Around the SEC This Week
There's nothing like a good cupcake to allow you to watch a lot of other games on a Saturday night even while your team is on. That's not to say that I gave up on the Tigers Saturday, that's not true. But I did find myself flipping back and forth between the USC-Vandy and LSU-WVU games a lot. Face it. They were more interesting. Damn, if Vandy only knew how to catch when they were on offense instead of just defense. I could say that I was scouting for the coming weeks but the truth is I just wasn't interested in watching Auburn go through the motions with a nobody--even if that nobody rolled up more first downs than we did. My three and a half hour investment on the TV wasn't worth it--nor would have been the ten-hour one driving down. There are few games where gas prices trump ticket prices but FAU was one of them.
I'm sure many of you caught most of Alabama-Arky and LSU-WVU. There couldn't have been a more dominant showing by both winning teams anywhere in CFB Saturday. R-Kansas never had a chance. The Tide completely shut down Tyler Wilson, the same kid that relieved Ryan Mallett last year, passing for over 400 yards against us between them. LSU thoroughly dominated the Mountaineers, who probably had something to prove, having been reportedly rebuffed by both the ACC and SEC last week. Boy, that kind of rejection could lead to burning the whole living room and bedroom suits.
The couch-burners rallied late, but LSU quickly stamped out their hopes solidly in the 4th quarter. LSU's offense continues to ring up big yards and points, something I'm completely surprised over. I knew they had the defense, but they look like a complete football team, and I think it fitting that they jumped Oklahoma in the AP poll this week to #1. Screw the conventional wisdom that says you don't punish teams that win, especially relatively early in the season. Oklahoma struggled with SEC suitor Missouri, but it wouldn't have mattered in my book. LSU looked that strong. If you can come up with a credible theory about how the West (and probably SEC) title isn't decided in Tuscaloosa on November 5th, I'd love to hear it. My money would be on LSU at this point, but I still think that Baton Rouge's love affair with Les Miles could still be easily fractured with a mid or late-season melt down. That's how thin I think the facade runs there.
The Coaching HotSeat Bowl this week featured Houston Nutt and Mark Richt facing off in Oxford, with the Dogs pulling the decisive victory. Richt moves on, his seat still warm, but Nutt's troubles continue. I thought that the Rebel Bears might pull out something big for it's second straight inter-divisional match-up after getting blown out by Vandy the week before, but they got nothing. Looks like exit stage west for Nutt later this year and ain't that a good thing? It usually takes most nuts a while to go stale but this one is just tiring. Maybe Ole Miss should solve their mascot issue before they go coach shopping, but they'll probably have at least one done by December.
And just for fun, shouldn't we go ahead and start the false rumors about Tommy Tuberville returning to Ole Miss once Nutt has cracked? It's totally plausible, what with the Big 12 on the verge of collapsing still and whispers of Tubs wanting to return east anywhere from Athens to Miami. Enough time has passed and they've both dated other people, so why not? You know they'd take him back in a second, just like you hooking up with any crazed ex who was good in the sack. At least for a little while, anyway, until you both remember why it ended. If we could only get some sort of song commissioned.
If you thought Auburn looked a little stale this year, you gotta wonder what the Chicken fans are thinking in Columbia. After a near-disaster against Navy and another too-close-for-comfort struggle against Vanderbilt, the Gamecocks are no longer looking like the prohibitive favorite to win the East this season. With Florida looking better and better each passing week, South Carolina continues to look flat. Marcus Lattimore is piling on the yards, but he's getting 2.5 times the workload that Michael Dyer is being given. Stephen Garcia, with all his troubles coming into the season, is not failing to live up to them during it either.
To no one's surprise, it still looks like Spurrier will still call Garcia's number this weekend against Auburn. After Garcia got yanked Saturday for four interceptions, backup Conner Shaw really failed to impress anyone either. Originally, Shaw got the start in their opener against East Carolina, but it's been all Garcia since then. Therein lies the problem for OBC and the Gamecocks. Maybe Garcia's better when he's off the wagon--like a modern-day Ken Stabler. If I was Spurrier, I'd give us a heaping helping of Shaw, who's a runner by nature. Everyone knows we can't stop an option offense, but come to think of SC's efforts against Navy, neither can they.
Between their games against the combined Fleet of the Midshipmen and then the Commodores, the Gamecocks haven't seen anything resembling a passing attack since Aaron Murray and Georgia in week two. I hope Auburn pours both of them on this Saturday. Every pass may have to be a screen with Jadeveon Clowney on the front four. Even as a freshman, he continues to play like a monster. Malzahn played everything close to the vest this weekend--like Spurrier and Company can only go back one week's worth of game film. This match-up, despite both Auburn's defensive and offensive woes, surprisingly looks winnable--if only for the intangibles.
South Carolina will no doubt be out for revenge after last year's drubbing in Atlanta, but that may work against them. We managed to shut down Lattimore twice in 2010, but Alshon Jeffrey destroyed us. He's not looking as good as he did his freshman year but is still a potent weapon provided Garcia doesn't pick our secondary as his favorite target instead of him.The Gamecocks are spoiling for a loss and here's our chance to keep their dry spell against us dating back to the Great Depression alive and well. We'll find out at 2:30 CST on CBS. War Eagle!
PS: Excellent piece by Ivan Maisel about Texas A&M coming to the SEC. This is what we're getting into.
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I worry more about Nutt being fired and Gustav the Mad Scientist of Football taking the Ole Miss job.
Though I honestly suspect we would then immediately call Clemson’s OC and ask him if he would like a raise.
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by AUTigerGSUEagle on Sep 27, 2011 8:15 AM CDT reply actions
I don't see Gus taking the Ole Miss job, if he didn't take Vandy for 3 mil.
Of course, Ole Miss has deeper pockets and a fan base that actually is starting to care about football beyond Grove festivities, so it might be possible. Now, Malzahn to Georgia: that’s what keeps me up at that. That and Clowney this weekend.
by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 27, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
If Gus were to leave
I think we might take a long look at samfords OC. I forgot his name, but if I recall correctly he played under gus in HS and served as a grad assitant under Gus at AU last year and I think a few other stops along the way. If anyone knows Gus’ offense inside and out it would be this guy. Just let him groom for a little while in the lower ranks. This is his first year as OC. Will be interesting to see how he does. Makes me look forward to watching samford game this year because we all know Gus isn’t staying around forever.
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by tigertracker on Sep 27, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
So Georgia won,
but someone had to…that whole game was a mess. I don’t know if Richt is sitting easier today or not. Where are the Georgia peeps when we need them?
by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 27, 2011 8:25 AM CDT reply actions
AND, LSU is better than Alabama.
I realize that this is tenuous and one crazy ass call or bad grass could change all that…but for today, right now, LSU dominates Bama in November.
by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 27, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
UGA fan waiting for the inevitable...
Richt is on life support and his players are stepping up to save him. Even when they look good, USC…they lose and when they win at Ole Miss…they look bad doing it.
Florida looks to be the SEC East leader and I don’t see them losing to USC or UGA.
LSU is the real deal. I thought that losing Jefferson would galvanize them and it has. Lee is a different QB without having to worry about getting yanked for making a mistake.
They SHOULD run the table and hopefully play Boise St for the BCS….embarrass the Broncos badly and then have to wonder how they would have done against a REAL BCS team.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
I agree about Lee playing stress free...
that he is able to just go play is a good thing for him.
If LSU runs the table in the SEC this year, there won’t be any doubt about how they would do against a REAL BCS team, they will have beaten three good ones.
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Tantric Tuesday.....
I going to meditate and chant and hope my vibe reaches Auburn and we see some BIG changes on Saturday.
On defense: I’ve seen enough of our linebackers to say we need an upgrade in size and intensity. Go with your biggest DT’s to fill the middle of the line and use DE’s to make up the rest of the front seven. I want to see more Craig Sanders, LaDarious Owens and maybe Joel Bonnomolo. Darren Bates is definitely faster but I’m not sure Holland, Freeman and the rest are….and they just aren’t getting the job done. Me, I’m mixing it up and using the athleticism we have in ample supply at DE to at least put the clamps on the running game.
On offense: Sticking with the BIG theme here. Get me some LaDarius Phillips….NOW. Opposing defenses are playing us to run on the edges because we aren’t making a push between the tackles. LaDarius can open up some holes with that massive frame and punish linebackers that drop to fill them. You could run Dyer behind him and be ten yards downfield before anyone even saw him. We’ve got to get physical running the ball or we will never be able to get Trotter time to pass the ball downfield. We don’t have Cam anymore, so we need to get back to punishing the middle and taking advantage of man coverage downfield. Stallworth and Reed need to step up to take some heat off of Blake….oh and it wouldn’t hurt to use Lutzenkirchen either, just a thought.
And at this point I will re-iterate my disdain for the spread offense….I hate it, with a passion…unless you have a Tebow or Newton to expose the middle, you don’t excell against the defenses of the SEC. Just my opinion. So if Gus wants to go to Ole Miss….be my guest.
Tubs to Ole Miss? UGA? Miami? Have at him, I say…..but don’t expect more than average. I question his commitment at this point.
Oh and as far as aTm goes? Waaah.
We clawed, punched, and kicked to get out of the biggest shadow in the history of college football. Note to aTm, you have to be tough, resolute and fight like a sumbitch, but it can be done.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Do we have injury updates for Lutzie and OMac??
by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 27, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Lutzie was a definite scratch for ankle last week.
He is expected to return this week.
OMac got his bell rung and is expected to be ready this week as well.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
During the post game interviews...
OMac insisted that he was fine. Officially he’s listed as day to day.
Lutzie has a sore ankle, that got tweeked against Clemson, and should be fine. Still listed as day to day.
One of the things I like about Coach Chizik, he doesn’t like letting out very much information. Some people hate it, especially the press, but in this day and time, you almost have to be secretive about your football team.
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Phillips
I haven’t had the desire or time to REALLY get down and look at game film, but in week one both phillips and lutz whiffed consistently on blocks which is why IMO we have not used them more. Phillips looked scared of contact to me. Maybe we can bring in mike leach to lock him in a closet and piss him off so he’ll start rocking some people. I’m on board with using DEs as “linebackers”. At this point what do we have to lose with 2 DTs and 5 DEs across the line. Run an unorthodox Joe Lee Dunn style D and blitz those DEs randomly and drop others into coverage. We might get scored on quick or we might create some turnovers, but the D wouldn’t be on the field for 15 consecutive plays EVERY drive. I’m happy with our offense and DO NOT miss the Nallsminger days so be careful what you wish for. This team will be fine, but it needs three things IMO. Better blocking, better tackling, and leadership. The first two can be fixed now. The third will be determined by who does the first two the best.
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by tigertracker on Sep 27, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Bonus points for mentioning Joe Lee Dunn.....
one of my favorite DC’s from days gone by……..Put out an APB on him…..where is he now?
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
So, if we need an APB to find him.....
how effective was the whole ‘live by the blitz; die by the blitz’ schemola, again???
by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 27, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
As soon as everyone realizes that they aren't actually playing 'flag football',
it will aaalllll be good. M’kay?
by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 27, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
according to wikipedia
he was last seen in ‘09 as D coordinator at a DIII school with Hal Mumme. Not saying he’s the guy, but I think some ideas could be pulled from what he did.
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by tigertracker on Sep 27, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I was not suggesting that we hire Joe Lee Dunn......
he was a very good DC whose last stint at a major college was at Mississippi State although I think he turned up at Memphis after that. I am still of the opinion that Chizik knows best and if he and Roof saw improvement then so be it. I am not joining any angry mobs just yet…..and will continue to show support for the entire team including all the coaches.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Joe Lee Dunn
….became less and less effective as offensive coaches figured out that officials will not call pick plays very often. Outside receiver runs a slant, inside receiver runs a screen ‘n’ go. It potentially rubs both defenders off. Joe Lee’s press man could not contain it.
…..Dunn and Jackie Sherrill went 10-2 in 1999 with that scheme. By 2000, they lost 4 SEC games. In 2001, they were 2-6, 3-8. In 2002 they went 0-8 in the SEC. Dunn never changed his D, and they were gone. Dunn did a stint after that in Memphis, then was Hal Mumme’s DC at New Mexico State. Mumme is now the head coach at D-III McMurray in Texas, and Dunn is his DC there.
......Drowning in cool elixir.
however....
that was with the recruits MSU could pull. I know, I know…they’re D1 athletes, but I gotta think you pull that scheme with more quality players and get better results
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by tigertracker on Sep 27, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
In all fairness MSU has always pulled good talent on the Defensive side of the ball....
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
About the spread...
You mean the spread that caused alabama to to down to the last minutes against us in 09 or the 08 beat down Utah gave bama. Or how more and more NFL scouts are looking to spread QBs? Or why saban added spread concepts to his playbook after the 08 season. Or how about alabama’s amazing pro offence this year. Steller numbers right?
by tab0017 on Sep 27, 2011 10:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes that spread.
there are aspects of it that are good. If you have the athletes to run it and play against an average defense, it is very potent. Against a good defense not so much. Alabama vs. Utah is a one time deal. Alabama was disappointed to be playing them. I think that if they play that game over 10 times, Bama beats them 8 of ten.
Without a strong physical QB, I despise the spread. I know thats not a popular sentiment , just my opinion.
Watch what LSU does to us, if we run it the way we have. A good defense will dismantle it. They will stuff the line use the gaps to attack. Our linemen are too slow to get to the edge to help block. We will have 10 or more plays where he have a tackles for a loss.
Bama same way.
Gus’ says his system is designed to use the run to set up the downfield pass. He isn’t doing that, he isn’t using Dyer…..he’s dancing on the edge hoping to fool the defense and it isn’t working.
I can understand Lutzie not wanting to block but I haven’t seen Phillips out there except for a handful of plays, he was also out for the Clemson game due to rules violation. I’m going to have to see more of him before I decide that he should be on the bench. I know that the H Back isn’t contributing now though.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this.
Alabama vs. Utah is a one time deal. Alabama was disappointed to be playing them. I think that if they play that game over 10 times, Bama beats them 8 of ten.
That was a damn good Utah team that came ready to play. If they play 10 times, I think Utah wins most of those games.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Sep 27, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for truth
SEC homers (not that I’m going to bag on that too hard) often like to pain mid-majors with incredibly broad strokes. While I’m not accusing the Col. up there of that, specifically, making the “they didn’t want to be there” excuse is just that — an excuse.
I’d agree that Utah would make a good showing if they matched those teams up multiple times. I don’t know if I’d say “most”…but I sure wouldn’t write any of their success against ‘Bama off as the byproduct of an undercoached Saban team (and what is didn’t-show-up-because-they-didn’t-want-to-be-there, if not bad coaching?). I don’t think you could accuse Saban of that.
Thats fair
I just thought it was an anomoly….you can always find one exception.
My bottom line is you rarely see a a spread attack with a smaller QB deal on an exceptional defense.
You got a Tebow, a Newton, a Josh Freeman….hoefully a Kiehl Frazier….sure go ahead…..you have the advantage but once the QB is not a threat to pound the middle you are eventually going to run into somebody fast enouth to take away the edge from you without sacrifining the middle.
Hell, Johnson, #16 for FAU was schooling us with his speed on the outside and shutting our plays down.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
To me, it really doesn’t matter what kind of offensive system you run, as long as you control the line of scrimage. If you do that you will be successful. Last year, we had a line that could do that for the most part. This year we don’t, which is why we see all of Dyer’s big runs bounced to the outside.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Sep 27, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta agree with Col
Even though we know where my loyalty lies. The truth is I think bama half assed it. Its definitely an excuse but I think a valid one though. Florida came out and stole the game from us ( not really obviously ) and they didnt even beat us by as much as Utah did. Now I agree Utah was a very very good team but I dont think that Utah would have been able to beat florida that year at all. So the fact that Bama got beat less by Florida than by Utah… shows me that yeah we did half ass it a bit. I think we would have won 7 of 10 at least of those games.
Also I feel pretty damned confident right now with our D we have versus LSU. That may change but I feel a heck of alot better this year than last.
rtr
please beat SC !
by lastmilefire on Sep 27, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The same can be said about any offence.
Get you some big ol meaty lineman and backers and a decent D backfield and you can shutdown your precious prostyle/power I /whatever you want. There is a reason the spread took over. People learned to defend everything else. Heck look back 30 years ago and the flexbone/wishbone tripple option( heck all derivatives of the T formation) and you’ll find they were great and unstoppable untill one person figured it out, now there are few teams running it. This is just the latest evolution of football and those who don’t change will become irrelevent
by tab0017 on Sep 27, 2011 1:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i whispered last year... and shouted this... Bates should not have been moved to LB. he lost all the momentum of his FR year.
agree with your thoughts on the spread offense. i hate it for other reasons than you…i really don’t like how the D suffers if the O sputters and can’t get the first or second first down of the series. the risk / reward seems is only managable if you can keep the chains moving on 3rd & short… Newton / Tebow.
… so then, if the entire system is so specifically related to personnel… these coaches have got to solve this or this AU is going to continue to get dominated in time of possession and our D is going to have a tough time holding up. I think that the AU coaches will be unleashing Frazier soon.
on the other hand… the spread is almost the kind of system that can overcome inexperience in certain areas. for instance… the use of O-Mac in the screen game is clearly an effort trying to compensate for a young Oline… the wildcat is another effort, but I think they should look more at using CJ Uzomah.
my biggest concern is that we can’t keep FAU from getting pressure and sacks on our QB… and that Trotter really needs to work on throwing the ball away when he needs to. we can’t afford him taking sacks.
remember back last Jan… the undoing of the high octane Oregon spread was inside pressure (Fairley & Co.) interrupting the QB read.
it is important to have Frazier more involved. His run threat and ability to run the option with sincerity is something that we need NOW.
still, in a heartbeat i would trade this syle for a 16 /18 play mean machine & dirty D like we used to have.
you do it and you wipe it up.
Here's this morning's gem from Scarbinksy:
by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 27, 2011 8:45 AM CDT reply actions
Ha! Easy for Saban to say.
When you have depth to burn and you are oversigning and Greyshirting underperformers….you can afford to say..“Learn the scheme or this other 4 star recruit will take your place!!”.
Saban IS brilliant in that aspect. He recruits to dominate with defense and a ground game. Rush and stop the rush, and you win. Playing hide the football and spread the field makes you soft and VERY hard to beat a fast, physical team. (see LSU, BAMA ). Chizik needs to get some dominating LB’s fast becasue thats where the big difference is with LSU and Bama.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Where did you hear that?
Maybe I missed it, but I haven’t heard that yet.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Sep 27, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I know he got pulled after that big hit he took...with a shoulder injury
but there hasn’t been an announcement that I’ve seen. Do you have a link to the story?
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Maybe the rumor is wrong...
Forgive my haste…broken clavicle from what I understand.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
That would make sense
He took a nasty lick.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
DAMN
And go figure that Sparkey would be the bringer of such grim tidings.
Well…we’ll get over it. Blake looks like he’s ready to be a leader on offense, and on the return game, we still have Dr. Tre.
(Awful, yes, but I had to)
If this ends up being true....
then look for Quan Bray to step up.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Not Wrong..............
Andy Bitter, Jay Tate, and others all reporting he’s out at least for the Sakerlina game. He hurt it in Punt Return game against FAU
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as coach troop would say...
he got FLIP-FLAPPED!
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by tigertracker on Sep 27, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Saban's arrogance fits bama perfect...
the assumption that there is one way, his way, that fits all scenarios…and that he would have the slightest clue what is best for Auburn is laughable.
you do it and you wipe it up.
but I still think that Baton Rouge’s love affair with Les Miles could still be easily fractured with a mid or late-season melt down. That’s how thin I think the facade runs there.
I agree. As soon as Saban’s players graduate and Les’s recruits expose him for the goof he really is, LSU fans will turn on Les faster than you can say…WEA needs new material.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
by LSU Jonno on Sep 27, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I'll Be Here All Week!
Now accepting applications for SEC membership.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Sep 27, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
If LSU ever fires The Hat....
we should immediately hire him. The guy has a golden horseshoe embedded in his lower intestinal tract. We go undefeated and don’t even play in the BCS title game. He loses 2 and wins the damn thing. THATS LUCK PERSONIFIED. The rest of the lucky crap is just dressing.
Oh and he recruits like a Mofo.
It will be interesting to see if he has any mercy on us at the end of next month or if he’ll try for the Hundy to Nundy
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Many say Chiz has that same horeshoe stuck in his rear end too.
we all know that even if CFB had a playoff it would still take alot of talent and a fair amount of luck to win the thing.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by tigertracker on Sep 27, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Les has been sitting on that shoe for years now though
Chizik had one year of luck. The Hat redifines the term, as in "You have a golden Hat stuck up your keester! " or “Did you see that pass? That was the most Les Miles play I’ve ever seen!!”
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
What's more likely
Les is luckiest person on the planet, or he knows what he’s doing?
It always takes luck to win the MNC. But Les knows how to play the odds in football, and he knows what his team is capable of.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Don't get me wrong...
He’s a very good coach. He’s been good too long to not be and he’s playing with his own players to boot. But he is very lucky as well, usually because he plays aggressive….and that alwasys helps because it puts the pressuere on the other guy. I love that…play to win.
Good or Lucky, I think Les has the best of both worlds.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Agreed
and I don’t mean to take anything away from Les Miles with that.
I think that when every other factor, from environment, to talent, to schemes, to the other team’s will to destroy you….even when those factors aren’t in his favor, he makes things happen. Some of it’s knowing how to play his roster and schemes like a drum; but when they’re all stacked against you, luck is the wildcard.
I understand though, why LSU fans are hyper-sensitive to the personification of Les Miles as nothing more than “The Hat”…as if every close game can be written off as planets aligning, and some sort of gridiron kismet that only a few are blessed with.
Auburn fans — of ALL groups — should know why LSU fans hate this. And if you don’t know, I humbly recommend you go to RBR and ask them what they think the secret has been to Auburn’s success (omitting the usual responses of having a big payroll).
well said
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Thanks
I made a comment on RBR that led to a shitstorm of Chizik-based hate (not that it takes much to send them careening over the edge into the “foaming at the mouth” category).
Luck, insofar as this rational mind can conceptualize and accept it, is in play.
how in the hell have you not been banned from RBR???
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Because...
I dropped it.
As wrong as their argument was, it’s their house. You’re not going to win.
I did a bit of parrying (okay, and one indirect allusion to Saban as a Munchkin), but ultimately let it go. They weren’t interested in a civil debate.
(Oh, and once one of them rubbed his two brain cells together long enough to start something, he saw my fanshot and claimed I was painting all of RBR with that brush [I wasn’t]).
Actually, given all that, I’m surprised I wasn’t banned. They’re not very tolerant at all over there, which is more than a bit ironic, given their complaints about getting banned from TET.
I said WarEagle!! ...
and got banned. Didn’t even get a chance to argue.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Hey now
I stuck up for you over there
I think ?
I think I said no one over here has ever been disrespectful to me at all. I get some grief from time to time but meh I can deal. I say the more points of view on a topic the better. I love when someone of a rivals team says something as an actual point and not some stupid attack against another fan base ( yes I know they do it … but everyone does )
So come on back ( unfortunately I dont carry much weight over there lol ) for some more good jabs and such lol
rtr
by lastmilefire on Sep 27, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that the shoe is on the other foot with AU fans and Chizik...
Auburn fans — of ALL groups — should know why LSU fans hate this. And if you don’t know, I humbly recommend you go to RBR and ask them what they think the secret has been to Auburn’s success (omitting the usual responses of having a big payroll).
I’ve been waiting for someone to post this on this site…
It’s not so much that I’m sensitive to it anymore. I just assume that people who think Les is lucky have never taken a statistics course and don’t know football. There is too much evidence to support Les knows what he’s doing than to believe otherwise.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
I don't care if folks think we're lucky....
THAT MEANS WE WON!! HAHA!!
And just to get back to my point. Lucky or not, I WOULD DUMP CHIZIK IN A SECOND TO GET MILES. In most quarters thats called a compliment.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
And I haven't taken a stats course
Algebra is enough to frighten and confuse my feeble little mind.
Still, I’d love to see some PhD with too much time on their hands do a small comparative piece on Les Miles versus a few other SEC coaches, with a specific focus on play-calling.
POP QUIZ, HOTSHOT! WHAT DO YOU DO?
Situation: LATE in the fourth quarter, home game against ’Bama, leading 33-29, ball near midfield, third and long.
Traditional logic (which the talking heads in the booth love to regurgitate) says to run the ball because “the clock keeps rolling, even if you don’t get the first down”. They are VERY diligent in reminding you, the viewer that a team absolutely should not pass. Typical call is a draw or some equally fail-worthy play with a microscopic percentage of picking up the first down…because they’ve got eight or nine or ten in the box. Why? Because they know that traditional logic says that you’re going to run the FINEBAUMING ball.
Thinking outside the coaching box? Yeah, you want to keep it in bounds, but there are plenty of relatively safe passing plays that work well against a run-blitzing D, so you use them. Including on that third-and-long.
In the first scenario, you’re essentially conceding, and may as well punt on third down (and given the way most coaches call, they may as well implement an option that docks 1:30 off the clock and spares us watching three worthless runs up the middle that get stuffed).
Think of this tactically: while you may be demonstrating faith in your D to win the game for you, you’re also allowing the other team to dictate your offensive possession. In so many cases, it’s a fait accompli.
By being willing to “gamble” — analyst code for any play that they don’t personally approve of — you’re asserting your will offensively, and continuing to implement YOUR offensive gameplan.
And think about it — we’re talking about third down, for crying out loud…not even the truly dangerous fourth down situations.
Anyway, I took 300 words to flesh out my reasons for really liking Les Miles. It’s more than what he does at LSU — it’s what he represents. If he’s the “Mad Hatter”, then we need a “Mad Jowl” (Chizik), “Mad Midget” (Saban), and “Mad Mama’s Boy” (Dooley).
This never happened
shut up dammit… la la la la la
by lastmilefire on Sep 27, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it didn't
It was a hypothetical.
(but I can appreciate the humor — not even your 24-point lead will be safe*)
(* - statement expires upon beginning of 2011 season, due to defensive concerns)
Miles gets his share of lucky breaks. (Florida bounce pass)
But dude knows what he’s doing most of the time. (Going for it on 4th down 5 times in the UF game in 07)
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
He gets some of both....
Theres the luck from doing something gutsy (stupid??) like throwing a 29yrd TD with no time left when a field goal wins the game. Again aggressive. Pressure on the other guy.
To lucky by getting another chance at Tennessee because they had 12 men on the field when LSU botched that end of the game play last year.
Everybody says it will catch up to him sometime. Well its six years and counting now.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
It's caught up to him plenty...
Ole Miss 2009 ring a bell?
The call to pass in the AU game in 2007 was absolutely the right call. I don’t have time to discuss right now, but from a percentages stand point, it was absolutely the right call. Did the players botch the time management part of it? Probably. But the call was correct.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
AU Pass....
thats the point of it being lucky. You don’t make that call because if anything goes wrong look like an ass for taking the chance when all you have to do is go for the field goal. It wasn;t only the kids who could have screwed up the time but the officials as well. They had a ONE SECOND margin to stop the clock if it had been incomplete. Too many moving parts to take that chance. Absolute wrong call given time remaining.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
And again...
That’s why I love it. He’s not afraid to look square in the face of conventional college football decision-making — which is trending toward the pros, in terms of situational decision-making — and spit in it.
He may consult a chart on when you start to go for two, or when you should go for it on fourth…but if he does, I sure ain’t seeing it.
I not only respect that — but I LOVE it. It’s one reason I’ve fallen out of love with the NFL to a large degree. Case in point: first half of last night’s Skins-Cowboys game. While incompetence and ineptitude had a lot to do with missed opportunities, that was about as bland and safe and NFL-coaches-club-approved style of a game as you could ask for.
(I fell asleep and missed the second half. Never checked the score on the second half, so maybe it’s a bad example. Either way, my point still stands. Down with “punting is winning”!)
LSU’s punter would like a word with you.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Sep 27, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a punter in name only...
Spiritually, he’s more like the rest of the football team, than he is the punter/kicker mold.
If he called that play to win.....
He was insane. I’m sure he meant to “take a shot” at the endzone and assume he would have a couple of seconds left to kick the field goal.
You make that call on Madden, not in real life. If that had fallen incomplete and he had lost that game in overtime, LSU fans would have gone crazy….uh, crazy-er.
Gutsy call? Yes. Bad call? Yes. The Auburn defender had perfect position and he was LUCKY it turned out the way it did.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Then sign me up
for “insanity”, “ballsiness”, “sheer luck” or whatever it is you want to call it.
Tell me it doesn’t make the endgame that much more compelling?
Oh its compelling all right....
As in Lloyd Christmas, “So you’re saying I’ve got a chance!” compelling. But you put that scenario before 100 sober (empahsis on sober) coonasses prior to the game and 95 will say kick the field goal to win, not go for a 29 yard TD pass with a 10% chance of success.
I’ll take fourteen 3-2 wins, if it gets me a National Championship.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
Y'know
It sounds like a no-brainer to agree with what you said about fourteen 3-2 wins.
Then I realized how utterly awful that would be to watch. What good is a championship if the trip there was utterly miserable?
There are deeper issues here. I think Imma’ lay into a Story or post or whatever the hell it turns into.
Sorry, but he got dang lucky a few years back against AU
That pass to bird was perfectly defended and still completed. If I recall had that pass not been caught time would have expired and AU wins that one. That’s not playing the odds. Kicking the FG is playing the odds there. That took some serious sack and lack of brains.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by tigertracker on Sep 27, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
After watching "Less" coach for several years now....
I would say it’s more likely that he’s extremely lucky.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
I know...two dicked dog and all that...
Obviously didn’t take many math classes at Auburn eh Todd?
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Les is more...
I could care less if some call it lucky, or dastardly. Les is the most of whatever it is. That means he’s GOOD.
Come and join me at http://trackemtigers.com
I agree.
If the man were really that lucky, he would have won the lottery at least 5 times by now and coached at Meechigan just for funnsies…..
I considered Les to be wickedly smart-which is the why it is always scary to go up against the Hatter.
by Tiger on the mountain on Sep 28, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually.....
having spent a good portion of my time at AU in Chem E…..yes Jonno I did.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
I'll put it this way Jonno.....
“Less” has come out on the good side of very low percentage calls way too often to not be considered “lucky” and if those calls had gone with the percentages and he failed in those attempts then all you coonasses would have already run him out of town…..and when those percentages do hold true for “Less” that’s exactly what will happen. I don’t put him into the great coach category because he always manages to lose a game that he shouldn’t and I expect this season to be no different. The man did back into a NC but I guess that was his “Mad Hatter” plan.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
They aren't low percentage...That's why they are good calls.
I guess you didn’t do well in statistics?
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Again you would be incorrect.....
So you didn’t think the pass play to Bird in the endzone was a low percentage play as time was running out…especially compared to the field goal? And you don’t think I did well in statistics? That’s pretty funny.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Of course it's a low percentage play.
But the call was to take a shot at the endzone and then kick the field goal. The call was not to take a shot at the endzone and go home if we drop the pass.
That means you can win by completing the pass (We’ll call this percentage “A”) or by kicking the field goal (we’ll call this percentage “B”).
It means you can lose by throwing an interception, or by throwing and incompletion and missing the field goal.
So if you kick the field goal without throwing the pass first, your percentage chance of winning the game is “B” (which in the example of LSU’s kicker was under 50% for the year for that distance). If you decide to throw the pass, and then kick the field goal if you don’t score, your percentage chance of winning the came is “A+B”. As long as “A” is a positive number (and it always will be), “A+B” will always and forever be greater than “B”.
The right call was to kick the field goal after attempting a pass. And if you argue that conventional football wisdom is to kick the field goal without attempting the pass, then that only proves that conventional football wisdom is wrong (if your goal is to maximize your chance at a win) and that more rocket scientists should be advising football coaches on their decision making processes.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
HA
more rocket scientists should be advising football coaches on their decision making processes.
Philadelphia Eagle fans are nodding like bobbleheads. Andy Reid treats timeouts and challenges like he can go cash them in for appetizer at Applebees’ after the game.
If you want to throw some numbers together for me to poke holes in
I would invite you to do so.
I’ll offer to do the same for you if you request it.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
Maybe that's the failure of your "logic"......
you refuse to evaluate the situation and put too much weight in the numbers. Just like the admitted low percentage play in question……what happens if bird bobbles the ball and time runs out instead of having a second or two on the clock…..you act as if the Hats time management is above reproach.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Let me answer that for you...
Miles loses the game and the Corndog nation is in an uproar and Miles is probably run out of town after another time management gaffe……and we subsequently would’nt be having this discussion.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
There are many more ways to lose the game by going for the touchdown.
But the probability of losing goes down.
Numbers don’t lie.
2011 LSU Accolades:
"Imperial Intergalactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo" -Andy Staples
"If Alabama's defense is a boa constrictor, slowly sucking the life out of opposing offenses, LSU's is more like a goon that throws the offense into a burlap sack and starts beating it with a stick." -Matt Hinton
"Oregon’s Chip Kelly is generally considered a coaching mastermind. Miles toyed with him here Saturday night." -Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports
"I don’t want to say that I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson…..but I think Mo Claiborne is faster than Patrick Peterson." -Les Miles
In order to truly say that the numbers don't lie...
you would have to look beyond Less’ numbers and include a large enough sample to truly draw a conclusion based on the statistics of certain decisions…….but then again with my inferior math skills what would I know.
I don't troll so I reserve the right to berate trolls as I see fit.
Just so you know I won't forget.....LSU Jonno predicted we would finish 5th in the west in '11.
Anyone know,
what the guy in the upper right hand corner of the advertisement is doing with that can? I have my suspicions.
by Jumpn_JackFlash on Sep 27, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions
Workaholics
Big stoner show….sometimes can be pretty funny.
They had a show centered around the Insane Clown Posse and the Juggahos….nuff said.
Place, I say, place your bets! Money plays, loser stays! Everyone's a winn - well, not everyone.
Okay, I'll shut up. I'm not one that has to keep talkin'. Some fellas just have to keep their mouths flappin', but not me! I was brought up right, my pa used to tell me "shut up" and I'd shut up! I wouldn't say nothin'! One time, darn-near starved to death -
any AU pals making the trip to SCarolin?... i'll be there for Tailgating only...
couple other AU folks from Memphis joining me.
Looking for a couple of AU fans to watch the game at SCarolin bar with me.
i’ve run outta $ for tickets.
WDE! slister@bewarch.com
you do it and you wipe it up.

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