU is a more recent rivalry that came about after divisional play was instituded. Also Auburn fits geographically with the East; but when divisional play was first formulated, the league did not want to split Auburn and Alabama.
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All this talk...
All of Auburn’s traditional rivalries (except Alabama) are in the East. LSU is a more recent rivalry that came about after divisional play was instituded.
Moving to the east means Auburn is trading a currently STRONG rivalry with a STRONG opponent in LSU with a weaker opponent and a passe’ rivalry in Tennessee all for the sake of tra’dshun. In short, you’re right that LSU a relatively newer rivalry, but it’s an obviously better one to have right now and likely many years to come.
Also Auburn fits geographically with the East
Uhhh in what respect? all of the teams in the west share a time zone, that’s about all the fit I can see, and it goes AGAINST your argument. Also in the current alignment no states are carved up…
when divisional play was first formulated, the league did not want to split Auburn and Alabama.
When first done, Auburn kept Bama and Florida, however the SEC found that two interdivisional rivalries didn’t work so well, and gave scheduling headaches. If Auburn goes to the east and the SEC sticks with one interdivisional match up, we would be in a real pickle because we’d want Bama (of course) but they already have Tennessee? So you expect Bama and Tennessee to give up it’s 4th saturday? or the Iron Bowl? Neither will happen. That, and trading LSU For Tennessee, is why this whole thing is a very bad idea.
I also don’t see the SEC pulling another team from out west. Oklahoma wants a Texas style media deal, and won’t bow to SEC money sharing equality deals. OU is far more tied to the whims of Austin than AM is. On that note it’s far more likely the SEC would turn east to VA Tech or Clemson, which would make this whole discussion moot.
You make some good points Fgmoon
But old farts like me will always long for our old rivalries. Just roll your eyes and give us a break. If expansion does come from two teams from the west, it is likely that someone will have to give up one of their regular scheduled teams.
Of course as you point out if the league adds an eastern team (ie.Clemson-Va.T) then nothing has to change in relation to current teams we play at present. Also you may have noticed that my comments above essentially agrees with you that I don’t think it will ever happen. But that doesn’t change what I would like to see. Thanks for your input and welcome to Track ’ Em Tigers. I hope we hear from you again.
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I noted in the post the fact that if it were FSU or Clemson or another east coast team all of this is moot.....
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You keep saying that we would be trading Tennessee for LSU.....
I say we would be trading Tennessee for Arkansas and Florida for LSU……also, UK and Vandy are in the central Timezone and not as close to the eastern time zone as AU is (there goes that theory)…..and if the SEC goes to 14 teams they will go to a nine game SEC schedule and would just as likely keep two traditional interdivisional rivalry’s….so bama would most likely keep the 3rd satuday game and the Ironbowl would still be the Ironbowl. OU might want a Sooner Network but they aren’t a big enough school or fanbase to make it fly…..UT is a ginormous fanbase in a ginormous state. As I said above VaTech would make sense for the SEC to expand into a new area…..Clemson not so much…..FSU would get the invite and possibly even Miami before Clemson and they would only get the invite after Va Tech was invited……Having said all of this Mizzou is the most likely candidate that would not only get the invite but would come if asked.
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Geography?
Yeah your right about UK – Vandy. And my point in the comment above was that Gainesville, Knoxville, and Athens are a lot closer than Fayetville, Baton Rouge, and College Station.
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Lets keep things in perspective...
I say we would be trading Tennessee for Arkansas and Florida for LSU
Focus on the competitive halves of both divisions (the big 6); when you hack it out, UGA is a push because we’d play them either way, Florida for Bama, but that’s out because we’d just burn our out of division chit to keep Bama, that leaves LSU for Tennessee. So what’s the biggest concern here? Bam… trading Tennessee for LSU, I’ve made more than enough reference why LSU is the better team to play every year. Yes, you can go to 2 interdivisionals, but that’s been done before and scuttled. More on that in a bit.
UK and Vandy are in the central Timezone and not as close to the eastern time zone as AU is (there goes that theory)
I wasn’t making a theory, I just don’t understand the whole “fits geographically” point that was made. I factually do point out that all teams in the west are on central time- which is a fact. I never said that inversely all eastern teams were on eastern time. If Auburn was on eastern time, this might have been a good point, but otherwise I found it arbitrary. Also FYI; Lexington, KY is in eastern time. (so there goes that)
if the SEC goes to 14 teams they will go to a nine game SEC schedule and would just as likely keep two traditional interdivisional rivalry’s….so bama would most likely keep the 3rd satuday game and the Ironbowl would still be the Ironbowl.
I’ve said this would be what would HAVE to happen, but I don’t see it as a good thing. We (and LSU) would have a Herculean schedule as we’d probably pick up LSU as our second. And you didn’t mention this ditty in your original blogging. It seemed to me you didn’t think this all the way through of Bama’s scheduling in your excitement of Auburn’s potential move to the East.
OU might want a Sooner Network but they aren’t a big enough school or fanbase to make it fly…..UT is a ginormous fanbase in a ginormous state.
Do some research here… OU has publicly put out their intentions of making their on network and staying up to par with Texas. If they have enough mustard to do it or not is beside the point. The main point is that their sights are pointed this way, not towards the SEC money equality ways.
You mentioned several possible invites…
VA Tech has a new media market, but doesn’t have an SEC look and feel. Blacksburg is too Appalachia, and their band box stadium doesn’t have that big time SEC feel, their fans are east coasters, but still more likely than OU. Clemson is my A choice. There is already and SEC team in state, and Clemson has an SEC look and feel. It’d also be nearly seamless. Miami? that’s a laugh- forget about it. FSU maybe, but some SEC brass are still butt hurt from being shunned last time. Mizzou is like VA tech- decent media market with St. Louis but not an SEC look and feel, and I think the SEC would direct to VA Tech, and Clemson first. It’d be on the list, but down a bit.
I disagree, obviosly....
nobody in their right mind would ever suggest that the ironbowl would go to the way side so no it’s not Bama for UF….so it’s still Tennnessee for Arky and UF for LSU although if we keep two western rivals LSU would most likely be it….as far as the helluva schedule goes….yeah everyone in the SEC would be in for a major schedule upgrade…and yes I’ve thought it through and I still like it…..every bit of it in fact. And the Sooners may want a Network but unless ESPN or whomever comes to court them it’s kinda like me saying I want a Ferrarri……want in one hand, poop in the other and see which one fills up faster. I disagree about Blacksburg being an SEC feel…..their fans are crazed and the only thing around that part of Virginia is Va Tech…….Mizzou would be asked because of the market….Va Tech and Mizzou both have better facilities than Vandy and Miss State and as good as UK if not better….and it wouldn’t take them long with SEC profit sharing to upgrade those facilities.
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Va Tech would make sense....
Clemson is a good fit program wise but wouldn’t increase TV market area…..so I would think that Clemson would be down a little further on the wish list for those that have have the invitation envelopes.
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I like Ga. Tech for the other team but ...
Your right, Virginia Tech would bring in a fairley new recruiting area and the DC TV market,
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Just out of curiosity...
What’s the source on this story?
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by War Eagle Atlanta on Aug 11, 2011 9:45 AM CDT reply actions
Todd linked Tex. A&M SB Nation Blog above in his comments and -
It’t been all over the net. See:SB Nation’s I am the 12th man.com
http://www.iamthe12thman.com/2011/8/9/2353416/ags-to-sec-in-2012
And last night ESPN had an article on it. See:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6851396/texas-governor-says-texas-considering-move-sec
by PineMtTiger on Aug 11, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Sources?
For AM moving to the SEC, or Auburn going to the East? Texas AM WILL be in the SEC, write it down and take a picture of it. Google about it and read, and you’ll find it’s just a matter of time. As for Auburn moving to the east? There might be reliable sources, but I doubt it… If you stroll through Auburn boards enough you’ll see this topic come up and some of our fans can control their excitement at the prospects of Auburn moving to the East. Some even come to irrational notion that we should just end the Iron Bowl to make it more seamless. Our fans really need to stop and think when this topic comes up, because Auburn moving to another division would be a big deal, and it’s not all rosey. In the end you have an unsolvable scheduling equation with Tennessee/Alabama/Iron Bowl/4th Saturday… and you are trading LSU, with their deep monopoly on in state recruiting and strong teams for Tennessee, who just plain sucks now, and can’t keep Nick Saban out of their already shallow recruiting pond. In short, this is a bad trade in this day and age.
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There is no "source" for us moving to the east other than the logical progression that if.....
A&M and another team west of the Mississippi comes to the SEC a current western division team would have to make the move to the east……and what team would do that? The only one I know of would be us…..if you can name another I’m listening.
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It would probably be Auburn...
But I wouldn’t be excited about it. I don’t want to trade LSU for Tennessee, and likely have to play two interdivisional match ups to keep them and the Iron Bowl, because remember Bama will want to keep Tennessee. This also gives us the hardest schedule in the nation every year. Not to mention the SEC went away from 2 interdivisionals for a reason- I don’t see us going back to it.
I think it might be “logical progression” if the SEC takes up another team out west but better logic tells me the SEC is more likely too shift their attention east, and look east to Clemson (SEC look and feel) or VA Tech (DC Media market), and this whole argument would be moot.
They won't take Clemson. Clemson has no value....
And the west is far stronger than the east right now and for the immediate future. VT would be a good fit money wise but not culturally. I can’t see that happening. One thing is for sure, the SEC will never be the same. This is big time and it will eventually lead to a playoff system.
16 teams would be a doable situation...
Even if it weren’t a popular thing to do.
In baseball there would be 4 divisions the champ of each division and two wildcards going to Hoover to play for the conference championship.
Basketball has decided to move away from divisional play, so be it.
Football would be the tricky part but not impossible. 4 teams as annual rivals for each team, and rotate the rest in an 8 game SEC schedule. Leaving the other three OOC games to each schools discretion.
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Those are points I have not thought about KB but ...
I think expanding will make it tougher for the SEC to win a National Championship in football simply because it may increase the chances for losses. However, that being said, the SEC will be expanding. The only question is will it be now or next year.
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We will hear about A&M on Monday or Tuesday of next week.
Buckle your seat belts. This is going to get interesting.
Rather stay put!
Hello gentlemen, I haven’t contributed much to this site at all so please forgive my ignorance. I enjoy reading and respect the knowledge of everyone here. Personally, as someone who travels to the out of town games since the late 70’s as well as the home ballgames, I would rather stay right here in the West. I could be wrong but Auburn started playing LSU in 1901 and Tennessee in 1956. Six games is all that separates the total played against the two with Auburn having played Tennessee more. My take is the Auburn vs LSU rivalry is much more intense than the Tennessee game would ever be. Even when we played Tenn constantly they were still like #4 on the rivalry list. My two favorite places to play away games are in Baton Rouge and Gainesville. I think for 16 years Tennessee would always insist on playing Auburn in Birmingham. and 2 times in Atlanta. Smokey Vol wouldn’t come to Auburn to play until 1974 with a quarterback named Condredge Holloway and they got waxed 21 – 0 with players like Ken Bernich, Phil Gargis, Mike Fuller, Rusty Deen, and Secdrick McIntyre (know I am giving away my age!!!) Geesh, has anyone traveled to Fayettville, Arkansas!!!! It’s a long, long drive. I could only imagine driving to College Station, Tx. Why expand??? MONEY! I would rather stay put!!!!
You got to be right on the travel. College station is a long way from Auburn.
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you're right...
the Tennessee rivalry screams “hasbeen” compared to LSU… Even if we just recently started playing LSU every year.
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430 miles to Little Rock, AR If your driving, that is a fair sized difference. By plane it’s another twenty minutes or so.
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It's apparently going to happen with A&M.....
unless some last minute Texas groveling takes place (doubtful) and I agree right now LSU is a much better program than Tennessee….but I don’t expect that’s going to be the case forever…regardless Florida is a bigger rival for AU and is not a has been as some paint Tennessee to be and I would love to get Florida back yearly and I don’t have the love affair with Arkansas and the Mississippi Schools that would keep me in the West.
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New Scenario??????
Just based on distance alone….Boot Arky back to where they came from (just too far for any SEC team other than LSU to travel. Bring in Clemson, Ga Tech or possibly Florida State. Take either Florida State or Florida and place them in the West.
FSU won't come
They have a better chance for supremacy in the ACC. Clemson and Ga, Tech would be natural fits but they probably would not get an invite unless Va. Tech turned us down. Reason; no new TV market with any of those three.
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Just set in my ways!!
I just don’t want to move ATM, I enjoy going to Oxford, and Starkville. Starkvegas is the only game where you can park on the interstate and its never a sell out!!!!! Bringing all these others in…….just down right unSECish!!!! lol
I think your statement about FSU was true a decade ago.....
Not so sure now. They see the writing on the wall. The money in the SEC is far better than the ACC.
Problem is Arky won't have a conference to go back to....
The Big 12 will probably implode before its all over.
I am a young gun
so I know you older fans are going to disagree with me and lecture about history, but I really enjoy being in the west and I would prefer not to change that. I’m not saying that it would be devastating to me if we got moved to the east because I think it would be fun to play Tennessee and Florida every year, I’m just a little against the idea of possibly playing Alabama two weeks in a row in the IB and SECCG. That takes the fun out of a once a year rivalry if you ask me.
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I can see where some might think that the Ironbowl would lessen.....
but I actually think the opposite….not only would we still more than not have the opportunity to knock Bama out of the SECCG (and vice-versa) but think of the freaking rematch…..I mean holy cow what a game that would be….one side looking for some payback….the other side having to repeat what they just did…..it would be an SECCG on steroids and huge for the state I might add.
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I dont like it.
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by TheAuburnKnight on Aug 12, 2011 7:52 AM CDT reply actions
Expound Sparkey.....
why don’t you think it’s going to happen?
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I just don't see it happening
I think that the Big whatever it is now will do something at the last minute to keep Texas A&M. I hope I’m wrong as I’d love to see it, but that conference has to know it’s on ropes end and it cannot afford to lose Texas A&M.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
I'm not sure that can be done Sparkey unless Longhorn Network were to become.....
the Longhorn Aggie Network with equal money….and that ain’t happenin.
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One thing that could kill A&M moving to the SEC would be the SEC.....
not finding a suitable companion school to come with them…….but I think there are too many schools that would come for that to happen.
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The number one thing in all of this is money..
UT could offer a 50/50 split and still not come close to the money aTm can make in the SEC. The accompanying team will be from a televised market bonanza, count on it, even if that is North Carolina. The SEC will then renegotiate with ESPN/CBS and get whatever it wants.
Money, money, money….
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by KoolBell777 on Aug 12, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.....
that’s why I still think it’s someone like Oklahoma or Mizzou or Va Tech.
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Just not Missouri....
I’d love to get aTm in the conference, but not if we’re inviting Missouri along with them. I don’t want Auburn moving to the East. We should pull a team from the ACC if we can get one away. I’d like to see Clemson come in, of course I grew up in South Carolina so I might be biased.
Why Clemson?
They have absolutely no value to the conference.
Scarbinsky may or may not read TET...
my bet is that he does….but either way it takes him way longer to put two plus two together to make four.
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FSU and Auburn to the east....
A&M, Oklahoma, and OSU to the west. That would be awsome. Theres not a conference in the land that could match that level of play.
I thought last Summer getting UT, A&M, OU and OSU would have been ideal...
but now that I see how much a diva UT is, heck no to UT ever, and what you say here is perfect. OU even with OSU coming along is the key to maintaining balance between divisions with AU and FSU in the East. With recruiting and influence this is a very strong Texas footprint (with the addition of both A&M and OU who recruits really well there) to South Carolina down to Florida (which really becomes SEC territory with the addition of FSU). Two of the three top states in recruiting and a lot of good ones in between (La., Miss, Ala., Ga. SCar) with the “unmatched level of play” as you say. It will make things tough to remain as successful as we have been in regard to the BCS, but the +1 format could really help with that. Let UT go indy or join the Big 10 and freeze their tails off up in Chicago, Ann Arbor, Columbus, ect. in the mid to late fall—I guess they could go out West and play those left coasters they have so much in common with that a lot of their fans have talked about.
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