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Is Auburn Just Another Job For Tuberville?

By Jay Coulter
jccoulter@gmail.com

Can you feel it? A funny thing is starting to happen with Auburn people. Whether it’s on talk radio, blogs, message boards or around the water cooler, Auburn fans are getting sick of the Tommy Tuberville tap dance with University officials.

For weeks now, Auburn fans have lavished praise on the ninth year coach and urged Auburn officials to do what’s necessary to keep him on the Plains. They have pointed fingers at athletic director Jay Jacobs, university president Jay Gogue and others for not moving fast enough.

Meanwhile, Tuberville has said nothing. He’s tried to dismiss the reports of his interest in the Texas A&M job. He says all the talk has had no impact on his team and refuses to acknowledge its role in Saturday’s loss at Georgia.

While fans want a deal done soon, Tuberville shows no interest in negotiating with Auburn until after the Iron Bowl – an opinion held by both sides. These actions are eerily similar to the one’s he took at Ole Miss following the 1998 season.

Outside of success on the field, the thing that most endeared Auburn fans to Shug Jordan and Pat Dye was their love of Auburn. They talked about the Auburn family often.

Both said it was the only job they ever wanted. As a fan, you had the feeling that nothing could lure them away from the Plains. To this day, Dye still lives in the area.

We’ve never really had that feeling with Tuberville. And it’s certainly understandable. What happened during the 2003 season is an unforgivable sin. It was without question, the school’s darkest hour.

Auburn has done its best to make up with a lucrative contract and many extras. And Tuberville has reciprocated, giving the university its finest run of football seasons in its history.

But since that ill-fated trip to Louisville, there’s been something missing. Tuberville has never been able to let his guard down. There are still factions within the university that unbelievably, still don’t accept him.

What Auburn fans want most from Tuberville now is for him to come out and say he’s an Auburn man and that he loves being here and wants to finish his career on the Plains. They don’t want him dodging questions and dismissing the talk.

It reminds everyone far too much of Nick Saban and maybe even the Tuberville from back in 1998.

Perhaps more than Dye, Tuberville is the fan’s coach. After all, it was the everyday fan that rose up after Jet Gate and demanded that he be retained and treated right. It’s been the fan that has demanded that he be given what he’s asked for in a new contract.

All Auburn fans want now is for a little acknowledgement from Tuberville. Stand up and say you’re an Auburn man. Stand up and say that you can’t imagine coaching anywhere else but Auburn. Tell everyone how much you love Auburn.

The question is, does Tuberville view Auburn as something more than a job. Is it really in his blood? Has he really gotten over the way he was treated four seasons ago?

Tuberville is the best fit for Auburn. You can’t realistically ask a coach to do more with a program than he has over the last decade. He’s poured all his time and energy into making it a consistent winner.

The real question is whether his heart is in it – or is it just another job?

Note: Phillip Marshall of The Huntsville Times writes a great story today on this subject. Click here to read.

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So what do you want from him then??

First and foremost, this is not Saban like!!!  Saban adamantly denied interest in the UA job only to take it later.  Tuberville isn't saying anything.  His Ole Miss comments are Saban like.  (On a side note though do you blame Saban or Ole Miss Tubby?  If I was offered the Auburn job while at Ole Miss I would have left as fast as he did too.  And the $32 million guaranteed that Saban was offered.  That is a no brainer too; especially if I wasn't happy in the NFL.  True, Saban could have handled that better but that is Saban like.  Besides until we walk in Saban's shoes we shouldn't judge.  For crying out loud he had just lost to Detroit, if memory serves, what does the UA vacancy have to do with losing to Detroit? He was obviously caught off guard with those questions so cut the guy a break there!)  Anyways as far as Tuberville’s Mums, that shows his class.  Keep in mind the TAMU position isn't even vacant, albeit yet.  But none the less Franchione is still the head coach.  Any comments from Tubby for or against would be classless!  And Tuberville is the epitome of CLASS.

But back to my point what do you want from him??  If he says he is staying then things happen (IE the admin insults him with an offer) where he has no option but to leave he will have let down his players and all the fans.  Furthermore if he says he is staying then he loses bargaining power to get his assistants raises, facility upgrades and himself a raise.  Like it or not CFB is a business and while he needs to be emotionally invested in the program he has to treat it as a business/job too.  And I am assuming you have bargained before.  What business sense is it to say you will take the job regardless of any offer?  That only invites a cheap offer.  Furthermore Gogue is not going to talk with Tuberville and Jacobs until after the season is over regardless so what does commenting three weeks early accomplish other than shooting your self in the foot?

On the other hand if he were to come out and say that he is leaving.  I am not even going to comment on that!!!

As he said in his press conference last week, anything he says will get twisted, flipped and flopped around.  Look how much everybody including you is twisting silence.  Just imagine if there were words to do it to.  That is firing an unloaded gun compared to firing a loaded gun.  One goes click the other goes BOOM!!!

Lastly with regards to CFB being a business, admittedly it probably wouldn't ever happen but to play the devils advocate, if Spurrier or Meyer went to Jacobs and Gogue tomorrow and said give us a 10 year $10 Million contract and we will leave USC or UF to come here they wouldn't say Mr. Tuberville, here is your $6 Million since they would save money and bring in a National Champion at the same time.

So what do you want from him??  Be patient.......we are not Alabama, land of impatience!!!

-War Eagle

by WDE on Nov 13, 2007 10:12 PM CST reply actions  

Spurrior or Meyer?

You would consider Meyer anywhere in the same league as Spurrior in coaching?  I personally think Meyer is a crappy coach, look at what has happened to his team this season.  I don't see youth being an issue in his case, especially considering the recruiting they have had the past two seasons.

by Mattco on Nov 14, 2007 5:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Reply to WDE

WDE,

I think you did a great job expressing your point of view, but I don't agree.  CFB is a business, but it is also a hugely emotional event that affects lots and lots of people.  If TT's motive is to either take the new job, or drive his stock up as high as possible, then he is doing exactly what he needs to do.  If his motive is to do what's right for Auburn (and sorry, but I think that's his obligation) then I believe he should state his intention.  If nothing else, he would be taking the high road, and certainly his job history journey to this point, both due to internal and external influences, has not been the highest of roads.  

But, I would suppose that remaining silent is stating his intention, to some degree or another.

by UglyJoeinPC on Nov 14, 2007 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

He does have AU's best interest in mind

UglyJoeinPC,

Thank you for your compliment and you too make some good points that are well supported but I have to disagree.  You are right, there are a lot of people (everyone including yourself and me who pay any attention to the sport and AU Football) who are affected by this.  As if you are not involved with the team then you are a fan who buys the tickets to the games and the products that Tuberville endorses, or an athlete in another sport at AU or any football school that benefits from the gate and other contributions that football brings in.  So yes A LOT of people are affected.  To your point about Auburn’s best interests I agree with you it is his obligation but I think he has Auburn’s best interests in mind on a number of fronts.  First and foremost the players and his staff; he appreciates them and wants the best for him.  He knows that he is nobody without them.  So by not saying "I am staying here regardless" he is giving himself as much power as possible to bargain better deals for them.  This in turn helps the program in the future as the new facilities benefit the School in the long term as does the coaches’ happiness.  And again, I have to mention that when bargaining you do not profess your love and commitment regardless because you only sell your intentions and self short.  And as I mentioned before he also wants a bigger extension than what he got in ’04.  But who wouldn’t? I know if another company came and offered me the same work I am doing now for 30% more I would bargain for raise from my current employer.  I think almost everyone would.

The other way that I believe he has the best interest of the School and program in mind is if something does happen and he has no option but to leave, true he does save his own face, but also then the University and the program doesn’t get another black eye by having image of running off the fourth most successful CFB coach in the last 4 years after he had professed his love for the school and desire to stay.  On that front he is anything but selfish!!!

Last but not least, what is the ultimate goal throughout the year?  To win and be successful!  Albeit that wasn’t the case last weekend but that is CFB this year.  Were the TAMU discussions/rumors a cause?  We will never know, but he stated that they weren’t and we don’t have any proof to say that they were, so we have no choice but to take his word.  And while 45 points was embarrassing and upsetting, that is the first and only time since he has been at AU that that has happened so it is obviously isolated, once in nine years is nothing short of impressive.  But that is CFB, this year alone UT beat UGA 35-14, UGA beat UF 42-30, UF beat S Car 51-31 and UT 59-20, S Car beat UGA 16-12 and UT beat S Car 27-24.  It happens.  But back to my point, the ultimate goal is to win and to do that in the SEC it takes 110% focus and concentration 24/7.  So when he says no comment lets give the guy some credit for dedicating all of his attention to the season and not to rumors about jobs that aren’t even open (yet).

by WDE on Nov 14, 2007 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Asking too much...

I think that the combination of the TAMU talks (which, by the way, here in Texas are MUCH quieter than back home) and the painful loss in Athens has my fellow Auburn fans overreacting and unfairly judging Coach Tubs' silence.  

The state of modern coaching has put him in a completely untenable position- no matter what he does, he's wrong.  If he tells the truth- that he will listen to other offers out of fairness to himself and then negotiate a better Auburn contract in the end- then he's a bloodthirsty opportunist out to bleed Auburn dry.  He's a poor leader because he's left his players in a state of limbo and recruiting is damaged due to perceived instability.

If he comes out now and says "I'm here forever no matter what" than he is resigning himself and his staff to pay that is less than they are worth again making him a poor leader for not taking care of one of the best coaching staffs in football.  

Also, in expecting Tubs to "do the right thing" and put an end to the speculation we are asking him to do something that no right thinking individual would- trust an administration and Board of Trustees that tried to covertly fire him four years ago.  Fool him once- shame on you.  Fool him twice- shame on him.  Some in the Auburn Nation are asking Coach T, the suboordinate in this case, to do that which his superiors (President Gogue and AD Jacobs) seem incapable of themselves- make a commitment.  That is poor leadership on their part.  

To me the answer to this is simple.  President Gogue should sit down with Tuberville THIS WEEK over lunch and make a commitment.  He should be honest and tell Tuberville that he wants to give him a raise that would make his pay commensurate to Saban's and do what is necessary to secure the rest of the staff.  This does not need to be a full-on negotiation.  That would involve lawyers, the Trustees, and far too much time with the Iron Bowl only 10 days away.  This gives Tuberville the confidence he needs to come out early next week and tell the team, the media, and the world that he's staying.  The Auburn Nation can breathe a sigh of relief.  The Bama Nation can buy another bottle of Rolaids.  We can by thankful on Turkey Day and then beat the Tide again on Saturday night.

War Eagle!

by tigerhorn on Nov 14, 2007 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

Nervous

Jay, It has that same eerie feeling. Something is amiss. I am not sure where it's coming from, but I believe its coming out of the Head Coach's office. I am thinking that he may be done. I have a Love/Hate feeling for Tubs. I have never made a secret of that; however, his inability to diffuse the rumors and the poor performance last Saturday, lead me to believe that he is on his way out...

by ArieGold on Nov 14, 2007 1:58 PM CST reply actions  

It's not the tapdance

Jay,

I am all the way out in California and my San Diego Auburn group is in sync. It's not the tapdance, I understand that's buusiness, we just want to know about next season since this one is pretty much over. I want a feeling that we will be contenders with all of our talent next season and we want to know who will be leading us. I would really like to see someone in the coaching position that is fired up about Auburn and has a deep desire to bring home a Championship. I wish I still lived in Bama to hold a "Muschamp '08" sign... Oh well...

Justin A. Schreurs

by jschreurs on Nov 14, 2007 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

Quit worrying your pretty little heads...

Stop reading too much into the innuendo and lack of comments to mean something it doesn't.  It is not unreasonable for any parties to refuse to discuss it until the season is over!! Don't think that by inaction now that it's going to end badly.

Look at it logically:  the only possible trump to him staying at Auburn would be money--and money ain't always the trump suit in this card game.

Tuberville has earned the right for the administration at Auburn to twist in the wind a bit.  Grant him that latitude.

I took a peak over at the ATM SB blog.  Here's how they're polling on who they want as their next coach:

Who will be the next Head Coach of the Texas Aggie Football Team?
• Art Briles 7%  
• Butch Davis 12%  
• Chris Peterson 7%  
• Mike Riley 0%  
• Mike Sherman 7%  
• Steve Spurrier 12%  
• Kevin Sumlin 10%  
• Jeff Tedford 2%  
Tommy Tuberville 25%  
Other - (name in comments) 15%  

Tuberville has a slight lead over OTHER, who's only slightly edging Spurrier.  Spurrier to ATM?  Now that's funny.

In the meantime guys, don't panic.  Let's all regroup after this Georgia loss and get on track for Bama.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 14, 2007 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

Here's how it will play out...

Don't ask me how I know - I just know.  Borges will be leaving along with Coach Knox.  It will be peaceful but they will pursue their careers elsewhere.  Tubberville stays and uses the TAMU offers as leverage for raises for his assistants.  Muschamp will be slapped on the wrist and told to quit 'tanking' the UGA games or else.  The bigger question is who will TT get to run his powerful offense next year.  Suggestions anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller?

by tigerstripe on Nov 15, 2007 5:44 AM CST reply actions  

Oh for christ sake.......

Borges is likely not going anywhere and I would be surprised if any other heads roll. The only way Tuberville leaves is if AU refuses to come close to his wish list and that unfortunately will depend largely on yes you guessed it the board of trustees which is still controlled by that imp Lowder. As far as A&M's fan wish list goes, War Eagle Atlanta, it is just that "the fans wish list" and I doubt the percentages reflect the wishes of the Tacky Ass Oil Baron boosters and Trustees who will be the decision makers. Coaches today are under a microscope for their actions and words. That is, unfortunately, largely due to people like us who create the demand for constant feeding of information so the media supplies it. If Tuberville says he's not interested and takes the job he's a liar, if he says he wants to talk to A&M then he's not an "Auburn Man", if he does what he is doing, which by the way is the only thing he could do with out losing bargaining power with AU or flat out lying, then he is being "Coy" and something is fishy. People the only thing on our minds right now should be holding up another finger so the Bammers can get a good case of the red ass for another year. That is the only thing that matters (at least to me) until November 25th, then and only then should the talk about Tubby staying or going take center stage. Talking about it before that date is just another possible source of distraction for our program.

by Todd92 on Nov 15, 2007 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

Wish List

Yea, Todd, I just threw that in there for kicks.  If there's anyone else less informed than Auburn fans right now, it's Aggie fans.  Besides, they only regurgitate what they're fed by the media.  
Again, just like us.

Acid Reign:  The cough years!  You kill me.  Ok, I know about the coughing, but to what larger issue are you alluding with that?

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 15, 2007 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

That's good, tigerstripe!

.....The only thing missing from that reality is Tubs luring Norm Chow away from the NFL, to run our offense!

.....Honestly, I've been down on the Borges offense for the past two years, but you do have to look at certain realities. All that shifting and motion looks stupid when it produces very little. When it works, Borges is a genius. Facts are, we don't have the playmakers in the receiver corps, or the arm to get it there, for the past two years. Until that changes, no coordinator is going to do terribly well.

.....If Tuberville is tired of Auburn, or of coaching,  or both! If he's getting into his "cough" years, like later Dye, then he should take the money and go. He may well be setting this up. We'll get someone exciting in. Gogue didn't do so badly at Houston, getting Art Briles...

.....If Tub is staying, it behooves the Auburn family for it to be resolved. I think the parties involved should be able to work it out this week, and not have the whole question looming interminably. That it's NOT being resolved is a sign that something's not right with folks' priorities, either Tuberville's, or someone in the administration. I don't like it. The last thing we need to do is waste a recruiting year over uncertainty. We lost one commit this week, fortunately only a 3-star...

by Acid Reign on Nov 15, 2007 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

Just Talk?

All I keep hearing is that Auburn needs to renegotiate his contract. I actually agree with Finebaum on this. He is in the middle of a contract-meaning he is under contract. There is NO need to renegotiate now. If he's using this TAMU thing for leverage, it's going to blow up in his face. He is either an Auburn man or he is not. He cannot toe this line. I am insulted that he has not said anything yet! Now is the time for doing and saying something. The mere fact that he has not solidifies the fact that he is leaving at the end of the year. From what I hear from my sources, he's out already....Quit living in denial!

by ArieGold on Nov 15, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

A little Robitussin Review.

.....The theory was that Dye was seriously ill, from about 1986, onward, and that it directly affected recruiting.

.....The "cough" years, running back: We went from getting guys like Bo Jackson, Colis Campbell, Brent Fullwood, Tommie Agee and Brent Fullwood, to slower, non-game-breaking backs. James Joseph, Stacy Danley, Alex Strong. In 1991, it had gotten to the point that a walk-on noseguard (Joe Frazier) was the starting TB.

.....The "cough" years, wide receiver: We went from getting guys like Freddy Weygand, Trey Gainous, Lawyer Tillman, Duke Donaldson, Scott Bolton, Greg Taylor, and Alexander Wright to slower/smaller and/or brick-hands guys. Herbert Casey, Dale Overton, Shane Wasden, Orlando Parker.

.....The "cough" years, defensive line: We went from folks like Doug Smith, Gerald Robinson, Donnie Humphrey, Benji Roland, the Rocker brothers (Tracy and David), and AND many more great linemen, to more average types. Starting in 1989, we were getting manhandled up front on a regular basis, by the better SEC teams.

.....Analysis: Starting around 1989-1990, we were no longer able to throttle a strong running game, or rush the passer, without "blitzing" (Which is a four-letter word, to Wayne Hall!). And, our offense went in the toilet after Greg Taylor, the last reliable Dye receiver, graduated. We had, since 1987, been a 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust running team; and lived off big plays in the passing game. When we could no longer get open/catch, things got bad. 9 points against Southern Miss. 7 points against Mississippi State. 10 and 9 points against the Gators. 6 and 0 points against Bama. You get the idea.

.....Tub is looking worn, this year, and he does have that ongoing neck ailment. I see little evidence that his recruiting is going badly, though, other than this year's pre-signing-day list. And typically, signing day surprises have been where Tuberville surprises everyone, and does better than expected. Still, if recruiting is to suffer due to health issues... Just sayin'.

by Acid Reign on Nov 15, 2007 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

Acid Reign, Arie Gold

I think that I recall us sitting around Sunday evening watching The Auburn Football Review and everyone having to take a drink when Dye coughed.  Great way to get sloshed on a Sunday.  Sometimes it would be hard to make it through the 30 minute program.

Arie Gold:  Well, now that we've got the whole Tuberville thing out of the way, can you possibly tell me what long-term interest rates are going to continue to do for the next few quarters--will Bernanke continue to chop them in order to shore up this subprime lending mess or what?  What are your sources telling you on that?  And while you're at it, ask Deepthroat if the market is going to continue to slide as well as if the dollar is going to continue to crumble.  I've got to hedge myself somewhat and it would be nice to know...

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 15, 2007 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Union

I am totally against the the idea of the North American Union. The dollar is in a sharp decline. Hopefully, Interest rate cuts, and slowing of inflation may alleviate some of the tension for the short term. Anyways, I have it on good authority. I think that when it either happens or doesn't you should insult me....Until then.....War Eagle Brother! We're on the same side~!

by ArieGold on Nov 15, 2007 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Arie,

You should forgive me for this, but I don't believe that anyone who posts on here, myself included, really knows anything substantial about anything with Tubs' decision.

If we did, we probably wouldn't be sharing it.

by War Eagle Atlanta on Nov 16, 2007 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally off topic,

.....And probably a total lack of political/economic understanding by an Auburn engineer, but... The dollar's going to keep going down for a while. We are financing not one, but TWO! TWO land wars in Asia! (None other than the legendary General Douglas MacArthur, perhaps the greatest military commander of the 20th century, once was reputed to have told President Kennedy, in 1961, "never get involved in a land war in Asia.")

.....How is this being financed? On worthless paper and credit, while crises of energy, global warming and healthcare loom. Once, the Republican party was the focus of less government, of fiscal responsibility. And now they print money, just like the 1970s Democrats. These are invisible levied taxes, falsely attributed to consumer greed, as prices rise. But these dollars spent are not checks to the masses, no. Not this time. Both eras of fiscal policy are folly. But which is evil?

.....And so, research your oil companies and defense contractors carefully, if you have funds to invest, and want them to survive the current times intact. Yep, these are cold and calculating times, if you want easy money...

.....I've got Auburn by five, but, as usual, no money on it. I'd rather watch, either bounce off the walls and go nuts, or drink 30 shots and shoot up a late-night Megaman X Game. Sunday the 25th, I'll wake up and have a great day with my family, regardless. I'd rather bet on Movie Gallery pulling it out. At least that way, I'd KNOW I was throwing money away...

by Acid Reign on Nov 16, 2007 12:16 AM CST reply actions  

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