Multi-Year Scholarships Upheld By NCAA Members

Everybody gather 'round!
Hidden during the fervor of National Signing Day this year was an under curring sentiment from the NCAA and it's members that the newly announced Multi-Year Scholarships presented as an option to institutions might be forcefully overturned by the consent of the governed; i.e. the member institutions. You see, last year the NCAA was pressured by the Justice Department to have it's members at least offer multiple year schollies to student athletes lest they possibly be investigated for anti-trust practices. The Fed seemed to think that one year scholarships may prevent some schools from having a chance at recruiting the best players. The schools? You'd think they'd be looking out for the students, but I'll need to check out the law review on that one.
Some of the member institutions, perhaps resenting the NCAA's swooping mandate, or maybe just really liking one-year deals, decided to see if they could get an over-ride of the rule and last week, that measure was voted on and the over-ride was barely defeated. Auburn voted against the over-ride, Alabama failed to vote at all. And so it goes.
So as it stands, institutions may now offer multi-year scholarships instead of the traditional one-year renewable kind. It's an option. So what? While some may champion this as a win for the student athletes and fairness everywhere, I fail to see where it will change things in a practical sense.
Don't think these players will be entrenched like ticks on a hound dog. I don't care if these kids are on the eight-year college plan, if they screw up, the hidden language in these contracts will be sufficient to force their pre-mature ouster. That way you won't have student-athletes who try to coast through and not earn their way. We can save the debate of why high profile athletes are even getting the option of a multi-year plan. "What about me", cry academic scholarship students who have no such luxury. Yea, let's save that for another day.
So the NCAA now has something to make themselves feel better about the plight of the big-time student athlete, but spare me the magnanimity. If they really wanted to put teeth in it they'd enforce these schollies to the bitter end if kids make their grades and stay out of trouble, with no risk of getting put out if they just didn't measure up on the field or get hurt. I think we all know many will still fall by the wayside in spite of them toeing the straight and narrow. Such are the risks of big-time college football, anyway.
Perhaps the bigger question is why some universities, big and small, didn't want the option of multi-year offers to student athletes. Things were pretty good with the universal one-year trials, but now if you want to stick to that recently outdated model, other schools might be able to compete with your recruiting machines simply by offering a kid more of a guarantee--a 4-year ride. In these parts, that quickly boils down to wondering what will be the next modus operandi employed by Auburn and Alabama.
Raise your hand if you think that Saban and company will try and stick with the one-year scholarships for the interim. Yea, my hand is raised too, and while that seems like the natural inclination for him, it may not end up being the case. The debate between all the coaches and the administrations in the SEC will rage in the next few months and the academics may win out. Appearances are everything, especially for front office guys, but what do they matter for the true clinicians who work behind the scenes to get around them?
Over in west Alabama, Nick Saban could be thinking that if he sticks with his old anachronistic ways, opposing SEC and regional coaches may drive in his coffin nails with it. And for the namesake of the Saban Rules, overcoming most recruiting obstacles is simply second nature, and this new NCAA mandate that shines light onto certain unsavory facets of the recruiting biz is just another open-field tackle to be broken. Saint Nick just may very well embrace the new multi-year options.
Yea, I'm curious how it'll all shake out in the conference in the next few months. It could be a case of follow the leader with all the SEC coaches. Maybe more academically renowned programs like Vanderbilt will definitively offer multiple year scholarships for all athletes and let the other schools do what they will, or maybe each university will simply do best for itself in spite of the ramifications of nationally ranked NSD classes.
All I know is that we have a new wrinkle in recruiting, albeit a temporary one. Like the old joke says, "Now that we are all familiar with the new rules, does anyone have any suggestions for getting around them?" I can hear the conference room now.
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under curring?
An undercurrent of sentiment? perhaps?
Can I volunteer to be the TrackEmTigers copy editor?
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by DKinAU on Feb 21, 2012 1:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
If you get the editor gig
can I suggest banning the use of the psuedo-word “schollie” by any writer?
by OL_Coach on Feb 21, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Geeesh.....
If you guys want to complain, there are some really bad things wrong with our society, and government. A sports blog site is for enjoyment, not a place for the grammatically correct or else crowd.
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Those two...
Seem to really concentrate on some minor stuff. Anyway, they seem as though they like to puff out their chest and seem really intelligent on a SPORTS BLOG. I am so full of myself and my intelligence that I don’t need this site to make me feel smarter. I already know I’m damn smart regardless of the fact that everybody on here thinks I’m an idiot.
Hahaha, KB don’t sweat anything on it. It’s just a blog site on Auburn in February. I didn’t realize the grammar police where out in full swing already.
It's Auburn against the world. Good luck world.
I'm not the grammar police...
Grown men using the term “schollie” is just a pet peeve. it sounds like a word a 6 year old girl would use. Same same with “Arky” when talking about Arkansas.
Actually
the BLOG police, realizing that you have violated your probation by sneaking back on here with a new identity after previously being arrested for trolling and attacking blog contributers, have hauled you off to Airport Blog jail, where you will serve out the rest of your sentence in solitary.
Does anyone else have any remarks about grammar?
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by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 21, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Blog?
This is my all everything for Auburn news and information – al.com, et al are uninteresting. I was just trying to dress up the posts a little bit. I’m not trying to be a Clay Travis type who continually jokes about the your gay vs. you’re gay of Bama fan email screed.
I’ve tried a couple of “FanShots” and have a post in draft form, just waiting for the spare time to work out all the terrible grammar and misspellings.
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Go for it
That’s what the Fan posts are for. Don’t worry about criticism. When they don’t have anything else to say they go for the grammar—usually on their way to exiting stage left.
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by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 21, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
I don’t see them posting any articles or anything other than their comments.
But I am sure their real jobs are ultra important ones too. Hopefully there are no nuclear plants… or heart patients that are depending on them while they are taking the time to notify the rest of us of these grammar mistakes or typos.
I have it on good authority that the earth will continue to spin properly on its axis… even with the gravity of this error.
WDE
"Negative? Hell's bells. I can out drink anyone in the kool-aide department. But I also like to be realistic. Don't you?"
Some coaches
Saban treat their teams like a glorified NFL team. The problem is that it’s still college. This rule helps remind these coaches of that…hopefully….
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by Tiger on the mountain on Feb 21, 2012 8:59 AM CST reply actions
I guess everyone wants to be a critic...
If you are listening (where ever you are) RJ Stiegner… rest in peace. You have left things in the hands of good company… don’t think they are as idiomatically and grammatically as correct as you were… but I guess it is good to know that some defend the English language by the bashing of others.
WEA, speaking for myself, I didn’t know that this was the practice in college athletics. I learned a ton this past signing day. And still there is more yet to learn. I don’t think you fully comprehend what is going on unless you are going through it yourself or perhaps with your child. Hopefully, this is a decision your child makes knowing the facts. Unfortunately for some… I think it’s the last hope they have. And that is what is truly sad.
I definitely noted and made comment about the differences in Auburn’s path as opposed to the one taken by our in-State cousin up the road in west Alabama. And as much as we are different… there in all likelihood would still be some similarities. We can’t seem too hypocritical because while it seems like the right thing to do (and it is by the way); stuff still happens. Nothing is guaranteed.
Kids (and some adults) need to learn this in life. There is no free ride. Everything comes at a cost. And if the ONLY thing you got going in life is your athletic ability… then you truly are taking a huge risk gambling on a yearlong scholarship and a person like Nick Saban. You had better know what you are getting yourself into. Yeah… it’s hard to convince anyone he isn’t successful with three National Championships. The thing to keep in mind is that his success doesn’t necessarily transfer to them. I have wanted to see for some time is of all the people who signed the letters of intent at bama or with Nick Saban… how many graduated? How many are financially stable after college? And while that sounds critical of the man… I simply want to know. Perhaps his ‘process’ is more successful than we are led to believe? The common sense part of me says… no. It can’t be. Of all the people he signs… that some of them you never hear about again. But… this could be true of any college in America.
The thing about the 4 year scholarship is at least if you go to a school that offers them you have the choice to keep your nose clean and follow the rules… you at least can get an education that could potentially help you in life after you graduate.
There a many truths in life… but when it comes to football… we all can’t play in the NFL. We all can’t be the star quarterback. We all can’t make big money in the fast pace world of sports. And there aren’t many people playing professional football after they turn 40. For those that gambled on sports and won… at least for a short while… I hope you saved and invested both your time and money for life after football. The simple fact is that the next 40 years (if you are lucky) are going to be taxing to say the least.
WDE
"Negative? Hell's bells. I can out drink anyone in the kool-aide department. But I also like to be realistic. Don't you?"
" I have wanted to see for some time is of all the people who signed the letters of intent at bama or with Nick Saban… how many graduated?"
To answer that question, at least, look at: http://www.irishsportsdaily.com/football/football-articles/6087-ncaa-release-gsr-data-for-bowl-teams
Gotta be fair to West Vance, they beat us this past year in graduation rates.
What a great link provided for this discussion, thanks....
That Arkansas, and USCe are in the bottom 10 should be used as motivation factor for their respective administrations.
I knew there was an alarming difference in graduation rates between whites and African-Americans, although those numbers are skewed to some degree. There are more African-American(AA) athletes in some schools than others, and a closer look at each school is warranted.
I am not a numbers guy, so I’ll say this with some trepidation, if 80% of your scholarship athletes are AA, and 95% of the walk-on athletes are white, does that skew the results?
Think about the background of most walk-on athletes before you fire off an answer.
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by KoolBell777 on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
It kind of makes one wonder if this is some kind of social experiment being conducted...
whether we want it to be or not.
WDE
"Negative? Hell's bells. I can out drink anyone in the kool-aide department. But I also like to be realistic. Don't you?"
That is a start but it doesn't answer the question... fully.
Thanks for posting it.
The article doesn’t mention bama at all except in the bowl game comparison. And while the APR shows bama besting us by 23 pts…. whatever that means (OVR is only 6 points) I think it goes a lot further when it explains that AU is singled out as the #4 institution for white male athletes who graduate. And that is in the ENTIRE COUNTRY. This was kind of the direction I was going in when we were talking about recruiting players in the first place. Exactly where are these college athletes coming from?
I think there is more here than meets the eye. What a story this would make… (hint hint)
WDE
"Negative? Hell's bells. I can out drink anyone in the kool-aide department. But I also like to be realistic. Don't you?"
Something that’s missing from those stats are how many students left early to go the NFL. Despite the fact that these individuals go on to have positive careers, they still count against our graduation rates. My guess is that we send more AA athletes than white d00ds to the NFL.
And, frankly, until we fix the disparity of the quality of education in predominantly AA communities, these stats are not going to change. Many AA student-athletes don’t have the same academic background that their white counterparts do, hence making college more of a struggle. I don’t see this as being fixable at the post-secondary education level…..
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by Tiger on the mountain on Feb 21, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I think you are correct.
GULP
Again this would make someone a hell of an article.
But I would go one step further… without hopefully being called a racist. I think it is the plight of these family units that are the real state of emergency or the 911 call – forget the education piece. And unfortunately I don’t think there is anyone here that knows how to fix that. I think the US has spent billions on this… or at least claimed that they have (and I have no reason to doubt them)… I think the war on poverty was targeted at this in general. How long have we been waging this?
But until the home is well, you can forget about needing a higher education. Of course, that is just an opinion… and that doesn’t matter what color you are…
WDE
"Negative? Hell's bells. I can out drink anyone in the kool-aide department. But I also like to be realistic. Don't you?"
Agreeing with me AGAIN??!!!
Dude, that’s twice in the last week or so…are you feeling OK??
"We see the door; we're here to knock it down"-Cam Newton
by Tiger on the mountain on Feb 21, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Lord, I don't know...
now that you mention it. I “thought” I felt ok….
I am going to look long and hard in the mirror. I will get back with you on this…
WDE
"Negative? Hell's bells. I can out drink anyone in the kool-aide department. But I also like to be realistic. Don't you?"
I don't see the multi-year
scholarships as being any different in practice than the one year renewable except in one instance. You can’t process a kid like Saban does if he doesn’t “work out” on the field. As long as the kid keeps his nose clean, makes his grades, and wants to stay on the team, he gets a ride. Other than that, failing in school, getting in trouble, or quitting the team, all those things and you lose it just like the one year deal.
Saban is not the only coach to practice this method...
He is however the most successful coach to do so. It will be called another Saban rule, although it really is designed to separate the NCAA from the NFL in it’s practical sense.
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by KoolBell777 on Feb 21, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Lets be practical here, it's actually pretty relative
The big difference in the NFL and NCAA is the age of the athletes and ths size of their mansions. College football players dress nicer, drive nicer cars, and have more spending money than their non scholorship student counterparts. Just like the NFL. There is a very thin line between college football teams and NFL teams.
Now that the statue/altar/shrine is up, is it in Sabans contract that he gets to take it with him when he leaves?
I'd have to see some evidence of this on a national basis....
Before I would agree or disagree with this statement…
College football players dress nicer, drive nicer cars, and have more spending money than their non scholorship student counterparts.
I would want to see some proof of this being true. It sounds too generalist for my taste. I am not trying to start an argument, merely trying to understand your thoughts on this.
Plus, one other factor, that is not mentioned, that clearly would make a huge impact on the percentages in all of our comments. What are the numbers of AA non athletes vs. Whites, and what are the ’s of graduation rates of all that enrolled in a time frame of say 10 years. My basic math skills tell me that if 100 Whites are enrolled, and only 91 graduate, that would equal a 91 graduate rate, as where if 50 AA are enrolled, and only 5 don’t graduate, then the AA graduate rate percentage is 90%, which is lower, even though there were less numbers that didn’t graduate.
Numbers can be misleading, and I am not the one to delve into this. I would like to see the model where we are comparing apples to apples. Then I think we can all make a fair assessment.
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Well, unless you go to...
A-L-A-B-A-M-A that is true.
Escalade U… or bama….
**just kidding. I couldn’t help myself. LOL.
Totally agree with you KB.
WDE
"Negative? Hell's bells. I can out drink anyone in the kool-aide department. But I also like to be realistic. Don't you?"
KB, let me attempt to rephrase that...
College football players dress nicer, drive nicer cars, and have more spending money than their non scholorship student counterparts.
As a subset of the overall university population, it seems that a larger percentage of Football and Basketball athletes drive nice cars than the overall university percentage. While seeing that at LSU (and every other university) I chalk it up to their parents saving money for their college education that then becomes spending money when their child gets an athletic scholarship. I think that is good explanation in some cases. Possibly even most cases.
But there are always those few cases that make you go hmmm.
Alabama fans, ask yourself this question: Is this who you want representing your University and your fanbase?
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I'll expand on this further, Jonno...
Where I live, in the Albertville-Boaz area, is a blue collar, working class area, and the football players, cheerleaders, etc are almost always the kids driving the nice cars. People here are from generations of people who hold athletes to higher social standards and actually believe that it is necessary to uphold that image. I actually know parents who drive beaters to work and buy their kids new cars for their 16th birthday. I raise my eyebrows like everyone else when a kid from a poor neighborhood comes to college in a brand new car, but after seeing people buy their kids cars that are worth 2/3 of their yearly income, I’m less surprised.
I always said that if I’m ever fortunate enough to have a child, I would save for their college, and If they got some sort of full ride, I would let them do with that money what they wished.
They gonna be a lot of days when you lay your guts on the line and you come up empty-handed. They ain't a damn thing you can do about it but go back and lay 'em on the line again, and again, and again....You'll keep fightin' like you did today, you'll keep playin' like that, we can build a foundation we can live a looong, long time on at Auburn." -Pat Dye, 1981
by SandMountainTiger on Feb 22, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
It is a general statement but there have been too many pics
of football players in their snazzy duds and even snazzier rides to make me believe otherwise. I would love to hear from a student at AU or any other SEC school for that matter relating to this. I have been wrong before but I just can’t remember when that was. LOL
Now that the statue/altar/shrine is up, is it in Sabans contract that he gets to take it with him when he leaves?
For a minute I thought that I was reading a bama blog.
- I’ve seen them mentioned countless times and Auburn rarely written.
- Just remember, you wouldn’t have so much resentment if their program wasn’t so strong right now.
4-year
I was lucky enough to receive a 4-year deal from AU back in ‘02. The stipulations on that deal were that I had to maintain a 3.0 throughout and maintain decent progress towards a degree (no schedule filled with underwater basket weaving). I was absolutely thrilled to get that as otherwise I would be paying my own way. As far as resentment towards athletes I don’t remember seeing that whatsoever. I had a friend who was offered the “super-deal” of tuition+room+food+book allowance all for academics, so it is not like such offers are not around. However, you have to look at it from an accounting sense: the school is betting that athletes will bring in more revenue than they are costing, which for football is definitely true on the aggregate. Likewise, the school is betting that by bringing in academics they will eventually donate back to the school and raise the school’s reputation. In the long term both typically work out for the institutions.
Unrelated and sad...
… story about Devonte Neal that typifies today’s recruiting soap operas.
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1334184
- What type of person has the nerve to schedule a press conference at his elementary school? I wouldn’t touch this kid with a 100-ft pole if I was a coach.

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